Health Care

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

I think everyone would given the choice.

Well that's good to hear..... I think I can retire now from this thread happy

[Mike's Beard]

Then again, where's all the anger in us paying to blow people up all over the world? If I had the choice between blowing up a family in a hut somewhere OR keeping a guy on dialysis, I'd happily choose the latter.

I have plenty of anger for the wars raging over the world. But think on this; America reduces countries to rubble and then send the contractors over to rebuild it and make billions. The UK helps America reduce countries to rubble and then send over millions in foreign aid , how retarded is my country?

[Jason]

And sadly the division between Labour and Conservative is next to nil. That kind of bipartisanship is scary.

[Jason]

And trust me, I'm sick and tired of all of the warmongering and foreign aid, especially when said aid props up dictators and religious assholes in the Middle East - especially Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Israel.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Then again, where's all the anger in us paying to blow people up all over the world? If I had the choice between blowing up a family in a hut somewhere OR keeping a guy on dialysis, I'd happily choose the latter.

I have plenty of anger for the wars raging over the world. But think on this; America reduces countries to rubble and then send the contractors over to rebuild it and make billions. The UK helps America reduce countries to rubble and then send over millions in foreign aid , how retarded is my country?

Maybe it's just the pathetic trace of a conscience at work?

[guitarfool2002]

This thread is seriously pissing me off. Tread lightly.

The thread isn't the issue pissing you off, I hope. Because, well, since I started it as my own anger-management therapy to give an outlet to share, discuss, and let people know what's going on in the real world of the health care issue outside of political talking points, I feel I should be able to question the tread lightly remark if it's leading to the closing of this thread or worse. I was the one pissed off last week when I got the letter that started the thing. This was my outlet since in plain English I got f***ed and I have no way to change it. The deal was done, I have no recourse to change or improve my situation. None. So I vent.

The topic got sidetracked. I see that. No cause to threaten the entire thing. I suggest if the sidetracking is getting out of line, address the sidetracking. Unless that's what you're trying to do. 

Or if it's the overall thread itself causing problems, then it's another thing altogether which we need to discuss.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Its the hostility and lack of respect for each other because of differing views that is bothering me. It's why I refuse to enter political discussions online.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Its the hostility and lack of respect for each other because of differing views that is bothering me. It's why I refuse to enter political discussions online.

It goes there so easily because no one likes or deserves to be put into a little box yet that's exactly what happens when words like Liberal/Conservative are instantly applied to anyone's attempts at logic.

Words like those two, by their very design, create shortcuts in thinking/expression and get us used to communicating/thinking in short hand and we feel stupid when we do that so we fall back on insults and bullying..... I stand just as guilty of this as anyone else..... just without the picture evidence

[Niko]

Its the hostility and lack of respect for each other because of differing views that is bothering me. It's why I refuse to enter political discussions online.

It goes there so easily because no one likes or deserves to be put into a little box yet that's exactly what happens when words like Liberal/Conservative are instantly applies to anyone's attempts at logic.

Words like those two, by their very design, create shortcuts in thinking/expression and get us used to communicating/thinking in short hand and we feel stupid when we do that so we fall back on insults and bullying..... I stand just as guilty of this as anyone else..... just without the picture evidence

Ugh, what a liberal point of view
 


Well put.

[Bean Bag]

Thomas Sowell on the concept of "diversity".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVuLyE8ZvdI

Yup.  I know we're way off topic (and for a reason, since liberals are always unable to communicate, articulate and defend their positions through to the end, and arrive at a cogent conclusion -- thus leading the conversation off-topic at any chance they get to avoid their obvious defeat)... but, I just gotta say -- that's totally awesome.  "Diversity" is a scam.  It's a manufactured front in the Marxist war on Capitalism.  Divide and Concur.

Everybody's different for a reason.  People are individuals.  "Diversity" -- the industry we know today -- puts us into groups and tribes.  Just the opposite (as usual) from what Leftists claim it is.

[guitarfool2002]

I've been saying this ACA will be affecting everyone, whether now or later. This is just one example. Note the deductible amounts cited in the article. Once more groups and workers like those AFSCME workers in this case start seeing it on their own plans...we'll see.

http://www.wfmz.com/news/news-regional-lehighvalley/County-workers-dispute-health-care-cost-increase/-/132502/22362606/-/pjojoa/-/index.html

EASTON, Pa. - Workers in Northampton County are outraged about health insurance increases they just found out about. They told 69 News their out-of-pocket deductibles are going up about 900 percent. The county employees want action before it's too late, while officials said their hands are tied by federal law. "This is a slap in the face to everybody who works in this county whether union or non union," said Justus James, a representative for AFSCME.

