The Smiley Smile Message Board

Is it just me, or is there an alarmingly high increase in troll population as of late? :brow

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Trolling references + Beach Boys pics = FTW

Really?

What post(s) or members do you see as example?

I've made a few other Mike Love macros... I don't know whether it would be ok or not to post them on this board though.

Do it!

Here are a few - I had made others but I can't find them. I chose Mike because I think he's the one, along with Brian, who makes the most interesting faces... But Brian would have been "too obvious".

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Obligatory "OP is a fag"


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That one isn't really a macro, but it's a decent reaction image

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WAT needs to be blinking at a really fast pace

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You always seemed like a level headed dude, so that's a bit uncalled for. Maybe step away for a little bit and relax?

You're right. I let the actions of one or two people here get the best of me.

Me too.

I'm not sure about the trolls, but I feel a little hostility now and then...

I'm keepin' the "Dude, seriously" one.

Here are mine:

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"Now now Mr Love, what did I say about wandering around? Let's go back to the home, ok? If you're really good, I'll give you a cookie and maybe even a big sip from the apple juice jug!".  ;D

looks like  he wandered onto a motor home.

jay what did you say

Funny, I get visions of IceT or Eminem; 
but I really wanted to post on this thread to get my post count up, and revel in all the hostility going down

feel bad I didn't tune in quick enough to see Jay's deleted post( tho I'm thinking I did, and forgot it just as quick)

really?

well, yeah, of course, else I wouldn't a said so.
When the dawn comes tonight will be a memory too...

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"get along little doggies, it's your misfortune and not of my own"

does that mean anything?

Pretty sure Sandbox posts don't even count.

true

Oh, you mean they don't count towards my running post total on smiley, right?
I was more getting at my total Post count in life, and how I need a few more for my get thru the gates quota. 

Something.

BANNED

on the run?

You're kidding?

Yeah, its a joke.

Glad to see my humour bypass was a success, then!

nothin to do with trolling, but "is it just me" or do you find yourself sighing every time there's a new Smile post.
I honestly can't keep up with them all. I need someone to just PM me whenever there's something notable or official from the "big wigs."   :afro

Me too. I'm also getting a bit annoyed that SMiLE is the only thing people want to talk about. I know that this board was originally meant to be mostly about SMiLE and Smiley Smile, but those aren't the only two albums that the group released in their career.  ::)

I understand and appreciate all the SMiLE talk..but until we can time travel or the new box set is released, then there is really just recycled talk...(which I also can't keep up with, but I still love it...I mean, would you rather talk about the European Reformation?)

I wanted to start a thread about the cool bvox to IKTAAnswer, but I feel I could save that for a rainy day....I think the new set is going to kick butt though, much better than we expect...

It is getting fairly redundant, however, in 5 years when our SMiLE boxsets are collecting dust on a shelf, we will have the happy memories of the months prior to the SMiLE release where we all had a hand in :deadhorse

I'm just super happy that it is coming out...and since my friends, family, coworkers could care less about this release, I'm glad to share the joy with you all...and it's nice to have a place to talk about it...even if it means helping debate SMiLE track-listing for the umpteenth time ;D

right right....I understand the hype.

I just like to provide threads that detour from Smile and try to talk about something new that hasn't been discussed...and that's a tough task, sometimes, at work, I'll just have these ideas and questions that pop in my head...and I try to instantly write that idea down or type it on here when I get the chance.

I'm pretty confident that my Bambu thread is somewhat new. There's some questions I wanted to raise that I've never seen asked about the old mixes vs. the new ones. I try to listen to the tracks back to back...it's slightly tough when all my tracks are so far away on my ipod, from Denny Remembered to POB. I just need to make a fan mix of stuff back to back to back....like Wild Situation would be a real good one...the original '79' (or so) mix to the backing track to the backing track with backing vocals to the newest mix....sounds fun to me...I don't know if it's just me?

I'm very glad to see Smile is getting released but frankly the disscussions about which fragment Brian intended to put wth that fragment and what was intended for what suite and the running order of the tracks intended put me to sleep after a day or two.

I agree. Especially when Brian himself doesn't know, and most likely never knew, even in 1967.

