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http://www.mediaite.com/tv/msnbcs-melissa-harris-perry-star-wars-is-racist-because-darth-vader-is-a-black-guy/

If she's serious, she's beyond stupid. If she's joking, it's not merely a bad joke; it's blatant stereotyping of black people (refusing to claim their children and doing "bad" things).

What a stupid bitch. May she be locked in a room and forced to watch The Phantom Menace over and over again.

The Jar Jar Binks sequences from that film should be used to get confessions from people.

I think they said Jar-Jar was racist too.

Yeah, apparently Jar Jar Binks was a "blackface caricature" or something like that. Jar Jar Binks was no blackface caricature; he's too smart for that. He was secretly a Sith lord who played the biggest part in the founding of the Galactic Empire. Seriously...he used the Force to convince the ENTIRE Senate to give emergency powers to Palpatine.

Funny, when you got a glimpse of him with the helmet off, he looked pretty white.

As has been said, what a stupid bitch.

Rumor speaks of a man who was called "Darth Vader" by Emperor Palpatine was culpable for the slaughter of several younglings in the Jedi Temple on Coruscant. The news carried over the Force line spoke of a white man with red eyes and a blue lightsaber.

... and the inabiltity to deliver a single line of dialogue convincingly.

To his credit, Hayden Christensen IS a good actor; the prequels wasted Liam Neeson and Ewan McGregor as well - it wasn't bad actors involved; it was bad material and lousy direction. More proof that the best Star Wars films were the ones that Lucas neither wrote nor directed.

Somewhat related - early news out of the premiere screening of The Force Awakens is saying the reactions have been very positive.

Darth Trump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU_Jdts5rL0

It's good to be aware that your hateful disdain extends to all women. Thanks for the heads up.

How does a comment about one woman extend to "all women?"

By using a term that degrades all women to insult her. But you knew that.

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Seriously? The whole thing of calling people politically correct in order to avoid thinking about their points is now as controlling and policing as what you're criticizing.

Oh but you do talk some utter crap at times.

100 agreed.

There is a difference between speaking your mind and being an asshole!

Does your criticism extend to all people who call PC-Nazis, PC-Nazis?

Just trying to wrap my head around this coprolite.

Yeah. I generally think using an insulting term to announce that you refuse to listen to what someone is saying is not useful or polite.

Welcome to equality. We can take 'em as easily and as gracefully as we give 'em. It's only fair, right? I'm so fair about it I call everyone "bitch" regardless of their cis parts. Because everyone's equal, right?

Or are some more equal than others and automatically excused from criticism or, indeed, labels?

I would prefer that we move to equally thoughtful rather than equally rude. I don't like when people use male-based insults anymore than I do female. When someone points out to me that I'm being prejudicial (as you are in your post) or unfairly generalizing, I don't brush it off with a label or an attack. I try to improve by listening to criticism.

Exactly.  The PC cult is insulted by being called PC.  Seems consistent.  Any questions?   :-D

Being PC is good... but calling someone PC is bad.  The PC cult operates as an "aggressor" only.

The difference is does anybody care about insulting the PC cult on something as obvious as identifying them as PC?  No.  Not yet.

You're going to need to create sympathy for yourselves, where there currently isn't any.  Shouldn't be hard to do.  There's a formula for that...  


Future Headline -- White Male Attacks Man for 'Being PC.'

;)

Anyway... back to Melissa Harris-Perry.

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“While he was black he was terrible and bad, awful and used to cut off white men’s hand, and didn’t actually claim his son. But as soon as he claims his son, goes over to the good, takes off his mask and he is white — yes, I have many feelings about that.”

 :lol

Folk are still harping on on the net that a black guy doesn't fit in Star Wars.  This stuff goes both ways.  Can't we just agree that idiots are idiots?

Yup.

Seems like the blaming everything on the  'PC' thing is a way to avoid actually being respectful and considerate to others.

...Writing "what a stupid bitch" doesn't imply all women are "stupid bitches".

But some are. For instance, the ones who try reading between the lines and feel the need to write haughty and sarcastic replies.

Using sex-based insults implies something about the sex. For instance calling someone a d*ck implies something generally negative about men.

It only says something negative about the targeted "someone". It doesn't say or imply anything about other men. What makes you feel it does?

When someone gets called a dick, I don't feel offended as a man. Some guys are dicks and that's a perfectly fine thing to say.

You don't understand that the words that we use as insults became insults for a reason?

