Health Care

[Mike's Beard]

Hypehat is one of those strange people who won't be happy until half of the planet is resided in Britain and living on handouts from the British taxpayer. Don't worry Hype-baby, your dream is becoming a closer reality each and every day!

I also think he must be on his period.

[Jason]

Gotta love the NHS, no matter how pushed for cash, staff and resources they become they still jump at the chance to help half of Eastern Europe breed like rats over here for free.

Assuming that is the offending passage in question, I see that more as a criticism of the NHS than a racist remark.

I don't see how my moderating has anything to do with this discussion.

[hypehat]

Hypehat is one of those strange people who won't be happy until half of the planet is resided in Britain and living on handouts from the British taxpayer. Don't worry Hype-baby, your dream is becoming a closer reality each and every day!

I also think he must be on his period.

Oh no, diversity! f***.

Or,

Mike's Beard is one of those strange people who won't be happy until he can drive this van around and intimidate people because he's a UKIP supporter.

[Jason]

Thomas Sowell on the concept of "diversity".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVuLyE8ZvdI

[Mike's Beard]

Or is he actually saying that Eastern European people act like animals? My Grandad came over to Britain from Ireland and had a family, I guess he was acting like an animal too. Y'know, not like nice indigenous people.

Also pull your head out of your ass, grab an atlas and check out the location of Ireland: HINT it's not in Eastern Europe.

[hypehat]

To TRBB's 'academic' video,

That's really funny! I haven't found a good stand up comic in ages. I turned off when he essentially said that giving India its freedom was a bad idea BTW. No i didn't, I needed a laugh tbh.

Yeah, Britain is really on the verge of bloodshed, btw. We so should have kept India under oppressive colonial rule.

Oh my god, this is so stupid. You can't say 'why won't you look at the evidence, there needs to be a proper scientific look at this' and then proffer anecdotal evidence.

[Mike's Beard]

Hypehat is one of those strange people who won't be happy until half of the planet is resided in Britain and living on handouts from the British taxpayer. Don't worry Hype-baby, your dream is becoming a closer reality each and every day!

I also think he must be on his period.

Oh no, diversity! f***.

Or,

Mike's Beard is one of those strange people who won't be happy until he can drive this van around and intimidate people because he's a UKIP supporter.

It would take more than a crappy van to send these freeloaders packing. Might I suggest a shotgun barrel pointed square in their face as an alternative?

[hypehat]

Or is he actually saying that Eastern European people act like animals? My Grandad came over to Britain from Ireland and had a family, I guess he was acting like an animal too. Y'know, not like nice indigenous people.

Also pull your head out of your ass, grab an atlas and check out the location of Ireland: HINT it's not in Eastern Europe.

It's the principle of the thing, you berk. Did I really have to spell that one out?

So it's just Eastern Europeans that you blindly hate then?

[Mike's Beard]

No I pretty much hate you too, you fucktard.

[hypehat]

No I pretty much hate you too, you fucktard.

That's lovely! Glad we got to the point where you threatened to shoot immigrants in the face before we finished up this chat though.

[Mike's Beard]

No I pretty much hate you too, you fucktard.

That's lovely! Glad we got to the point where you threatened to shoot immigrants in the face before we finished up this chat though.

As opposed to you, who would not doubt open up your wallet to them.

[guitarfool2002]

It's sad but I'm starting to see the possibility of a plan designed to fail in order to achieve the real goals. I tried to keep a level of optimism, of focusing on what's at hand, but I'm finding it harder to do as the days go by and we see how things have been developing after the "roll out" over a week ago.

Is it a sign of incompetence among those designing and running the new health care plan? There are flaws, there are many glitches, you might say "well every system might have flaws when transitioning from design to implementation", the administration even used the hiccups in things like the newest iPhone to illustrate that.

But then again, consider this was the (let me emphasize this..." THE signature policy initiative of this administration and the party which wrote and passed this bill. It was a "sweeping" plan that would effectively change and alter the structure of managed health care in America.