This is all you need to know on the subject:

1 - it will be released this year

2 - whatever is included, someone will bitch about their fave fragment being left off

3 - whatever the CD 1 sequence is, almost everyone will bitch about it being "wrong"...

4 - ... whereas the indisputable fact is, no-one knows what it was going to be anyway. No-one, not even Brian.

For me it's the overanalyzing of the Smile lyrics, and the pissiness if one doesn't agree.

Oh I concur!!

I gave up on the whole smile minutae a couple years ago...but I still love the music. Its just that sharing track listings and arguing over what exactly this lyric here means/why Brian trashed Smile/when exactly did smile end, etc. has turned into a  "been there done that" situation for me.

Didn't know there were so many people here that weren't bb fans.

Because bb fan is defined as...

I just hope there's a 5 - everyone marveling at an unearthed lead vocal that's never been booted.  8)

Assorted list of things I've found...let's say, amusing:

1. Overreading the "BWPS as a template" line.
2. Subsequent strong condemnation of BWPS.
3. Suggestions to use the original tracklisting.
4. Most lyrical analyses.
5. Nearly all discussion and argument about whether to use/not use the modern-day Beach Boys, Wondermints, or other backing vocalists.
6. Most discussion, argument, and confidence directed towards the content, quality, and owners of acetates, and, for that matter,
7. Any post at all relating to using acetates for the project that operates on the assumption that Msrs. Linett and Boyd have not considered it previously.

A cooling device.

Better yet, an unreleased vocal that's never been booted, featuring lyrics not previously known to exist, or known of in any way shape or form.

Wow...so you're saying that anybody who does not agree with you is not a BB fan? In that case, thanks for proving my point. I mean, sh*t, I've spent the last 16 years collecting any BB related recordings that still exist (released and otherwise) and have been on these boards just as long...I went to one of Brian's shows a couple of days after burying my first child...and all this time I thought I was a Beach Boys fan. Huh.

So what does that make me? A Herman's Hermits fan?!

It's very tempting to post my theory - backed to the hilt by a rigorous examination of the lyrics, of course - that "You're Welcome" is nothing less than a blatant invitation to group sex. Well, it's sooooooooooooooo obvious, isn't it ?

Anyone that Fishmonk says, and you'd best not argue because dammit HE KNOWS.  ;D

Remember, it's not only the Bloo that has its share of malcontents, idiots, clueless wonders and sheep.

Just like the cover of Pet Sounds!



Oh...that was goats....meh...that joke was baaaaaaaad ;)

VERY; but you forgot the part about it being water showers ( in the well)

Personally, I count each separate Beach Boy singing as a separate authorial voice, which means 6 invitations to 'come' (or 'cum', 'kum' 'cume' 'com' (but intentionally said wrong in an example of Van Dyke's wordplay?), times the two, possibly three overdubs into 18 separate protagonists welcoming you to 'come', or in layman's terms,  just a standard tuesday night round Dennis' house.



This is in no small way intended to make up for my own ludricously pretentious contribution to the thread in question.  ;D

Hmmm... first time in the Sandbox and already I feel like poppin' a beer (actually pouring a nice pint of Ilkley Brewery's Mary Jane into a glass with a handle) and putting my feet on the table, lighting a pipe (if I smoked one) and just chillin'. Or relaxing, as we say in England.

As to Jay's initial comment at the start of this thread, I agree, I concur.

Suspect that some folk are perhaps even having arguments with themselves under different monikers (our noble admins will know whether this be true I suspect).

But what a nice place the Sandbox is  -  love the curtains!

I love active BB dicussion but there is not one thread in the main forum that I'm smart enough to reply to..

So I just watch  8)

This board needs a Troll Image Mike thread. It has needed it for a long time.

This thread was funnier when that was the direction it was heading in.

Naughty thread!

oldsurferdude needs his own thread where he can just rag on Mike to his hearts content.

Have to ask:  Does "Ilkley Brewery's Mary Jane " have any of that Cabinessence as part of the brewing process?