Her being a "bitch" has nothing to do with having a view on a movie you don't agree with.
In this context, the insult "bitch" was chosen (and repeatedly used by different posters) simply because she was a female.

 MSNBC's biggest idiot...no small feat.

At this point I'm undecided what is the more stupid statement - Melissa Harris-Perry claiming Star Wars is Racist 'cos Darth Vader is black or Emily claiming that calling a woman a stupid bitch means you hate all women.

I hereby declare that "bitch" is a genderfluid insult. You're oppressing me if you disagree. Oh, and you're sexist and definitionally prejudiced (see, I can improvise words that don't really mean anything like the best of the Tumblristas, too!).

Jumping to conclusions based on absolutely no evidence is what made this board the hippopotamical monstrosity it is today, Mr. "I didn't like NPP so therefore I hate Brian Wilson." :)

Is it jumping to conclusions that someone being misogynist is misogynist?

Referring to someone as a misogynist for using the word "bitch" is an example of jumping to conclusions. You know who else uses the word "bitch?" Tons of women. I don't see them complaining about the usage.

There's a difference between wanting tact and trying to police the thinking and word usage of others.

Lots of women are misogynist. How could they not be? Look at the culture in which they were raised.

If you think the culture in which women were raised in this country is a misogynist culture, I really do wonder what you think about the progressive cultures overseas...y'know, where women are actually oppressed. Y'know, because the word "bitch" is clearly a microaggression these days. Let's get the safe spaces ready...the trigger-happy generation is about to go into collective convulsions.

Wow.

Between this and http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,23152.0.html  I'm starting to strongly consider nuking the sandbox.

where the hell am I supposed to talk about jury duty in the future

YOU HAD ONE JOB...that was telling them about jury nullification BEFORE you ended up in the courtroom!

:lol

Those threads are fine

I suggest a qualified therapist.  I still have nightmares.

You know, I came home last night, checked the mail..and saw a summons for jury duty. YOU JINXED ME :lol

So who else is going to embrace their white privilege and see Star Wars tomorrow, just to annoy racial tension pimps like Melissa Harris-Perry?

This white black hispanic Jew will be working :(

I'm always here to talk if you need it, Billy.

I saw it at a midnight showing this morning. It's not that great.

Do you always have to be a fucking asshole?

I don't want to spoil it for myself or anyone -- but I'm curious if there's a "Disney" effect apparent (whatever that is).  I guess... does it feel like a Star Wars movie?

It's good to be aware that your hateful disdain extends to all holes.  Thanks for the heads up.

I'm going back and forth since I saw it about how great it was (given all the overdone media praise and five-star reviews), but it was pretty great.  I think, being only a first part, it's greatness might 'grow' depending on future episodes.  I didn't notice a Disney effect.  The young actors were excellent.

Modern action films are fast and loud.  They tire me out.

Hmmmm, I wonder if any action will be taken by our impartial mods on that little outburst?  ;D

No Disney effect, but it was very underwhelming and basically a rehash of pts 4&6.

:lol

Actually it is not gender-specific any longer. 

And not unlike some other "choice" words, can be used at least as a noun, verb or adjective and maybe creatively, even an adverb.   

The target is not gender-specific but the source and meaning are, which is the point.

So, maybe she impressed that poster as acting like a bee-och. 

Women don't have the market behavior-cornered.

This is the sandbox.   ;)

I have no problem with people having a problem with Melissa Harris-Perry or with what she said or with her behavior. I have a problem with people using a misogynist term.

Eta: and, the sandbox thing, I never said he can't use the term; I never complained to a mod about his using the term. I didn't even ask that he not use the term.

Exactly some of these posters are nasty pieces of work.

Emily - for all the insults and invective that is hurled on this site, that is a relatively tame term and it is an opinion as against a public figure. 

There has to be some reasonable standard.  Yale students have a petition to ban the First Amendment.  Things are getting a little too "sensitive" and it is less a mysogynist term which relates specifically to women than in earlier decades.   Haven't you heard the term "make him my bee-och" and it is used in a gender-neutral context?  It has lost the gender-specific connotation.

Language evolves as well as context and that is a word that has evolved from the connotation of the "female dog" that was gender-specific to a term that is more generic.   

This is a generally an uncensored board.   ;)

Seriously, are you kidding me????

Seriously what?

Standing up for nasty pieces of work like Mike's beard.

Nope, that is incorrect.
A documentary filmmaker came onto the campus with a petition and get a few students to sign it.