As such, would you not run test after test leading up to the roll out? Would you not program in every foreseeable glitch and hiccup during design and beta testing of the program in order to avoid these issues damaging the process when it goes live? Would you not do everything possible in order to ensure the smoothest operation and transition for those you're targeting as users of the system behind the plan?

In any business, specifically the restaurant and food service industries, a new business getting ready for their grand opening will usually have something called a "soft open". For restaurants, that would involve inviting dozens of locals to come to the restaurant before the grand opening to sample what they have to offer. The invited guests get to test-drive the food, the service, they might love it and tell all their associates about it. This is one small aspect, beneficial, but small.

The real benefit of this, and why businesses do this, is to give them a real-time test of how their systems will run. They pack the house, and all of their food, supplies, staff, policies-procedures, and everything else in the top-to-bottom structure of how that business operates from the parking lot to the bathrooms is tested. If some things are found to have flaws, whether it be something with the food preparation not being consistent, to wait times at the front door being too long, to the kitchen running out of appetizer plates halfway into the night's service, they can spot, identify, and correct these things...key point...

*Prior to the grand opening*, so that when they open to the public who are there to spend money, these flaws and glitches will have been worked out or corrected so they don't negatively affect the restaurant when the customers receive a lesser quality experience or product upon opening.

It is standard practice. It is also common sense.

So the government in the case of the new health care system contracted a Canadian firm called CGI to design and construct the core of the public's interaction with the new plans, the government's website where everyone would log on to sign up. CGI is based in Canada, and did the work behind the Canadian healthcare computer system. They also hold an office in Fairfax, VA but the company itself is Canadian. The contract for these services was in the hundreds of millions of dollars, and rising.

And over a week into the new system, it's simply not working as it should.

Again I ask, unless you wanted something of this magnitude to fail, would you not take every precaution and run every test possible to ensure that the plan you're calling the signature plan of your administration and the most sweeping changes to the health system in generations would at least be functional for the majority of people who need to access and use it?

I want to see it optimistically, but it's tough.

[smile-holland]

Mike's Beard and Hypehat: cool down, both of you. And take the personal insults to PM, and not on this board.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

No I pretty much hate you too, you fucktard.

That's lovely! Glad we got to the point where you threatened to shoot immigrants in the face before we finished up this chat though.

Hyphat: this sandbox is a pathetic circle of hell for smarmy little angry boys who are pissed that they missed out on the beer hall putsch.... Bile spewing little shadows of people who have settled for less than they feel entitled to and the rest of the world is supposed to pay for it  (calm down guys, I don't mean in $$$)...... Little cowards who will say racist things and then deny it. I'd rather have such discussions as these at a KKK rally because at least those folks would be honest.

As soon as Obama's out of office, they'll shut the hell up anyway and the world will go back to being perfect in their eyes.

[Jason]

Ha, this is much more than Obama and this started BEFORE Obama, so the straw man, while certainly disgusting, is henceforth blown away as being without merit.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Ha, this is much more than Obama and this started BEFORE Obama, so the straw man, while certainly disgusting, is henceforth blown away as being without merit.

You got that straight, just everyone please don't roll over and go to sleep smiling if Romney or some other Repub gets in there next...... If that happens I predict the sandbox will be a ghost town

[Jason]

Ha, this is much more than Obama and this started BEFORE Obama, so the straw man, while certainly disgusting, is henceforth blown away as being without merit.

You got that straight, just everyone please don't roll over and go to sleep smiling if Romney or some other Repub gets in there next...... If that happens I predict the sandbox will be a ghost town

Well, unlike many here, I have zero faith in the GOP. They're just as bad.

[Mike's Beard]

No I pretty much hate you too, you fucktard.

That's lovely! Glad we got to the point where you threatened to shoot immigrants in the face before we finished up this chat though.

Hyphat: this sandbox is a pathetic circle of hell for smarmy little angry boys who are pissed that they missed out on the beer hall putsch.... Bile spewing little shadows of people who have settled for less than they feel entitled to and the rest of the world is supposed to pay for it  (calm down guys, I don't mean in $$$)...... Little cowards who will say racist things and then deny it. I'd rather have such discussions as these at a KKK rally because at least those folks would be honest.