Over at brianwilson.com they have the perfect forum for him :lol

Hey, I got over a dozen Blooies wishing Mike a happy birthday last week. Might be my proudest BB-related moment.  ;D

This ain't "Mary Jane" as in that stuff that aided relaxation at the Maharishi's pad back in ’60-something; this is "Mary Jane" as in "Tha's been a'courtin' Mary Jane", a line from the unofficial British national anthem, albeit one that can only be sung by Yorkshiremen (aka Tykes).

Wow, is HH not good enough for you or something? I think they're a pretty rocking band, but I guess you know better.

Never thought I'd see the word "rocking" used in any kind of connection with Herman's Hermits. The world is indeed a strange and sometimes terrible place.

Did you ever see them in Concert?  Man, they could really shake it down! 
Ranks right up there with Brian's R&R album, I bet.

What the hell is your problem? Are you trying to be a prick or just incredibly stupid? Seems like both. I wasn't dogging out HH...you were putting down others who didn't share your viewpoints, saying we weren't BB fans. I thought loving the Beach Boys music made me a fan. Since you obviously feel otherwise, I was sarcastically asking why. I just pulled out the name of the first other non-Beatles 60s group I could think of.

Pretty simple. If you need further explanation, I'll be more than happy to bust out with the flash cards and the sock puppets. Maybe Dora the Explorer can explain things better to you.

Yes please, I need all the help I can get. After all I'm only a lowly HH fan, far below your incredible intellect.

Seriously dude, calm down, I was only fooling.

My original comment had nothing to do with my "theories", I could honestly give a damn whether you guys agree with them or not. I was simply trying to point out a few inconsistencies in the common interpretations and raise a few questions I thought would be interesting. Some people enjoyed them but some of you seemed to take it really personally for some reason that's beyond me. If you'd like to believe the coughing on Vega-Tables is because vegetables make people choke to death, that's your business.
 
When I said people in here weren't bb fans, I was just kidding because so many people were complaining about there being too much SMiLE discussion. It was just a joke that you guys weren't being good overly obsessive bb fans.

You need to take a chill pill or something, you seem really stressed out.

There's some sense in there.

Didn't come across as kidding, and judging by the amount of PM complaints I got, I wasn't the only one. In any case, now that that matter is dealt with, let's move on.

That's awesome, people actually complained because I disagreed with them on lyrical analysis? I'm beaming right not.
I actually got a bunch of pms from people supporting me. Glad to know I could be such a firestarter.

Don't worry, I have a few more theories that I'll get around to posting eventually. You guys ever wonder what He Gives Speeches is about? Hopefully It'll inspire some good complaints for you to read.

Herman's Hermits stole Smile.

It does come across somewhat that you seem to be the only person EVER to look at the lyrics of SMiLE. Van Dyke wrote them you understand that dont you?

wait really? I thought they were written by Al Capone.

obligatory "just kidding" emoticon:  ;)

Funnily enough..... http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,9840.0.html

I'd like to weigh in on this issue if possible.

I really don't understand the issue that many of you are taking with Fishmonk's analysis. This is not to say, necessarily, that I agree with Fishmonk's analysis or his way of making it. But the charge that he is "reading too deeply" into the lyrics sounds like the response a first year undergraduate would make regarding a literature course. Yes, there is such a thing of reading things wrong - one can't say, for instance, that The Canterbury Tales is a critique on rampant capitalism, for instance, since there was no capitalism to critique in Chaucer's time. But to say that someone is reading too far into something is merely a meaningless rhetorical trick that you say (either consciously or unconsciously) when you don't have anything to say at all.

Furthermore, there has been far too much weight placed on what the original authors (Parks or Wilson) intended. Yes, Parks's interpretation on his own lyrics might be useful but we can't take that as the be all and end all. At the end of the day, Parks's interpretation is just that - another perspective. In fact, great works often tell us lots of things that weren't intended by the authors. Take, for example, Alexander Pope's mock epic poem The Rape of the Lock. Pope's intention (as far as we know it) was to mock the trivial behaviour of the English elite that was taken much more seriously than it ought to have been. Fair enough. But the poem also reveals how obsessed the British were with reason and logic - an obsession that at the same time produced philosophers like Descartes, Locke, etc. Pope himself was prey to this obsession - otherwise he wouldn't have found the behaviour he describes in the poem to be as problematic as he does. Now the poem says nothing about this - nor was it Pope's desire to reveal this. Nevertheless, the poem does reveal it. Works of art do LOTS of things that fall beyond the creator's intention. And, yes, we can believe, as Lewis Carroll did, that "Jabberwocky" was made to show people how to not write a poem. But that takes all the fun out of it - personally, what's I like about "Jabberwocky" is all the fun things it does with language - how it shows that language is not merely restricted to traditional words with traditional meanings. I suppose what I'm saying is, the minute we simply say that "Jabberwocky" is nonsense and we should leave it at that, is the minute we deprive ourselves of the fun we could really be having with the poem.

