Mike and Bruce Tour 2015

[Mendota Heights]

BTW, the pic on the tickets page shows Christian, instead of Jeff. Don't hear anyone bitching about that.  

And here is the reason why:

Brian Wilson = Beach Boy
Al Jardine = Beach Boy
David Marks = Beach Boy

Jeff Foskett = not Beach Boy
Christian Love = not Beach Boy

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

BTW, the pic on the tickets page shows Christian, instead of Jeff. Don't hear anyone bitching about that.  

Brian Wilson = Beach Boy
Al Jardine = Beach Boy
David Marks = Beach Boy

Jeff Foskett = not Beach Boy
Christian Love = not Beach Boy

Aren't they at least Beach-Type-People?

[Andrew G. Doe]

But it's still misleading advertising concerning an M&B gig - you guys really missed a trick there.  

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

These mykolites are such a pain over a lame nostalgia act like M&B. What kind of reward do you get from being Mike's water carriers?

Do you get pointed at by Mike at a M&B show?, paid with free tickets?, and mentioned in Mike's book?

I don't get why you guys are so negative about Brian Wilson and so high on his fucking slimeball cousin.

but when Mike points at me does this mean I'm going backstage or to his trailer?

[Andrew G. Doe]

I don't get why you guys are so negative about Brian Wilson and so high on his fucking slimeball cousin.

Irrespective of the perceived merits of the various bands, a comment like this makes me feel ashamed to associated with such a small-minded cadre of so-called "fans" of this wonderful band. Were I you, I wouldn't expect to be posting on this board for a while, as I can't believe the mods will let this pass.

[SMiLE Brian]

AGD, that isn't a board rule. You made that up to try to get me and OSD banned.

[Wirestone]

I wholeheartedly agree. It's ridiculous to think that attacks on band members are worthy of banning folks on the board.

Frankly, I always found OSD's exile curious for that reason.

[Andrew G. Doe]

He was banned for something else entirely, as Billy explained several times.

[Andrew G. Doe]

AGD, that isn't a board rule. You made that up to try to get me and OSD banned.

Part of rule #2: "Please behave and not be an embarrassment to the good name of Brian Wilson and the Beach Boys." I think referring to the lead singer of said combo as a "fucking slimeball" in a public qualifies as an embarrassment given that they monitor this forum and others.

[SMiLE Brian]

I wholeheartedly agree. It's ridiculous to think that attacks on band members are worthy of banning folks on the board.

Frankly, I always found OSD's exile curious for that reason.

There is a double standard here for sure:

1. attack Mike and risk a ban.
2. call BW a puppet of others and its accepted.

[SMiLE Brian]

AGD, that isn't a board rule. You made that up to try to get me and OSD banned.

Part of rule #2: "Please behave and not be an embarrassment to the good name of Brian Wilson and the Beach Boys." I think referring to the lead singer of said combo as a "fucking slimeball" in a public qualifies as an embarrassment given that they monitor this forum and others.

If it was up to you, it would be "do not ever attack Mike Love since he is the BBs legacy keeper. Attacks on BW are okay since he is controlled by his wife and managers against his will and loving cousin."

[Andrew G. Doe]

Nope, if it was up to me we'd have reasoned discussions without one party snarling, growling and foaming at the mouth like a rabid dog at the mere mention of someone's name. No-one is above deserved criticism.

But it's not, and that's probably a very good thing.

[filledeplage]

AGD, that isn't a board rule. You made that up to try to get me and OSD banned.

Part of rule #2: "Please behave and not be an embarrassment to the good name of Brian Wilson and the Beach Boys." I think referring to the lead singer of said combo as a "fucking slimeball" in a public qualifies as an embarrassment given that they monitor this forum and others.

If it was up to you, it would be "do not ever attack Mike Love since he is the BBs legacy keeper. Attacks on BW are okay since he is controlled by his wife and managers against his will and loving cousin."

Rules from Rules and Guidelines - read this before posting.

"Rule 2) Treat others as you want to be treated. Think about what you are saying before you post a message. Lift each other up, don't  tear each other down. Harassment of members is not tolerated. Please behave and not be an embarrassment to the good name of Brian Wilson and the Beach Boys."

