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http://albumsthatneverwere.blogspot.com/2013/10/the-beach-boys-landlocked.html

Here is my reconstruction of Landlocked.  No surprises really, it's pretty much the tracklist that has come to be associated with the title "Landlocked" (please spare me, it's discussed in the second paragraph).  So I think most of you guys here have heard it before, but here's some things of interest:
- my own remasters of Loop De Loop (original version), Carnival, Big Sur (original version), Good Time and When Girls Get Together.  In my opinion, I think I did a better job than Dumb Angel; they did a good job clearing out the "mud" of the mix, but their remasters sounded lifeless.  I tried to revamp that by adding some low end and some highs.  To my ears, they sound crisp and full of life!  They are also sourced from true lossless, not lossy-sourced remasters. 
- the 2009 remix of Fallin In Love has been re-edited to follow the structure of the original 1970 version.
- Best sources of stuff used.

OK there you go.  Not sure what else to say, except enjoy! 

Thank you very much ! I've been meaning to tell you how much I enjoy your blog and have it on my list of favorites.

You are the man for doing this! Love ya Sonic!

I haven't heard this yet, but thank you!  I love all your other work.  :)

soniclovenoize this mix is amazing man. I'm friggin thankful there are fans like you who take the time do put albums together like this. Your mixes of 'Good Time' and 'Big Sur' are mindblowing!

Great job man. Only complaint are that the drop outs in Big Sur, Loop de Loop and When Girls Get Together are still there. Great sound quality though. Carnival in particular sounds as clean as ever.

Ughhh.... I want this so bad but I don't want to risk downloading from that sketchy website. I have had so many virus problems in the past.

Ha! What a great birthday treat. Thanks sonic!

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Been waiting for this! Thank you!

Is the download link safe? I want this so bad but I'm paranoid about viruses.

Speaking from experience, you can trust the downloads.

Another first-rate job. It's almost like getting a new BB album for Christmas. Keep 'em comin'!

Worked fine for me.

Wow, thanks guys for the compliments, I really appreciate it.  :)

Zippyshare is legit.  Just be sure to type in the captcha in the upper-right hand corner and click DOWNLOAD NOW.  Don't click anything else, ignore pop ups. 

Ah yes, good observation.  I left those in because I thought they added to the charm of the recordings, and personally those few drop-outs never detracted me, personally, from enjoying the songs.  It might be though that I am bias towards analog recordings in this modern age and welcome tape imperfections... 

They are a tough fix though.  I'd have to patch them in from another equivalent part of the song, and off the top of my head, it might not be able to come out smoothly.  I know Dumb Angel was able to sample a different part of Life is for The Living to cover the drop out in the beginning, but I didn't quite like the sound of it and so I left the drop out in, you know? 

Thanks for that. Will download my first Beach Boys bootleg.  8)

Ah, fantastic. Thanks so much for this!

Really looking forward to your Adult/Child reconstruction  :3d

Just listened through the whole thing.
GREAT JOB, it's really fantastic.


I hadn't heard 4/4 Big Sur...and oh my god! I've been missing out.

OMG ADULT CHILD!!!!!!!!!!! YESZSZSZSZ

Downloading it right now. I'm sure it's fantastic! :)

  Please try your hand at 15 big ones-15 oldies and its companion album of new songs by Brian and the other members.

Got some weird panning stuff going on with "Big Sur" that wasn't on the original Landlocked boot. And it's good that you used the original "Fallin' In Love" from the boot instead of the released version. True to form.

If there was ONE song that I thought shoulda been on the MIC box, it was Big Sur 4/4. Kinda unbelievable that it wasn't.

Yeah seriously it's sooooo much better than the Holland version. I honestly find the track, like most of the Holland album, very bland.

Eh, total waste of time.

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As in, a waste of two minutes waiting for the download to finish. I wish I could have listened to it sooner!  :lol

Keep up the awesome work, man!

I'm still wondering just what he will accomplish with Adult/Child...I mean, you can do pitch correction and a few of the tracks have some decent source material out there....but we're still talking about an album that's only half available on bootlegs sourced from really muddy sounding tapes.