County workers piled into the council budget meeting, ready to fight back against planned increases to their health care plans. "For a lot of the county employees, this amounts to 10 percent or more of their net salary," shared Stephen Barron, the Northampton County controller. "They can't afford this co-insurance." Workers said they were just told out-of-pocket deductibles will jump from $250 for a single person to $2,250. For a family, it spikes from $500 to nearly $5,000. They argue they take less pay for better benefits, but were blindsided by these huge increases. "We're getting it jammed down our throats in the 11th hour," James told council. "I want council to do something about it, investigate it and stop it."

Northampton County Executive John Stoffa said the price hikes are thanks to the Affordable Care Act. "We have to start increasing what people have to pay for their health care because we have what is called the Cadillac plan." Under the law, so-called "Cadillac plans" could be taxed a 40 percent levy just for being generous on health insurance. The government won't start taxing employers until 2018, but the county is trying to stay ahead of the huge hit they face in five years by adding the fee incrementally. "Because it's so new, people don't understand it and it's a little scary," added Stoffa. "But if it's something we have to do, we have to do it, if there's something we can work out in a better way, we will do it, if there's more we can do for the employees we will do it." At the meeting, the county human resources department asked for a new full-time employee to be hired just to deal with all the mandates under the Affordable Care Act.

[hypehat]

MB, in case this somehow didn't get into your brain through all the bile and Sun headlines swimming around up there, your anti-immigrant hatred reflects on me and my family and you're saying my family don't belong here. Thanks for that. Makes me feel great.

And if your hatred is solely reserved for Eastern Europeans to the extent where you want to shoot them in the face, I'd say that's pretty much the opposite of common sense. In fact.... it seems.... racist? That you have gone 'oh, it's not about race, it's common sense' whilst continuing to post the same bile directed at Eastern Europeans speaks volumes.

I'm obviously not going to change your mind, but I wanted to state my position in this thread for clarity before I go out and throw money at the undeserving poor... er... run my failing NHS department, no that's monday... oh yeah, I was going to destroy capitalism. That's Thursdays.




And I didn't even fucking swear!

[Mike's Beard]

MB, in case this somehow didn't get into your brain through all the bile and Sun headlines swimming around up there, your anti-immigrant hatred reflects on me and my family and you're saying my family don't belong here. Thanks for that. Makes me feel great.

 

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

I've been saying this ACA will be affecting everyone, whether now or later. This is just one example. Note the deductible amounts cited in the article. Once more groups and workers like those AFSCME workers in this case start seeing it on their own plans...we'll see.

http://www.wfmz.com/news/news-regional-lehighvalley/County-workers-dispute-health-care-cost-increase/-/132502/22362606/-/pjojoa/-/index.html

EASTON, Pa. - Workers in Northampton County are outraged about health insurance increases they just found out about. They told 69 News their out-of-pocket deductibles are going up about 900 percent. The county employees want action before it's too late, while officials said their hands are tied by federal law. "This is a slap in the face to everybody who works in this county whether union or non union," said Justus James, a representative for AFSCME.

County workers piled into the council budget meeting, ready to fight back against planned increases to their health care plans. "For a lot of the county employees, this amounts to 10 percent or more of their net salary," shared Stephen Barron, the Northampton County controller. "They can't afford this co-insurance." Workers said they were just told out-of-pocket deductibles will jump from $250 for a single person to $2,250. For a family, it spikes from $500 to nearly $5,000. They argue they take less pay for better benefits, but were blindsided by these huge increases. "We're getting it jammed down our throats in the 11th hour," James told council. "I want council to do something about it, investigate it and stop it."

Northampton County Executive John Stoffa said the price hikes are thanks to the Affordable Care Act. "We have to start increasing what people have to pay for their health care because we have what is called the Cadillac plan." Under the law, so-called "Cadillac plans" could be taxed a 40 percent levy just for being generous on health insurance. The government won't start taxing employers until 2018, but the county is trying to stay ahead of the huge hit they face in five years by adding the fee incrementally. "Because it's so new, people don't understand it and it's a little scary," added Stoffa. "But if it's something we have to do, we have to do it, if there's something we can work out in a better way, we will do it, if there's more we can do for the employees we will do it." At the meeting, the county human resources department asked for a new full-time employee to be hired just to deal with all the mandates under the Affordable Care Act.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Thomas Sowell on the concept of "diversity".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVuLyE8ZvdI

Yup.  I know we're way off topic (and for a reason, since liberals are always unable to communicate, articulate and defend their positions through to the end, and arrive at a cogent conclusion -- thus leading the conversation off-topic at any chance they get to avoid their obvious defeat)... but, I just gotta say -- that's totally awesome.  "Diversity" is a scam.  It's a manufactured front in the Marxist war on Capitalism.  Divide and Concur.

Everybody's different for a reason.  People are individuals.  "Diversity" -- the industry we know today -- puts us into groups and tribes.  Just the opposite (as usual) from what Leftists claim it is.

Says the biggest and most blustering proud-to-be-a-hardcore-tribe member on this board....

Most of your crap is just motivated by attacking your childish concept of "other" "them" "liberals" lefties" because YOUR idea of what those words mean insults your self image as a big-bad Republican swinging dick..... Try walking it like you talk it for once.

