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I am in a state! Chronic stress induces major depressive disorder!

I need a drink!

DO YOU HEAR ME CAPITOL?

 :angry :angry :angry

We hear ya

Capt Don, Anytime you fancy a drink I'd be delighted to buy you one in the Craven Heifer in Stainforth. It's Thwaites, admittedly, but it goes down the same way.

I share your anticipatory mood.

:'(

We'll all be around to pick up the pieces when Capitol breaks our hearts.

It won't be as beautiful as this one, anyway:

(http://www.beachboys.com/goodvibox.gif)


 :love

according to Mark London it will be

are you thinking Nutty Black?

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the band missing the oportunity for a release timed to coincide with the holiday shopping season.  I don't know if this is a function of a decision they made or if the matter was taken out of their hands entirely.  If the latter, you'd think the band and their representatives might be pretty bummed, no?  January just seems like such a queer time to put out as sizeable a release as this is purported to be (as opposed to just a few weeks sooner when folks are more flush with cash and are actively shopping for gifts).

Like everyone else here, I'm hoping the delay is the result of an effort by the compilers to turn up more unheard product and prepare it for public consumption.  My gut, though, tells me it's likely to be for reasons unrelated.  Heck, I'm still drinking the kool-aid and holding out hope for more of the 'My Life / Summer's Gone' suite to make an appearance.

Either way, here we are Capitol, waving our ca$h in the direction of the tower.

Thank you John, mucho appreciated!

I have a feeling we'll meet some day, to realise your idea.

I know NOTHING - no, really, it's true, I don't have any AGD-style 'in' of any kind - but I just wonder whether there might be a good reason why this box is late, and weirdly, missing the crucial Christmas sales period. Like - what if it's because they found something SOOO cool, the box just HAD to be delayed to include it? I mean, it's not going to be this, *obviously* but imagine they were preparing a career-spanning box set in time to be out at Christmas, and a 1967 acetate of a Brian-mixed-and-mastered first side of SMiLE turned up in a vault somewhere. You'd HAVE to delay the box until you had it cleaned up and ready for inclusion, until you had rejigged the tracklists to allow its inclusion, and redesigned the sleeve notes and printed tracklistings to include it, wouldn't you? And even if that pushed the release date beyond Christmas, you absolutely would NOT let the box go without making sure that was included.

OK, so maybe it's actually just the usual boring legal setbacks that are pushing it into the new year. But I have a funny feeling that we might be glad this sucker was pushed back in the long run.

And really, really - I honestly don't know anything. I just have a indefinible, weird feeling, based on a couple of things that have happened with other landmark archival projects in the past...

How can something which was never officially given a street date be considered "late"?

Personally, I've already spent enough money this season, so they can go ahead and wait for next Spring. Fine by me.

Spread it out a little. There will be a time when we will return to the Beach Boys famine we once knew.  We just got a new DVD. A month ago we got 12 remasters and a new hits package. It's ok to spread it out a little. Lighten up, Francis.

Ah, you seducer you…

Fair call, Bubba. And I'm one of the people who was telling people to cool it and have patience back in Spring 2011, when all that was known was that the SMiLE Sessions was coming out... sometime soon!

Like you, I'm actually totally cool with this coming out... whenever it comes out. As long as it does. And I believe it will.

I was just pointing out that it was *thought* to be coming out sooner, and it now seems that it's not going to be out in time for Christmas, which, if true, is an odd commercial decision. And I wanted to throw my two penn'orth in that any supposed delay... might actually be for a good reason. And, one day, make total sense to us all.

Or perhaps not. But I'm absolutely not a Cassandra-like Cohenista, nor indeed one of these people who are constantly hitting Refresh on this board, 24 hours a day, to see if the MIC track list is up yet. I call back in a couple of times a week, nose through the other threads, and check out the MIC thread most, but not every time I visit. It's not worth stressing about it. It's only some CDs. And they'll tell us when they're good and ready...

I think the Don needs a drink. And I will happily get them in. What's your poison? Mine's a nice cold Moretti...

Ah, help is at hand! Mine will be a Cutty Sark, please.

At the risk of having the thread walk the plank into the Sandbox, please reconsider your choice of poison. Ardbeg, Laphroig, Macallan perhaps, but Cutty Sark?????

I don't mind the box set being delayed at all. My earnings are at an all-time low and the year's been expensive enough for BBs fans as it is.

And as long as I have good company to while away the weeks… whose round is it again?

Not sure "beautiful" is the right word, those cds covers are quite freaking ugly.

The exact opposite is true for me - apart from the hotrod cover I find all of them beautifully designed.

Also, I was talking about the box as a whole: packaging, booklet et cetera.

I must agree with you. Very much of their time is the best I can say about them. The first Byrds box suffered from the same problem.

well the biggest question I have is ,are you Qbert????

(http://i49.tinypic.com/n17y45.jpg)

That is me after half a bottle of Cutty Sark, yes. Striking, the resemblance.

(Oh, the Sark ain't the best in the world, but is decent and inexpensive. Manning's preferences immediately clarify why his spending power is at an all tme low.)

Aye, Don, I've been spoiling the kids…  :lol

The 93 box was so good at the time that I really overlooked the packaging. Aye the disc covers were clichéd and generic, and saccharine in style, but the contents of those discs was mind-blowing.

As, I trust, will be the contents of MiC.

I'm surprised with all this speculation, there's not been any "proposed" dream tracklistings posted around here. I would had I have the time to.

I made the same point a couple of months ago.  Why would they want to miss out on the holiday shopping season?  Let's release it in January when everyone is tapped out...

Same here…  I think if someone was to trawl through all related posts, there'd probably be in excess of 100 tracks mentioned by Smiley folk over the last few months.  Like you say, time… time…

I admire the breadth of your imagination, however misdirected it might be.  ;D

Well I'm not lending them mine and as far as I know it's unique. So it better not be that…


;D

I figured as much. I'd just like to know how long you've had a copy to listen to.  
Perhaps the best way to hear this set would be to hack AGD's computer

Any Oasis fans here?

You're right - they are of the time but there's an honesty in that, that I appreciate. The illustrations try to capture esoterically the different themes and concepts - the mythology of the band. I think they're quite successful!

The new box will inevitably have some self-consciously retro design going on. Fine if it's done well, but very few designers can pull that off successfully.

Look, let's face it, we can speculate all we like, but i'd be willing to bet serious money that the reason for the delay is thus:

Mike objects to the inclusion of some of the Brian songs (he'll probably use the baffling excuse that he doesn't think they'll serve Brian's reputation well, somewhat forgetting that it aint Brian who's got the reputation issues...);

Mike objects to the number of Dennis songs (if we get WIBNTLA and Carry Me Home then i'll eat my hat, and i'll send photographic evidence too to prove i've done it (again, there'll probably be the baffling excuse that they're 'too down', and most definately not because they're so freakin' good they'd put everyone else's songs from the same period in the shade);

Mike wants more of the 'traditional' Beach Boys 'boy-meets-girl' 'coz that what people connect with' etc. songs, even though there are already a million soddin' releases wherein people can hear those songs;

Mike wants more sh*te from the '80's;

Bruce agrees with all Mike's objections about the box.

If you think i'm wrong, if you think i'm just talking anti-Mike nonsense, then let's bet on it people!

I hope you are wrong. I fear you might be right.

The words: Pet Sounds Sessions, delay, and booklet come to mind.

I really wish Myke had no say in anything. Everything he has done as a commercial venture since 1965 has been disasterous.

So Symphonic Sounds wasn't classy?????

Do not be afeard, Sir John. That is the exception. It should have been awarded the Nobel Prize For Music, no less.

*pfff... I need a stiff one... no MiC in sight... or it might be DJ Mic Luv...*

Yup, the tour this year was a complete financial & artistic disaster, wasn't it ?

I think b'dum tish is the operative term here...  :lol

Financial, no. Artistic, meh... Great shows, but they could've - and should've - played more of their more artistic side. It should've been split 50/50, not 70/30 as it was. After all, these shows were almost 100% guaranteed to be successes, in terms of tickets sold - so this was an ideal opportunity more than ever to not be afraid to showcase some of their more 'less commercial' material live. And they only slightly kinda decided to do that. You know, Smile did rather well when released earlier this year - so why not more songs from that?? Instead we got Heroes and Villains, and maybe Our Prayer, if you were really lucky... Otherwise what is often described as the band's artistic peak barely got a look in. There was no Til I Die. There was no Surf's Up. Not a single one of Carl's solo compositions (who wouldn't have loved to have seen them give Feel Flows an airing?). It's like Paul McCartney doing a show of Beatles material and then basing the vast amount of the set on pre-Rubber Soul material only. I like Old Betsy, but we had enough Oldies in the set already. Why not Time To Get Alone? or Baby Blue?

So the show's were unarguably a great success, but artistically a missed opportunity in lots of ways...

Not me. Blur are - and always were - vastly superior

Oh Christ. Mikes already pissed off millions of fans this year, what's stopping him from doing it again

Unfortunately, probably nothing.

Care to check any discography and then reconsider this statement ?  ;D

What about Wishbone Ash, then?

Millions ? I mean, really, millions ?  Try a couple dozen on the forums and a couple hundred who couldn't read the press release properly. Tops.

Yes, because we all know their work had no artistic qualities before they started being influenced by The Beatles.

More of a Stackridge man m'self…

And just for the record, AGD, although I DID say this in my original post - I don't seriously think they've found anything as amazing as a completed side of 1967 SMiLE*. I don't necessarily think they've found anything amazingly good at all that we don't already know about. I was just wondering whether they might have found something good _enough_ in recent months to justify taking a little longer over preparing the set. After all, once this box set goes out, the options for officially releasing rarities from the BB catalogue aren't going to be plentiful, unless, that BBCentral concept ever comes to fruition (ha ha). So if it doesn't go on MIC, it's probably not going to be seen for a long time. And so in turn, my thinking was: if they found something good in the vaults recently, they'd want to make sure it made it on to MIC, because that may be the last vehicle for ages by which they could get it out to the world. I am not _seriously_ expecting a 1966 'Look' with vocals or a finished 8-minute Barnyard Suite or Surf's Up with a second movement scored for laughing horns**. Or a crossfaded Elements track that would have changed the world of pop music forever in 1967 and reduced the Beatles into roadsweepers.




...I can just picture Ringo on the bins, mind...





*And anyway, everyone knows you've got the only copy of that... ;)

** Again, because you've got the only safeties of those, right?

Brian wanted the 'California Feeling' demo on there, Mike said the space was needed for a disk compiling all the material for 'Country Love' and 'First Love' alongside outtakes from 'Looking Back With Love', which is now what the outtakes are going to consist of, and for the hardcore fan, he fired up the old Mac used to record 'Summer in Paradise' and gave all the tracks a 'SiP' style remix.....


What a thought :lol

notice my Bowler Hat?  ;-)

Yes, why not deliberately, willfully misinterpret and pretend not to understand what it is i'm saying? Oh wait, you just did...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't his point to question your use of the term "artistic side"? Just because you don't like the way he couched it, doesn't make it an irrelevant observation.

You're asking for too much. We got a really nice share of rarities. The Beach Boys were playing to fairly large audiences who were mostly coming to have a good time. Half a set-list in an 8,000+ arena with Til I Die and Baby Blue kind of things would not have gone down that well. People didn't go batshit for All This Is That. They went batshit for Help Me Rhonda and Wouldn't It Be Nice. It was super nice of Mike and the band to give us hardcore nerds our share of rarities so we could geek out while everyone else chatted or took bathroom breaks or grabbed a beer.

We friggin' got I Just Wasn't Made For These Times, This Whole World, Disney Girls, Marcella, Sail on Sailor.....I'm thankful. They did their fans proud in that regard.