Hi Mikie,

Just to clarify, it's not actually the original booted/Desper stereo mix of "Fallin' In Love (aka Lady)" here, in that "Sonic" noted that he simply re-edited the 2009 version to emulate the structure of the original.

The 1970 mix features a slightly different, doubled DW lead with different lyrics in places. For example, the original has the lyrics "I love to grow with my lady" on the first verse. Whereas, on the 2009 version, it's a doubled "I let her grow (or possibly "let her know") she's a lady."  :)

I've fixed drop-outs by simply isolating the affected area, raising the volume of that area, and doing some EQ if necessary.  When a drop-out occurs, it's usually not that the music is gone, it's that the volume level drops.

It's great to have a Lady with the original intro in such high quality now :D Best version!

Big Sur is running too slow.

You made the dizzying sound effect on "Carnival" even more dizzying! I got sick for a moment! :)

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Thanks so much for this, incredible!

Please do Adult/Child  ;D

Same with When Girls Get Together.

I may be in the minority here, but I still think they should have included the original stereo mixes of "Lady" and "Good Time" on the Made In California box. Or...for consistencies sake...perhaps the original mono single mix of "Lady" to compliment "Sound Of Free."

The 2009 version of "Lady" is more like an alternate version, reconstruction to me (I won't use the word "outtfake"....lol), in that the string intro was simply created by flying-in that bit, from the multis, elsewhere in the song. I also prefer Denny's lead vocals and the lyrics on the original. On the later version, to me anyway, his vocals sound slightly thicker and more sluggish.


Still cool that "Sonic" gave us something else unique and fun here -- yet with a basis in the original. That's what these fan edits and reconstructions should often be about anyway IMHO: A fresh perspective on an "old friend."

cool cover !!!

Top, top job sonic! I love this 'album', some great tracks. Not a dud on there. Never heard this version of Big Sur before and it's a lovely song – one of the best things Mike did perhaps? Susie Cincinnati is one of my all-time favourite Beach Boys songs and one of Al's finest moments. Interesting to note that if this 'album' had gone into production like this then Al would have had four leads/co-leads (Loop de Loop, Lookin' At Tomorrow, Take A Load Off Your Feet, Susie Cincinnati).

It would have been a very quirky album if released like this, with some spartan production values, but still in my mind a terrific album. Again it amazes me how much stuff the Beach Boys recorded and never released. Incredible.

Sonic, could you point me in the direction of some other BB albums you have put together, please. Cheers

Thanks for the compliments!

The BB stuff I've done are:
SMiLE (1967 mix)
http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,16411.0.html
SMiLE (2004 stereo mix)
http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,16369.0.html
SMiLE Instrumentals
http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,16485.0.html

And then there's the Random Heroes and Villains Generator!
http://www.millerbull.com/cortex/smile/

oohhhoho you almost got me you darned scoundrel you!  ;D

I had forgotten about the H&V random generator.  :lol

Me too, it's great!

Dling this now, psyched.

Has the panning left/right issue been fixed on "Big Sur" yet?

I wonder what would happen if BW himself found it? ;D

When will we see Adult Child?

That makes us two. The beginning of the original mix with Dennis single tracked without reverb is so great... The MIC mix is overdone.

Twilight Zone time. Yesterday, someone sent me an image of an alleged Landlocked tape box label. Pretty convincing fake, have to say, but it wouldn't (or shouldn't) fool anyone here.

Thanks very much, I will check them out. I can't stop listening to it, it's great!

Another must-listen from a very tasty series. I appreciate the tape box picture and the cover artwork.
Another winner! Thank you.

Looking forward to the Adult Child mix.

Decloaking at last...in addition to Adult/Child, I'd like to make the following requests:
From A Basement on a Hill - Elliott Smith (the proposed double-LP version)
Celebration of the Lizard - The Doors (and if you have trouble getting sources on this, there's a guy named Ray in Texas who may be able to help...)
Look Back - The Beatles -this was supposed to be a volume of oldies covers culled from the Get Back sessions. Somebody seriously needs to do some heavy-duty editorial work and save anything good from the Nagras on this. Diamonds are there in the rough, but need cutting and polishing...
Surf's Up - BBs. This one would be tougher, since we don't seem to have any version of "Burlesque" anywhere.