In an hour he got 50 signatures.  That is not insignificant.  About one a minute.

"Bitches" looking to diminish the strength of the US Constitution. 

It wouldn't have mattered to me who said it.

That word, like so many in the English language, has its offensiveness dependent on context.

People choose to be offended; it is not a knee-jerk reaction.

For someone who so often touts her own skepticism, you sure trust whatever agrees with you.

So, out of the over 12,000 students at Yale, he got 50 to sign in an hour. Wow, how crazy. It's almost like if you stick a camera in someone's face, they just do whatever you ask them. Have you been on a college campus? Everyone wants you to sign a petition. Some people just sign it and move on. He's an experienced filmmaker with an agenda and editing skills. Let's be real about this.

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BW - having collected signatures for elections, for many years, getting 50 in an hour is a score.  You are lucky to get half that, if the person or the cause (such as a ballot referendum) is in a contest.  You have to explain the reason you want someone to sign your petition.

12,000 people are not in your immediate sphere at one time.

Have I been on a campus?  The semester just finished.  

Some people will sign anything without being informed.  And, if he got 50 signatures in an hour, they could not have been fully informed or even partially informed.  I am skeptical about how informed these students were to sign so quickly.

Disagree...some things by definition are immediately offensive, regardless of the person (in most cases...there are those who lack empathy and/or consideration for others, in which case the above would not apply)

Those signature filmmakers are cut from the same Cloth as the abortion video hoaxers. It's an agenda to bring to life their imaged enemies in the flesh.

He gave them an IQ test. 

They are morons. They signed on at about one minute.  It is the second amendment in contention. 

They don't seem to know Number One from Number Two. 

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Again, I didn't ask for censorship.
Do you understand that when people refer to men in the context you cite in your post that the insult is that the man in question is being likened to a female in a submissive role? That's probably the most misogynistic context for the word.
Do you think the n word or the f word for gay people are ok "in context?"

Emily - language evolves. And in this instance, it does not have the same context as 50 years ago.  

No one used the N word or the G word.  And, I disagree.  It is a joke. (As in funny.)  

People are so hypersensititive that some would like a idyllic bubble where everyone is in a "safe space." The world is not that way.  

If it had a hint of "submission" in a gender-based context, that would be a different story.  It didn't.  

So where do you stand on the terms
c***
Twat
Dick
Wanker
Tosser
Bellend
Bastard?

Sometimes an insult is just an insult.

The context here is the "freedom" to be total dipshits to certain people and posters here.

I've never quite understood this sort of statement.  Sure, some folk go around getting offended professionally, but other than that, some of the ordinary folk just have trigger words based on their experiences.  That would be a knee-jerk reaction, a felt thing.  They can choose, after getting that reaction, to not get offended, to reason about it in their heads and get on with their day, but the knee-jerk reaction would still have existed as the initial response and the choice is whether or not they manage to suppress it.

Other than that, after further thought, I have decided I like the new Star Wars film and want to see it again.

Agreed on the first point.

As for the second....looking forward to seeing it!

Ummmmm...... The word used in the context you cited is from men who are the penetrated and submissive in male prison relationships so if you don't think misogyny is involved in that link, then you really are out of the loop on this. 

Emily - While it may have started in that context, it is not longer true and used recently in an Adam Sandler movie "Blended" by a character who is about 10 years old.

Language evolves. 

To play devil's advocate for a bit (which I love doing, until I run out of quarters...) Adam Sandler is constantly criticized for the content of much of his movies in regards to offensiveness.

That said, I happen to love Blended, and I'm about as liberal as it comes, so...

And, I love that movie, as well.   :love

Yes language evolves, but it hasn't much in this case other than gaining in acceptance.
Most people who use the word are aware of the various meanings and are using it with knowledge of the baggage. They are usually using it because they want to be hip and use it with irony, they want to be hard and use it to show they are alpha, they want to be trendy and use it to get sub-culture cachet (for which it's a little passé), they want to be assholes, they are misogynists, or they think they're reclaiming the term. I've yet to meet anyone who is unaware of the layers of meaning behind the word.
But evidently you are not aware of the significance of that and how the language we use informs our attitudes.

But good god this is boring and I'm sorry I brought it up.

You mean like "shitweasels" and "fuckwits" coined by our favorite, the Rudester. He's so good at that. ::)

I agree that "political correctness" is outta hand these days.

