VH1 s**ts on The Beach Boys

[Runaways]

In a top 20 it's only fair to have two artists from the '80s at least and two from the '90s. I nominate Michael Jackson and Prince from the '80s and Oasis and Nirvana from the '90s. The '00s I need to assess later.

'50s: Elvis Presley and Fats Domino
'60s: Beach Boys and Phil Spector
'70s: Beach Boys and Curtis Mayfield
'80s: Michael Jackson and Prince
'90s: Oasis and Nirvana

How 'bout...
50s-Bo Diddley and Buddy Holly
60s-Beach Boys and The Lovin' Spoonful
70s-Big Star and Jonathan Richman & the Modern Lovers
80s-Jesus and Mary Chain and REM
90s-Barenaked Ladies, The Flaming Lips, Neutral Milk Hotel
00s-The Arcade Fire, Wilco, Feist, Rilo Kiley, New Pornographers, The Shins, Animal Collective, Neko Case, MGMT...can't narrow it down...
10s-so far...The Drums, Surfer Blood, Beach House, The Pains of Being Pure At Heart...more to come...

i suppose the arcade fire, but none of those others.  I'm curious to see how the killers look in a few years.  after not really liking their debut, they turned into one of my favorite bands.  the drums are ok.  i think Vampire Weekend has a shot. wait, barenaked ladies?

[Wrightfan]

I was watching this on VH1 earlier in the week. Beyonce was ranked ahead of:
Cheap Trick
Cream
Grandmaster Flash
Otis Reading

Turned it off asap.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

such a worthless bunch of merda!

The Moody Blues weren't even on the list!

Need I say anymore?

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Nor was Roxy Music!

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

And speaking of Beyonce: how did she even make it on a list Nina Simone is absent from??

[Awesoman]

such a worthless bunch of merda!

The Moody Blues weren't even on the list!

Need I say anymore?

Considering that critics were never too fond of the Moody Blues, I'm not at all surprised.

[urbanite]

The Moodies are one of the all time great bands.  They really cranked out a bunch of great songs in the 1960's and 70's.

[Awesoman]

The Moodies are one of the all time great bands.  They really cranked out a bunch of great songs in the 1960's and 70's.

I like some of their stuff myself.  But the reason they are not recognized is because they couldn't win over many rock critics. 

[Curtis Leon]

The problems with these lists are basically that everyone has a different opinion for who should go on. There will NEVER be a top xxx list where everyone or even anyone is satisfied. EVER. Never seen a greatest album/artist/whatever list where people weren't bitching it out. Basically, they're like assholes, they're stinky, they're everywhere, and no one likes to deal with 'em.

[The Heartical Don]

The problems with these lists are basically that everyone has a different opinion for who should go on. There will NEVER be a top xxx list where everyone or even anyone is satisfied. EVER. Never seen a greatest album/artist/whatever list where people weren't bitching it out. Basically, they're like buttholes, they're stinky, they're everywhere, and no one likes to deal with 'em.

They are, as many human activities and products, just a substitute for warfare.

[Alex]

i think Vampire Weekend has a shot. wait, barenaked ladies?

Yes, Barenaked Ladies! They've consistently released strong album after strong album...usually the singles being the weakest tracks...their more recent stuff hasn't been quite as great as their 90s heyday...but 1996's Born On A Pirate Ship and 2000's Maroon are modern day classics. I see BNL as similar to the BBs pre-1990s in that they are grossly underrated and misunderstood. Maybe they're not on the same level as the BBs, Beatles, Dylan, etc., but they are (or were, before Steven Page quit) better than Nirvana, Michael Jackson, and Coldplay.

[The Heartical Don]

i think Vampire Weekend has a shot. wait, barenaked ladies?

Yes, Barenaked Ladies! They've consistently released strong album after strong album...usually the singles being the weakest tracks...their more recent stuff hasn't been quite as great as their 90s heyday...but 1996's Born On A Pirate Ship and 2000's Maroon are modern day classics. I see BNL as similar to the BBs pre-1990s in that they are grossly underrated and misunderstood. Maybe they're not on the same level as the BBs, Beatles, Dylan, etc., but they are (or were, before Steven Page quit) better than Nirvana, Michael Jackson, and Coldplay.

Are they better than Wishbone Ash? That's the relevant issue.

[Mike's Beard]

i think Vampire Weekend has a shot. wait, barenaked ladies?

