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Amazing Larry
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Re: The Country Air \
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November 26, 2009, 12:18:59 PM »
Dunno, but it doesn't sound like an organ.
Here's a link
http://www.planetmellotron.com/revb2.htm#beachboys
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Interesting... but hardly convincing. For one thing, the band never owned a Chamberlain - Desper had to borrow one to construct Brian's 'water machine'.
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Damn, you're right, again.
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Re: The Country Air \
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Organs can sound like an amazing range of things. They really were designed as the first synthesizers.
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Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on November 26, 2009, 12:41:52 PM
Interesting... but hardly convincing. For one thing, the band never owned a Chamberlain - Desper had to borrow one to construct Brian's 'water machine'.
What was this "Water Machine"?
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November 27, 2009, 01:08:26 AM »
i dig that "edit" in i'd love just once to see you. I never considered it a mistake.
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Re: The Country Air \
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November 27, 2009, 07:51:23 AM »
Quote from: Crinkleman123 on November 27, 2009, 12:13:17 AM
Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on November 26, 2009, 12:41:52 PM
Interesting... but hardly convincing. For one thing, the band never owned a Chamberlain - Desper had to borrow one to construct Brian's 'water machine'.
What was this "Water Machine"?
Brian decided, during the
Smile
sessions, that he wanted a keyboard that played water sounds - drips, streams, taps, waterfalls - so Steve Desper was commissioned to do just that. He borrowed a friends Chamberlain (or however you spell it), then hiked up to the mountains for a few days recording natural water. Back in LA he further recorded taps and the like, then transferred the sounds (by then pitch-shifted) to the Chamberlain. There were something like three sets of tapes. Anyway, it's set up, Brian comes in, plays it for maybe ten minutes, says "that's nice", and never touched it again.
Steve recalled that when they were recording "Cool, Cool Water", they wanted to use those tapes again - but they'd been wiped. Enter Bernie Krause...
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Re: The Country Air \
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November 27, 2009, 08:38:40 AM »
Nothing to do with this then:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/video/2009/nov/22/fluid-piano-classical-music
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Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on November 27, 2009, 07:51:23 AM
Quote from: Crinkleman123 on November 27, 2009, 12:13:17 AM
Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on November 26, 2009, 12:41:52 PM
Interesting... but hardly convincing. For one thing, the band never owned a Chamberlain - Desper had to borrow one to construct Brian's 'water machine'.
What was this "Water Machine"?
Brian decided, during the
Smile
sessions, that he wanted a keyboard that played water sounds - drips, streams, taps, waterfalls - so Steve Desper was commissioned to do just that. He borrowed a friends Chamberlain (or however you spell it), then hiked up to the mountains for a few days recording natural water. Back in LA he further recorded taps and the like, then transferred the sounds (by then pitch-shifted) to the Chamberlain. There were something like three sets of tapes. Anyway, it's set up, Brian comes in, plays it for maybe ten minutes, says "that's nice", and never touched it again.
Steve recalled that when they were recording "Cool, Cool Water", they wanted to use those tapes again - but they'd been wiped. Enter Bernie Krause...
I wonder what he was going to do with it.
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Re: The Country Air \
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November 27, 2009, 03:20:31 PM »
Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on November 27, 2009, 07:51:23 AM
Quote from: Crinkleman123 on November 27, 2009, 12:13:17 AM
Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on November 26, 2009, 12:41:52 PM
Interesting... but hardly convincing. For one thing, the band never owned a Chamberlain - Desper had to borrow one to construct Brian's 'water machine'.
What was this "Water Machine"?
Brian decided, during the
Smile
sessions, that he wanted a keyboard that played water sounds - drips, streams, taps, waterfalls - so Steve Desper was commissioned to do just that. He borrowed a friends Chamberlain (or however you spell it), then hiked up to the mountains for a few days recording natural water. Back in LA he further recorded taps and the like, then transferred the sounds (by then pitch-shifted) to the Chamberlain. There were something like three sets of tapes. Anyway, it's set up, Brian comes in, plays it for maybe ten minutes, says "that's nice", and never touched it again.
Steve recalled that when they were recording "Cool, Cool Water", they wanted to use those tapes again - but they'd been wiped. Enter Bernie Krause...
Now this is the most interesting post I have read on here yet. Early sampling? Damn, Bri, you never stop amazing me! Except when you did those Xmas albums ('64, '77 & '05). Stop with that already!
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Re: The Country Air \
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November 27, 2009, 06:01:14 PM »
Brian was HARDLY an innovator with the Chamberlain/Mellotron. The Chamberlain had been around since the 1950s.