As soon as Obama's out of office, they'll shut the hell up anyway and the world will go back to being perfect in their eyes.

And yet daily you come here to spew your liberal horseshit. What does that say about you?

Ha, this is much more than Obama and this started BEFORE Obama, so the straw man, while certainly disgusting, is henceforth blown away as being without merit.

The funny thing is that none of my posts that got Hypehat's vagina all crabby mentioned Obama. In fact , unless he's secretly running the NHS in England they had f*** all to do with him.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

No I pretty much hate you too, you fucktard.

That's lovely! Glad we got to the point where you threatened to shoot immigrants in the face before we finished up this chat though.

Hyphat: this sandbox is a pathetic circle of hell for smarmy little angry boys who are pissed that they missed out on the beer hall putsch.... Bile spewing little shadows of people who have settled for less than they feel entitled to and the rest of the world is supposed to pay for it  (calm down guys, I don't mean in $$$)...... Little cowards who will say racist things and then deny it. I'd rather have such discussions as these at a KKK rally because at least those folks would be honest.

As soon as Obama's out of office, they'll shut the hell up anyway and the world will go back to being perfect in their eyes.

And yet daily you come here to spew your liberal horseshit. What does that say about you?

Ha, this is much more than Obama and this started BEFORE Obama, so the straw man, while certainly disgusting, is henceforth blown away as being without merit.

The funny thing is that none of my posts that got Hypehat's vagina all crabby mentioned Obama. In fact , unless he's secretly running the NHS in England they had f*** all to do with him.

My liberal horseshit (which is actually old school Conservative) doesn't boil down to some angry reactionary, panty-twisted fantasy world of me holing myself up in a cave and shooting anyone who comes near...... It's about trying to get people to stop praying to red/blue left or right and wanting the world to be reduced to some Free-Market-Road Warrior-Thunderdome nightmare.  (as long as I got mine)... It's the complete opposite and it's sensible.... We need ideas and ingenuity instead of right wing anger, useless liberal babbling,  and Obama bashing pictures.

[Mike's Beard]

I can't pretend to give you answers but the intent of my post (which apparently made me a raging racist SOB BooHoo!!) was to give you the perspective of someone living in another country under a socialised healthcare system to compare with your American privatised one.

As to you calling me a coward, is it cowardly to speak one's mind? Or is it more cowardly not to for fear of someone like Hypehat screaming "RACIST, RACIST OOOOHHHH HE'S A RACIST"? The fact that I don't wish to pay for Immigrant's undeserved free health treatment is not racist, it's simply common sense.  

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

I can't pretend to give you answers but the intent of my post (which apparently made me a raging racist SOB BooHoo!!) was to give you the perspective of someone living in another country under a socialised healthcare system. The fact that I don't wish to pay for Immigrant's undeserved free health treatment is not racist, it's simply common sense.  

I agree regarding immigrants, (though anyone anywhere on the planet should receive emergency first aid no matter who the f*** they are pr how fat their wallet is or isn't) but what are we going to do about it? the free market likes illegal immigrant labor too much.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

This thread is seriously pissing me off. Tread lightly.

[Mike's Beard]

I agree regarding immigrants, (though anyone anywhere on the planet should receive emergency first aid no matter who the f*** they are pr how fat their wallet is or isn't) but what are we going to do about it? the free market likes illegal immigrant labor too much.

Emergency medical aid is one thing, native UK taxpayers footing the bill for Mr & Mrs Symanski's IVF treatment is an entirely different kettle of fish.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

I agree regarding immigrants, (though anyone anywhere on the planet should receive emergency first aid no matter who the f*** they are pr how fat their wallet is or isn't) but what are we going to do about it? the free market likes illegal immigrant labor too much.

Emergency medical aid is one thing, native UK taxpayers footing the bill for Mr & Mrs Symanski's IVF treatment is an entirely different kettle of fish.

Agreed

Then again, where's all the anger in us paying to blow people up all over the world? If I had the choice between blowing up a family in a hut somewhere OR keeping a guy on dialysis, I'd happily choose the latter.

[Jason]

I think everyone would given the choice.