Yes, Barenaked Ladies! They've consistently released strong album after strong album...usually the singles being the weakest tracks...their more recent stuff hasn't been quite as great as their 90s heyday...but 1996's Born On A Pirate Ship and 2000's Maroon are modern day classics. I see BNL as similar to the BBs pre-1990s in that they are grossly underrated and misunderstood. Maybe they're not on the same level as the BBs, Beatles, Dylan, etc., but they are (or were, before Steven Page quit) better than Nirvana, Michael Jackson, and Coldplay.

Are they better than Wishbone Ash? That's the relevant issue.

I keep thinking to myself I will check out some Wishbone Ash stuff on youtube, having never heard ANYTHING by them. However, I have so far refrained from doing so in case I actually like them, in which case this running gag would become less funny. 

[The Heartical Don]

i think Vampire Weekend has a shot. wait, barenaked ladies?

Yes, Barenaked Ladies! They've consistently released strong album after strong album...usually the singles being the weakest tracks...their more recent stuff hasn't been quite as great as their 90s heyday...but 1996's Born On A Pirate Ship and 2000's Maroon are modern day classics. I see BNL as similar to the BBs pre-1990s in that they are grossly underrated and misunderstood. Maybe they're not on the same level as the BBs, Beatles, Dylan, etc., but they are (or were, before Steven Page quit) better than Nirvana, Michael Jackson, and Coldplay.

Are they better than Wishbone Ash? That's the relevant issue.

I keep thinking to myself I will check out some Wishbone Ash stuff on youtube, having never heard ANYTHING by them. However, I have so far refrained from doing so in case I actually like them, in which case this running gag would become less funny. 

Actually, it's the same here. For me they're just a group mentioned by some Amazon-reviewer who found Brian horribly bad and WA the best of the planet. The only thing I did so far was to seek out some of their 'Argus' lyrics, which were terribly, terribly infantile. But well - the same can be said for 80% of 'Love You'.

Muddy waters indeed. Perhaps, dear Beard, we'll meet again someday on the 'Son Of Argus' message board.

[Mike's Beard]

Do you think such a board exists? Maybe that's where nobody ended up going to.

[The Heartical Don]

Do you think such a board exists? Maybe that's where nobody ended up going to.

  gotta log off, and no finer way exists than with a jolly good gag.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

i think Vampire Weekend has a shot. wait, barenaked ladies?

Yes, Barenaked Ladies! They've consistently released strong album after strong album...usually the singles being the weakest tracks...their more recent stuff hasn't been quite as great as their 90s heyday...but 1996's Born On A Pirate Ship and 2000's Maroon are modern day classics. I see BNL as similar to the BBs pre-1990s in that they are grossly underrated and misunderstood. Maybe they're not on the same level as the BBs, Beatles, Dylan, etc., but they are (or were, before Steven Page quit) better than Nirvana, Michael Jackson, and Coldplay.

See, this ties in with what Curtis was saying. In many people's opinion, no way in hell BNL were better than Michael Jackson or Nirvana.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

and The Grateful Dead: not even on the list?? But Genesis was?

Genesis, but no Yes?

Ugh

[Amy B.]

The people who are saying Michael Jackson didn't deserve to be near the top of the list (or isn't very talented), come on. I'm not even a huge fan (I have Off the Wall and some Jackson 5 stuff), but that man was talented and a great entertainer. Amazing voice. Go and listen to Who's Loving You by the Jackson 5. He was 12 or so, and he sounds incredible. Watch him dance sometime.

And as for Nirvana, Cobain wrote some great melodies, but more importantly for impact, they helped change the course of music in the 90s. (Goodbye, Color Me Badd!) I was in HS when Nirvana was popular, and kids were devastated when Cobain died. He meant a lot to generation X. (And again, I wasn't even a big fan)

Also, I'd like to know whether people who say Lady Gaga is talentless have actually heard her music or seen her perform. I'm not very familiar with her stuff except Poker Face, but I'm curious. I do sort of like her persona. Much less holier-than-thou than Madonna.

[Awesoman]

i think Vampire Weekend has a shot. wait, barenaked ladies?

Yes, Barenaked Ladies! They've consistently released strong album after strong album...usually the singles being the weakest tracks...their more recent stuff hasn't been quite as great as their 90s heyday...but 1996's Born On A Pirate Ship and 2000's Maroon are modern day classics. I see BNL as similar to the BBs pre-1990s in that they are grossly underrated and misunderstood. Maybe they're not on the same level as the BBs, Beatles, Dylan, etc., but they are (or were, before Steven Page quit) better than Nirvana, Michael Jackson, and Coldplay.