And to be honest, I think we should be encouraging that kind of fun or at least working with it, rather than simply dismissing it, which, as far as I'm concerned, is far more troubling than reading too deeply into things.

I don't think it's just the lyrical analysis. It's as much, or more, this: You know? Twenty concurrent threads mostly about the same thing. I know people are excited. That's great and all. But not everyone is equally into it. That's all. If some people are, fine. Not everyone is. Speaking only for myself, I am glad, but only in passing. Had this happened 10 years ago I'd have probably shat myself. Instead, yeah, I'll buy the box set (or whatever the music product ends up being), but I'm not excited to rehash the rest at the moment. I remain a fan. Just not an excited (or excitable?) one.

I don't think there's anything wrong with it. I personally can go really long periods of time without thinking about SMiLE, and before this recent stuff I hadn't really listened to any of it in like a year.
But really the announcement only came less than two weeks ago, so it's caused a lot of new excitement and a burst of people going back and enjoying music that they hadn't been listening to recently.
I don't think there's anything wrong with it, discussion is going to wax and wane with each new bit of information up until the release. If you don't want to participate in those discussions, just don't go in those threads.

I don't, either (think there is anything wrong with it) and, in case you didn't notice, I haven't (gone into those threads).

Well, to be fair, you were quoting someone who does think there's something wrong with it.

And, to be honest, I really don't understand such a position. I mean, I have no interest in posting in Justin Bieber forums, but I don't waste much of my time being irate about the fact that they exist. I really don't think there is much to the point either that the only thing people are talking about is Smile. Yes, those threads are dominating (and, remember, this message board is directly related to another board that no longer exists that functioned to deal specifically with Smile) but there have been other threads on other topics that have received attention. So, again, I don't quite understand the nature of the reaction.

Most of this reaction isn't mine. I don't much care--just friggin' around. Though you'd have to quickly see the difference between 1) Beach Boys fans not being fond of excessive retreading of one sliver of Beach Boys lore on a Beach Boys message board and 2) non-Justin Bieber fans posting on a Justin Bieber message board. That was a pretty bad analogy.

Which is why I was referring to your quote, not you. This is made crystal clear in the above post.


That's because you don't understand the analogy. I didn't say a single word about "non-Justin Bieber fans posting on a Justin Bieber message board". I agree if I was making such an analogy, it might not be that good.

I'm eager to see what you think the difference is between being uninterested in posting in Smile threads and being uninterested in posting in Justin Bieber threads. Is the one example of "uninterestedness" qualitatively or quantitatively different than the other example of "uninterestedness"? If so, how might you even begin to explain that difference? Keeping in mind that explaining that difference is the only way to show how the analogy is bad.

Oy vey. I've officially lost interest.

We've lost interest in the thread about not being interested in smile.

This thread that I started has gone in so many different ways. I'm simultaneously amused, confused, delighted, and disgusted. But oddly proud.  :lol

Et Tu, Brute?

Problem I had with Flashmink was mainly that he consistently implied that his lyrical analysis was the only possible explanation, even when it was patently ludicrous.

I agree 100%

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The king has spoken. All praise the king.

Don't like the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

Yes my Lord.

Don't you have something more useful to do, like analyze Justin Beiber songs or masturbate to pictures of Rush Limbaugh?

Billy C is the coolest

Well, duh ! on me.

Ladies and gentlemen, pray join me in welcoming back... Nobody !

