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Title: New interview with Van Dyke
Post by: JRauch on March 03, 2006, 08:57:39 AM
Just discovered this interview:

http://www.bandoppler.com/0306_F_Van_Parks.htm


P.S. I liked his comment about Mike Love :-)


Title: Re: New interview with Van Dyke
Post by: endofposts on March 03, 2006, 06:05:39 PM
Fabulous!  I love that man.  An oasis of sanity.  It's good to hear that he's talking with Brian, and hopefully working with him. 

Happy birthday to him, too, whatever day that was.


Title: Re: New interview with Van Dyke
Post by: Reverend Joshua Sloane on March 03, 2006, 09:42:24 PM
I like him a lot but I get the slightest sense sometimes that he can be a bit stuck up. I wonder if this is why Brian Wilson way back when asserted his power slightly over Van Dyke.


Title: Re: New interview with Van Dyke
Post by: JRauch on March 04, 2006, 03:26:48 AM
!!!WAIT A MINUTE!!!

Ok, Brian took a break from touring to write new songs. And he called Van Dyke to suggest some writing together. PLEASE GOD, LET IT BE TRUE!!!


P.S. I only needed about one day to see this connection.  :-[


Title: Re: New interview with Van Dyke
Post by: Reverend Joshua Sloane on March 04, 2006, 08:03:28 AM
Hopefully it'll be more of Brian Wilson's musical idea's coupled with Van Dyke's words. I like Van's music but I greatly prefer what Brian could do while sleeping.


Title: Re: New interview with Van Dyke
Post by: the captain on March 04, 2006, 08:08:52 AM
I'm guessing you're both dreaming. VDP is releasing a VDP album. Brian is taking naps. That's my guess on their activities this past year.

(Brian did say recently he wasn't going to work with VDP anymore...not that I put much stock in what he says in interviews.)


Title: Re: New interview with Van Dyke
Post by: endofposts on March 04, 2006, 09:32:40 AM
Van Dyke doesn't seem stuck up, just intelligent in a way that can seem pretentious.  But it's not pretentious, it's just Van Dyke.  Having seen his charming performance as a child actor in "The Swan," I'm sure he was just like that as a child.  He's a precocious child in the body of an older man.  I guess it's a matter of taste.  I'm sure he has put off a few people in his time, and probably doesn't care. 

I get the sense that he and Brian have had some difficulties through the years, but have always been close, closer than they sometimes like to let on (such as Van Dyke claiming that he had no contact with Brian in the '70s other than writing SOS together, yet everyone says they hung out together a great deal).  I hope they keep in touch just for their own sakes, and if they write something nice together and get it done, that's just a bonus.


Title: Re: New interview with Van Dyke
Post by: cabinessence on March 04, 2006, 01:26:34 PM
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He's a precocious child in the body of an older man.

Nicely put!


Title: Re: New interview with Van Dyke
Post by: Charles LePage @ ComicList on March 04, 2006, 01:38:48 PM
Perhaps that's why he and Brian work so well together.  Two adult children.


Title: Re: New interview with Van Dyke
Post by: Rerun on March 04, 2006, 01:50:06 PM
What was with his feeling sad about people not believing in evolution like its without holes?  Stuff like that is pretentious, where he hurts for the ignorant around him who have different beliefs.


Title: Re: New interview with Van Dyke
Post by: the captain on March 04, 2006, 03:22:55 PM
I don't think he meant that we all have to believe an identical thing. I believe his intent was more to say that for any one particulart (limited) belief ought not be passed through as legislated policy. Science is what ought be taught as hypothesis/theory/fact. Religion ought be taught as philosophy.

Religion is, after all, at its core, unproveable. And please be clear, I don't intend that as an insult or a challenge. It just is. It is dependent on faith. That isn't what ought to be taught as factual in public schools.

(Charles, I hope that post wasn't inappropriate. If so, delete at your discretion.)


Title: Re: New interview with Van Dyke
Post by: Reverend Joshua Sloane on March 04, 2006, 03:36:27 PM
That was very appropriate.  :P

I don't think we need to be walking on our tip-toes guys.