[Heysaboda]

So, did anybody read "The Bitter Pill" in Time Magazine, back in the spring?  It was a long article documenting the overcharging, gouging really, which is happening today in virtually all US hospitals.  Medical equipment, bandages, pills all ALL MARKED UP by 1000’s of percent, and yes, I said THOUSANDS.  THIS is what is driving the costs in health care today, in the US anyway.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

So, did anybody read "The Bitter Pill" in Time Magazine, back in the spring?  It was a long article documenting the overcharging, gouging really, which is happening today in virtually all US hospitals.  Medical equipment, bandages, pills all ALL MARKED UP by 1000’s of percent, and yes, I said THOUSANDS.  THIS is what is driving the costs in health care today, in the US anyway.

Great article, but hey, it's the free market: can't keep up, you're free to go die!

But, hey: no sweat, we're all going to be millionaires really soon, right? ..... right?

[Heysaboda]

So, did anybody read "The Bitter Pill" in Time Magazine, back in the spring?  It was a long article documenting the overcharging, gouging really, which is happening today in virtually all US hospitals.  Medical equipment, bandages, pills all ALL MARKED UP by 1000’s of percent, and yes, I said THOUSANDS.  THIS is what is driving the costs in health care today, in the US anyway.

Great article, but hey, it's the free market: can't keep up, you're free to go die!

But, hey: no sweat, we're all going to be millionaires really soon, right? ..... right?

Why YES!  Right now, my dressage horses are riding up and down in my car elevator!!!   

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

So, did anybody read "The Bitter Pill" in Time Magazine, back in the spring?  It was a long article documenting the overcharging, gouging really, which is happening today in virtually all US hospitals.  Medical equipment, bandages, pills all ALL MARKED UP by 1000’s of percent, and yes, I said THOUSANDS.  THIS is what is driving the costs in health care today, in the US anyway.

Great article, but hey, it's the free market: can't keep up, you're free to go die!

But, hey: no sweat, we're all going to be millionaires really soon, right? ..... right?

Why YES!  Right now, my dressage horses are riding up and down in my car elevator!!!   

It's hilarious: my hardcore Republican sister is crying foul now that the military commissary near her (her husband is ex Navy) was closed down. I was like "So? Just go to the Ralph's 5 feet away to get your groceries" and she says "Hell no, supermarkets are a rip-off" ;P

[Heysaboda]

So, did anybody read "The Bitter Pill" in Time Magazine, back in the spring?  It was a long article documenting the overcharging, gouging really, which is happening today in virtually all US hospitals.  Medical equipment, bandages, pills all ALL MARKED UP by 1000’s of percent, and yes, I said THOUSANDS.  THIS is what is driving the costs in health care today, in the US anyway.

Great article, but hey, it's the free market: can't keep up, you're free to go die!

But, hey: no sweat, we're all going to be millionaires really soon, right? ..... right?

Why YES!  Right now, my dressage horses are riding up and down in my car elevator!!!   

It's hilarious: my hardcore Republican sister is crying foul now that the military commissary near her (her husband is ex Navy) was closed down. I was like "So? Just go to the Ralph's 5 feet away to get your groceries" and she says "Hell no, supermarkets are a rip-off" ;P

LOL Tell your sister she’s a Socialist and she didn’t know it LOL

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

I did and nearly got thrown from the car, but a little ligthbulb DID go on over her head.

[SMiLE Brian]

 

[hypehat]

MB, in case this somehow didn't get into your brain through all the bile and Sun headlines swimming around up there, your anti-immigrant hatred reflects on me and my family and you're saying my family don't belong here. Thanks for that. Makes me feel great.

 

Well, I tried!


Great job on denying your racism btw.

[Mike's Beard]

Funny that nobody else considered me a racist- just you. Why was it that Jason got the gist of what I was saying on the first post and Pinder agreed with me to a point after I clarified my stance?

And please stop trying with the sarcastic humour, because frankly, you suck at it.

[Bean Bag]

Thomas Sowell on the concept of "diversity".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVuLyE8ZvdI

Yup.  I know we're way off topic (and for a reason, since liberals are always unable to communicate, articulate and defend their positions through to the end, and arrive at a cogent conclusion -- thus leading the conversation off-topic at any chance they get to avoid their obvious defeat)... but, I just gotta say -- that's totally awesome.  "Diversity" is a scam.  It's a manufactured front in the Marxist war on Capitalism.  Divide and Concur.

Everybody's different for a reason.  People are individuals.  "Diversity" -- the industry we know today -- puts us into groups and tribes.  Just the opposite (as usual) from what Leftists claim it is.

Says the biggest and most blustering proud-to-be-a-hardcore-tribe member on this board....

Most of your crap is just motivated by attacking your childish concept of "other" "them" "liberals" lefties" because YOUR idea of what those words mean insults your self image as a big-bad Republican swinging dick..... Try walking it like you talk it for once.

Translation please