It looks like the cover was tweaked a bit for color correction and now it's slightly easier on the eyes.


New


Original

Much better.

Again, another video promo was posted. What are these videos promoting?                     https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EpIeyP8WKnI

They're promoting the fact that myKe luHv's throat is lined with sandpaper and still uses the well greased answers to the usual questions. And being the one to never f*ck with the formula, he drives home the positivity issue, the "I wrote that" issue, the bore ass Maharishi BS, and the who took what drugs lecture. Br00th was once again polishing myKe's shoes to a spit shine.

Every time you say myKe and Br00th you just come off like you have severe learning difficulties. I've seriously never seen anything so childish and pathetic on any other forum. You are a complete embarrassment and I long for the day you and your moronic partner are booted off to somewhere you can stroke each other off in private and the rest of us can actually have adult conversations in peace. The pair of you have such a drag factor on the overall IQ of the board it puts me and I suspect many others off visiting. I mean, congratulations on your great legacy of playground bullying septuganarians from behind a computer screen, that takes guts.

I dunno. The artwork for the digital-only releases last year were far worse-looking. They looked like experiments I did with home-made CD covers in the mid-late 90's, complete with the sort of Comic Sans Serif-ish font on the covers. Great work compiling those releases; I'm so grateful Alan Boyd and company did everything they could on that end. But they clearly had (and maybe still have) a pretty tiny budget for artwork for these things.

Good artwork can be done on a tiny budget, there's really no excuse for something as eye watering hideous as this. We're only talking about taking existing pictures and arranging them tastefully and adding a title.

The other sessions releases weren't being pressed as vinyl records either. If you're going to the trouble of putting it out on record, it would be nice if it was at least decent to look at.

That cover is fucking horrible. The colours...my God...it actually hurts to look at.

Sending much love to David, his family, friends and bandmates. It was a pleasure to finally meet him, say hello and watch him play those legendary licks that are known the world over. I hope he never forgets how admired and respected both the work and the man are.

Point ons. A known and published author who starts a thread with such a title , instead of, say, "Do you feel Mike Love's reputation is justified", is not asking for impartial comments but rather setting the agenda (which, having read the very poorly-written J&D blog, became entirely understandable), the outcome of which was utterly predictable. Or simply trolling.

Indeed, I'm not sure what about being a published author precludes Iain from trolling or posting deliberately antagonistic sh*t. We wouldn't be the first fan community he has baited.

  Carl on at least one occasion apologized to the audience for the lyrics to "Feel Flows" before playing it in concert, circa 1974.

That's kind of sad to hear. It's a great song.

No sign on either UK Spotify, or UK Play Store. BW's camp have really been doing a great job for us in Britain lately, huh?

For f***'s sake... 

Every print and electronic media source is subject to scrutiny and bias.

You say the story wasn't fact-checked - you know this for a fact? Uhhhh no you don't. I'd be hard pressed to believe the reporter (who again works for the most respected and well known and 2nd most circulated newspaper of all time) didn't call up Mike and/or fax the story over to give Mike the chance to deny it and tell his side of the story. That's how it's usually done when it comes to major newspapers. But great that you magically know this story wasn't fact-checked.

I still don't understand how Park's getting some trivial facts wrong on a few Twitter posts has anything to do with him recalling a story from 8 years prior.

Those twitter posts are apparently there to educate the public.  And, they are false. Those are two I picked up on because I've done some research in both areas.

And, I don't put too much stock in the LA Times.  They (the media) are subject to error and manipulation like ABC news and George Stephanopoulos, being a Clinton operative and donor to the Clinton foundation and still working the political beat. Unbiased? Not. I think it is naive to think the media is all on the level.

Again, you still aren't telling me what some trivial wrong facts from a few Twitter posts in 2014+ has to do with a newspaper article in the New York Times from the year 2000. You keep monotonously reiterating this Twitter argument without making a clear connection between the two.

As for your outlook on certain newspapers and news outlets, I couldn't care less what your opinion is about them. I see that Mike has never publicly denied this story, nor was the NYTs forced to the redact the story. And it's a pretty popular story that has circulated numerous times on this very board that Mike supposedly reads while he eats his Wheaties in the morning. So again, I'm hard pressed to believe that this is all a fabrication.