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Re: The Country Air \
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Quote from: c-man on November 22, 2009, 08:02:27 PM
Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on November 22, 2009, 01:56:02 AM
I've always assumed it's supposed to be there, bit like that 'edge-of-hearing' guitar on one fragment of "BWTL".
The "Country Air" buzz reminds me of a muted trumpeter's swan, so I dig it.
Uhhthankyouverymuch suh.....
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Re: The Country Air \
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the group most certainly did use a Chamberlin (later on "add some music" for instance), not 100% sure if "country air" has it or not though. sounds like it could be a brass and/or strings tape. the distortion sounds like the microphone was clipping, not the amp or the instrument itself. i've noticed this happening when recording high pitched sounds (such as organ, etc) with certain old electro voice microphones.
couldn't find a chamberlin clip, but this is in the ball park
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8qU3LckK7k
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Re: The Country Air \
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thanks for the website link.
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Re: The Country Air \
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Quote from: DonnyL on December 03, 2009, 09:12:35 PM
the group most certainly did use a Chamberlin (later on "add some music" for instance)
Not saying they didn't - just that they never
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Re: The Country Air \
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December 14, 2009, 01:21:14 PM »
I dunno why that bootleg "Smiley Smile/Wild Honey" in stereo hasn't been given proper release...
The stereo mix of "I Was Made To Love Her" is MUCH better than the album version. The 'Rarities' bit is in its proper place instead of tacked onto the end, and there's a lost intro as well. Along with other little elements that didn't make it.
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Re: The Country Air \
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December 14, 2009, 01:34:22 PM »
And yes, I'd also like to know where this "edge of hearing" guitar is on BWTL!
I listened to it (the 2fer version) and couldn't spot that...
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Re: The Country Air \
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Quote from: TheLazenby on December 14, 2009, 01:21:14 PM
The stereo mix of "I Was Made To Love Her" is MUCH better than the album version. The 'Rarities' bit is in its proper place instead of tacked onto the end, and there's a lost intro as well. Along with other little elements that didn't make it.
Now this sounds very interesting....
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Re: The Country Air \
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December 14, 2009, 06:47:11 PM »
Quote from: TheLazenby on December 14, 2009, 01:21:14 PM
I dunno why that bootleg "Smiley Smile/Wild Honey" in stereo hasn't been given proper release...
Probably because an official mix of these sessions from the masters would be a hundred times better?
Not trying to sound like an ass, there, just saying - I'd much rather hear an official remix.
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December 14, 2009, 08:49:30 PM »
Well, now you do sound like an ass, because the bootleg CD was sourced from official mixes.... :-P
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December 15, 2009, 08:54:33 AM »
Quote from: TheLazenby on December 14, 2009, 08:49:30 PM
Well, now you do sound like an ass, because the bootleg CD was sourced from official mixes.... :-P
Nope. The CD did use what was officially released in stereo from the two albums at the time (around 2002), but the rest of the stereo mixes are either from the SOTs (meaning, basically, the most "completed" version on the set), or, in the case of several other Smiley Smile and Wild Honey songs, rechanneled to sound like stereo. Pretty much all you have there is a glorified duophonic release with a few binaural and even fewer true stereo mixes. It's a Frankenstein's monster on the level of 20/20!
And is it not worth mentioning that the official stereo mix of Heroes and Villains is technically not "true" stereo, due to missing a few overdubs here and there?
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Re: The Country Air \
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December 15, 2009, 11:13:16 AM »
Well, okay, I'm the ass then. :-)
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December 15, 2009, 11:46:51 AM »
Don't take it personally, bud. There are far bigger culos on this forum.
But yeah, that bootleg is basically a few of the official stereo mixes (Heroes and Villains, Vegetables, Let The Wind Blow), 8 full (She's Goin' Bald, Wind Chimes, Wonderful, Wild Honey, I Was Made To Love Her, A Thing Or Two, Darlin', Here Comes The Night) and 2 partial (With Me Tonight, Gettin' Hungry) SOT-derived binaural stereo mixes, and a few other rechanneled mixes (everything else). There is an official unreleased stereo mix of Country Air, made sometime around 2002.
Besides, anyone who actually reads the slightly more scholarly posts on this forum would know that a full stereo remix of Smiley Smile is impossible due to the lack of vocal multitracks for Good Vibrations, Heroes and Villains was also missing a few overdubs in its stereo mix, and the tag to Vegetables is also missing a few overdubs in the stereo version.
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