OK, RAH setlist broken down:

deep catalog - yellow (to Joe Q. Public, anyway)

Do It Again
Little Honda
Catch a Wave
Hawaii
Don't Back Down
Surfin' Safari
Surfer Girl
The Little Girl I Once Knew
This Whole World
Wendy
Getcha Back
Then I Kissed Her
Please Let Me Wonder
Marcella
You're So Good to Me
Kiss Me, Baby
Isn't It Time
Come Go with Me
Why Do Fools Fall in Love
When I Grow Up (to Be a Man)
Dance, Dance, Dance
Darlin'
Disney Girls
Good Timin'
It's OK
Cotton Fields
Be True to Your School
Ballad of Ole' Betsy
Still Cruisin'
Don't Worry Baby
Little Deuce Coupe
409
Shut Down
I Get Around

Second part
Pet Sounds
Add Some Music to Your Day
Sail on, Sailor
Our Prayer
Heroes and Villains
I Just Wasn't Made for These Times
Let Him Run Wild
California Dreamin'
California Saga: California
In My Room
All This Is That
That's Why God Made the Radio
Forever
God Only Knows
Sloop John B
Wouldn't It Be Nice
Good Vibrations
California Girls
All Summer Long
Help Me, Rhonda
Rock and Roll Music
Do You Wanna Dance?
Surfin' U.S.A.

Encore:
Kokomo
Barbara Ann
Fun, Fun, Fun

Encore 2:
Summer's Gone

Pretty fair percentage. 19 out of 61, or just over 31%.

The classics vs. rarities argument is a circular one, and I'm certainly guilty of spinning that wheel - but really, that ship has sailed. I don't think that many people in 2012 had eureka moments hearing some rarity and said - Never heard that one before...huh, I'm gonna buy that record!

That ship sailed roughly around the time the 80's arrived and they became 'America's Band'. A corporate branding, really. Which is fine, since you gotta have the business to go along with the art.

I really hope we're not seeing a renewal of the whole PS boxset internal politics delay. Hopefully it's just a matter of industry schematics.

Ain't that the thing with Beach Boys fans?

If they'd got on stage and performed SMiLE in its entirety, someone'd be moaning that they hadn't done Fun, Fun, Fun or Kokomo. If they'd performed Pet Sounds someone else would moan that they performed it in stereo instead of mono or 5.1 (I know, it's my oldest new joke but I like it and I'll probably use it again).

I can't believe that we have critics who moan about what they played and didn't play.

Fer pity's sake, our favourite band – the finest creative rock and roll force to have straddled the planet – reformed, for us, for the first time in yonks, and after putting aside their differences to record and release a stunning new album, gave us more than 60 songs, live, in an extended world tour that guys their age should be telling nurses about…

RAH was up there with some of the greatest gigs I've ever witnessed… I must have missed chunks cos I simply couldn't believe it was happening. It was, like the last 12 months (TSS, 50 Biggies, 12xremastered albums, TWGMTR… etc etc etc), almost beyond credibility.

And someone's pissed cos they didn't play Time to Get Alone?

Get real!

These aren't just good times, they're up there with the best of times. You want cherries on the sprinkles on the icing on your cream-stuffed cake?

John, there's a basic truth you have to understand - some folk are just fuckwits. They want it ALL and they want it NOW but most of all they want it THEIR WAY. These are the kind of people who, when whisked up to the Pearly Gates and presented with the Key of Heaven by St. Peter himself, would complain about how heavy it was.  Sadly, many of them are Beach Boys 'fans'.

Where's da "loike" button when ya needs one…?

Yep 100x infinity agreed!

Great shout John , I got my old West Country musician mate James Warren to attend and play (along with Andy Davis from The Korgis and Tears For Fears)  at a BBB Event a few years ago in Bristol , AGD will remember this -  (oh and don't forget Stackridge opened up a certain show at Wembley Stadium in 1975)

No complaints about the Wembley show - everything lit up the room, and I'm not gonna front and say I didn't want them to play Fun Fun Fun or Surfing USA or sh*t like that! I love those songs! They dropped Heroes and Villains, Kiss me baby, Summers Gone.... I mean it was a party, ultimately

The Wembley show I was at, they played all of those three. "Summer's Gone" was in the middle of the 2nd set, "KM,B" was the 'background' for the Smile charity video and... c'mon, when was the last time since about 1974 they didn't play "H&V" ?

Is it the consensus of the cognoscenti that some songs that the reunited band has done  (I should say "had done" for the TWGMTR sessions) will appear on the MiC box and thus not on any new BB album? Stowaway, for example, and Waves of Love and SBILA, etc.? If they do, this would mean that a "next album" is past praying for unless/until Brian (plus Brian and Mike?)  writes something brand new and the BB reunite to record it?

I am all done with greatest hits. I want live recording of this reunited band, DVD shows, and new material they create. I already listen to CG, etc. 50 times a day by turning on any piece of electronics in my home, car, or head. That's quite enough.

May I humbly join the queue?

Especially disc two. What made them think that was a good design?

I meant that they played it - communication mishap...  :-\

I would grab dem keys and throw it in his face! How dare he come now and prove the existance of God when there previously was none whatsoever. God is to blame, but St.Peter is his bitch, so I would vent my anger at him.

You did say that 70% of the songs that they played were not from their artistic side.  Out of curiosity, which of their songs do you not consider to be artistic?

"Dropped" = "played" ?  This is not the English I learned at school.  :o

Actually pretty common slang

Sure.

I always play a big log early in the morning.

._.

So, because i'd rather they'd played more than 31% of their 'later' material, i'm a f***wit and a 'fan' rather than a fan. Ok, fair enough. Just as well God doesn't actually excist and is entirely a human invention so i won't have to worry about any future Pearly Gate moments...

Christ, if anyone of us are even remotely disappointed by the forthcoming boxset's tracklisting - i.e. if woe betide we were hoping a song would be included and then it isn't - then we'd better keep schtum, otherwise we'll be tarnished as 'fans'.

Biggest laugh I've had. EVAR.

Gotta love that toilet humour...

They don't do these shows specifically for us die-heards. I'll bet you that many who were there, the casual fan (the 70% of a typical audience) probably did a few "what the f***s" when they played the 30% that was really meant for us. I was really happy that they played what they played at the two shows that I attended.

Come on man. Are you really serious? The Beach Boys reunited in 2012 and played a set featuring songs such as "This Whole World", "Heroes And Villains", "Sail On, Sailor", "Marcella", "Good Timin'", and a bunch of other stuff and you weren't happy with that? Come on. I personally LOVE the late sixties/early seventies version of the band just as much as anybody else, but if you are really disappointed with the fact that they did their big hits (most of which are great) along with that other stuff, well then I feel bad for you. Because there is a lot of great music the guys have made, and I'm glad they did all different parts of the catalog, and not just their "most hip" material.

The 31% that AGD came up with was of lesser-known tracks.  Lesser-known is not the same as 'later' or 'from their artistic side.'  Consider that some of the songs he did not include in this 31% were "California Girls," "Let Him Run Wild," "The Little Girl I Once Knew," "Wouldn't It Be Nice," "Good Vibrations," and "Heroes and Villains," all of which (and many other of the hits that they played) are among the artistic highlights of the band's career.  How, exactly, was their artistic side under-represented?

Add several thousand Oregon Duck fans he insulted in Eugene this year.  The man has a way!

I wonder what rhetorical tactics Chevy Chase fans use these days.

*yawn*


*yawn*


*yawn yawn f**kity yawn*


Are you out of your fucking mind? Also....*yawn*


Do you have their tourbus bugged or something? Jesus wept, if you spent this much time and energy on something meaningful we'd have a cure for cancer and the second gunman in the JFK assassination.


This is just a ploy to keep you from getting a job, isn't it?

..

I couldn't make it to the show, what did he say?

When I get to see the tracklisting I will state my opinion on the suitable thread. I'm not afraid to be deemed a 'fan' based on my opinion of a box set. If someone here criticises me then good on them. I got insulted on the internet? whoa, my world collapses :ahh

I think he's saying that its cool with the big hits, but when Don't Back Down (which is NOT a hit) gets added in favour of better 70's stuff then he (and people like him) gets a bit upset. I do  understand him. Many of those early songs sound just the same and to the casual fan they are on their own not that memorable. For this reason alone I would've prefered more post-PS material.

Mike: "OK Wembley, who wants to hear Surfin' USA?"
(Crowd erupts)
Mike: "Well f*** you guys. If you want to hear it you should buy a copy of Endless Summer! Ok guys... 1-2-3-4!"
(Band launches into a rip-roaring rendition of Belles of Paris).

I will guarantee that folk will be disappointed in some aspect or other of the box - tracks included, tracks not included, mastering quality, packaging, liners, price, weight, availability... did I miss anything out ? Oh yeah, promotion - and will voice their views here*. Include me in that merry band. But when someone complains they didn't play enough artistic/deep cuts live in concert when the fact is over 1/3 were exactly that, then it's open season. Personally, at Wembley, I felt only one track elicited a true "WTF ?" moment, "Betsey"... and "Kokomo" almost killed the momentum stone cold dead.

[* not because I have any inside info**, just human nature]

[** ... or do I ?]

Couldn't agree more with this. And I don't really get where this 'obscure=artistic' thing comes from anyway. Yes, something like Cabinessence is beautiful, and only the fans know it -- but you know what else is beautiful? Good Vibrations is. In My Room is.

The setlists weren't the ones I'd have chosen if I'd had complete control, but this year I got to see the Beach Boys doing All This Is That, with Brian, Darian and Jeff covering Carl's part beautifully. I saw them do Kiss Me Baby and Good Timin' and Please Let Me Wonder and Don't Worry Baby and In My Room and Disney Girls and Pet Sounds and Sail On Sailor and Forever and Heroes & Villains and God Only Knows and Isn't It Time. I don't care if those songs are among the most famous they ever did, or the most obscure -- they're among the *best*, and I want to hear them,

Yes, if they'd asked me to put the setlist together, I'd have dropped Kokomo and Little Deuce Coupe and Barbara Ann and a bunch of other songs that I never really need to hear again, and added in Airplane and Surf's Up and Til I Die and Still I Dream Of It. And then at each show 20,000 people would have asked for their money back while ten of us would have been weeping with joy.

I don't know of any other band in the world where people go to the shows and come out complaining that they did too many of their hits...

Still, it's those 10 people that buy every single thing the BBs release, thereby guaranteeing them continuing income ( instead of the one greatest hits release every lifetime)

I think "Don't Back Down" is a great song and better than the vast majority of their '70s material.  If they had replaced it with, say, a Love You track or "'Til I Die," that would have been fine, but they played most of the best songs from Sunflower (except for "Cool, Cool Water," and I don't know how good that would have sounded live), and most of their other '70s songs aren't as good as "Don't Back Down."

I like Don't Back Down, but there are plenty of 70's songs that are better.  Don't Back Down didn't seem to get a big response.  I would have preferred It's About Time, Deirdre, Slip On Through, You Need A Mess Of Help, Trader, Roller Skating Child, and many more over Don't Back Down.

Wembley was the greatest gig I've ever seen but you're right, Betsey was just awful

I didn't mind Betsey at all (she's my niece)… I thought "It's Okay" was a bit of a conversation killer, not only in London but in some of the recordings I've heard of shows elsewhere… but I wouldn't have changed a thing.

C'mon people, it's 'Betsy' not 'Betsey'!

Eh: potato, cucumber.

Yep, ok, everything was perfect and i'm a mentally handicapped person. The Mojo critic who reviewed the show - positively! - who also made reference to the setlist leaning towards the 'sun and surf' songs rather than Brian's later works, yeah, he must be a mentally handicapped person too. Probably a 'fan' in fact. Christ.