Whatever the story is, doesn't affect me.  So I don't care.

Posts #379, #382, #386, and #393 refute that.

Rab-he made two boo-boos in less than a week. He was called out on the Abner Doubleday on his twitter. I'm won't be joining twitter to joust with him.  He can't even tell you what his lyrics mean. Fans wondered for decades, what do they mean. It is not unimportant.

Where is the cred of a lyricist who cannot explain his work? Writers can generally tell where their imagery is coming from or what inspired them. He can't.

That is three strikes in my book!

He is O-U-T!  

Three strikes and VDP is out according to you. How many strikes does it take to get Mike out?

As for the Cabinessence lyric, sometimes we have to search for our own meanings, which doesn't mean the lyricist didn't include them. This from Wikipedia:

"Over and over the crow cries uncover the cornfield
Over and over the thresher and hovers the wheatfield

"If the listener rearranges the last half of each line, they get "over and over the crow cries and hovers the wheatfield / over and over the thresher uncovers the cornfield", which makes them clearer. Parks penned additional lyrics to Cabinessence not heard on any official release, nor bootlegged. They are unknown to have ever been recorded during tracking sessions..."

Are these the reconnected telephone lyrics or something else I don't know about?

I assumed the reconnected telephone lyrics but I don't know if that is true.

Sorry, but what a bullshit tangent. A lyricists job is to create compelling lyrics that convey emotion or mood. Do they create a mood? That's up to the listener. Are they compelling? Uh, are we talking about them almost 50 years later?

Well, I'd say Mr Lee has his response. The consensus seems to be that we don't.

Certainly regarding point 2, the talent you'd have expected to be willing compared to the turn-out was a paltry showing. Presumably everything aside from the leads had been cut before the guest parts too, so what, a day's work? All I can imagine is record company politics playing a role - or at least that's what I'd rather imagine than the Boys' stock having fallen so far that they could no longer get them. Just the idea of Emmylou harmonizing with them is magnificent - if it had been a Parsons' song, even better.

Come to think of it, I think 'The Beach Boys go Country' would have been a far better album than 'Country goes The Beach Boys'.

Heard part of the mini mansions cut on WNKU the other day.   Reminded me a bit of Cherokee trail from BW 88

Really glad that's getting some play. A lot of non BB fans I've played it to have really liked it.

Tonight in Chatham we DID not get these songs from the set list the other night.  Everything else was pretty much the same.



Let Him Run Wild                         
Please Let Me Wonder                 
Kiss Me Baby
Their Hearts Were Full Of Spring
 Warmth Of The Sun
  Disney Girls
  All This Is That 
  All I Wanna Do


I am leaving early in the morning for an 8 hour drive.  Gotta get to bed.   All I can say is the show was really, truly excellent.  First rate.  Fun.  The place was vitually sold out and the crowd ate it UP.  Had a brief chat with Bruce as they were leaving the stage for the intermisson...but I had to step away from him to deal with an on-stage giveaway and basically had to leave him high and dry which was rude...but duty called...the show must go on etc.  God I'm glad I went.

The Beach Boys get wrongly buried by a few folks here who, after seeing and hearing them perform myself, are just plain WRONG.  This is a talented band and they HONOUR the music and the vibe.  Instrumentally and vocally they nailed it.  [I was going to say Jeff was great...but that isn't fair.  They ALL were.]

I'd give it a virtual 9 out of 10.

Glad you had a great time. I must admit I'd have been gutted to miss out on those songs, but even the bare hits is a great night guaranteed if they're being performed to a high degree. Jeff will always stand out I guess because Carl's parts always did and vocally as far as I know, Jeff is the closest you can get to Carl.