And due to that, I think that's why it's in the interest of being "non-PC" that I should say those who are really obsessed with these huge, powerful guns are probably just not packing enough between their legs, and they're making up for something.

Conservatives hate being PC, so I figured the conservatives on this board would appreciate that.

SDJ - Amen to that.  It is getting sickening with all of this "Oh, I'm offended, or it offends the sensibility of this group or that group." It is so regressive in thought. I wonder what the drafters of the Constitution would think of this backwards thinking.  People who have all kinds of information access and who can see all these totalitarian countries who restrict open thinking and writing.

The right is to be generally unrestricted in writing, with libel and slander being the boundaries, and those only, subject to standards as well.   It makes me wonder how this generation was taught the underpinnings of American Government.

One article I found from Oberlin, were student demands calling for money to be paid for protesting.  Who ever heard of paying for activism? It is a world gone mad.

People who are anti-gun certainly have a fixation on the perceived manliness of others.

The perception is not the reality.

At the point when we need to defend ourselves, and the police and first responders are targeted as in the San Bernadino scenario, we need more instruction and not less.  I read where Liberty University is giving firearm defense training available to all the students so in the event of an attack, there will be a first line of defense. This nonsense reminds me of the old 50's-60's "duck and cover under your desk" for students in schools, in the event of a nuclear explosion.  All propaganda.

Come on Real Beach Boy! Stop being so damn sensitive! I'm just callin' it how I see it!  ;D

And as far as every single post from filledeplage, it is mind-blowing how a member of the board could get misunderstand nearly every point ever being made. And then expound upon ideas that no-one else is talking about, nor has interest in.

Oh, I'm not saying you can't say it. :)

SDJ - I was agreeing with you about PC.  Even Democrats are sick of it.  

People are very interested in the Second Amendment.  It is in the news every day.

And by the way, Melissa Harris-Perry is a moron of epic proportions.

This country still has a huge race problem. As a small business owner, I've noticed probably a solid 10 to 20 percent of my customers are outwardly, demonstrably racist. The kind of people who see President Obama on the TV and say, "what lies is that Muslim n***** tellin' us today?". And these people say this stuff in front of me because, I'm a young, thirtysomething white guy. It's disgusting.

But anyways, whatever MHP thinks she's doing, it's the opposite. There are a lot of racial issues still around that deserve to be addressed. But when you have people like her saying things like what she said about Darth Vader, and then stuff about how saying "hard work" is somehow wrong because the slaves worked their asses off back in the day for nothing. Now, a great conversation could be had about how the poor in our country could work twice as hard toward the same goal as someone of means and they will probably still lose out to the rich person. However, that's not even part of her thing. She just wants to prove points about supposedly "racial" phrases that obviously have no such connotation.

And because of all her bullshit, I can see why someone who isn't paying as close attention to the news/political scene would be put off by this. It sounds like somebody digging to find something to complain about. It sounds useless. And I can see how it turns of so-called moderates.

On the other hand though, what's just as funny (if not funnier) than MHP is the fact that white male "conservatives" would always call out blacks for always complaining about their lot in life and how they say they've got it so hard, yet they are now the ones who feel oh-so-victimized. It's a fuckin' joke. Being a white Christian male in American society is still the bees knees, and you're fuckin' kidding yourself if you think you are getting the short shrift. So hearing all this "the blacks get all the breaks now" bullshit, especially from these white guys who are on food stamps, or "disability" (despite the fact that they seem to have no physical maladies), or Medicaid, is quite rich.

I dunno...I'm anti-gun and I couldn't give two shits about maniliness.

Amen.

The irony is that many of the "the south will rise again"/"those n****** are all on welfare" losers are mostly on welfare themselves. They don't even know that they'd be up sh*t creek without the federal government. That is not an endorsement of a welfare system; that is me pointing out a massive hypocrisy.

Nor was I.

well said TRBB, a redneck relative of mine does that stuff with pretending to not be in a relationship to get welfare checks for being a "single" mom.

Keep in mind, I'm not defending the welfare system by any means; the fact that it has kept the south generally subservient is proof of how effective weaponized welfare is. They'll ramble on about the South rising again and Dixie and what have you...but when the sh*t hits the fan, they'll be up the creek. Reconstruction decimated the south in many ways. They loved Big Brother when it was all said and done.

Yet the dumb hicks vote to essentially cut off their own welfare checks.

As long as it stops people like me from getting assistance, they're happy.

All in the name of 'liberty'.