Coldplay maybe but Nirvana and Michael Jackson?  NO WAY.

[Mike's Beard]

and The Grateful Dead: not even on the list?? But Genesis was?

Genesis, but no Yes?

Ugh

70's Genesis rule.
80's Genesis suck.

[Mike's Beard]

The people who are saying Michael Jackson didn't deserve to be near the top of the list (or isn't very talented), come on. I'm not even a huge fan (I have Off the Wall and some Jackson 5 stuff), but that man was talented and a great entertainer. Amazing voice. Go and listen to Who's Loving You by the Jackson 5. He was 12 or so, and he sounds incredible. Watch him dance sometime.

And as for Nirvana, Cobain wrote some great melodies, but more importantly for impact, they helped change the course of music in the 90s. (Goodbye, Color Me Badd!) I was in HS when Nirvana was popular, and kids were devastated when Cobain died. He meant a lot to generation X. (And again, I wasn't even a big fan)

Also, I'd like to know whether people who say Lady Gaga is talentless have actually heard her music or seen her perform. I'm not very familiar with her stuff except Poker Face, but I'm curious. I do sort of like her persona. Much less holier-than-thou than Madonna.

Haven't been a fan of M.J. since I was about nine but he undoubtedly belongs on that list. If he was still alive I'd suspect he'd be a few places lower down. Nothing boosts an artist like dieing. That has been proved many times. Which brings me to..............

...Nirvana. They weren't responsible for the demise of Color Me Crap, more they helped make groups such as Guns n Roses and Motley Crue unhip overnight. I still maintain that if it had been Eddie Vedder who'd put a gun in his mouth, than it would have been he who was elevated to the Gen X figurehead position (he was infact the music press's first choice as posterboy but wouldn't play ball) and it would be Pearl Jam making these lists. When Curt died Nirvana went from 'one of the big alt rock bands' to 'THE' alt rock band.

As for GaGa - I'm convinced she must spend long hours into the night thinking up what outlandish, attention grabbing thing she can do next.

[rogerlancelot]

i think Vampire Weekend has a shot. wait, barenaked ladies?

Yes, Barenaked Ladies! They've consistently released strong album after strong album...usually the singles being the weakest tracks...their more recent stuff hasn't been quite as great as their 90s heyday...but 1996's Born On A Pirate Ship and 2000's Maroon are modern day classics. I see BNL as similar to the BBs pre-1990s in that they are grossly underrated and misunderstood. Maybe they're not on the same level as the BBs, Beatles, Dylan, etc., but they are (or were, before Steven Page quit) better than Nirvana, Michael Jackson, and Coldplay.

Are they better than Wishbone Ash? That's the relevant issue.

I keep thinking to myself I will check out some Wishbone Ash stuff on youtube, having never heard ANYTHING by them. However, I have so far refrained from doing so in case I actually like them, in which case this running gag would become less funny. 

Actually, it's the same here. For me they're just a group mentioned by some Amazon-reviewer who found Brian horribly bad and WA the best of the planet. The only thing I did so far was to seek out some of their 'Argus' lyrics, which were terribly, terribly infantile. But well - the same can be said for 80% of 'Love You'.

Muddy waters indeed. Perhaps, dear Beard, we'll meet again someday on the 'Son Of Argus' message board.

Okay, I cannot recall a single song by Wishbone Ash and can only say I'd seen their albums for sale used in thrift shops. But I did google a Wishbone Ash message board:

http://wishboneashforums.com/index.php

And I joined. I have the same user name as here (rogerlancelot although obviously that is not really my name). Anybody else want to join and see if we can confuse these people? Or would that be trolling? I don't want to be rude with them, I just want to pretend that I know more about them than I do (which is actually nothing). Damn, reminds me of when I used to make prank phone calls when I was a kid. Oops, I still make them and I'm 37 now.....

Thanks for the inspiration, Mr. Don, and hope to see you there!

[Mike's Beard]

You MUST start a thread on there "Who's better Wishbone Ash or The Beach Boys?" 

[rogerlancelot]

You MUST start a thread on there "Who's better Wishbone Ash or The Beach Boys?" 

Sad to say I need to listen to a few samples of Wishbone first. But I'm on it first thing in the morning. I will proudly share the experiences with my friends here at SS.