I work in a greengrocers. That'll roughly cost you £1.02 (Depends on the size of your potatoe(s))

Except for the 1993 tour, this is about as good as it gets for a setlist. Even in the early to mid-70s, the more current songs were constantly in and out of the lineup. Most people go to hear the hits. They always have and always will. When you have 36 Top 40 hits, it is hard to leave too many out for deep cuts.

The Beach Boys are not The Rolling Stones. They don't have the same luxury to pick and choose from a 50 year backlog of commercial successes. With the exceptions of 15 BO's and this year's reunion record the band have not had a big selling original album since 1967!! Of course that is going to factor into the setlist decisions. It's great that they aren't completely ignoring their 'wilderness period' but realistically there's only so many lesser known songs you can hit an audience with at one time.

he said some bad things about Mick Jagger and the Rolling Stones.........

 :P

some people will complain that it doesn't have that "new box smell".......

 :hat

What if they scrapped more surf and car songs for the UK leg and added more late 60's + 70's material? The UK crowd digged the second set by far. There is no doubt that the UK has more eyes on their entire career rather than just the pre-Smile era + kokomo which much of America has. I think it has much to do with the band being recognised in the UK after much of the Surf stuff was out. After all most of their albums charted in 1965-66 and SD&SN/Today! were not really that much about surfing and cars. I think fewer of the UK audience are really into the surf music and car culture of California. Sure many absolutely love California and love this bands relationship to that state. They might not be as inclined to dig the Be True To Your School thing and 409 or Little Deuce Coupe. British popular culture never was as much about cars and hot rods as it was in america (most likely because you gotta be 18 to drive in UK + endless rain instead of endless summer  ;D)

We can drive at 17… but y'right about the dang rain!

Driving age in much of America is 17 as well.

I like my cucumbers straight…

I prefer pickles.

I don't wanna pickle just wanna ride on my motorsickle

Not only potentially homophobic but also top-heavy with innuendo - where's the thought Nazis when you need them ?  ;D

I don't think anything on Endless Summer can really be considered a deep cut.

Actually it's a politically loaded comment on EU vegetable regulations.

But back to the topic: presume that if this box is coming January (according to dozens of EU e-tailers), there'll be an announcement this side of Christmas so we don't blow everything on leftover tour merchandise?

Hello ? Are you actually reading what I've said ? "To Joe Q. Public"... oh, and Endless Summer was released nearly 40 years ago: Sounds Of Summer is now the gold standard for compilations.


I find the use of the word "bl*w" here exceedingly distasteful due to its blatant homoerotic overtones (albeit not in this particular context but, well, it's still the word "bl*w", isn't it ? Disgusting).

Every day I thank the Lord for that.

well, not all of them. ( or isn't Blondie considered official anymore)

I wanna see Mick Jagger get on stage with The Beach Boys any day now!!

He's too chickenshit for that. But for some reason I'll take "Jumping Jack Flash" over "Belles Of Paris" any day. Actually come to think of it (and to be honest), Tattoo You was a much better album than Keeping The Summer Alive. The former seems relevant to the early 1980's whereas the latter seems to have crawled up it's own ass and went to sleep. I am probably not alone in that opinion either.

Dear John -

put aside that Laphroaigh for a sec. The idea precisely is that we blow every penny on that unwanted, cheaply designed merchandise. The BBs sales team knows exactly that the only fanbase stupid/courageous/daring/obsessive/disturbed enough, the world over, that will take risky loans, rob a bank, and risk bankruptcy and jail to get hold of that box coming January, is that of the Beach Boys.

Divorce lawyers also will have a field day in February.

I know jack about disgusting terms, but I'm becoming a tad concerned about an apparent obsession with 17-year-olds.  I'd rather have a mature 18-year-old Ardbeg m'self.

Don – the Leapfrog was just a point of reference. In reality, it's Ardbeg every time by choice (though Grants at the mo' due to circumstances).

Suspect this thread is destined for the scrap heap soon but I blame Capitol's wall of silence rather than any lack of willingness of board members* to discuss the subject matter.  S'been fun this time, ain't it!


* Go on AGD, I dare you!   ;D

Ha, it sure has been funny, and I didn't expect this to run as long as it did... and we'll have a good whiskey together one day, I can sense that.

Don, y'know that there's no "e" in whisky unless you drink the lesser grade stuff from Canada or the US.  Irish I'll let through though!  Turf's Up!

 :lol

I always mix the two up! But we'll peat some day...

I have a feeling we'll be hearing something in the next 2-3 weeks

Okay, fair enough.  But a lot of film buffs would still know All Summer Long from its being in American Graffiti.

Someone said the same thing 2-3 weeks ago :-\

HELLOOOOO FUCKFACE, ARE YOU EVEN FUCKING LISTENING YOU IGNORANT DOTARD. GAWD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes... but how many would remember this much later, and how many would go to a BB gig ?  Basically, if it ain't on SOS, 80% of the punters ain't gonna know it.

 :lol

You beat me to it! (I was going to post something along the lines of: this is the most widely used sentence on SSnet throughout the years ever by a supertera-long-shot).

I personally have a feeling we'll hear something just before the 60th Anniversary kicks off!

 :lol ...and then we'll have a box complete with all the mega-rarities that they'll produce in the studio in the upcoming decade...

I have a feeling.

Just thought you'd like to know...  :old

I have feelings too, you know... in this bleak time of waiting and anticipating, I am searching for the inner me I used to be.

I don't mind celebrating the box with an 18-year-old or a 24-year-old, but I draw the line at a 60-year-old!

 :lol

how tolerant.

I think you underestimate the musical knowledge of the band's audience.  Do you think Brian Wilson's Smile tour was successful because he played all the hits?

That was successful for the same reason that folk would flock to see the second coming of Christ, even non-Christians/fans etc.

Different audiences. Smile is a legendary work that appeals to the hipster crowd, and Brian Wilson as a name is associated with 'legendary mad genius'. A lot of those people refuse to see the Beach Boys, in any line-up, because they hate Mike Love (I know at least five people who went to those shows who have said this to me). When I've been to Beach Boys shows, though, there have been some of the "Brian" crowd there -- but also many, many people who don't have a clue about the band past the hits. When I saw the reunion tour in Italy, for example, the person I was stood next to in the front row turned to me after the show and said "you must be a superfan!" -- because I'd sung (well, mouthed, so as not to spoil the show for others) along with every song.

It was hard to get a feel for the crowd at Wembley, but at the two Italian gigs I'd guess no more than five percent or so of the audience knew This Whole World, All This Is That or Good Timin'. A sizable chunk probably didn't own even a hits CD, but just liked what they'd heard on the radio. And the same goes for the audiences at every Mike & Bruce show I've ever been to.

In general, audiences at stadium gigs tend not to know that much of a performer's catalogue -- when I went to see Paul McCartney last year, for example, the person sat next to me bellowed along at everything on the Beatles' red or blue compilation albums, but was silent even for the Beatles album tracks (like The Word), let alone McCartney's solo stuff. Audiences at an 'arty' theatrical show have very different expectations.

... which nicely proves my point about the connection between BB fans and fuckwits. Anyone who would elect to miss something as magnificent and soul-enhancing as one of the C50 shows simply because they 'hated' one of the guys on stage is a moron of the first order.

Nah, we're each entitled to our own, and each entitled to miss out big-time. S'just their loss, is all.  :D

I entirely agree.

Agree. I went to a show simply dying to hear the songs played live with the real Brian Wilson present. Wasn't looking especially forward to Mike and his cars/skool songs but at least he didn't introduce Bluebirds Over The Mountain in spanish, and for that I am forever grateful.

And, in truth, they don't hate Mike, they hate the image of him they're presented with, or want to believe in. They don't know him at all.

I went to see The Beach Boys - The real Beach Boys - for the first time since 1996 and very probably for the last time ever. And by God, I did.  ;D

I've got a feeling...that's tonight's gonna be a good night. Tonight's gonna be a good good night...

That is a basic truth that all fans of whomever should always bear in mind. Good and wise remark.

Yep - I think that's a fair cop. However, music is a broad church, and the BB's current rep (in the UK at least) has a great deal to do with the great enthusiasm of those 'hipsters' who seem to be the popular targets of derision here. They were the ones buying the BW tix, the merch, and writing the articles, posting the blogs, etc. and soforth.

Often those folk are dedicated specialists into a very specific aspect of music. Slating them for not liking the *image* of Mike Love? How about extending the same courtesy to that specialised fan base,  many of whom kept the BW/BB flame alive when most others had lost interest. Fashion sense - not always, but often - has little to do with it.

Amen!

I don't see that as being quite the same thing. They're not being slated for not liking Mike (or his image, or whatever it is they think they don't like), they're being slated for allowing their apparent hatred of Mike to blind them to the music. No-one has to like Mike, that's up to them – but to miss a classic Beach Boys show is like refusing to drink water because fish swim in it.

I'm not sure I find all Mike' activities and opinions agreeable but the music's something else.

Someone's bound to throw the word "Mike-ist" around any moment now…  :lol

But, But, water is treated and sanitized before we drink it.( at least we hope it is) 
If the BBs were to sanitize Mike before we partake of  him, maybe it would be easier on our palates
You darn Mike-ista!

Does anyone remember DJ Mic Luv by the way?

A sorely missed opportunity to cash in on the last visionary genre explorations of Brian Wilson, namely, 'Smart Girls'. Glimpsed briefly during Summer Of Love, and no more.


There is still time, Mike, to make your rap opus. If the powers that be are reading this, I offer my services as producer/hype man (a task for which I am already suitably monickered)

Mike needs to lay down a rap off against the Jay Z's and 50 Cents of this world.

You wanna, like, sterilise him? Like, boil him in water?

Well, the guy has been married a bunch of times...who knows what diseases he might be carrying?

:lol

I do.  Well, not on a personal level.  But his (or her...hell, I don't know) version of Smile was my favorite...still might be.  Very Zappa-esque but totally Brian.

He unleased the love too many times. :lol

I'm Dr. Love, yes I'm the real Love
All you other Mike Love's are just imitating
So won't the real Mike Love please stand up,
please stand up, please stand up?

where's the EFFING box set?  Nurse Ratched, where are my pills???

Is it still around somewhere? I don't have it. But I fondly remember his 'sleeve notes', a work of art in itself.

More people would know it from The Simpsons.

Or the commercials for Sonic Drive-in

After nearly two months, I have decided to briefly return. If the rumors on the internet are true (that Mike Love has vetoed much of the unreleased material intended for the box set), then the box set has lost much of its reason to exist. After all, we don't need another greatest hits collection. Capitol, EMI and various reissue label licensees already have a number of 2-CD & 3-CD hits collections on the market all over the world. "50 Big Ones" and "The Platinum Collection" are certainly adequate and contain most of the songs that the casual music consumer would want to hear.
 
Let's say, what if the "Made in California" box set project has already quietly died. Do you think that Capitol Records is going to hold a press conference or release a press statement and officially tell us that the box set project has been abandoned? Obviously, they won't (it's The Wall of Secrecy, Ya' Dig?)

Obviously, there are some die hard true believers amongst you, who are willing to give Capitol until the end of time(or the end of our lives, whichever comes first) to release this box set, but as for the rest of us out here in Compact Disc consumerland, there must come a certain clearly defined point where we assume that this box set is not to be. In my opinion, if there is no announcement of a release date by the end of Summer 2013, then the box set is not to be. But of course, you guys can keep on dreaming and spinning your fantasies of a box set.

And if (note: i say "if") Mike Love's unreasonable demands caused the collapse of the box set project, then he has sealed his fate in history as one of rock n'roll music's greatest villains. (As if derailing The Beach Boys reunion wasn't enough). Our only hope for the future of The Beach Boys & the box set, is that Mike Love has a change of heart(not unlike the mythical Grinch Who Stole Christmas, when he got to the top of the mountain with all the toys that he ripped off from the kids in the village below. The Grinch's heart grew ten sizes, and he went down the mountain on his sled, and returned the toys to the kids)

Oh lord.

