Stephen Kalinich - ONLY collaborator with ALL 3 Wilson brothers?

[mikeyj]

Im pretty sure that Ive read claims that Stephen Kalinich was the only "outsider" to collaborate with all three Wilson brothers, but what about Jack Rieley?

*Brian - A Day In The Life of A Tree, Funky Pretty, Marcella, Radio King Dom, Sail On Sailor, You Need A Mess of Help To Stand Alone
*Carl - Feel Flows, Long Promised Road, The Trader
* Dennis - Steamboat

[Susan]

I used that as a trivia question over on Shut Down a couple of years ago, and was promptly...er...shut down.  Jack Reilly was mentioned, and i think someone else was, too.  Unfortunately my memory for BB facts and trivia wouldn't win me any prizes...

[mikeyj]

I used that as a trivia question over on Shut Down a couple of years ago, and was promptly...er...shut down.  Jack Reilly was mentioned, and i think someone else was, too.  Unfortunately my memory for BB facts and trivia wouldn't win me any prizes...

Well I don't blame you, even Mr. Kalinich (I'm not having a go at him, of course everyone makes mistakes, especially considering how many wrong facts are printed about The Beach Boys!!) claims that he is the "only man on earth to have collaborated with all three Beach Boy brothers Brian, Carl and Dennis Wilson." (SOURCE: http://www.stephenkalinich.com/sjknews.html)

I suppose if you wanted to get technical, you could say that Steve Korthof and Jon Parks also wrote with all three Wilson brothers on "When A Man Needs A Woman" (Wilson/Wilson/Wilson/Jardine/Korthof/Parks).. although I can't think of anyone else to write with all three Wilson brothers?

[c-man]

Im pretty sure that Ive read claims that Stephen Kalinich was the only "outsider" to collaborate with all three Wilson brothers, but what about Jack Rieley?

*Brian - A Day In The Life of A Tree, Funky Pretty, Marcella, Radio King Dom, Sail On Sailor, You Need A Mess of Help To Stand Alone
*Carl - Feel Flows, Long Promised Road, The Trader
* Dennis - Steamboat

You should add "Fourth Of July" to the songs he wrote with Dennis, even though he's not given a credit on the box set release. 

[tpesky]

Mike Love??!!??

Brian-too many to count

Dennis- Only With You, 10,000 Years, Pacific Ocean Blue

Carl- All This Is That  (Jardine, Love, C.Wilson)


Alan Jardine??!!

Brian- Alot of the Friends album, Santa Ana Winds, others

Dennis- It's About Time

Carl- All This Is That, and I want to say something else on So Tough too

[tpesky]

Although not technically outsiders, its a technical answer   

[Jon Stebbins]

Outsider = someone from outside the band.
Mike Love and Jack Reilly do not qualify, Mike being in the band, and Reilly being the band's MANAGER. Sheesh.

The "Only man on earth" claim is going a bit too far, but this trivia generated from the "outsider' qualification and I think it holds up okay. Korthoff/Parks may be a good technical exception, but Kalinich has a bunch with Brian and Dennis, although only one with Carl that I'm aware of.

[pixletwin]

Outsider = someone from outside the band.
Mike Love and Jack Reilly do not qualify, Mike being in the band, and Reilly being the band's MANAGER. Sheesh.

I think by band he meant anyone not "IN" the band. Was Brian Epstein "IN" the Beatles? Meh... I need a glass... 

[Jon Stebbins]

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I think by band he meant anyone not "IN" the band. Was Brian Epstein "IN" the Beatles? Meh... I need a glass... 
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Who said "band"? Who is "he"? I'm lost.

[pixletwin]

I am the walrus. Goo goo ga joob? 

Your confusion has me confused. 

[Magic Transistor Radio]

Who has Murray written with? I know he did Breakaway with Brian. Did he do anything with Dennis or Carl?

Of course he was not really an outsider either.

[mikeyj]

Who said "band"? Who is "he"? I'm lost.

Im not sure, but maby he (pixletwin) was referring to me? And even though I didn't specify (sorry about that), I was referring to people who weren't in the Beach Boys (ie: people who weren't band members).

[mikee]

Im pretty sure that Ive read claims that Stephen Kalinich was the only "outsider" to collaborate with all three Wilson brothers, but what about Jack Rieley?

Not sure what the definition or relevance of "outsider" would be, so ignoring that:

If you indeed mean "collaborate" (as in cooperating to produce a work of art)  probably Murry Wilson, Chuck Britz, and Hal Blaine.
If you only mean at least a part-writer of a song by each Wilson brother it might well still be Murry.     

[Susan]

What did Murry write with Dennis or with Carl?  I don't remember hearing or reading of any collaborations there...

[Jon Stebbins]

Yeh Murry didn't write anything with Dennis or Carl that we know of, or that made it onto tape or an LP. Kalinich is the ONLY guy from the outside...non member/manager/family member to write songs that made it onto released LP's with all three Wilson Brothers...Brian, Dennis and Carl. Okay? I think that's pretty clear. If you want to get technical then the Korthoff/Parks credit might be the one exception, except Korthoff is technically a family member, leaving John Parks as the lone exception.

In fact Kalinich can take it a step further as he also wrote songs with Al Jardine and David Marks.

[Andrew G. Doe]

If I may toss a peble into the pond, are we sure that he actually collaborated with Carl on "Rainbows", or did he just make a small contribution to an existing composition (or for that matter, did Carl do the same) ?

[Jon Stebbins]

If I may toss a peble into the pond, are we sure that he actually collaborated with Carl on "Rainbows", or did he just make a small contribution to an existing composition (or for that matter, did Carl do the same) ?

 

Errr....I think its Stevie K. who says "I Love You" on Please Let Me Wonder.

[pixletwin]

Errr....I think its Stevie K. who says "I Love You" on Please Let Me Wonder.

Mystery solved!!!! 

[mikee]

Yeh Murry didn't write anything with Dennis or Carl that we know of, or that made it onto tape or an LP.

True - as far as is known.  I am just surmising.  It would be fairly typical though, for him to have collaborated with them in some way that did not include a co-writing credit. 
Dennis was close to and in frequent contact with Murry during the early 70's period when he started composing.  He always wanted  his Dad's approval and his Dad was always eager to give his opinions.   The funny thing is Murry's opinions on the music were often insightful and sometimes followed. (as in suggesting a different speed for 'Caroline, No' - for a well known instance).  Some of his advice may well found it's way onto recorded songs from Dennis and Carl - and for one reason or another this did not find it's way into Beach Boy lore.  Again I am just guessing but if I had to bet, I would wager that there would be a few instances of Murry ideas on songs by Dennis and by Carl.               

[Susan]

Not to play semantics here, but to collaborate in a songwriting sense is not the same as taking someone's ideas and somehow having them find their way into songs.

[mikee]

Not to play semantics here, but to collaborate in a songwriting sense is not the same as taking someone's ideas and somehow having them find their way into songs.

Yes - but the question as originally posed, by Mikeyj (another of the alpha-Mike greats)  did not restrict collaboration to "songwriting".  That is part of my point. 

Im pretty sure that Ive read claims that Stephen Kalinich was the only "outsider" to collaborate with all three Wilson brothers, but what about Jack Rieley?

Collaboration can also be in the form of arranging, production, and performance.