Title: Re: New interview with Van Dyke
Post by: Charles LePage @ ComicList on March 04, 2006, 03:46:05 PM
No, that wasn't inappropriate.

I would disagree an the unprovable nature of spirituality, and also that facts do not require faith, but that's a discussion for a different place and time.


Title: Re: New interview with Van Dyke
Post by: the captain on March 04, 2006, 04:34:46 PM
Fair enough. And regardless, I'm excited for CDP's new album.


Title: Re: New interview with Van Dyke
Post by: Rerun on March 04, 2006, 06:35:14 PM
I don't think he meant that we all have to believe an identical thing. I believe his intent was more to say that for any one particulart (limited) belief ought not be passed through as legislated policy. Science is what ought be taught as hypothesis/theory/fact. Religion ought be taught as philosophy.

Religion is, after all, at its core, unproveable. And please be clear, I don't intend that as an insult or a challenge. It just is. It is dependent on faith. That isn't what ought to be taught as factual in public schools.

(Charles, I hope that post wasn't inappropriate. If so, delete at your discretion.)

Evolution is unprovable as well though.  See: lack of transitional fossils.


Title: Re: New interview with Van Dyke
Post by: the captain on March 04, 2006, 06:43:03 PM
I'm not arguing. My only point was to the method of how one goes about proving one's opinions.


Title: Re: New interview with Van Dyke
Post by: Rerun on March 04, 2006, 06:47:10 PM
I'm not arguing. My only point was to the method of how one goes about proving one's opinions.

I understand.  I didn't want to turn this into a debate on creationism/evolution.  I just thought that statement by VDP was uncalled for in its absolutism, especially when evolution is indeed a theory, not a "theory."


Title: Re: New interview with Van Dyke
Post by: the captain on March 04, 2006, 07:05:30 PM
Anyway...VDP's album...


Title: Re: New interview with Van Dyke
Post by: matt 1234 on March 10, 2006, 09:47:00 AM
yay god rules!


Title: Re: New interview with Van Dyke
Post by: matt 1234 on March 10, 2006, 09:50:16 AM
Sorry, but to me this is one of the scariest things facing our country, the mass retardation of our people into not accepting science anymore.  Its gotta scare someone else come on.


Title: Re: New interview with Van Dyke
Post by: b.dfzo on March 10, 2006, 10:33:06 AM
Sorry, but to me this is one of the scariest things facing our country, the mass retardation of our people into not accepting science anymore.  Its gotta scare someone else come on.

When I was in school, what always made me feel deluded was how much religion, spirituality and generally people's beliefs were deemphasized in the curriculum, squashing students into the school's rigid, compulsory system: what we teach is the only way to believe, no matter what ideas you have that are different.  But, to balance this out, I do remember one time when everyone gathered in the gym at school to watch a Christian puppet show...the highlight of it being an old man playing the trumpet, with the help of an yellow bird puppet on his left hand.  Needless to say, I felt like I was in prison!  But, then, that's why I dropped out out of school (I did graduate high school via testing) so I could really start learning!


Title: Re: New interview with Van Dyke
Post by: JRauch on March 10, 2006, 11:56:28 AM
"...the highlight of it being an old man playing the trumpet, with the help of an yellow bird puppet on his left hand."


 :3d Well, I would actually pay to see that. But then, I´m a weird guy.


Title: Re: New interview with Van Dyke
Post by: b.dfzo on March 10, 2006, 08:05:42 PM
"...the highlight of it being an old man playing the trumpet, with the help of an yellow bird puppet on his left hand."


 :3d Well, I would actually pay to see that. But then, I´m a weird guy.

You had to be there.  There we are, all sitting on the hard floor, either crosslegged, slumped, whatever.  I remember saying something to the effect that I wanted to leave (I just felt really uncomfortable, in a few ways) but a girl in front of me turned like a whipcrack and said, "You mean you don't believe in 'Gawd'?"  I didn't want to get in trouble, so I just kept quiet.  (I was tempted to say, "I believe God exists...I just don't believe in your 'Gawd'."  But I wasn't that forthright at 10 years old.  Oh, if only I had been the fat kid that got to sit in a chair next to our teacher...or maybe it was because he was Jewish.  No, he was just really, really fat.