Love your stuff. So entertaining and well-done. Somebody needs to give you a job doing this.

Hey thanks for the Suggestions, always looking for these!

From a Basement On a Hill - This is one of my all-time favorite albums!  I would love to do this--and I already know how it would be put together as I had thought of this long ago--but are there any non-mp3-sourced bootlegs out there?  Everything I've heard were mp3s only, poorly encoded.  That's one of the prerequisites for my blog, as they need to start in a lossless form. 

Celebration of the Lizard - Lots of people have been requesting this...  But isn't this only half of an album?  I see that the entire suite was released on an anthology and the newest Waiting For The Sun remaster...  Need more information. 

Look Back - I haven't heard of that...  I did a Get Back a few years ago (it's one of the first uploads on my blog) though.  Otherwise, I don't really hear it...  In my opinion, there wasn't a lot of good material from the Get Back sessions, especially the oldies covers that were maybe half a song, with Lennon remembering maybe half the lyrics, McCartney blurting in a totally different song as a band inside-joke, George fluffing his notes but leaving Billy Preston to carry the song.  :p

I know that Purple Chick put out a great compilation called A/B Road which is literally ALL the Nagra tapes assembled correctly.  There is also a three-disc compilation of "the best" of the Nagra tapes (as you were describing" called The River Rhine Tapes, and they are also in stereo (the compilers synced up the tapes from camera A and B to make a stereo picture!). 

I will say I have been slowly going through the entire Nagra reels (in reverse chronological order) and pulling out my favorite and most interesting pieces for my own amusement and listening "pleasure".  I had no intent to make an album out of it or anything but when and if I ever finish for the whole month (I'm only like ten days in) I could upload it for you. 

Surf's Up - You mean like an alternate Surf's Up?  That's what Landlocked is!!  ;)

Reconstructing something close to a Celebration Of The Lizard LP would be as easy as assembling a playlist of the right songs from the Waiting For The Sun album and the "Celebration Of The Lizard" song, wouldn't it? Not much work to be done there. I don't know everything there is to know about this, though, but that's the impression I get.

Elliott's From A Basement On The Hill album, the original double LP version, could only really be done accurately by someone who has access to his notes or probably Jennifer Chiba, his girlfriend at the time of his passing. I really hope his notes were consulted for the 2004 single disc version in terms of the tracklist, but I somehow get the feeling they weren't most of the time. Also, the rough mixes of "King's Crossing" and "Coast To Coast", while probably incomplete, kind of showed me the trip Elliott was on, the one I knew he was on but that isn't especially well-represented on the 2004 disc. It's nice, I'm thankful his family saw to it that his music got out despite what they were going through at the time, but I'm really hoping a 2 disc set is released some day. The guy's unreleased catalog is massive, most of what's gotten out is very much worth hearing. Just yesterday, a really cool Heatmiser take of "Christian Brothers" surfaced.

sonic, indeed, most of leaked material from this era is in lossy formats. I hate to say someone ages ago sent me a few unreleased tracks from this era in lossless, but I've since lost them. Shame the people who own his post-1998 recordings just fucking won't put any of it out in the foreseeable future because they don't see any big financial gain to be made from it. The stuff that did get put out and the stuff that didn't get put out are on the exact same quality level, I understand they did the best they could given some kind of contractual limitations set by Dreamworks (i.e. they could only put out one disc), but this stuff deserved to be released alongside the rest where it belongs.

I've worked on some the A/B Road material. Here is an edit I've done of three originals:

https://soundcloud.com/natural-e-tunes (https://soundcloud.com/natural-e-tunes)

Funny thing, I spent this morning researching it, and you are pretty much correct, it is a matter of re-juggling the songs!

But I just finished my own edit of "Celebration" that combines a few different sources so it isn't simply the lack-luster demo run-though from the Waiting For The Sun 40th remaster.  I like the results, I guess I'll actually do this one, coming up in a few weeks I suppose. 