Yup...I wanted to be the first one in outing him, though :lol

So, a member has been banned (more than once) and comes back under a different name. Hmmm...what to do...what to do...

seriously? You disagree with me so you think that I'm another member that you guys also didn't like? You were the ones trolling me first AGD misspelled my username in an attempt to get my goat, then Billy C you told me to go off and masturbate. And apparently if I can't take the heat I need to get out of the kitchen, but when you can't, well then I'm obviously this other guy you also didn't like. Seems kind of petty to me.
Truth be told, I've never registered under any other name on this board, and if you think that I have, it only reveals your double standard. If you guys disagree with my theories that's fine, I honestly don't care, but don't goad me and then use my sarcastic response as an excuse to ban me.

I hope this doesn't turn into a witch hunt where you guys think your outing me or something. I've been posting on this board for awhile now and never caused any trouble besides recently posting theories that some members disagreed with. Mind you I never resorted to name calling or insults, which many members actually did, calling me a nutter and other such things.

Pot, meet kettle.

You have been a complete prick if someone doesn't agree with you, and you act like your opinions are all that matter. And yeah, for the record, I checked your IP address, and it happened to be extremely close to "nobody's". I dunno, maybe you two live in the same city or something...it's not 100% accurate. In any case, I didn't even notice Andrew's spelling of your username, just your smartass response to his post (which there was nothing wrong with, as it was a difference of opinion).


Maybe not directly, but you have indeed been acting like a pompous ass. No witchhunt intended, but if you continue acting like a dick, I'll respond in kind.

No I haven't been acting like a pompous ass. I never said any of my opinions were the end all be all. Never. In fact, on multiple occasions, I took great pains to explain that I did not believe that everything I said was the definite explanation. In many of my posts I also qualified my ideas, agreeing that they were unlikely and that I was just exploring different possibilities.
I don't know how you can perceive that as acting like a pompous ass, I simply did not ever assert that I was some all knowing eye in the sky that had some special insight. All I wanted to do was remain objective and ask a few questions. This of course was met with a lot of anger, people dismissing me completely, calling me names, making fun of me. I continually took the high road and didn't respond to that stuff "in kind".

Took the time to find a couple of responses people posted to me:
"Just my .02 but that reads like a parody of someone reading way too much into something."
"You remind me of an overly religious person, combing the sacred texts of their creed and extracting meanings never intended (examples: Rastafarians and Jehovahs Witnesses)." (This one's form the great AGD)
"Are you actually aware of the basic premise behind the phrase "Occam's Razor" ?" (Another from AGD. I told AGD that I welcomed his disagreement and asked him to further expand on his argument, but he never did. Who was being the pompous ass? Me or AGD?)
"I had a friend who swore up and down that Hey Jude was about heroin. There was nothing I could say to convince him of how dumb that sounded either."

I dunno, I didn't take comments like that too kindly. They certainly have a lot of attitude. But I always tried to keep an open mind and take things in stride. But for some reason I'm the one being called out. Seems like a double standard.

If you've confused my passionate arguments for arrogance, you're wrong. I was the first to admit that things I was saying weren't totally correct, and made it quite clear I was just throwing different things out there to see what stuck, what had merit and what didn't.

Also, I'm sorry some of my posts seemed sarcastic in this one thread, what, compared to pretty much 90% of the posts somebody like bgas makes? (no offense bgas, just making a point).

My last three posts in this thread, the ones that you deemed inappropriately sarcastic, were only in response to inflammatory remarks made by yourself and agd so really I think it's total bs that you're coming at me as if you're squeaky clean upstanding posters. Just check out the line under AGD's avatar: "shut up, he explained", as if nobody here has ever been put off by AGD's remarks. Give me a break.

I'm sorry if this all comes off as angry, I'm not really that peeved. I just think you guys are being elitists who have been doing what you've accused me of to a much greater degree.

Also for future reference, IPs are not allocated so much by location as they are by organization. The fact that me and another member have similar ips most likely means we both have the same service provider, and does not indicate that we are geographically near one another. So consider that before you just go around banning people in the future.

First time in 16 years on BB boards I've *ever* been accused of being an elitist :lol

You know what, I never cared for Bruce Willis as an actor. Never did anything for me. Carry on boys ;D

:lol

Can't judge a person by his IP address. Anyway, I hate to say it, Fishmonk does have evidence to prove his points...where as everyone is just throwing dog sh*t and insults...or is that the same thing? Either way, everyone cool it...he's singing.