There appears to be a "presumption" of the good name of all the members.  That would mean every member.

That appears to be the underlying concept, here.  

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

When's the last time someone called Brian Wilson a fucking slimeball on this board?

And there's talk of negativity?

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

AGD, that isn't a board rule. You made that up to try to get me and OSD banned.

Part of rule #2: "Please behave and not be an embarrassment to the good name of Brian Wilson and the Beach Boys." I think referring to the lead singer of said combo as a "fucking slimeball" in a public qualifies as an embarrassment given that they monitor this forum and others.

If it was up to you, it would be "do not ever attack Mike Love since he is the BBs legacy keeper. Attacks on BW are okay since he is controlled by his wife and managers against his will and loving cousin."

Personal attacks on either,  esp on their families are what i myself have an issue with. As far as banning for that, though,.that's not happening unless it's an issue that could result in a libel suit.

As I've said numerous times, osd was not banned for not liking Mike...that would be a very stupid reason. I wasn't even the one who.actually put the ban in, although i supported it. In any case, he's back now, and hasn't done anything for me to regret reinstating him, so let's leave the past in the past.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

These mykolites are such a pain over a lame nostalgia act like M&B. What kind of reward do you get from being Mike's water carriers?

Do you get pointed at by Mike at a M&B show?, paid with free tickets?, and mentioned in Mike's book?

I don't get why you guys are so negative about Brian Wilson and so high on his fucking slimeball cousin.

Point me to a thread where the specific posters accused are negative on Brian. Not being sarcastic. ..i really do want to see the posting url so i can see the posts for myself.

[Sheriff John Stone]

It's ridiculous to think that attacks on band members are worthy of banning folks on the board.

You have any problems with this?

Post from 11/30/14 -  Wirestone wrote: A petty, short sighted, self centered, insecure, conniving, little dipshit of a man.

A "little dipshit of a man"? If somebody wrote that about Brian Wilson, you'd be the first one in line calling for a ban.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

These mykolites are such a pain over a lame nostalgia act like M&B. What kind of reward do you get from being Mike's water carriers?

Do you get pointed at by Mike at a M&B show?, paid with free tickets?, and mentioned in Mike's book?

I don't get why you guys are so negative about Brian Wilson and so high on his fucking slimeball cousin.

Point me to a thread where the specific posters accused are negative on Brian. Not being sarcastic. ..i really do want to see the posting url so i can see the posts for myself.

Mykolites is a good term though

[Mikie]

When's the last time someone called Brian Wilson a fucking slimeball on this board?

Brian Wilson has never been called a fucking slimeball because he isn't one.

[donald]

No need - just click on "tickets" then hover over the seating map. You'll see that the most expensive regular (i.e. non-VIP experience) seat is $69.50 ($80.55 with taxes and fees). However, the usual suspects were so busy being outraged at this latest example Mike's sheer greed that they couldn't be bothered to do such a simple thing. Really, it's like shooting fish in a barrel with a bazooka, with the fish handing me the shells.
That's about £51, which isn't too unreasonable.

BTW, the pic on the tickets page shows Christian, instead of Jeff. Don't hear anyone bitching about that.  

My intent was not to add to the Mike is satan tone of things, I was sincerely shocked at what I thought were the actual venue price for decent seats.    The website lists cheap to best price seats along side dates and pictures of upcoming acts.  Having been to the Ryman previously I thought these were straight up prices.   I didn't even know they had VIP for the basic Mike and Bruce and company shows.   Now I see club Kokomo etc.  by the way, WTF is club Kokomo?

by the way, I have seen every Mike and Bruce show Playing wherever I can manage to attend since 2008.  I am not a ML basher.  Nor a Bruce or JF basher.     the thread title is 2015 tour.   I was talking about show prices.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

When's the last time someone called Brian Wilson a fucking slimeball on this board?

Brian Wilson has never been called a fucking slimeball because he isn't one.

Neither is Mike

[Wirestone]

It's ridiculous to think that attacks on band members are worthy of banning folks on the board.

You have any problems with this?