Yeah, it's a total bummer.  Someone from another board made a Basement mix that was good, but yeah, half of it was lossy sourced.  With all this new Smith outtakes coming out, it's so weird that one of these final sessions have come out...  :(

What I had read was that his inspiration for the project was The White Album, so my idea was to reconstruct Basement as using The White Album as a literal blueprint...  As in, what would be the "Back in the USSR" equivalent?  Coast To Coast...  What would the "Dear Prudence" equivalent be?  Pretty Ugly Before...  Some of it it pretty easy (Twilight = Julia, Honey Pie = Memory Lane) but we simply don't have enough finished songs for all 30, and what would Revolution 9 be? 

Well, that's my idea anyways. 

Ray Shackleford's sources are definitely lossless.

http://www.lewisshiner.com/liberation/glimpses.pdf

Hey!  I was looking for that this morning, thinking Glimpses had some good primary sources about how the album would have been...

Then I found out what the book was about.  :p

"Revolution #9"? How about the mix of "O So Slow" with all the sound effects? %_%

Maybe. But yeah, I'm sure a decent fan mix could be made and I like your approach, but still, I'm really hoping some day, someone strikes up the right deal and the right people are involved to really dig through Elliott's notes and get a two disc version out.

i'm loving this discussion, though I feel a little guilty that I've highjacked the thread into being a soniclovenoise topic--perhaps we should continue this in a newer thread in Gen MX Discussion? Just thinking out loud here. Not a complaint, just an attempt to be "correct"...

Celebration/Lizard - I was indeed thinking of Ray's initial "research" sources in "Glimpses"--I'm no Doors expert, so I was just taking it all at the author's word. And I couldn't find a fan-made version anywhere--maybe I wasn't looking in the right places. But I thought this idea of doing it yourself might strike a chord with you.

Basement--the guy that did most of the recording--David McConnell, the artist?--claims to have 3 years' worth of notes on how it was supposed to go. After a quick reread of a couple of things, the only thing I noted from it was that Shooting Star was the opener, and not position 12. Maybe you could email the guy who assembled Grand Mal and see if he has lossless stuff.

Surf's Up - I adore your Landlocked, but it feels totally different than the moody/adult/poetic Surf's Up I think of. Landlocked--your version--feels like a miraculous new lost BBs album, not an alt-SU. Hence my suggestion.

And I just thought of a couple more, though I don't know how possible they are:
Neil Young - Homegrown. Yeah, I know the real thing is gonna be on the next Archive, but who knows when that's coming out? And wouldn't it be fun to see how close you come to the final product?

Neil Young - Tonight's the Night, original version. I don't know what the chances are of any of the original mixes being out there--the ones with the long weird improvised raps--but there's a whole tour's worth of live versions--maybe those might be close enough? And there's also that acetate version floating around, though it's not "the" original intended version.

More about "Look Back": I agree the pickin's might be slim. But who knows--I still haven't listened to all 80 hours of AB  Road yet...there may yet be some surprises. My suggestions:
-Third Man Theme - complete, pretty well played
-Blue Suede Shoes - this got wedged into a medley on Anthology, but it's an Apple take, pretty well played, just could use a little editing and touch-up
-The Walk - it's longer on AB Road--maybe an edit could yield a finished song?
-Ummm...that's all I can think of for oldies. You may be right: not enough worth saving along those lines.
Maybe just a nice single-album compilation of whatever good, oldies or not, might be more viable. Actually, PM me and let's discuss further, as I've already started work on a thing or two.

That's enough for now, I'm sure.
-onkster

Yeah,I've spent sometime researching Celebration of The Lizard, and was surprised myself that no one has done it.  And you are not the only one to suggest it, like three other people also did over the last year or so. 

It's pretty simple really:
1. Drop Hello I Love You and Summer's Already Gone
2. Add Celebration of The Lizard
3. Re-order tracks

And you're done!  :)  I've read that people seem to think "Gloria" would have been on there, but who knows (and there's no recordings anyways, right?).  Anyways, I have this done, was listening to it all last night and I think it sounds good.  I will upload it sometime. 