I guess we won't hear from you again until next Summer. Cya!

Paging Mr.Doe....

I am ready for AGD's rant of the century! :rock

At this point, my guess is there will be another tour next spring/summer w/ box set release to coincide. Makes the most sense from a business standpoint.

This much I will say, then move on: Cohen, as is ever the case, is hypothesizing from a position of complete and utter ignorance regarding what is actually going on 'behind the scenes', thus you are safe to completely dismiss his posts out of hand as the empty gibberish that they indeed are. Cast your mind back over the last 18-24 months - which of us has the better track record concerning what we said (or didn't) and what actually happened ?

Exactly.  ;D

Finally, I have tired of shooting fish in barrels with bazookas. I crave a bigger challenge.  :old

Yes, my son ? :thumbsup

but what if he's right? What if the sky IS falling?

(Frankly though I suspect Phil's timing is right on the nose… expect it to be put out of joint any day now by an official announcement. It's as if he knew…)

That's not going to be on the box set. Sorry.



:D

I had been slightly worried about this box set. Now Phil Cohen has commented, though, I can happily assume that it's been delayed because they're making it a 27-CD box including the complete Carnegie 1972 show, the whole of Adult Child, a completed, sequenced-by-Brian 1967 Smile, an unreleased Dennis album that no-one even knew had been recorded, and a special, personalised new reunion album, where every purchaser gets their own one-off album with the band singing about them.

At least, that's what I have to presume going from Phil's previous levels of wrongness.

I told you to keep all that to yourself. Damn...  :old

Stranger things have happened, most of them in the last 12.5 months!

I knew you couldn't resist.


I actually agree with some of this.  To many new and average fans, another greatest hits box might appeal to them. But to the hardcores like us, we're clamoring for unreleased/alternate/live takes (or complete live shows). I'm real tired of all these greatest hits collections, even the ones with a couple of stereo tracks thrown in there as an incentive to buy. I hope to hell they're not thinking of releasing a new Best Of box with a couple of "new" tracks (i.e. WIBNTLA or stereo Wild Honey/Friends/20/20 album cuts) thrown in for good measure. They're already re-done most of the mono tracks in stereo. And if Mike Love is indeed vetoing some of the good sh!t thats been asked for and suggested on this board to be included, I'm shying away from buying this box new.  

This box has 6 CDs - even if you included every charting single, including the two in the Xmas chart and them as charted in the country list, you'd still have at least three CDs to fill, probably more. Don't sweat the small stuff.

OK fine, AGD.  This new box is gonna be totally bitchin' then.  Maybe even rival the '93 box.

Gimme the Beach Boys and free my soul, I wanna get lost in your Rock 'n Roll and drift away......

Sad part is, when I was a kid I thought those actually were the lyrics to 'Drift Away'!

Damn, I was hoping for a higher quality cocaine version, or something from the attempt during the 1985 sessions.

It's good to see you again Phil - won't you please stay?

The one thing I would say is that while the box-set may well appear next year, it is absolute lunacy for them to have allowed it to miss the Christmas season. From a sales point of view they might even be best of postponing it until next October/November.

An entirely hypothetical question: would you rather have it half-assed now, or wait a little while and have it done properly, or at least better ?

Well there's a back-handed compliment if ever…  ;D

This question has nothing to do with Mike Love, Phil Cohen, or anything controversial. I'm not trying to start anything. But, I'm curious...

What is the process for the final song selection? Must the vote be unanimous? Can one member's veto kill a song? Just for the sake of discussion, what if Al Jardine said (and I know this would never happen), "Surfin' U.S.A. has been on every greatest hits package for the last 45 years. Everybody has it. I don't want it on another comp..." Would his wish have to be taken seriously and could the song be nixed because of one dissenting vote?

Why should it have been half-assed at all? My point was that the record company should have planned from the beginning for it to have been available and completed well in time for the Christmas market. It's not like the idea of a 50th anniversary suddenly jumped out on them after all...

Actually, looking forward it might be a good thing that the box is delayed. It spaces the releases out, and we should start getting used to droughts of reissues/remasters, just in case...

Scrape the barrel, baby!

The unreleased songs presumably can be nixed by a single band member.

Capitol could include anything else they wanted to though I would guess.

Me too, for awhile!  I even sang it out loud to a few friends when it came out and they bought it!

Dude, this is The Beach Boys we're talking about here.


To the best of my knowledge, the one-person veto only applies to previously unreleased tracks, although of course Brian vetoed "Let Him Run Wild" from the 1993 box. I think, to take your example further, even if Alan had pitched a hissyfit over "Surfin' USA", Capitol would have said "stuff you, sonny, it's going on the box". Sadly, this means "Barbara-fucking-Ann" will also be included.  Bugger. >:(

How sadly true :lol

Sniff, Phil gets welcomed back with open arms and no-one's even acknowledged my return! :'(

Anyway i'm fine with waiting for the box set, admittedly I haven't brought any remasters yet! Is that something I should be admitting on a Beach Boys forum? :o

And you might be... who, exactly ?  ;D

I'm the guy who a few days ago couldn't hear out of his right ear, was sat at home wearing a dressing gown and couldn't smile, but that's because I had ear ache! Not because i'm a pot bellied genius who wrote God Only Knows, watches Norbit and has sex with his wife "Twice a day, every day".

Whatever my personal opinion of Phil's post, at least he accomplished something by directing the talk back towards Made in California and away from pages of lengthy, tangential discussion about the C50 tour and 'fans,' no?

http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/search/music/adv_1/artist_Beach+boys/category_1/target_DETAIL_ARTIST/title_Made+in+California/x_0/y_0/

New listing to me…

Your track record is not so great. You said that the box set would be released in 2012. It wasn't.

Is he supposed to foresee holdups and changes? He's not Nostradamus.

Yeah...besides, notice it is now a SIX CD set? Gee, I wonder if that added to the delay...

Stoked your back Phil... Stoked

No, Andrew is Nostra-Doe-mus. ;)

December 1st, release in late Jan.

I bet $10 on it

28 Jan, 2013..

God I hope that's true.. were getting closer  ;D

This one seems to be accepting orders.  Isn't that a first?

19 March 2013.

Based on absolutely nothing.

But more likely than 28 Jan 2013, unless it's moving faster than i thought...

My bet is that this will be expanded to include artwork and/or track list within days.

This!

I got a funny feeling

Was listed as six CDs a while back - no insider knowledge there. I remember these things so you don't have to.  ;D

Did anyone ever answer the professor's question as to whether it is now clear that the boxed set will include material from the reunited band and thus will likely nullify the idea of a new album of BB material any time soon (until they reunite again and start from scratch)?

I'd rather have it full-assed. 

Am I to understand that 19,794 yen is roughly equivalent to $240.00?  Guess, I'd better start saving now.  Good to finally have some "maybe, possible" news, though.

Bring on that tracklisting!  :woot

Prices on music and movies are usually much higher in Japan than elsewhere.  CD's by popular bands often cost around $25; DVD's often cost around $50.  I suspect it won't be as expensive in the U.S.

It is still standing at € 102.99 with my local retailer. He never was wrong in the past in these matters.

I have a theory.

Andrew G. Doe and Phil Cohen are one and the same person.

Complex case of Multiple Personality Syndrome.

AGD needs Cohen like Holmes needs Moriarty.

Andrew secretly likes Phil 'Prophet of Doom' Cohen.

Because it's himself.

Any thoughts on this admittedly brilliant hypothesis?

Only this one - ingenious, but sadly, complete bollocks.  :old

There is only one being who could release the truth about this conspiracy: Andrew's Fern.

 :lol

 :-[ I have committed the sin of blasphemy...

But, of course, that's the answer one would expect from two heads thinking as one....

AGD, does The Heartical Don remind you of Topgazza on that other board?

 :lol spot on!

Ahhhh Shut Down Vol 2 - the board where I once posted something and about 2 days later it was still tagged as the most recent post...

Couldn't say - not been there for a good few years: is it still up and running ?

I hereby solemnly declare that I am not Topgazza.

I would never use such a silly moniker.

Pish!

That's the one. If you post there now, it'll take about a week before someone responds. And it'll probably be Topgazza (or one of his 3 alternate alias's) who responds. Board's pretty much dead.

Topgazza's humor is the same as Heartical Don's. You know, that down-home British bloke humour.........   ;D

I saw there were 2 new pages on this thread. Hence I expected some new info might've cropped up, however it appears Phil's ill-timed return to the board has caused a stirr amongst its more permanent habitants ^^


I AM NOT AMUSED.


Edit: My bad, the Phil bashing only took 1 & 1/2 pages

I resemble that remark - I'm a "British bloke" and my humor is roughly nine degrees of magnitude more elevated than TGs.

Yeah, you may be British, Andrew, but you still spell "humor" the good ol' American way.  I know you live in the UK, but you obviously have one toe reaching over and touching American soil!

You have my full agreement, Don -

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,12134.msg308428.html#msg308428

Keep chipping away!

I would use the term 'tilted' :D

You may recall, that in May 1967, The Beach Boys' publicist issued a statement telling the fans that "Smile" had been "scrapped". If the "Made in California" box set has also been "scrapped", do you guys think that The Beach Boys, Brother Records or Capitol Records should openly tell the fans? You DO know(don't you?)  that , as of mid-December, that the "Wall of Secrecy" has been in effect for ONE YEAR. It doesn't seem that The Beach Boys, Capitol Records or Brother records have any respect for the thousands of people who would have wanted to buy this (mythical?) CD box set.

Yawn..... ;D

Someone tell Mark London this news....he'd love to know he's wasting his time. ::)

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,14160.msg332786.html#msg332786 (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,14160.msg332786.html#msg332786)

Well no one will ever fault you for consistency, Phil...

Andrew G. Doe-hen?

Damn, I forgot to look at the name of the poster. I read the post half through when I realized this must be Phil Cohen. And it was.

Usually I don't bother reading his paranoid ramblings.

Kidding?

Yep, because if there's one thing that absolutely *screams* "Wall of Secrecy" it's issuing multiple press releases, going on a worldwide tour, making multiple TV specials, radio appearances and DVD releases, releasing a new album and having a gigantic publicity campaign.

Death takes a sh*t.

Not a clue. Not. One.  ;D

The bottom line: The Beach Boys & Capitol Records let down the fans: they didn't come through with the "Career-Spanning" box set that was promised(for 2012) in a December 2011 press statement issued by Capitol Records. Capitol Records & the Beach Boys failed to deliver the goods. There are no excuses for this failure.

Yawn..... Phil is just trolling at this point, everybody keeps pointing out hints that the box is a reality and Phil ignores them.

You're right. We must attach their headquarters and spank their bottoms. They've been very very naughty.

I am now of the opinion that if Phil's here ranting crapanonsense, the details of the box are online and we just haven't found them yet.

Get Googling youse guys…

Said this before, and I'll say it again - so this is the first ever title in the history of the recorded music industry not to be released on the originally announced date ?  Nothing like this has ever happened before ? Everevereverevevrever ?

I'll come clean - it's my fault: I got on to my buddies in the tower, and at BRI and asked them to delay the box until next year. Of course, they asked me why, and I said "well, no better reason than I really, really, really want to piss off Phil Cohen: he'll have 57 blue fits and the real fans won't mind that much", and know what ? They all said "Cohen ? Hell, yes !!"

1963 = Phil Spector's Wall of Sound
2012 = Phil Cohen's Wall of Secrecy

There's still a whole month of 2012 left, Mr Cohen...

It also bothers me that Capitol didn't give an announcement when they decided to scrap The Smile Sessions box, and then proceeded to release the box to cover up their decision not to release it.  That Wall of Secrecy sure is diabolical.

Send them a message: refuse to buy the box set they haven't released.

They are indeed devious bastards.