Perspective and perception are two very important human elements in evidence in relation to Mr Monk's. The perception I got was that the lyrical interpretations by Mr Monk were unheard of until he revealed them to us on the board.
Mr Monk also in his analysation states that Brian was into this, and reading that. Brian did not write the Lyrics!! Van was a cool hipster on the scene, he took drugs and made it look cool. Van and Brian collaborated under the influence and whilst lyrically Van Dyke was creating imagery and altering the listeners perceptions the metaphors and there sub plots were not as deeply entrenched in the songs meaning. WORDPLAY i think Lennon called it!!
Anyway back to perception... The perception I got was that unless you could understand where Mr Monk was coming from or where he was heading with his analysations then your mind was closed and you were not reading enough into Brian and his brilliant mind. Brian's music is hip and it's happening and part from the few exceptions his lyrical ability aint. Van Dyke wrote the lyrics....

I gotta say. I'm a fan of Fishmonk.

Ever smoke a little something and read his posts, very fun   :hat :hat

I'm a fan of everyone here. I love the BB fan community, and have always tried to be respectful. I know not everything I've suggested is correct. I'm just trying to have a good time and hit on some things I think people may have missed. The only offputting thing is how rude some people have been about it. If you disagree, disagree, I'd love to hear about it but I think a lot of you are being real pissy about it, when I've gone out of my way to make it clear time and again that I know I'm not 100% correct.

Thanxx for being my fan; go only knows I need one now and then... 
keep on keeping on.

no problem, you're a solid dude bgas.

Not to beat the sh*t out of a dead horse (that makes brown glue :lol )but you haven't made that very clear. That's what started this whole mess. That said...I went back and looked at the original post that set me off in the first place from another thread...it was from Jeff, not you. By itself it wasn't bad, but when you throw in the questioning of me as a BB fan when I wasn't even responding you in the first place, well  that rubbed me the wrong way. In any case, that means all of this was based on a misunderstanding, and I apologize. Please understand though that you are not always clear if you're joking or not.

Also...I'm no Smile literalist, not even close. "Wind Chimes" is a song about Wind Chimes according to VDP himself. AT least that was the case 10 years ago...that might have changed by now :lol

I believe I made it very clear:

"But please, feel free to disagree and tell me all about it."
"I agree with you AGD."
"Alright it's a stretch..."
"Okay I'll be the first to admit that it's less than likely."
"I'm just throwing things out there to see what will stick. I'm sure some things were just jokes. Like the title "Vega-Tables" I think was most likely just Brian encouraging people to pronounce the word in a funny way. As vega-tables and not "vech-tables" as people so often do."
"I'm just going to throw this one out here. This is going to drive some of you nuts, but I was thinking about the actual lyrics of I'm In Great Shape, and if you look closely at them, from a grammar standpoint, they don't quite seem to mean the obvious things that you just assume them to mean. Now I know this is open to interpretation, and not every thing I'm about to say is 100%, but I just wanted to take a closer look at the lyrics."
"But this is just my outlook on SMiLE..."
"I'd love to hear some refutations of the individual points that make up my theories. I'd love to hear some alternate perspectives."

If you were put off by my posts, I'm sorry. But I did indeed take great pains to make it very clear that they were just my own personal ideas, and that I knew not everything I said was definitive. If you think otherwise, all I can say is that you must have missed some of the things I wrote. But to be fair, I was always cool headed, didn't get caught up in some of the rudeness being directed at me, and attempted to approach things humbly with an open mind. So really, I don't think you can put this on my shoulders.

Please re-read this part.

In any case, I already tried to apologize. :/

Can you say, "terminal SOH malfunction" ?   ;D

Not a fan of Arthur C. Clarke, I see.  :)

Did he come up with the Clarke Bar?( Candy ) :o

Thank you!
I kinda got that vibe...

here here!

dang, I'm gone since Monday night and I miss half of the season of Sandbox: Is it Just Me...?     ;)

This thread just made my day!  :-D