No I agree about Surf's Up vs Landlocked, I was making a joke. But the reason I chose to do Landlocked over others like Reverberation or Add Some Music is because it was the most far-removed from what actually came out.    So I probably won't do an alternate Surf's Up, but if I did, it would probably be all the druggy Wilson-driven tracks, dropping all the commercial Mike/Al-driven tracks. 

Neil Young, I am looking into that currently.  I have to assess if the source-material is even available for a reconstruction that sounds good (case in point, the 3rd CSNY album--no decent sounding source tapes). 

The Beatles one, I am still skeptical.  Sorry...

That would be impossible because a lot of the tracks that are supposed to go on the album have never surfaced.

McConnell wasn't around for the last year of Elliott working on the album at all, thus I don't know how reliable he'd be in terms of what Elliott wanted in October of 2003 as the album had come to include more songs and newer recordings. I know Elliott's family kind of snubbed him (according to him, anyway) in terms of not consulting with him at all on the final album and kind of treating him poorly. That's his side of the story, though.

I think "Shooting Star" being the original opener is kind of a somewhat unfounded myth that came to be accepted as reality by a lot of people without there ever being concrete evidence. The only evidence to that, I believe, is Elliott playing several Basement tracks for an interviewer in 2003 and the first thing played happened to be "Shooting Star". Among these was "True Love", which Elliott stated he wasn't even sure would make the album, thus I don't think what was played for the interviewer was meant to show an album tracklist or anything. "Shooting Star", to me, is not an opening track at all. "Coast To Coast", on the other hand, is one of the best album openers I've ever heard. Just me, I guess.

The guy who assembled Grand Mal doesn't have access to lossless stuff anymore than the rest of us, I believe. I know on older editions of it, he generally worked exclusively in MP3, edited, and then re-encoded to MP3, which is transcoding. No idea if he's since changed his approach, but he didn't seem to care about losing quality when I (probably rudely I'll admit, those were bad times) told him he was losing quality and making original quality files harder to find by doing this.

A few points:

1) I love the extra long "'Til i Die" that was on Pegboy. I used to play that over and over some 15 years ago.

2) I really enjoy your Lifehouse. It's one that rides in my car.

3) The intro to "Life Is For The Living" is really bad sounding on all available copies. The source material for this must have been an old cassette. I have heard an edit that loops part of the song at the beginning and although it is obviously a Frankenstein it comes off sounding smoother.

Love your blog. How about an alt Bambu?

Disagree, I hate the fan edit versions. Not sure what the thought process was behind them, but they're everywhere now and have really dirtied the pool.

I still feel "Life Is For The Living" might be my biggest "How the f*** was this not included on MIC?" track. They've found the reels now, so yeah. :'(

Just a guess--did member(s) of the band not want to include the line "Don't sit around on your ass, smokin' grass" because of the word "ass" and direct reference to drugs (theoretically opposed to their use, but somewhat ambiguous considering the amount of drugs that were clearly used in making this song and Adult/Child in general).  If the band was trying to present itself as family friendly it could have been omitted for that purpose.  But I agree; it's a great track.

Not sure. It is a little left of center for the guys, too. Still, they included the "hash joints" comment on the Smile box a couple years ago - they've come a long way. I doubt they're about to release that lost "Bitches Ain't sh*t" cover they did with Don Was, but I think they're well aware their image isn't as squeaky clean as it used to be while still trying to keep it decent. I think one "ass" per box set would probably be allowed, I'm still just really surprised by how much the Adult/Child material got shafted for MIC.

Many, many thanks for this - and for the other albums on your blog. I downloaded your SMiLE reconstructions a couple of years ago and never realized how extensive your catalogue of work had grown in the meantime.

Apologies if you've already answered this but your blog notes say that this is the third of four Beach Boys uploads. What is the fourth going to be? Adult/Child or some solo BB collection?

Keep up the good work!

What can you do with Carry Me Home?

Those saying that "Big Sur" runs slow, how much should it be sped-up?

I don't think it's slow. If it's slow, it should only be sped up by a nat's ass.  The real problem with it is that it pans back and forth between channels. The original doesn't do that.