Yes those gosh-darn Beach Boys and the uber-evil Capitol Records have really let us down in 2012, what with that 74 date world tour, the zinepak, first studio album for 20 years, reissue of 12 albums with some being in stereo for the first ever time, two new greatest hits sets, Doin' It Again DVD, Live in Concert: 50th Anniversary DVD...

You mean "attack"!

Y'know, the really funny thing about this whole thread, and the current turn it's taken, is that they're sitting in the Tower, reading it.  ;D

I wonder what Capitol's favourite Oasis album is.

I wonder if Oasis's favourite song is 'Midnight At The Oasis'?







...probably not.

"It is to laugh."

(Daffy Duck, "Robin Hood Daffy," 1958, writer: Michael Maltese)

Yeah, I guess so. I did give this 21st century "wall" its name!

The Tower,

Please, please, please. Take your time and get it right and fit as many snippets of anything you can on this thing. Veto Mike if you have to go that far. We bow to thee and our cash is waiting to be dispensed in return.

Thank you.

"Don't you worry, never fear. The new box set will soon be here."

Phil needs a Wailing Wall like they have in Jerusalem, just bigger.

Something like this one: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VmEJqGsRKl8/Ta2n1S9gLeI/AAAAAAAAMns/sW0ipRGrBVg/s1600/great-wall-of-china.jpg

So the tower is aware of my attack plans.

I wonder whether they're anticipating that spanking?

I'm not sure how to feel right now however given that the DW doc is showing on BBC 4 right now it's a good time to urge the inclusion of as much DW material on this box as possible, please!!!!! I know, the artwork's at the printers', the CDs are at the pressing plant … but how's about slipping an unlisted bonus CD in the box? :-)

Phil Cohen: All right. Enough is enough. This is the final, the - the very, very last straw! Who's responsible for this? This... I demand that you show yourself! Who are you? Huh?
(Camera zooms out to reveal Andrew G. Doe)
Andrew G. Doe: Heh, heh! Ain't I a stinker?

Are Capitol Records, The Beach Boys & Mark Linett still attempting to complete the box set, or has the project been abandoned due to an inability to get unanimous approval for the track listing?

The reality is that we don't know.

Contrast this with another box set that was supposed to be released in 2012, and wasn't. "The Small Faces-Here Comes The Nice" 5-CD set failed to appear, but, at least, that set's compiler DID recently issue a statement, so that the group's fans would know that he was still attempting to complete the project, and had recently mastered 2 of the 5 discs.

With each passing month, season & year the potential market for this box set will shrink. Mainstream Beach Boys CD consumers(I.E. not the hard core fans that populate forums such as this one) have probably long ago forgotten that Capitol ever floated the possibility of a box set via the December 2011 press statement. Capitol permitted the proposed box set to disappear from consumers consciousness. ( I am refering to mainstream Beach Boys CD consumers). Amongst those mainstream Beach Boys CD consumers, any thoughts (or desires) for a box set long ago faded away.

Phil, do you bet the Don't Pass line at the craps table?  You are the biggest buzzkill, pessimist I've ever seen online.  Just sayin'. ;D

Phil, If insiders are making fun of you for your posts about box set, that is the hint you need that the box is on target for release pretty soon. The fans will buy the box no matter when because the BBs are America's band with a huge following both hardcore and causal.

Who the hell are these beach boys you all keep talking about in this thread?

See people! This persons gone so long without hearing anything about the Beach Boys touring, releasing new music or re-issuing old albums that he's forgot who they actually are! and on a Beach Boys forum nonetheless! This is a clear sign Capitol needs to get the boxset out before the whole world forgets about them! Quick Capitol HURRY UP!!!!!

Proof that those fans that are not dying off, are going senile!

Phils right. Get product out Capitol.

I get a little chill when I realize that the Tower is reading my thoughts. Is there nowhere to hide?

I wonder if they're as good as Oasis.

Phil's oasis of silence?

Hehe  :lol -

when I started this thread, in jest of course, I never thought it would make 3 pages, let alone the current 11. It's become some sort of love baby for me, because there are quite a lot of funny things in it (thanks folks) and of course, our employee of the year, the esteemed mr Phil Cohen Esq., saw fit to present his much-valued views on the whole matter.

Well, my urgent plea towards Capitol Records still stands (see first post).

Some of we do.

 :lol intelligent and very funny!

 :lol

Why should we have to beg, plead with, pressure or twist the arms of the folks at Capitol to get them release this box set? It seems appropriate to use the popular South Florida expression "No Way, Jose!"  Capitol Records & The Beach Boys should be happy, agreeable & cooperative to sell this product to us. If they don't want to sell it, it is their loss.

I know that some of you people sincerely believe that the release of this box set is imminent after the first of the year. Obviously, it isn't imminent, or Amazon.com and other dealers would be listing the product and accepting preorders......but they aren't.

We don't. We just wait. Like we did for the Smile box. Remember, the one they weren't going to release, not never, ever ?

Because, despite being very good, the Small Faces don't enjoy nearly as large a following as The Beach Boys. Also the Beach Boys have obviously been around much longer and have recently had a high profile successful tour and album. The incentive to release a box in these times has never been bigger. The details on when it will be released and what will be on it may temporarily delay its release (keeping in mind how much material has been released including last year's Smile). In other words, just let time bring us closer to it. It's sure to sell a million units in January, eh?  :p

has to be done one last time....



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Oh my god. AGD is speaking in tongues

And Shady is speaking in useless drivel!

Well, the wait for "Smile" extended from January 1966 until November 2011. That's what? 45 years. If The Beach Boys box set is postponed for a similar length of time, neither Mr.Doe nor I will be alive to hear it. We're both 56 now.

I can just imagine (in 2057) on digital microchip: "The Beach Boys-The Made in California Box Set Sessions" with a special bonus selection of leftover tracks from the 2012 reunion sessions(completed with overdubs by The Beach Boys' grandchildren)

The post is based on the false premise that TSS is Smile.

The Professor feels like he has has stumbled into an existential play in this thread; is there any evidence from an official source that the BB are releasing a boxed set beyond that initial, pre-tour notice, which was never precise an dabout which we have heard nothing.

No exit as I see it; I am trapped with you all here.

Can't get anything right these days, can ya ? I'm 57.  :old

(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/159/325/1262055260350.jpg)

only until your birthday...

Hey everybody,

Calm down!

The box is coming!

Beach Boys product usually comes out toward the holidays or gearing up for the summer. Makes sense. Let's hold off guessing until spring time!

Best,

Donny

I'm chill. I know the box is coming. I just like taking the piss. And easy targets.  ;D

But years of wisdom has made you patient.
This is virtue unheard of amongst the grovelling masses which are the general Beach Boys fandom (myself included). Can't they at least put out the track list so we can rant about that instead of Phil's nostradamic antics???

I'm anxious about it too, but it's just business ... and it's THE BEACH BOYS. Let's face it !

This box is probably the last MAJOR release from the group (hopefully not, maybe we'll get that all-analog, '60s style rock n roll record ... a man can dream) ... they'll do it right.

Who the tuck is begging, pleading, pressurising, or arm-twisting?

There you go again, speaking for a majority of zip.

Please don't assume to speak for the fans. The fans are here on this board, waiting patiently, excited at the prospect of what is to come - at the prospect of what we have confidence will come.

Every now and then our nemesis raises his pessimism-ridden arse off his sofa to go on line and cast his shroud-like cloud of doom on these pages in the hope of blocking out the light.

Please, align yourself with the true majority of happy expectant fans - you're a knowledgable intelligent bloke - or go find some fellow misery vendors on another site. Your apparent goal of getting us a bad name is just making you look a plonker.

Rant over.

Yes, I believe you have it correct. The "Child Of Winter" release policy is the best one, and bodes for the best collectibility.

I took a piss an hour ago and about an hour before that.  That Sierra Nevada Celebration Ale beer will do it to ya every time!

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But the typical, general public CD consumer(the people that "50 Big Ones" was aimed at) long ago forgot that Capitol was promising a box set...if they even cared. Capitol lost those people as potential consumers for a box set.

Which means that you have less time(than I do) to wait for this mythical CD box set.

So when it appears, it'll be as fresh to them as it would ever have been. if I was mean I'd suggest you go play in the road but I'm not.

No.

Contradicted yerself there. The people 50 Big Ones was aimed at - Mr. & Mrs. Joe Q. Public - are, by your own definition, not in the demographic for the box. They wouldn't buy it - they're happy with 50 of the 'best'. Ergo, no loss. Capitol knows what it's doing, that the target audience for the box will have patience. They also enjoy driving you to distraction.

So the longer he bangs his head against a jelly wall, the longer it's held back?

What say Smiley Black Ops take him out?

Meanwhile in the Tower there is some executive pulling the strings, making sure that whichever he pulls will antagonise Phil Cohen the most.



DANCE YOU PUPPETS!!!

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The box set, whatever it could have been, and our attempts to extract it from a reluctant Capitol Records, are, essentially a spent force.

This box set is not worth our effort.

Go home, Phil.

Then quit! Wonderful!

Please don't use "our". Your skewed thoughts certainly don't represent my own.

 :lol

"Take out a subscription to the Times and cancel it at once!" (Wolf J. Flywheel)

Cohen, last warning - don't ever assume you speak for me, or for anyone else on this board except for yourself. Remember, you're a proven bootlegger and I'm sure both BRI and Capitol would be most interested to have the full gen on you. Then you'll know the meaning of the phrase "spent force".

Mr Boyd, thank you for YOUR efforts and those of your colleagues and friends.

99.9% of us here appreciate them and are grateful.

Surf's up!

Why do you keep harping on your allegation that I'm a so-called "Bootlegger". I didn't originate the so-called bootlegging of any of the material in question. All of it traced it's origins to existing bootlegs by "Sea of Tunes", "Vigotone" and other (now-defunct) bootleg labels. All I did was cut out the filler material, and enhance the sound quality a bit.  I've never monetarily profited in any way. And subsequent to the official release of "The Smile Sessions", the website in question no longer (to my knowledge) offers any Beach Boys material.

add me to that 99.9% as well Mr Boyd!!
Your efforts are very much appreciated!   ;D

You have been directly involved in the unauthorized distribution of copyrighted, unreleased material via the Big O site, and not just by The Beach Boys. If that's not bootlegging, I don't know what is. Very thin ice.

I'm interested in finding out who are all these people PhilCohen is speaking for, are they invisible per chance?

Mr.Doe, I'm appalled by your holier-than-thou attitude. Are you to claim ,that during the decades before the release of the "Smile Sessions" box, that you never bought or listened to a "Smile" bootleg? On the other hand, my motive was noble: After spending $2200 on unofficial Beach Boys CD's in the 1990's, and finding that the occasional bits of quality music were surrounded by hours of breakdown takes, false starts and other useless filler, I wanted to spare other fans from grossly overpaying for this material.

That doesn't make it legal....

And Mr.Doe, I have never been "directly involved". I have never owned or operated a website or ever uploaded as much as one note of music onto the internet.

And remember, this thread is about the proposed box set. Let's go back to the subject of this thread.

Hey Phil, I'd love to know more about the "tape from California" that you mentioned in the notes that accompanied your BigO Smile collection. Did you refer to it as better sound or a better source of some such? I hope that material was offered up for the official TSS set!

It was a cassette from a fellow collector which contained sources for "Holidays" & "Barnyard" better than those that were then in circulation on unofficial CD. The tracks have now been offered with even better quality on "The Smile Sessions" from Capitol.

This is nonsense. Let's be honest. I doubt many of the people that read the press release that announced the reunion last year have an opinion one way or the other about a Beach Boys box set. Some people might have gotten interested, and their interest will still likely be piqued when details on it are announced. I highly doubt that people who were interested in rare and unreleased Beach Boys material suddenly decided they didn't care anymore because the box set isn't out yet. What is more likely is that they have a lot of Beach Boys material to listen to, including The SMiLE Sessions, Fifty Big Ones, and the 12 remasters amongst other things. And they also probably listen to other music too. So when that box set does come out, it will be a cherry on top of their musical collection - not the entire meal.

Am I bummed that the set hasn't came out yet? Sure. But guess what? It'll be out soon enough and I have a lot of music to enjoy as it is right now. No use in being bummed out about something I can't control. Plus, let's be honest. Do you have any interest in music, really? I never see you comment in any of the other threads on this site, because all you seem to care about is "product". If you would be so inclined, Mr. Cohen, just so you can prove that you even like The Beach Boys, could you tell us what your favorite song on Sunflower is, and why? I'm not sure you could do that, because I find it hard to believe you even enjoy music. It's just some OCD collector's insanity that you have.


Phil, please spare us your attempt at trying to convey yourself as some kind of hero. Bootleggers are not heroes. Surely I'm happy that I've gotten to hear a bunch of great material that I wouldn't have heard earlier via bootleg, but you're not this great person because you help organize bootleg material.

...and here I am (somewhat compulsively) sitting in front of this computer screen jousting with Mr.Doe, when I have an enormous backlog of yet-to-be-played CD's & DVD's. I should just go and listen to and watch this stack of hundreds of discs. That's what I'm going to do. I could listen to CD's through my computer speakers, but I'd rather listen to them through a full-sized Hifi/home theater system, which is in another part of my home.

In reality, barring possible future archival releases by Jimi Hendrix, Pink Floyd, Paul McCartney, Small Faces,The Beatles, The Rolling Stones & The Beach Boys, there's not really much more that I want. All this internet crap is taking my time; time that could be used to enjoy my existing collection. Many of the other artists that I collect have scraped the bottom of the barrel, largely emptying their vaults. I'm nearing the end of the road on a music collecting hobby that started around the time when The Beatles released "Revolver" in 1966.

Bootleggers (as opposed to counterfeiters) are indeed heroes. Their efforts kept interest in Beatles outtakes & Beach Boys "Smile" recordings alive for so many years. "The Beatles Anthology" series & "The Beach Boys-The Smile Sessions" would never have happened if bootleggers had not proven that there was a market for these outtakes

Agree that bootleggers' output maintained interest in such but do you honestly think that was their motive or merely a byproduct of their nefarious desire to line their own pockets by trading stolen material?

My favorite track on "Sunflower" is "This Whole World", because of the melody, harmonies & arrangement. My favorite Beach Boys track overall, is (oddly) "Girls on The Beach" because of the astonishing way that the voices handle the numerous key changes.

Don't be a martyr. No one is asking you to be doing this. No one wants you to be doing this!
 
When you took your leave, for a while there we had a fairly normal thread with discussion about the MUSIC that would be on this set, anticipation about WHEN it would come out, and not IF.

You have the gift of being able to have a collection of fine music, like so many of us here, so go enjoy it. Why can't you just post here about your favorite Beach Boys music? You couldn't even answer the question posed above somewhere - let's have it - what's your favorite song on Sunflower, and why? How does this music make you feel? THAT'S what it's all about, not posting insanely stupid missives at Capitol like they owe you a favor.

(edit: I see the answer right above. Hey, good for you!)

Enough is enough. I don't think you're a troll (and if you are, you're a damn good one!), but rather, just a very misguided soul who needs some help. And you won't find it by keep posting what you're posting. Please, please, please....stop.

It was mainly attempts to restrict bootleggers' access to CD pressing plants that caused the disc prices to be so high. And, in the 21st century many of the bootleg CD labels are being hurt by downloading, in the very same way that the official labels are. There is no longer any money to be made on bootleg CD's. One bootlegger complained, that 3 weeks after he released a CD, it would be available on file sharing sites for free.

I would say this: the situation that we have now, where people can get permanently unreleased concerts & outtakes for free on the internet, is better for the industry than the 1990's heyday of $30-per disc bootlegs, because now no money(that could potentially be used to buy official CD's) is being syphoned away by bootleg CD sales.

It was a mistake to come back to the forum. If Capitol doesn't want to release The Beach Boys box set, then so be it.

Let's be friends
Let's be friends
Let's be friends

Capitol is now a subsidiary of Universal. There have been a number of mitigating  factors, including changes in some of the company staff overseeing product from The Beach Boys. Second, as anyone who has worked on a boxed sets already knows, it is a challenge to get group consensus as to what material will comprise such a set. The Pet sounds Set is an example of that. The Smile Box was relatively on schedule by comparison, which is often the exception rather than the rule. Ownership of some of the material may be an issue, as is finding best quality source tapes.

Thanks Mr.Reum for letting us know why the box set didn't happen. I guess that there's nothing more to say. End of story.

It doesn't mean that it's not happening. It has already been said that one of the reasons why it's delayed it's because the tracklist is still in progress.

That's interesting.

I guess at this point we should just hope the delay doesn't go on too long.

Damnit, Phil. I told you to go home.

Exactly. The thing is coming out, and a lot sooner than you''d realize (or care to believe). This is the same nonsense you pulled with TSS, and more than a year later, you still have not admitted you were wrong, nor will you. When the box set is released, it will be the same story.

May I suggest we just ignore Phil Cohen's posts. Don't feed the troll!

Does this mean you're done spouting your sadistic drivel!? :woot

Okay...enough is enough. I'm going to 'ban' Phil, not because I'm trying to be a dick, or because some board rules were broken (they weren't...being annoying is not a crime), but because obviously Phil has an unhealthy obsession with being pessimistic, to the point where it's obvious he cannot help himself . So before he gives himself  an ulcer, a heart attack, or worse, I'm pulling the plug. I will reinstate him upon the box set's release.

Okay then, back on topic:

I check the thread today, and guess who is apparently reading it?

Mr. Boyd

Not sure if he just logged in, or if it was a glitch, but the name was definitely in the "viewing this thread" bar!

Maybe he'll hurry things up for us? ;)

He posted earlier in this thread, responding to He Who Shalt Not Be Named.

Lord Voldemort?

Close enough :lol

Lord Phildemort

^ :lol

Now you're going too far. Voldemort was never this bad.

Snape will never kill Dumbledore. J.K. Rowling's been promising it, but she will never write it...mark my words

:lol

 :lol

Poor Phildemort. He wouldn't have been banned if he would have given up for the time being like Voldemort did near the end of Half Blood Prince.

Of course I've listened to, bought and been given archive material - everyone here has. Hell, even Blooies have.. But I've never passed it on to a download site, complete with liner notes and cover art. Irrespective of any potential profit, said material is copyrighted... and as I've pointed out, you've not restricted yourself to BB material. Best I stop there, I think.

Doubtful: Alan is no longer directly involved.

And that's a shame, for us.

Though I retain every confidence!

The detail's in the last remark. Very, very funny!  :lol

No Phil Cohens were harmed in the making of this thread.

 :lol

We're an eco-friendly bunch of anally obsessed outpatients, aren't we?

I wonder what Phil's thinking at the moment. Or perhaps he's indeed listenting attentively to all that unplayed music he has at home.

I have a hunched that his copy of TSS is still sealed. Don't know why...

Honest I can wait. First I hope there is a vinyl conponent of some sort and that can take time to do it right. Second I trust my mind will be blown whatever the format as there are some interesting things in the vaults.

I guess my heart goes out to those who have money set aside and just waiting to be spent on this box set. As for me, delay = more time to save my pennies and save my dimes for the box set. I mean, I hope it ends up on Spotify but I want to get it in physical form as well (I get the feeling that The Beach Boys vault will not be cleared out because of this and so I think purchasing this set will help give Capitol/The Beach Boys reason to release further b-sides and previously unreleased alternate takes, demos, etc. in the future beyond what's on MIC.)

Time for a couple of wishful thinking desires when it comes to the tracks on MIC..

In the category of things that I doubt every existed in the first place but would love to be proven wrong about and show up on the box: "Guess I'm Dumb" with Brian LV (surely, if such a thing existed I think it would have shown up a long time ago.)
And in the category of things that likely do exist but I (sadly) do not think will show up on the box: "A Day In The Life of the Tree" with Brian LV (even if its 'just' a demo rather than an alternate take)

I really hope will get some tracks on the set that help fill in that gap between Holland and 15 Big Ones (Caribou sessions, etc.) when it comes to Brian's voice. Hell, regardless of Brian vocals or not I'm just interested in hearing "You're Riding High On The Music" and so on.  :lol

Phil, when insiders start responding to your posts with  :lol, shouldn't you then realise that your claims are somewhat off base?

He probably thinks it's Capitol laughing at the fans' "plight".

Not to worry.  Apparently, Phil and AGD have gone over Reichenbach Falls.

As we all know, though, Holmes makes it back alive.  We'll be hearing from AGD before long!  :)

Cohen's gone. I will reinstate his account when the box set is released. And, whenever he tries to log in, he'll see a message stating his account will be reinstated when the box set is released.

BTW...nit pick...the word is actually supposed to be BOXED set, but that just looks weird. Old habits die hard.

Cohen's gone...
Cohen's gone away...
Gone away...
Like yesterday.

:lol

The Professor, for those who read him avidly, has observed this precise use of the past participle, but I am not so pedantic as to have commented on others' errors--until now. Now go get some "ice tea and pop corn."

My God, why do I keep opening this thread? It's like a compulsive disorder.

Same for me!

Pretty sure there is no getting through to Phil.  I don't think the guy is intentionally trying to give anyone a hard time; seems like he suffers from some sort of obsessive compulsive disorder.  In any case, I doubt the eventual release of the box set will make him eat his words. 

Perhaps if we all chip in to get him a fork and spoon?

Agreed....if the release of The Smile Sessions didn't phase him, no way Made In California will.

Actually, The Sheriff has observed that either BOX or BOXED set is correct. And I can't believe I took the time to make this post. Is MAKE this post acceptable?

sockittome is just wondering why everyone is all of the sudden referring to themselves in the third person.  He finds it a bit odd.   ;D

You're right. Or correct. Or right and correct. The Sheriff apologizes. :police:

Look fellas, some of our postings here may not be purely productive or concrete in terms of advancing the information, historical, commercial, or aesthetic about the BB boxed set, but it's a place to go in hope of seeing some detailed information about a collection of songs that will appear one day and that will doubtlessly bring many long years of deep aesthetic pleasure to all of us, so let's all forgive ourselves for what some might think is wasted time and effort.  I take it as a break between the mind-numbing (but rewarding) task of grading papers. One sure needs a delightful break between tasks that demand so much focus and attention and brain power. I do take comfort, as well, in the BB community, so thanks to you all for this sense of unity and artistic pleasure in the music, which is the telos of every thread, however it wanders.

A straw should cover it.

I was going to suggest an enema.

But he's already his own worst enema

:lol

Good night, sweet prince

.

I think so too, but he's not open to advice like getting treatment. There's nothing wrong with getting treatment anyway.

Thank you for your wise words, Professor, they bespeak an erudition and grasp of the scheme of things that is unsurpassed in academia. Perhaps not every member of hoi polloi will understand the deeper meaning of matters teleological, but with dear old Aristotle to back us up, we can enlighten such underprivileged folks and make them fully aware of the many artistic merits of the group of musicians this site is dedicated to. I now must devote my own attention again to neuroscientific problems, and brain porn. Yes, brain porn, and I did not coin this term.

I may be slightly off base here, but I have a feeling that the hysterical laughter lately heard wafting from the upper floors of the Capitol Tower was in response to Cohen's post about the box(ed) set not being worth "our" effort. I had no idea he was so intimately involved in the audio research, transferring, processing, editing and art work of this 'mythical' artefact. I may have to apologise fulsomely when I see the credits list.

Nah, probably not. :D

You mean:

composed, arranged, directed, mastered, edited, stereofied, and generally overseen by P. Cohen, who also wrote additional lyrics and spoken interludes, and drew plus photographed and photoshopped all graphics for this boxed set to end all boxed sets?

Could be. It's the Beach Boys, you know.

Double bluff. Gotcha.

Maybe time we lay off riling Phil… it's more fun when he can answer back, anyway!

This would be the ideal time for Capitol to let something slip out, just a word, to get us drooling while Phil's in solitary (hint hint…)

Just called my friends at the Tower, and the word is...

"Sasquatch".

 ???

(private joke)

I hope they dedicate the box to Phil.

The Man Who Wasn't There.

Sasquatch From Baltimore, Sasquatch Feeling, or Wouldn't It Be Nice To Sasquatch Again?

This'll keep me up all night…

I hate to pile on Phil, but I was on Amazon looking at reviews of the Jimi Hendrix box set, West Coast Seattle Boy*, and I noticed a review by one Philip A. Cohen. So I clicked on his name and saw he wrote a review of Brian's album What I Really Want For Christmas. He rants about  And therein, I read this gem:

"...the end result will be that the commercial and artistic resurgence of Brian Wilson will have been ended by Arista Records' greed.Arista Records has ended Brian Wilson's recording career,but not to worry;there's a lot more Beach Boys audio & video archival material in the vaults,and Wilson recently indicated that he will permit further vault projects."

So apparently Arista Records ended Brian's recording career. The recording and release of great stuff like That's Lucky Old Sun and That's Why God Made The Radio were nothing but a mirage I guess. Honestly, reading this kinda stuff is sad though. I don't wanna overdo it, but it really does seem as though Phil has some kind of emotional issues. And where it was kinda funny, after reading stuff like this, it's pretty sad.

*In his defense though, the review of the Hendrix box set is super informative.

He mentioned in a previous thread that he has found it impossible to enjoy music anymore - he's just burnt out on it. My guess is that he just vents his frustration with this by irritating the people who can still enjoy music.

Though I take pleasure in reading/participating-in the rants against Phil, I do feel bad for the guy.

I burned out on folk music several years ago by attending every gig I could reach during an 18-day folk fest. Couldn't listen to the stuff for aeons.

I am glad that the release date has been pushed back until after Xmas. Here's a list of BB related purchases I made this last year:

- TSS Box set
- Stebbins' FAQ book
- 2 tickets for very nice seats to see them at Red Rocks Amphitheater (Red Rocks Casino in Las Vegas, not CO)
- TWGMTR cd
- Target exclusive TWGMTR vinyl single with t-shirt
- Mike's 50 Sides Of book

I make very little from my current job and need to make it through Xmas. Due to budget concerns I was unable to purchase these:

- Any of the Greatest Hits packages (I already have several of these)
- The Mono/Stereo remasters (those will have to wait)
- Record Store Day purchases
- WalMart Zinepack (still plenty of them sitting there in WalMart and only one new remake of DIA)
- Merchandise from the concert (my wife and I could only afford one draft beer and milked it through the entire 1st set)
- Those dvds (I'm trying to hold up for a full concert but since that might be an archival release 10+ years from now I might pick them both up anyway)

I'll wait. Last year TSS box came out in November and I had to wait until February this year to afford it. And it will probably be February 2013 when I can afford MIC box. Whenever I spend that kind of money on myself I have to get my wife and son something of equal value as well besides (you know) live.

In closing this post I have a question. Somehow I must have missed this:

If Alan Boyd is not directly involved with this box, who is in charge?

;)

While you are waiting for the box, take a listen to the "Ledge"........http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F152Gv0haE8

Obviously had a heavy influence on The Edge.

Quality of the video obviously wasn't very good, but I think the ledge was actually Stan Love in his bondage outfit

My wallet is also happy to wait till after Christmas for MIC.

Whenever MIC comes, my guess is it will be pretty freaking amazin'.  I'm happy to wait as I am still working thru the remasters.

At this point, I am more interested in hearing when "The Boys" will be back in the studio, recording.  They should get in there Jan. 2, 2013.  Time's a-wastin'!!!!

Back to the studio, boys!

If the release isn't further delayed from the January date, I'd have to imagine we'd be seeing something soon?

If they make an announcement before Christmas, people can prepare to use use the gift cards/certificates/etc they get over the holidays to use on the set. Ca-ching!

Yes, as you all know, this si the professor's focus too; they have so much more inspiration in them, I am sure, and even the rough  spots in the last few month of tension merit a new Brian and Mike song; I am sure they are pregnant with compositions and lyrics, and they need each other to bring it all to fruition. The news , if it were to come, they they themselves agree and are in the studio again is all I want for Christmas.

Ummm... no.

It isn't fun anyway, and with Phil it becomes really annoying. And endless.

The fun thing is, if the box does not appear, he's banned forever! ;D

How about... Capitol releases it (as they will, rest assured) but no-one tells him ?

Yes. I saw the grand irony in the moderators' decision too... sly and incredibly funny...

You mean that he'll be listening to Hendrix with his cans on for the rest of his life?

Could be.

I believe the phrase is "hoist by your own petard". :)

Since its the holliday season, I found a gift for Phil.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/321032663343?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

I think he's the seller, actually.

Those were really nice!  Wish I hadn't worn mine so often that it wasted away

I aim to please ^_^

You are Luther and I claim my $ 1,00.

Might buy it myself because it looks comfortable to wear.

nah... Just your friendly neighborhood Billy lol

 :lol thing is: our own Luther (and he's a really generous guy, I can attest to that) used exactly the same phrasing as you did, in a different context.

  I was wondering if  sasquatch slide- I mean   I'm going sasquatchs way is going to be included i on the upcoming boxed set ?

Missing this thread already… was about to fall off the page.

Gotta be news soon, right?

Well, here's some hopeful (?) news.

Fleetwood Mac's Rumours reissue is coming in January and was just announced. So I suppose if they announce relatively soon, that Made in California could be coming soon too.

And now that I think of it, maybe one of the reasons that the box set has been pushed back: could they possibly be playing a few shows next year, which would help sell the box? Therefore, waiting to release the box until around the time they might get together? I have no inside knowledge or anything, but after thinking about how Fleetwood Mac is reissuing Rumours to coincide with their tour, maybe The Beach Boys are thinking along the same lines?

The Rumours set has me puzzled. I've owned a Deluxe edition for a few years… how will the new set be any different?

I've heard the same thing...


Not confirmed, though, but at least not denied! :D

More stuff.  :)

Here's a thread on it, including the track list.

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/fleetwood-mac-rumours-reissue-tracklisting-s.303555/

Thanks for that. Suspect the 2cd from 04 is sufficient - that new set seems like overkill.

I don't wanna hi-jack this thread and make it about the Mac, although that would be a bit more sensible than Oasis. But anyways.

I think even if you don't want the box, which I don't think I do, the 3 cd set might be nice. I'm interested to see how the remaster sounds, and a lot of the bonus tracks do interest me. I'm most intrigued about the "acoustic duet" versions of "Never Going Back Again" and "Doesn't Anything Last". I'm also excited to hear "Keep Me There" with vocals. For those who don't know, "The Chain" grew out of "Keep Me There". My only real disappointment with the set is they didn't put stuff like the '77 live versions of "Station Man" and "Tell Me All The Things You Do" on there. They never released the Buckingham Nicks era versions of those songs and I think this is a missed opportunity.

I do have to say though that I think it is great that they made the 3 disc version the one with the live disc and the disc of outtakes that aren't on the 2004 version. For once, the band/label handled something like that with some sense.

Agree with that latter post - those treasures do sound good, thank you.

so
WHERE
is
it

???

Over there... no, over there... oh, no, it's here - look, isn't it pretty ?  ;D

Considering the thing is rumored to come out next month, it would be nice to get something concrete about this actually getting released.  Is Phil actually right for once????   :o

No, he's not.

It'll for sure come out eventually - but is the release date still aimed at (selling a million units in) January, or has it been pushed back?

What I'm waiting for is the Doors 5 cd box set of the L.A. Woman sessions.  8)

The Made in California set is on track for release after the New Year. Probably early Spring. It will be worth the wait.

Now that's what I call a reassuring endorsement! Many thanks Peter!

So, June.

Not if '(Wouldn't It Be Nice To) Live Again' isn't on it it won't have been...

Why not wait and see ?

My eagerness will be tested, my wallet will appreciate the extra time.

So you wouldn't settle for the 1974 demo of California Feeling*? Or any other recordings of Brian from the same period?



*This is meant as purely a hypothetical statement, and does not to reflect on anything that may or may not be released on said box(ed) set.

Some folk would want both. Who knows, they may be delighted, or disappointed. We'll see, in time.

'Course, once the box is released Eeyore will be freed from the Cohen of Silence, and I'm not entirely sure that's a reasonable trade off...

I half-want the box to contain about 300 unreleased tracks, but still not Wouldn't It Be Nice To Live Again, just because the obsession with that track, usually by people who've never heard it, seems so over-the-top.

Even better if they have two live versions of Wouldn't It Be Nice, one labelled Wouldn't It Be Nice (Live) and the other Wouldn't It Be Nice (Live Again).

Or maybe Wouldn't it be Nice 2 (Live Again).

Anyway, Peter's post is very encouraging news.

Thanx for the update, Peter!

Hope to hear "Carry Me Home" on there as well!

Yes, thank you Peter. The professor's list of queries and anticipations seems to be making headway. Have you all seen and noted the posting under "Goldmine"/ ESQ thread where the ESQ editor suggests we "bet on" the BB being back in the studio next year? Does anyone have more information or some confirmation (in as much as such a notion can be confirmed).

In short: No.

Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE to hear those tracks, but there is no single track in the vaults i want to hear more than WIBNTLA, and such is the clamour amongst so many other fans also desperately wanting to hear it, it'd just be nothing short of perverse for it not to be included on the box. Willfully provocative almost. If WIBNTLA wasn't on the box i'd be utterly, absolutely dejected - no matter what else we were given instead. 

A previous poster's comment that he'd almost like the song not to be included because of all the endless hype around it was stupid in the extreme - I'm fairly certain he wouldn't feel the same way if this was a Brian track we were discussing.   

I'd love to hear and own Wouldn't It Be Nice To Live Again as well. There has been an insane amount of hype around it, tho, and that type of thing is a setup for disappointment. Not that the track wouldn't be incredible, I'm sure it is, but nothing can stand up to the type of anticipation that has been set up.
Also, there is a reason why some folks would be more excited about an unreleased Brian Wilson song versus an unreleased Dennis Wilson song. Me, I'll take both.

At least it's not totally mysterious - we have a version that is said to be very authentic to the original recording (Adam Marsland) - all of us have heard what this song sounds like, and can imagine it in our heads as being sung by Dennis with Brian + Carl backing vox. Yeah, we've built it up, but how could it not be insanely great?

I'm with Ian here. I'd like to own a copy of "Live Again" just as much as the next guy, but I am unabashedly more of a Brian Wilson fan then a Dennis Wilson fan, so I'm kinda more excited to hear stuff like the "Where Is She" and the 1974 "California Feelin'". If that bugs somebody, then I'm sorry. Maybe "Live Again" will exceed everybody's expectations and it will be a favorite of the all on this board. Or it might just be something I file along with "Cuddle Up" and listen to every so often and enjoy.

No reason it should bug anybody; hopefully we will all be satisfied.  I would also call myself more of a Brian Wilson fan than a Dennis Wilson fan, but am more excited for "Live Again" than, say, the 1974 version of "California Feelin'" because I already heard several versions of the latter song, and while I don't doubt that the 1974 demo is superior to them, I have no Dennis Wilson recordings of "Live Again" at all.  Furthermore, I don't think "California Feelin'" is among Brian's greatest work, whereas most reports of "Live Again" put it with Dennis' greatest songwriting work and also say that it's his best lead vocal.