Post from 11/30/14 -  Wirestone wrote: A petty, short sighted, self centered, insecure, conniving, little dipshit of a man.

A "little dipshit of a man"? If somebody wrote that about Brian Wilson, you'd be the first one in line calling for a ban.

If you actually believe that, you must not have read my posts particularly closely over the past nine-plus years. I have never, ever called for someone to be banned based upon their opinions of anyone in the group. And that's because I do think, honestly, that posters should be able to say whatever they think on that subject.

In general, I am uncomfortable with anyone being banned -- outright harassment and bullying of other posters excepted.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Re: the last point, I'm with you. I very rarely ban anyone...i personally dislike having to. Heck, there have been members who have criticized me privately (and occasionally publicly. ..) for letting things 'get out of hand'.  So, yeah, i would never ban anyone for their opinions.

Some the attacks people are making on each other,  however,  ARE seriously crossing the line, however.

[guitarfool2002]

OK, did you notice I said "otherwise" and admitted my error?  Calm down...

Who isn't calm in this? It's all cool, but no need to tell me or anyone to calm down. Seriously, it was explained back on page 3, and not singling you out, but this whole thing from the first replies that were posted to the Smoking Gun link did not consider the most basic content of that page, or specifically pages 1 and 2 of what the SG site posted. That content being the fact that such a document could not have existed prior to a certain date, end of story, case closed. Yet there were still attempts to suggest otherwise, to discredit it, to remove its relevancy to the discussion at hand, etc based on its age. If something that is a hard and established fact, as in a date or year, is put through the wringer like this, it's surprising everything stayed as relatively calm as it did.

Wasn't there a recent autographed album or something that a poster linked to on this board which featured a Dennis Wilson autograph on an album, and the point was that the album came out after Dennis had passed away...or something like that? Let's say we all as fans know exactly when Dennis passed, and there was the owner of said album trying to tell us fans it was legit. What would be the reaction? How long before frustration would set in since we fans know beyond any doubt that anything released after 1983 claiming to be autographed by Dennis was an outright fraud...and how long would the patience last if the person defending such an autographed album refused to see what the hard and established facts of the timeline were saying about his/her claims?

It's the same deal with this contract in question. Yes, some fans may not have known or spotted the specifics, but they are there in black and white, hard facts that are established facts and not subject to opinions. Those facts from the first time posters clicked on the SG link proved 100% that the document was not as old as some were saying. My analogy earlier is probably the best one to consider: If there is a Beach Boys document which is not dated, yet has official/legal references to "Brother Records", we know beyond any trace of doubt that it could not have been written before a certain point in 1967. There is no debating or nuancing that kind of fact. And the same situation existed on at least two pages posted by Smoking Gun...yet it was challenged by numerous posters. There is/was the issue.

[The LEGENDARY OSD]

When's the last time someone called Brian Wilson a fucking slimeball on this board?

Brian Wilson has never been called a fucking slimeball because he isn't one.

Right, Mikie, and I highly doubt you ever will. In the case of Mike Love, it must be common knowledge that he is not held in high regard not only here, but other boards as well. youtube, Facebook, and various and sundry sites, such as I Hate Mike Love or Mike Love Is An Asshole, and so on. Are there sites or boards that follow suit about Brian, Carl, Dennis, Al, David or even Bruce? No. So then, why Mike and only Mike? Of course there have been negative, even bashing comments made over time about all of them but in the long run, it's clearly the lovester that draws far and beyond the bulk of the ire of fans and the general public as well. Look at his pathetic fan club site where he periodically gets bashed.
There has to be very strong, clear reasons for this type of  disdain for any individual. The answer? Simple-he's clearly earned this reputation by acts of greed and jealousy through time. He is, without a doubt, the most hated, laughed at performer in the music business. The list of reasons reads like a dictionary. He has supporters, but the general consensus is, no matter what is said in defense here or elsewhere, this individual sparks controversy and heated debate that has followed him throughout most of his career. This will never subside or ever go away. Look at me- I'm not a well liked poster on this board by quite a few members. I've earned that, but truth be told, it really doesn't matter. I'm not trying to alter anyone's opinion. It is what it is regardless of what those "defenders" say.