You know I really don't get why some of you waste your time coming to this board. People like drbeachboy and Mike's beard(you know what that makes you right?) This whole Brian vs. Mike thing is futile. It's art vs. commerce. I have always subscribed to Dennis' thoughts about Brian;"He is the Beach Boys,we're just his fucking messengers". I do think Mike gets blamed too much but his personality encourages it. Things like sitting there when Carl got punched by Rocky Pamplin or saying that Brian's first solo album was sh*t in the Goldmine article. Doing the 1981 Long Beach concert without Carl which did a fair amount of harm to their reputation. The cheerleaders onstage in the '90's, yes I know that the other Boys signed off on it but Mike came up with the idea.By the way, comparing SIP with those other albums is just sheer ignorance and bad taste. SIP would've been a better if Brian had been involved with it. Go listen to the Sea of Tunes stuff if you are wondering who the Beach Boys were. Somebody else knocked Brian's solo albums, only in America would people criticize an artist of Brian's magnitude. I don't know if you take Mike's side because you feel somebody has to or you really believe it, but I wish you a lot of luck.

But here it's you purporting this Brian vs. Mike bullshit. Why are there supposed to be two factions? Why is it an x vs. y situation? It is you and others making it that way. Reality is more intricate and subtle than that.

Who are you trying to kid?

1. Mike makes anti-Brian comments publicly and people here read them, you've read and commented on them.

2. Mike has initiated lawsuits against Brian (and Al) and I'm not just talking about the song writing credits lawsuit.  Are you unaware of these lawsuits?  I am pretty sure you've commented in those threads as well.

I don't think people here are making it that way.  I think Mike is making it that way.  Yeah, I'm pretty sure it is Mike.
 

I'm pretty sure you're absolutely right on all counts, EOL, and the myKe luHv apologists just keep on getting their backs closer to that wall of no quarter.  

You did it again! You changed the letters in his name around!!!!!!  

That is so good! Oh my god, let me catch my breath. Wait, I've got one myself: "Adolf Shitler". Geddit? Because he was a sh*t? Eh, it's not so funny when it's about someone who isn't as bad a human being as Mike. Sorry, mYkE.

Wheeee-oooo. Okay, sorry, I can't resist, do it again! Oh you did ?!!!!! Twice?!!!!! On the following page??!!!!! What are you trying to do, make me die from laughter?  

Ohhhhh god. Nurse?

As much as I would love to have an official pristine copy, should songs like "Deep Purple" or the original "Hey Little Tomboy" really be shared with the general public?

The general public will not give a damn about the release of a lost 1977 Beach Boys record any more than they do about the fact that it exists and is unreleased. As for the rest of us, the whole point is that it's flawed, confused, confusing and vulnerable. If they're going to start airbrushing it, why even bother. Some of us liked the awkward nerdy type, not everyone had to be prom queen.

I think the greatest argument for it's release (besides the fact that Still I Dream Of It needs to be heard by anyone with even a passing interest in Brian) is that it does feel like something missing from the official discography rather than a belated addendum.

1977. Elvis dies. Saturday Night Fever is the number one movie in the world, but whilst disco is hitting it's heights a 300+ lb guy in a tuxedo releases an album of 7 minute operatic rock songs written by a Dungeons + Dragons nerd that goes on to sell 30+ million. Alice Cooper is having hits with shitty ballads. Also, Star Wars.

Yeah, I don't think its too out there to say Adult/Child could have been a hit. 1977 was a strange year.

The buzz was happening, people were talking and referencing and being influenced by and loving this music again. Or in the case of the Smile material on the box, those who didn't have the bootlegs prior to this were pretty much in awe and wanting to know more. Again, 1992-93, there was the same exact buzz and excitement and recognition that you said wasn't there.

The buzz may have been building but clearly in 1992 that had yet to translate into upward swings in sales of new material. That would take the 30 Years box, the Pet Sounds box and a raised profile of Brian Wilson after the whole Landy thing. Even then Stars & Stripes sold very little (and has rarely been in print since it's initial release). Personally, I think despite not sinking to the lows of the Stamosied Forever it is a much poorer record than SIP overall.

Well, that leads us back to your own question - would a good album of new BBs material have sold well in 1992? If you're acknowledging that there was indeed a buzz around the band's, shall we say, more serious side then I think the answer is most likely yes. Lot's of 60s influenced bands doing very well, springing up, having hit albums, name-checking....this was an age where indie respectability would have sold. Cartoonish plastic sounding power ballads and rap attempts which frankly were at least 5 years out of date by the time SIP was released, not so much.