I have to hear 74 CF just for the fact it is Brian's last ever vocal before his voice permanently changed.

Actually wasn't the 1975 version of "In The Back Of My Mind" the last recorded instance of the the classic voice and the first recorded instance of the new voice. I'd like hear this, btu "California Feelin'" is much higher on my list of "must hear's".

I'd have exactly the same attitude no matter what the song was. People are saying that if one track they've not heard isn't on the box set, then all the other tracks they've not heard, the names of which they don't even know, must be worthless.

No record could possibly ever live up to the hype that's built up around that track. I've no doubt it's good, but I bet at least half the people who are saying that no release could possibly be worth having without it would say, if it gets released, that it's not much good. People are building up a fantasy because as long as it remains unreleased they can imagine that it's perfect.

Give them the world, and they want the moon...

That's what Smile is about as well, but that is fine, because we'll never really hear it, so it will always remain perfect in each person's conception of it.

The Adam Marsland version is incredible in its own right.
If its even a little bit better, it's basically Dennis' Surf's Up.

I've actually lowered the pitch on the live recording to the
original to see what it's like, it's really REALLY good.
Easily the best Dennis BB track (and probably better then most of POB)

Look, my thoughts on WIBNTLA are this: both AGD and Jon Stebbins - both of whom have of course heard it - are both on record as stating that it is the single greatest unreleased Beach Boys track in the vaults. They don't say this about Where Is She, or California Feelin', or any other song, they say this about WIBNTLA. And generally i assume these two know what they are talking about.

Yes, Brian was the greatest songwriter in the band, period. Of course he was. But that doesn't mean every single song he wrote is automatically better than songs by the rest of the group, and an unreleased song by Brian isn't particuarly likely to be better than an unreleased song by Dennis.

As for the hype, who cares? The thought of not wanting to hear a song because it's had a lot of hype seems bonkers to me. Are people really that easily disappointed? Don't be so easily swayed.

Oh, and how's this for restraint? I've got the Adam Marsland CD but i've never, ever listened to WIBNTLA. Seriously. Because i want it to be that when i hear the original version on the boxset (I'm keeping faith it'll be on there), i want that to be the first time i hear it, so it can be totally fresh and surprising. So not everyone's heard a version of WIBNTLA yet, some of us are pointedly holding out for the original. And that is why i don't want to just settle for another version of California Feelin'...

No-one except you has said anything about Brian songs being better. You're arguing with a straw man.

And yes, both AGD and Jon have said it's the best unreleased song left -- but while that's certainly suggestive, neither of them have perfect aesthetic judgement, any more than anyone else does.

Whoever puts the box set tracklist together will have heard the song -- and all the other songs available to them -- and will be making a judgement based on what works. I see no reason why their judgement, with the full information available to them, should actually be *worse* than that of someone who hasn't heard the music in question.

It makes perfect sense for someone who's heard the track to push for its release -- they've heard it, they know if it's any good by their own standards. But for someone who's not heard it, and not heard anything else that hasn't been booted, to say "I don't care if the people who've heard those songs think tracks X, Y and Z are more worthy of release, I want this track and won't buy the others"... that just seems daft to me.

My good man, I beg to differ: my aesthetic judgement is fucking impeccable - am I not a long-time champion of Looking Back With Love ?  I rest my case.  :old

That's how I feel about it as well. That is, thanks to the Adam-Evie version, we can pretty much fill in the blanks in our heads as to what it will sound like, considering the era that it was recorded and the players involved. It's a great DW-SS collaboration, with a classic, infectious melody and lyrics, so it would have to be pretty awful in execution for me to be disappointed with it (which I seriously doubt, courtesy of the detailed descriptions that we already have and considering the era again). Ultimately, it doesn't need to be the greatest thing since sliced bread to squash any "hype" for me. Just another solid piece of the BBs-Dennis puzzle in that place in time, which from all indications, it is in spades.

Also, my gut feeling is that it will be released on the upcoming box. With the recent remasters not going the bonus track route, this is the best place for it to be, and frankly, the most enticing place where the band can put it. I'm sure the powers-that-be aren't stupid in their realization that it's the rarities that are going to attract most fans into shelling out the big bucks for this set in a tough economy, and they're going to need a prime Dennis rarity or three to help fill that requirement. The fact that we came within an inch of having the recording released a decade ago tells me that there's no good reason not to release it, nor is the band necessarily averse to the idea. And unlike the fact that it was nixed from Summer Love Songs, I don't think it will be an either-or type scenario with the box here due to the space at hand. Like I said, if they're looking for Dennis rarities, as well as acclaim for the set, why not put their best foot forward? It serves them *all* well in the end - both artistically and financially. The hardcore fan base isn't getting any younger, and as we sadly just found out again, the kind of audience that wants to savor and appreciate this track isn't going to be around forever. On that note, I know the track was played at fan gatherings; I just truly hope Les got a chance to properly soak it all in, in nice quality, before his untimely passing. Forever indeed.


Now, if internal politics or some greater master plan trump all of the above, there better be damned good reason (IMNSHO). As someone else implied, it would seem awfully contemptuous at this point not to include it. Frankly, I just can't believe that would happen (or don't want to believe it). Most likely, this is going to be the last, all-encompassing career overview that the band ever does. Make it count, check egos and any past history, and make it the best. And again, due to the delay, all indications are that this is exactly what they are doing.


PS - My other big "fear," a few months back and considering its potential, was that the reunited band would dismantle the track and attempt to re-cook it into a "new" studio song. I still hope that idea never comes to pass -- namely if it translates into the original track being deep-sixed 'til the end of time. Though, I think it would be a great dream to have the band be in some kind of position to play the track *live* one day. In fact, that actually sounds like a not-half-bad way to promote the box and as another tribute to the original band. Best of all worlds. :)

Well you're being deliberately disingenuous there - no no-one said it exactly as you've written it there, but many people did imply it heavily, saying basically that surely having some unreleased Brian stuff instead would be as good, if not better.

The inclusion of WIBNTLA would make a ton of fans very happy. With the box being 6 discs, I'd be very surprised if it wasn't included on here.

Something else, that's less likely, I'm really hoping for is a studio version of SOS with Carl's lead vocals. I've been thinking about it ever since it was brought up in another thread. It's a given hit songs will be on the box but to have a different takes or versions of some of those hits would be extremely cool.

Prepare to be disappointed: this is not known to exist in the BRI archive (if indeed it exists at all: the evidence for both sides is equivocal), and it's widely believed that Carl's vocal take was recorded over by Blondie.

Thanks for the info Andrew and no disappointment here (wasn't honestly expecting it to show up).

The odds of it showing up are slim. Wasn't Al completely unaware of the songs existence

Refresh my memory, Andrew.  Did Mr. Desper say something about maybe having a copy of "Sail on, Sailor" featuring Carl tucked away in storage?  Maybe a rehearsal version?  I can't recall, specifically, but I imagine you may.  At the least, I believe he raved about Carl's singing on the song live.

As much of a fan of Brians writing that I am, im more of a fan of Brians voice from 1967 through 1980. It could be him heavily coked up singing Afternoon Delight and I'd still want to hear it.

We can't wait for June!!! ;D

Those were the exact same words that(I believe) Jon Stebbins quoted in the thead about the announcment of the concert guide book. Having the box set released at the same time of the concert guide book would be rather awesome, actually.  ;D

Note I qualified my comment with "in the BRI archive". SWD has stated here several times that he has a copy in his personal storage facility with Carl singing lead and I'm not going to dispute that as I don't have the key !  However, purely on a timeline basis, I'm finding it hard to square his comments about  mixing Carl singing it live in concert with his departure from the BB's employ in late 1971, as the first documented live performance was March 31st 1973 in South Bend, Indiana, shortly after it was released as a single.

What on earth has Al's awareness or otherwise of a songs existence got to do with whether or not it'll be released? I'm fairly certain Al was waking up every morning humming away A Time To Live In Dreams or Barbara prior to their releases either...

Recently I've been having high hopes for 'Carry Me Home' on the box. Anyone know why this wasnt included over, say, Only With You or We Got Love (which was originally intended to be included? Could the LP's back then have room for Carry Me Home or was the space to limited? Where the other members jealous of Dennis' significant contributions?

Carry Me Home is interesting and I like it myself but maybe it would hit too close to the bone for Brian.

Pardon my ignorance, but why do you say that?

I see.  Yes, this is pretty much as I remember it.  Thank you for your reply.

ps. I did note the BRI comment to myself, which is, in fact, the very thing which caused me ask about Mr. Desper, specifically.  Shame there hasn't come a time where representatives from BRI and Stephen have come together to see if there's anything of interest which Stephen may wish to contribute to the archives of BRI.  What do I know, though?  Perhaps this conversation has, in fact, already taken place.  One thing I do know, though, is that if Stephen and BRI are ever inclined to make such an existing copy of "Sail on, Sailor" available publicily, it would be the realization of one of my personal musical desires!

Some of the lyrics are "please God, don't let me die" and "don't wanna die", sung by Dennis.

I'd thought it was on record that certain group members had complained that the song was 'too down'. Ignoring presumably in the process that the song was an absolute masterpiece... If there's any justice in the world we'll just have Carry Me Home AND Wouldnt It Be Nice To Live Again on the boxset. I mean, really, why not???

Dennis felt it was a bit of a downer, think there is a quote about this in Timothy White's book, I really hope it gets a proper release.

The song contains the lyrics 'The rain's falling down on me, the wind is growing cold, my eyes are getting tired, I guess I won't grow old' - the last line turned out to be true sadly.

Any chance of getting "I've got a friend" version on the box set, live and/or backing track?

"Carry Me Home" may be a bit of a downer, but's an absolutely beautiful piece of artistic work.  I really hope it gets it's deserved release.

Same chance as any archive track. It's known to exist, it's logged in the BRI vault inventory. Just has to take its chance with the other stuff. As it's just a track, and there's no known professionally recorded live version, I'm thinking not.

It's sad that Dennis' share was sold off and that there's no-one representing him pushing for more of his stuff to be released. His songs almost never disappoint. I heard All Of My Love for the first time ever recently and it left my jaw hanging open in a way no other bootleg has done in a long time!

I don't know if this means anything but when they posted on the The Beach Boys facebook page about the christmas BB ball gift i commented on saying that i would have rather seen a news about Made In California, something like that, and they deleted the comment, i thought that was quite weird.

[cue Phil Cohen conspiracy theory]

I saw a comment on a BB fanpage months earlier who faced a similar situation. They asked about UK dates (before they were added) and they ended up getting temporarily banned from the BB official facebook page and their comment was deleted too.

Well, I think we fans need to back off a bit and stop making a fuss about how much we want this box set, 'cause, you know, we could jeopardize the whole thing and Capitol could decide not to release it.  ;D

I'm sure I'm not the first to say something like this but in the end, considering the band is called The Beach Boys and all the association the band has with that season between spring and fall, for a major release like MiC (especially, considering it may very well be the last major release from the Boys) it makes perfect sense for a summer release, I think.

Not that I would complain if it does show up in March.  :lol

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That makes sense. The demand is so high, we better not release it!

If they're looking at a date in say March/April for release, then I wouldn't expect a track list before February.

I may have to make up my own.

To get things started I'm gonna divide up the content and make a guess of how much material will go into each category.

I propose the following guess:

Category 1. Run of the mill, commonly available song, unremarkable, but likely remixed for this package.
Category 2. Run of the mill, commonly available song, but previously unreleased live recording of the song.
Category 3. Run of the mill, commonly available song, but alternate take, demo etc.
Category 4. Rare, but previously released song [or edit of song eg. a single mix], perhaps first time on CD.
Category 5. Previously unreleased song.

I'd be happy with about 2 discs worth of category 1, and about 1 disc for each of the other categories.

Any thoughts?