Steve Mayo, is that you?

Somebody in the thread earlier posted it was runing slow. I personally didn't hear it.

And no, I'm not Steve Mayo, just some random Beach Boys fan.  ;D

I think the thought process was to cover up the bad sounding intro. There is also the instrumental mix on All This Is That but unfortunately the vocal version begins with a vocal ("liiiiife"). Not much can be done with it but I do appreciate your artistic integrity in preserving it the way it was without adding the intro.

Also I think that "Everybody Wants To Live" is my favorite of the unreleased Adult Child songs but also has a bad sounding Carl vocal like "It's Over Now" did. Maybe it can be fixed as well? It's not a very complicated song but it is catchy and Gabro likes it. Isn't that Dennis on background vocals or am I just hearing things?

One more request--not an album, just a track:
CAN'T WAIT TOO LONG.

The megamix!

I second that!

I would love to know how the sections from various sources relate to each other with regard to pitch...I've tried putting pieces together but can never get them in pitch with each other.

If I directly compare this version to the versions I have the difference is evident. This version runs 2:40, the ones I have 2:37. They sound like they're apart even more, but apparently they're not. I checked some of the other tracks (not all), the others seem to run the same speed as the versions I have.

Doubt it - that's down to Carl being smacked up, not incorrect tape speed/pitch.

Is the difference just three seconds of track leader time (silence between tracks)?

What is your guys' reference you are using to know that Big Sur is running slow?  Do we already have a version that is definitely at the correct speed? 

My only request for you, soniclovenoize?  PLEASE redo your uncensored "In It For The Money" at some point! :)

Honestly - there's no reason to use ANY of the 1980's remix.  The demo build of the album exists in shining quality (and the correct speed), so you could use that version of "Harry You're A Beast"; not to mention, the second verse of "Mother People" exists on Mothermania, which is now out on CD.

Hmmm, In my opinion those demos were of inferior quality as well as mono.  I tried patching them in and they seemed more intrusive than the 80s patches. 

I have to ask - how is the A/C mix coming along? Just excited is all :P

Nice Firey Mario!  ;)

Sorry, I've been sidetracked with recording/mixing one of my own bands' albums as well as doing The Doors "Celebration of the Lizard" and then this last week the lost fourth Velvet Underground album. 

I have had A/C actually finished for like a month.  It's just a matter of writing up a thing and then uploading it.  I'll try and do that today! 

Will you marry me

:rock Can't :rock wait :rock !!!!!

Word.  :rock

A/C should be great. I'll be interested to see what speed you put It's Over Now at.

I will say this:

1) I have NOT altered any speeds at all.  I know people on the previous page were saying Big Sur was slow, but I A/Bd my mix with three others, and they all were at the same pitch and the speed differed by a mere +/- 0.4 seconds.  That is not indicative of a slow tape speed.  So it's the same case with this:  Do we have a pitch-corrected speed for these to compare the tapes to?  Remember that in creating these I synched my working mix up with a few others to compare EQ settings and to tinker.  In doing that I did not see a pitch problem.  So either they're all slow, or they're all fine. 

But I used the MiC It's Over Now for what it's worth... 

2)  I have not fixed any of the slight tape drops outs.  As we were discussing earlier, I didn't feel it detracted from the enjoyment of the songs.  In the specific case of "Life Is For The Living", I thought to sample another section and "Frankenstein it" would be compromising the intended arrangement with a a capella introduction. 

I appreciate you guys are excited for these, but I fear that the anticipation has been built up for you guys to be let down.  :/  So yeah, I'm not Mark Linett, I'm just me.  I hope you guys like it, but, well, I don't know what I'm trying to say. 

People would be "let down" if Linett or anyone had done it.  Regardless, you are limited not only by the recordings that are available but by the material. 

Keep up the great work.  I've listened to every single album, regardless of artist, that you've done.  You've even turned me onto some new stuff, like Mars Volta.

"Good Time" is very very slow. 

If you ever get around to Carry Me Home and California Slide, how about Out in the Country and Seasons in the Sun too, please...?
And My Solution too, please!