Everyone should have spent a little more time looking at the La's and a little less at Bart Simpson and Vanilla Ice.

you criticized the album in a pretty disrespectful way...so it's not surprising a couple people got offended by it. And no one is crying about it, just pointing out the absolutely childish manner in which you knocked the album.

A turd by any other name is still a turd. And I only mentioned NPP in the first place because YOU used SIP poor sales figures as a reflection of it's musical content. Well NPP has only sold twice as much as that did and that's with all the internet hype and coming off the back of a #3 reunion record. Yet you no doubt think NPP is a great record, so your argument falls apart.

It's not 1992 anymore. Bands were still selling in excess of 6 or 7 million copies back then. Now they throw a party if they hit 200,000. For a 73 year old artist in 2015 Brian's sales are more than respectable.

I think Stars and Stripes is a far worse album, I've managed to listen to that stinker about twice.

I'd say musically S&S is far better. It's just that the whole project is redundant if you're a BBs fan. I have versions with them singing leads, why would I want to listen to them being relegated to bvs?

SIP isn't despised because it's Mike-led, it's despised because in many places it is, for want of a better word, offensive. The desecration of Surfin', the repulsive come-on's of Summer of Love, then the pillaging of Dennis' soul (but not before first dressing it up like a $5 hooker) of Forever...

These are things as a fan of the band and the legacy that you can actually feel angry about. What is there to genuinely hate on S&S other than the fact that it's a bit sh*t?

I'd love to own a vinyl copy with that whale cover of this one. But it's not a good album. At all. Strange things happen is the only actually good song. I really like it. Summer in paradise is ok, the live version is awesome. And then Summer of love, well that's so bad that it's actually great. Especially the music video from Baywatch. Makes me laugh so hard everytime. So gotta give some respect for that. The only song I can't listen at all is Forever. I rate this album 2/5.

Hot Fun in the Summertime 2/5
Surfin' 1/5  
Summer of Love 3/5
Island Fever  2/5
Still Surfin' 2/5
Slow Summer Dancin' 2/5
Strange Things Happen 4/5
Remember (Walking in the Sand) 1/5
Lahaina Aloha 1/5
Under the Boardwalk 2/5
Summer in Paradise 3.5/5
Forever 1/5

It's funny to see what I've written about this album so "long ago". My opinions have changed quite a lot actually. But one thing remains the same: John Stamos' Forever is a disgrace. Why the hell did they put that awful piece of crap on this album? I've actually started to like songs like Surfin' and Summer of Love a lot more now. They're great to listen while driving.

At full speed into a brick wall while cackling maniacally?

Guitarfool's long post up there was a bit of an eye-opener, I have to say! The Baywatch thing being a while after SIP tanked I think I was vaguely aware of but I hadn't realised it was a matter of years, or that the advance rumour was of a new (or refurbished) Brian and Mike song for the appearance. That must have been an absolute kick in the nuts for any fan. Any more info on the reasoning?

...
The hall of fame speech was cool because he was basically saying "f you" to the lame rock n roll establishment.
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I agree! Embarrassing? Awkward? Maybe so, but at the very least he was doing something daring and funny.

Perhaps. Tho if we're looking at it from that angle I'd still agree with those who say Mike is part of that establishment and thus, a hypocrite once again to do so. But I'm not even sure that was his intention, to be honest. I don't even think he knew what he was trying to say. It was just pure gibberish with kernels of insult directed at other musicians for no particular reason. Ok, so Paul wasn't there and the Stones don't tour as much as you. Who cares? Why is that your business? Who are you to publicly wag your finger at them? I'm not even sure what he was getting at tho. Something about harmony or something. Who knows.

Exactly. I don't think the Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame is exactly the ideal location to rail against rock icons either. A bit like giving a speech at a retirement party about how old people are useless, doddering burdens on society who should be ashamed of themselves. The fact that Mike's meltdown followed Brian's earnest and gracious speech made it even worse.

"Does not end"? Well, this is going to be value for money.

"I think we're f***ed, honey.
We
Are
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU"