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Will they release 1965 hidden gems in the next days  like that famous Chicago concert.
we got 1963 and 1964 digital releases why not 1965?

Isnt the party album released in 1965. we got that raritie from Capitol rec.

Oh man, that would be a dream come true!!

Well if Mark and Alan are still working for Capitol then of course, they would want us to hear it! I'm sure the Party sessions are there to wet our appetite for now!

Why are you so sure ?

I just have that feeling, sorry AGD! :-D I mean a while back there was talk of releasing the Beach Boys stuff Outtakes etc. through cd and Digital. I mean we now have the Big Beat 63, The 64' Sessions and the Sacramento Shows from Digital and we have the Party! Sessions Set on CD.

Well considering this year marks the 40th anniversary of Beachago.. I don't see a release of that anytime soon. Maybe for the 72nd anniversary!

Oh and this Party unplugged nonsense, now that's scraping the bottoms of some barrels.

They're not talking about Beachago (though that would be nice too). There were two live shows recorded in 1965 in Chicago, for which the band did studio vocal overdubs on a few songs, for a planned live album. The studio overdub sessions are on the Sea of Tunes live box (disc three).

Right. there are also a couple of performances on official CDs. "Shut down" (Hawthorne, CA), "409" (Singles Box), "Runaway" (Made in California). Did I forget one? Someone on this board mentioned that he also heard "Please let me wonder" from this show at Alan Boyd's home iirc.

I enjoyed the Party sessions material but I won't lie; I was dreaming of a Today and Summer Nights sessions release this year and can't help but feel disappointed.

I know this will only disappoint folk more but…

Live downloads on Amazon UK:

Washington Monument, Washington, July 4th, 1984 (Doxy Collection, Remastered, Live on Fm Broadcasting)
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01808MSZ8

Fillmore East, New York, June 27th, 1971 (Doxy Collection, Remastered, Live on Fm Broadcasting)
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Fillmore-East-Collection-Remastered-Broadcasting/dp/B01808A4UE

Ben Franklin Parkway Art Museum, Philadelphia, July 4th, 1985 (Doxy Collection, Remastered, Live on Fm Broadcasting) (feat. Jimmy Page)
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Franklin-Philadelphia-Collection-Remastered-Broadcasting/dp/B018089SU6

The Mall, Washington, July 4th, 1981 (Doxy Collection, Remastered, Live on Fm Broadcasting)
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mall-Washington-Collection-Remastered-Broadcasting/dp/B018088VYK


I only listened to a sound sample from one… and gave up…

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,4687.msg179367.html#msg179367 (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,4687.msg179367.html#msg179367)

Why did you give up John if you don't mind me asking.  I think the sound quality is pretty good.  That label released the Surfer Girl LP and a few other 'grey area' releases recently I think.

I'm sure I have a few of these (Filmore for sure) I might get the others. I wonder how long they'll be up?

It would seem odd to not have a release covering the rest of Today!/SDSN, even with the Party! CD...

Give it time, people. The previous two copyright extension releases came in the middle of December. Dare I say it, but I have faith.*

*I never thought I'd ever say these words in reference to an archival release and I fully expect to be disappointed, but hey.

I Tried buying all of these and Amazon wont let me. Is it because I am from The US??? I would love to buy all of those for my collection!!! Anyone knmow what my problem is?

First up, I wasn't that blown away by the sound quality - like the recent Carl live CD, I suspect these are recorded off the radio/TV at the time of the original broadcast rather than being from the actual love tapes and suffer accordingly.

Also, I already have these on CD from illegitimate sources - most have been knocking around a while.

Would much rather await official releases, properly mixed and mastered. Might not happen in my lifetime, but in the meantime the boots will keep me happy*.


Suspect you're right with the "country of origin" angle. I haven't looked to see whether these are Lso on iTunes but there's been a fair amount of shady stuff there too in the past.

* this answer came to me in a dream - when I awoke in a feverous sweat and checked, to my great relief I found my collection was entirly untainted by the blemish of scurrilous "bootlegs", as I believe they are known.

I have faith that a 1965 archival release will be announced/available within the next two weeks (or the next few days even).  The Big Beat was announced on December 11th, 2013 and Keep An Eye On Summer was announced on December 2nd, 2014.

What shaddy stuff been on itunes lately? I havent seen anything in a year or two but I may have missed something. Man feels like I am missing out not being able to buy those four albums from amazon uk!

Dunno. I haven't looked to see whether these are also on iTunes but there's been a fair amount of shady stuff there too in the past.

:)

I dunno about this... I mean, I'd love to see another copyright extension release to cover 1965, sure — what BB fan wouldn't? — but isn't the Party set already likely to be that? Record companies, rightly or wrongly (usually wrongly IMHO) hate putting out releases by big groups too close together, claiming that sales of one detract from another, and the space between October and December isn't very great. I've always thought that this kind of record company release logic doesn't hold for the hardcore fans anyway, as we will buy pretty much anything whenever it's out, and especially a KAEOS64 style release for 1965, but then 'Newsflash: Record Companies Proved Immune To Logical Thinking' isn't likely to be a headline any time soon...

I really hope I'm wrong, but I wonder whether the Party set might be it for this year. I mean - what would they put on a 65 set apart from more live stuff? (as you can see from this comment, I'm a bit 'meh' about live releases, especially from this period, and am really only interested in studio stuff). Most of the stereo mixes that can be done from that time are out now, I think? I'm not an expert on the period though, so if you can think of a killer tracklisting for a 65 set that has slipped my mind, feel free to educate me!

Meanwhile, I hope to be proved spectacularly, staggeringly incorrect within mere hours of this post. [starts counting seconds...]

Yeah they wouldn't do back-to-back archival releases.

Except they did... last year... Keepin' Eye on Summer Alive 1964 and Live at Sacramento 1964.

EMI just issued the earliest Syd recordings from 1965, so the extension law is still intact. Everyone knows there's plenty of material* for a potential Girl Don't Tell Me/California Girls/Let Him Run Wild/Please Let Me Wonder/Kiss Me Baby/You're So Good to Me 1965 (I'm betting on any one of those titles).

*Albeit mostly already booted.

That a Today/SDSN set (and anything else) hasn't come out yet doesn't make me think it isn't coming.  It just needs to be released by the end of the year. 

That they do a great job with the sound and sell it to us is probably just by-the-by for the company (although it's really great for us), given they're not releases of album product in the normal sense and they're just selling downloads to a small number of hardcore fans.  I'm still relaxed about it.  I can't see why it wouldn't be in the pipeline.  Although I accept I could well be corrected about that by the end of the month.

I just want that live version of "Please Let Me Wonder" with Brian from '65.

I'm mostly into studio stuff as well, but I have to say I really would like to see a release of "Please Let Me Wonder" live from Chicago in '65. It's a pretty rare thing, Brian doing a live lead on that song in the '60s, or really at all until the '90s. So it's definitely something I'd want in my collection. Also, if there were any other live covers like the version of "Runaway" from Made In California, I'd be interested in those as well.

They really should've released the Chicago show in the first half of this year. I have a friend who was born that very day of that concert, it would have made a great present for his 50th birthday.

Even though he is more of a Beatles fan. :wink

Yes, thank you! That was the post I had in mind

“Live in Chicago 1965” has dropped on Amazon digitally. Out of courtesy for waiting for the official announcement I’m burying this news here and not starting a new thread.

iTunes has it too for $17.99. Sounds great!

"Please Let Me Wonder" from Chicago!  :happydance

Great stuff! Thanks for the info, guys.

Really interesting how the arrangement on Please Let Me Wonder changes from one night to the next. Probably because the first night was kind of off the rails.

Downloading now… if in lucky I'll get to listen en route to work.

Not a bad end to the year at all! Bank account empty!!!!!

OK... so after giving it another shake, something else DID drop out of the Capitol vault supply tube before year end, in true 'Being John Malkovitch style' - great!

Is it worth anyone going up to the seven-and-a-halfth floor and having another poke around behind the filing cabinets? He said, hoping for some more studio session stuff, official stack-o-tracks/-vocals mixes etc etc...

...yeah, I know. I'm asking a lot. But, ya knaow, if ya never ay-asks... ya never getsks, right?

Plus, there's been no official announcement of the Chicago 65 Live set anywhere yet that I can find... so I'm hoping the imminently forthcoming official press release tells us all about the Chicago '65 set... along with er, the OTHER release that is, I'm hoping, about to drop...

In line with my bank balance...!  ;)

#therealbeachboys

Had a general listen to the first gig and can understand why it never saw the light of day until now… many flubbed notes, intros, forgotten lines, mic or mixing probs, too many overlaps with Beach Boys Conert!…

But what an electric performance - Mike is as confident as ever, some of his jokes even funny (in a smile kinda way, not a laugh out loud way!) - and Brian sounds on top of things, not at all stage-shy, even joking when he forgets a ton of lyrics in PLmW.

Great document… hard to appreciate though, even with 50 years' hindsight, that this same band bashing out Pappaoomowmow and Louie Louie would be tackling Good Vibes and Wouldn't it Be Nice before much longer.

I would agree that they definitely were not at their live performaning peak on these shows but nevertheless, they are fun as hell to listen to because of all of their energy. I bet the concert venue was really alive at those performances.
Thank you to all involved in getting this out. I've wanted this show for many many years and you all delivered once again.

Does the release contain the entire shows or the shows minus what was already released?

That's some of the best news in Beach Boys world in years!! Great! Can't wait to get it and listen
To me there's almost nothing better than the Beach Boys with Brian live in their early heyday. I love that act

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B018XLC97E?ie=UTF8&keywords=beach%20boys%20chicago&qid=1449846662&ref_=sr_1_1&s=dmusic&sr=1-1-mp3-albums-bar-strip-0

THIS IS AWESOME NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  So happy Chicago '65 came out, thanks to everyone that made it happen!  Great time to be Beach Boys fans with all these archival releases coming out.

It is also on iTunes.

 :woot

Seems entire to me…

Runaway on MiC is from the second show, and that's on this set

409 on the Singles Collection is the dsame as this set (second show) but it seems not to have been performed at the first show – Eric's brilliant setlist site doesn't include these shows far as I can see so can't refer there for more data.

Has anything else from Chicago '65 been released prior to today's gift? I'm guessing these are complete shows, with nothing hidden!

I think a track from one of the shows was offered as a Best Buy-exclusive download with the purchase of the “Warmth of the Sun” CD in 2007. I think it was “Shut Down.” This was in the earlier days of digital downloads; I think it had DRM and/or other restrictive stuff. I remember it being especially convoluted to actually redeem the download.

Terrific news re Chicago. If I hadn't bought Dylan's massive Cutting Edge set I'd download it straight away. Currently serving a new music ban.
Team Dylan and Team Beach Boys are leading the way as far as archival releases are concerned. Many thanks to Mark, Alan et al.
Plus I've said it before but man am I looking forward to next year - Dylan World Tour 66, more Smile (?) I'm In Great Shape acetate (?), Revolver - The Complete Sessions.
OK, I lost my mind after mentioning the I'm In Great Shape acetate.
Has In The Back Of My Mind backing track been issued officially yet - I can't remember. For sure that's one of the finest backing tracks Brian ever made.

Yep. I'm still checking in on this thread every couple of hours, hoping for something that contains an official release of that exact superlative backing track to be announced... very soon. It's sure to sell at least 500 units by January, guys!

I'm really setting myself up for a fall, here, but it's got to be worth checking in every coupla days briefly to see if anything else turns up to cover 1965's extraordinary studio sessions, right?

I'm happy others are happy, but the Chicago '65 thing just isn't doing it for me. Slightly flubbed live versions of what are really amazing tracks in the original studio versions. Nah. Not my thing (I didn't spring for Sacramento '64 either). But YMMV (and clearly does, from the number of happy downloaders already on this thread). Enjoy!

Eh, I guess I'm not going to complain about any "new" Beach Boys material being released from the vaults. If this is for copyright reasons, I doubt this gets released at the expense of something else. I see this release more as an historical document. Honestly, for a band of their longevity and popularity, they have released that much live material.

Excuse my relative ignorance, can someone fill me in on the significance of the 1965 Chicago shows and why they would need to release it for copyright purposes? I understand Sacramento 1964 was connected to Beach Boys Concert, but aside from larger compilations, this wasn't really previously released, correct?

It's being released as a way to extend the copyrights on the recordings in the EU, where recordings would go into the public domain after fifty years.

Well, in keeping with the beauty of copyright laws allowing for previously unheard riches to finally see release, the Chicago shows are a fine addition to the band's discography. Sure, they're rough around the edges and most likely would have needed extensive studio work to get them into a "live album" state. As released here, the shows are certainly energetic and the band is pretty tight for the second show. Brian sounds like he never really left the live band here. We can moan about the lack of a physical release, but the stuff is great to have in any format.

Alan or Mark will probably know; were these recorded to two-track?

Is this coming out on CD or just online like the past years

As of now it's just online. Easy enough to burn a CD with your own artwork if you see fit. You'll need two discs.

Assume though that hi-res downloads will appear on HDTracks and Pono etc before long? Haven't gone down the hi-res download road before but starting to think it's the way forward for releases such as this.

Something else of interest...

This release now proves that several of the tracks labeled as a "rehearsal" on the first SOT Live in Sacramento disc are actually rehearsals for these Chicago performances and not Sacramento as originally thought. Also add the first eight tracks of disc 3 of the SOT Live Box for the studio vocal repair tracks. If you're a nagging completist, add the previously released Chicago recordings to your set. You'll still need two discs.

This is also available on Spotify.  Can't believe there's literally been no mention of it from the official channels.  I guess they really did spend all of their budget on Uncovered and Unplugged.  :lol

Let's hope there'll be a release for the remaining '65 studio sessions.

I totally agree! I could listen to the backing track for hours.
The only official release I could think of is the "Hawthorne, CA" compilation. But that has Dennis talking over the track

This set doesn't interest me, but I'm still hoping for a 1965 studio release of additional Today and SDSN material.  Glad Capitol is putting things out like Chicago 1965 - it bodes well for other shows coming out in the future.  It's tough to wait, but you could almost expect them on schedule every year.  Sure hope some additional lost tapes from SMiLE and the rest of Wild Honey are found in time along with the vocal masters for Good Vibrations.

JOHN MANNING--  think I must have transferred Mike Loves Xmas single at same time.....!!!!

it would be nice to have this on cd, as I don't like mp3's

:lol

Have yet to download that one… tonight's treat, me thinks

I understand why they are released, for copyright extension, but what is the history with the Chicago 1965 show? Was it a scrapped live release? I understand the Sacramento 1964 show was ultimately used for Beach Boys Concert.

Correct: potential live album.

Thanks!

Sacramento 1963 as well as 1964.

I'm almost sure that Runaway on MiC is from the first show.

Who sings the bridge on Surfer Girl in the first show?
Seems like it is Dennis.

You're right!

I haven't got the files yet. Guess I'm waiting 'til January. But re: Surfer Girl, at the Michigan show in '66 Dennis sang the bridge on one performance, Carl on the other (and blew it).
Japan '66 has also Dennis singing the bridge iirc

Listening as I type. First few songs of the first show - trainwreck. The sound man should have been hung up by his balls for (apparently) placing Denny's mike inside the bass drum. Gets sonically better during "SUSA" but guys... by now you should know the words to your own songs, huh ?

First show "SG" middle-eight is Dennis... like Mike says, right before he comes in.  :)

"Runaway" is Jardine clean !

Ah, knickers. Lee Dempsey's post on the 'future copyright extension set' thread (the 19th in that thread at the time of posting, and located here (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,23150.msg551604.html#msg551604)) makes me think a 1965 studio set is much less likely to be waiting ready to go before this year's end, sadly. I explain my reasoning in the post right under Lee's.

As I did there, I'm hoping here that I am spectacularly, stupendously, ignominiously incorrect in this assumption, and that something packed with the cream of the 1965 sessions, new mixes, acapellas and Stack-O-Track mixes, kitted out with a title appropriate to the year, will be downloading its way to my iPod within a couple of days. Given how uncertain I now feel about that happening, I think a good title would be 'And Your Dream Comes True '65'... :(

WTF - no Dance, Dance, Dance? That was a hit single just few months ago, and they play "Louie, Louie" instead? Probably left it off just to annoy me 50 years later. ::)

I suspect that was just to avoid having to change guitars -- Dance Dance Dance requires a twelve-string, and in a short set it was probably much easier to keep the same guitar throughout the show rather than swap for a single song.

To which end it was entirely successful !  ;D

I respectfully disagree. First of all you can play DDd on a 6-string too, it'll just sound different. That's like claiming castagnets are required to do DDD. But even if a 12-string WAS required - I think on the sound samples I hear a 12-string throughout.

DDD is criminally neglected in live sets and releases. In fact the reason I didn't buy the 2012 live CD was because I was annoyed it was left off - it was rarely ever played on that tour. Having listened to the CD since, I don't regret not having bought it - terrible sound, stiff, without any exitement.

The sound samples of this Chicago concert release sound good, though.

Yeah the first show in Chicago had problems-You can't hear Dennis' vocals on Do You Wanna Dance and the entire band is terribly out of tune.  The band's backing vocals on "Little Honda" keep cutting out.  Brian forgets the words on Don't Worry Baby ("Carl what's the words?" and then apologizes in the middle of it "and I wrote the song too!!!")  But this was common at 60's shows-which is why most "live" albums of that time had to be overdubbed later (including the Beach Boys In Concert, Beatles at Shea Stadium-for TV release- and the Stones first live album (released only in the U.S.) Got Live If You Want It)

Obviously I mean the Beach Boys Concert 1964 not In Concert 1973

Beach Boys set lists were always a bit behind the times.  They were still playing Shut Down, Hawaii and Monster Mash, when they should have added Help Me Rhonda (released on March 8-so there brand new single), Kiss Me Baby (the B-Side) and Dance, Dance, Dance (their Dec 64 single).  But I guess that would have required extra work to get them ready to play live.

It may be that they didn't add the new songs in for this show because Brian was guesting on bass, having not played with them regularly for three months. Anyone know if they did those songs at other shows around that time?

They did DDD with Brian on bass guitar in THE TAMI SHOW and SHINDIG.

And great performances, too. Mediocre audio quality there, though.

Finally got around to downloading Live in Chicago 1965 last night. I'm almost through the second show and am really enjoying it. I can't add much to what has already been said. Definitely not perfect, but very high energy and impressive to a straight live show without studio sweetening. I'm curious what songs they would have pulled from this two night stand without duplicating the first concert LP. They essentially had 11 songs to choose from:

Do You Wanna Dance (neither performance was especially strong, especially night one, though they could overdub in studio)
Little Honda
Surfin' U.S.A.
Don't Worry Baby
Louie Louie
Surfer Girl (night two, was better than night one, IMO)
Runaway
Shut Down
Wendy
Please Let Me Wonder
409

Also, does anyone else here the opening chords to "Then I Kissed Her" at the end of Monster Mash on night two? I know this would have pre-dated the studio recording by several months.

We listed a number of set lists in my book with Jon but it's been awhile since I looked at it. Probably has sets from around that time for comparison

There are tons out outtakes on numerous bootlegs from the year 1965 (capitol punishments, sea of tune....)
and it appears that we won't get a digital release of those finest moments !
Keep an eye on summer for 1964 was a beautiful release.
We deserve a good release for 1965

It's the last Friday before Christmas so I don't think it's happening after all. Maybe next year will be a reissue of the Pet Sounds Sessions... with an extra disc?

The fact that we got Chicago '65 this year probably means that next year, we'll get Michigan '66.  Now THAT'S an awesome concert.

If a set of the 1965 sessions isn't released before the year is over, does it mean those sessions become part of the public domain? What does that mean for us? Can we go to Capitol HQ and ask for a free copy of the sessions? Is Capitol under legal obligation of making a free copy available somewhere/somehow? As long as I can get my hands on those sessions, I really don't care if I have to pay for them or get them by some other (legal) means. But what are those means?

Also, does it mean that people can legally distribute the bootleg recordings of those sessions?

I'm no copyright lawyer, but I would guess the basic answer is no, because most of what was recorded at Beach Boys sessions in 1965 HAS been released — as completed tracks on the albums that came out in that year. The sessions leading to the finished tracks with vocals might not have come out officially, but the finished tracks being out, as I understand it, means the copyright on those sessions continues to exist. I believe copyright law deems that the finished tracks and the sessions leading to them are part of the same recording (however screwy that might seem to musicians, the general public, or anyone who knows how multitrack recordings are made).

If I understand this situation correctly, this means that the only recordings on which copyright might expire at the end of this year are tracks that were recorded then, have been booted since, and have never been released officially in ANY form. And as folks were discussing upthread... there aren't actually too many of those as far as 1965 is concerned. Read upthread if you haven't already... 1965 is not a great year for booted but as-yet officially unreleased BB stuff. Even stuff like the orchestral arrangement of Three Blind Mice came out on the SMiLE boxed set, so copyright continues on that. Other than that... there's a mere handful of tracks. The contrast with 1963, which had all that stuff that came out on The Big Beat, is quite stark.

I may have some wires crossed in my explanation above... if so, I'm sure someone will be along to correct me shortly...!

I think your description is correct in terms of what Capitol (and other labels presumably) are thinking/assuming/know about the copyright law. It certainly doesn’t make any sense to me from a copyright standpoint, and I don’t know if they’d be 100% successful if challenged on the issue on either side of a court action.

If it’s physical recordings being copyrighted (and not just the compositions themselves being copyrighted), then it indeed is screwy that any material tied to a particular released, finished master is protected. How in the world would this be established? What are the guidelines? If the session takes place on the same day, does that count? What about on a different day? What if it’s clearly an alternate iteration rather than just a different take, like Mike’s alternate lead vocal/lyrics on “Please Let Me Wonder”?

Okay, so if the rule is that it’s any alternate version of a song that led up to the finished, released version (even if it’s in a different key, or different musicians, or different lyrics), then what if there’s an unreleased song of which a recording exists from, say, 1980, and then there is an early take of the song from 1965? Is that 1965 recording still covered?

If a 1964 demo of “I’m Going Your Way” surfaces, is that covered?

Lots of grey areas. But yes, within the context of what they have or haven’t released on these “extension” sets, it certainly must be that the law reads in such a way that raw sessions are covered and protected. Otherwise, the various sets would have had every second of what’s on the SOT releases.

I think where people have become confused concerns the fact that some of these “extension” sets have included stuff that presumably didn’t *have* to be included (many of the alternate mixes on last year’s “Keep an Eye on Summer”, etc.).

I know, Jude, it's utterly wack, isn't it? As in so many areas, the law doesn't seem to take account of any of the realities where (in this case) music recording, composition, or songwriting are concerned. It just looks at the finished track and says 'anything that led to this is essentially... the same thing'. Well, no. And maybe that could be challenged in some cases, although you'd probably have to have time, patience and a profound love of paying lots and lots of shiny moolah to copyright lawyers to get that idea to stand up in court...!

I mean, to take a very on-topic example... I read a review of the Party set somewhere in the last couple of weeks that mentions that in the sessions running up to a take of one of the tracks that ended up on the album, a guitarist (can't remember who, and haven't got the set myself, so can't check) is noodling the riff to what later becomes Billy Strange's riff on Sloop John B. Does that mean that legally, the session for that Party track also protects the copyright of Sloop John B, as one might be said to have ultimately led to the recording of the other...? What about recordings of in-studio live band jams that end up leading to ideas for multiple tracks...?

Law in 'resembling donkey' horror shock...

You're also right that it seems odd that the previous two copyright extension releases of BB-related stuff that came out on Capitol also contained material that HAD been out before, or alternate versions of released songs... but I think the reasons for that are also revealed upthread. Basically, the guys running the BB archive, being spectacularly super fellows, did their best to get as much unreleased stuff out to us as they could whenever Capitol was willing to spend the money to put out a copyright extension release, so we got extra stuff too (session highlights of existing songs, accapella mixes and backing tracks minus vocals, new stereo mixes of hits we all know, etc).

Here's where I depart from known facts and start speculating, but it makes sense to me that if the will to put out a copyright extension release for a particular year *doesn't* exist at the record company in the first place (because, say, there isn't much stuff for that year that requires a copyright extension...?), then there's no release onto which the backroom boys can piggyback that kind of extra material. New mixes and session highlights cost money to edit and prepare for release, and if the record company doesn't think it will make back its outlay, or it will but the resulting profit will be too small, nothing will happen. It looks as though that's the case where 1965/2015 is concerned...

In another universe, I wonder if a limited-edition version of the Party set that has actually come out was considered, with an extra disc covering the limited copyright extension stuff for 1965 and the best of the studio sessions. That would have been a great way to once again 'piggy back' that studio stuff out on an existing release. Who knows, perhaps that was proposed in THIS universe, but if so, I guess the bean counters at Capitol/EMI musta nixed it, as we don't have anything of that sort.

I'm hardly a member of the general record-buying public where Beach Boys releases are concerned, so this will be of no interest to Capitol whatsoever, but here's my story, for what it's worth: I haven't bought the new Party set, and have no plans to. There isn't enough on it that interests me to make me want it, fan as I am. BUT: if there had been a limited-edition version of the Party set containing an extra disc like KAEOS '64 to cover 1965's sessions, I would have crossed the country to buy the damn thing if need be (like I did to get the SMiLE box slightly early). No, *really*. Especially if it had an official mix of the 1965 backing track to 'In The Back Of My Mind' on it. If I'm honest, if I could have got just that recording officially by buying a Party set with an extra disc for a higher price than the regular set, they would have made a sale. I can see that I'm hardly a typical customer, although I bet a few people on this board would have done the same. There probably aren't enough of us to make a difference to Capitol, though. They'll know how many copies of The Big Beat and KAEOS sold by now, and I'm guessing the figures didn't bring them enough in the way of Christmas cheer the past couple of years...?

I still hope I'm spectacularly wrong about all of this, mind.

Somewhere, in another universe, maybe another me is listening to that official 1965 studio sessions disc right now, and enjoying it just as much as I did with Keep An Eye On Summer in the run up to Christmas last year. Ah, curse you, Red Baron!

And then we have the Bob Dylan release of previously released (one would assume copyrighted stuff) but every session recorded in 1965. 

Regardless of what is covered and what isn't why couldn't we have that kind of release.  Sea of Tunesish if you know what I mean!  I'm people who have that series would still buy the official versions for better mixes etc.

I really wish they had at least found some way to finally release the unbooted tracking session/backing track for "Sherry She Needs Me", though I suppose the copyright for that is safe because they released the 1976 version that uses it on Made In California.  Still, there's stuff in the vaults that would have been nice to hear in better quality/remixed form.

 

This logic certainly would explain why there wasn't a 1964 or 1965 Beatles archival release....they don't really have any unreleased titles from those years -- "If You've Got Trouble," "That Means A Lot," "12-Bar Original," and "Leave My Kitten Alone" all have been released, so there's no real reason (other than to give fans what they want) to release any sessions from that time, and there's more than enough live material already released. (And what was released in 1977 on the Hollywood Bowl album is safe.) But yeah, unless there's something we don't know about unreleased titles in the Beach Boys' catalog from 1965, then there's no real reason to get anything out past that Chicago show and the Party! outtakes. (And I guess it finally settles the argument as to whether or not the Beach Boys recorded a version of "Sloop John B" during those sessions. My guess is that whoever first made that assumption heard one of the "Ticket To Ride" outtakes and drew a connection between the guitar riff there and the guitar riff in the released "Sloop John B.")

Now, having said that, what stuff from 1966 could possibly go on a "copyright extension" release this year? Other than perhaps the Michigan concert, I really can't think of anything. There's nothing missing from Pet Sounds, and all of the 1966 Smile songs that have been found -- as far as I'm aware -- are accounted for on at least one release. (As for the Beatles...does this mean finally "Carnival of Light"?)

Barcelona !

Gonna be the first to point out that Andrew is making a "Carnival of Light" reference.