The Smiley Smile Message Board

Yep ME , 2 rare items taken off as per instruction of 'The Beach Boys/BRI- Brother Records Inc' BLIMEY  ::) - I must be one of the few unlucky folk , as it doesn't take long to find RARE items on ebay does it ?

Shame as there were a large number of people 'watching' one of the said items.

Lesson learnt me lord  :police:

I remember when you could buy/sell bootlegs on Ebay. They cracked down on it quite a few years ago.

Rob, I assume that those were the 'rare' items in question that BRI and/or the RIAA didn't care for. Can't see them removing any other rare items, unless it was proprietary or illicit propaganda or derogatory in some way towards the band or a member of the band. Like Murry's glass eye or the newspaper that Brian crapped on or some damn thing....

Mikie, as big of a fan that I am, I don't think that newspaper would ever become part of my collection. :lol

Na , I sold the glass eye (well a copy of) on ebay a few years ago  :lol

wre you selling copies of the Proposed Brother reissue tracks?

I wish , just some desirable vinyl of some vintage 

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was it something I'd want?  ( guess it was on ebayUK?  not certain that always always shows up on ebay USA) 

Well one was quite common (ish) (of which you will have a few copies of) and one not so AND yes you would already have it (I am very sure) - Yes on ebay.co.uk but was/were listed worldwide

 I'm never certain how to tell if items are listed worldwide. I know when I list stuff, I include I'll sell to anyone /anywhere( why would ya?) except maybe to Russia/Italy, but I can't remember ever having trouble except once I think to Italy so long ago. 
Oops, sorry, anyway, I'm  certain I've found stuff listed on ebay UK that hasn't shown up on the US ebay, so I'm just wondering how that happens( not that you probably know)  but maybe EBay monitors this board?
Shame there's not a section on this board for selling stuff...

Don't laugh. Remember the 1 inch squares cut from bed sheets that the Beatles slept in?  And if it had a yellow stain on it, it garnered more money?

I never heard of those!  ( but I don't collect Beatles... )  Did you get any  yellow ones, Mikie?

That is a very valid point , and good idea ( but obviously not boots  :( )

Maybe a Trading Post Section , save the admin of it - Just people post links within it of what they have listed on ebay

ie like this  ;D

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221566148037?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2648

Good thing you didn't post one of your own, you might get in deep doodoo

It's happened to me, many times.  I assume I'm on a watch list at this point.   ::)

Now I list them on a site BRI doesn't police instead.

I've had um... 'grey area' stuff removed by ebay before.  Don't be worried about it, they just delete the thing and move on.  They won't penalize you or anything.  Sucks though because you lose out on what could have been a good sale!

That sucks.

I bought the Brother Records "Smile" (with 'Here Comes De Honey Man') on eBay for $9.00 a few days ago.  XD

Probably about ten years ago someone I might know put the vinyl version of Adult/Child (the one with a fat nude back on the back and the words "Brian's Back!" written on it) on eBay. This person got a notice a few days later that the auction was removed at the request of Brother, and they included the e-mail address of BRI in the notice, something like "surfkillers@some_domain_I_dont_remember_after_ten_years.com"...I know the "surfkillers" part was right though.

I know of "somebody" that had an ebay listing removed recently. There was an email address associated with BRI. A Google search by this person of this email address led to a user on this board that has been registered for years but never posted.

Big Brother is indeed watching!

Cool!  What's their user name?

Ah.... THAT's why I can't find "Adult Child" on eBay.  I've been looking for an LP version like crazy.

Didn't stop a copy being sold in May 2012 ;D

wonder how long this 3 lp colored vinyl will last.... 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/THE-BEACH-BOYS-SMILE-NM-3-LP-Colored-Vinyl-VIGOTONE-7pg-Insert-Poster-/171520658626   

Why do they bother, how does an ebay sale of unreleased songs effect them.

About 4 months I had my Green SMiLE LP and Brian Loves You taken down after about 10 minutes.  Which is weird because I had seen countless others up for weeks. 

BTW...said person who had an Adult/Child vinyl -- a person whom I might or might not know -- got the take-down notice AFTER the item had actually sold! So the buyer still got it. :)

GODDAMMIT!

They killed that "Smile" Vigotone set now. :-(  I really wanted that, too - that was the cheapest I'd ever seen it.

Geez, that thing has been out since what, 1993, and you're a Smile-o-phile and still don't have it??

For one thing, I was *six* in 1993....

And no, because every copy I see online (other than this one) costs a ridiculous amount.

lesson for the future: if you see something you like of this sort, immediately message the seller( even if it's a silly or odd question/statement);
this way you'll at least have a conduit to them should the item disappear

Yeah, well..... too late now. :-(

Though it goes without saying - if anyone on here has one to spare (and is willing to be reasonable), you know where my inbox is....

If you're obsessed with Smile, as I know you are, then you've already heard every fragment of music on all three albums of the set. Only difference is the purty vinyl, the poster, and the cover. That's it!  If you're a big collector, then I can see a reason to get it.  Otherwise, well, the Smile Sessions have been released and the bootlegs (which progressed leaps and bounds in quality since 1993) have since slowed to a trickle.

Well, to be fair, I just bought the "Heroes And Villains Sessions Parts 1 & 2" CD in a record shop, and I can almost guarantee I've heard all of that.  Not to mention, in much, MUCH better quality - and not at chipmunk speed.

(Besides - the Vigotone Smile has that entire side of Psycodelic Sounds material.)

The H&V Sessions boot is a good one. Be sure to get the Purple Chick Smile, Secret Smile, and the SOT's if you don't have them already. And of course the Smile boots list on the other thread as a guideline.

I think I have the Purple Chick Smile, never cared much for it for some of their editing tactics (like that ugly slow-down at the end of "Look").  Was "Secret Smile" just a set of MP3's?  In that case, I think I have that as well.

Someone found me a really inexpensive Vigotone "Smile" vinyl set (with all the goodies attached) so I have that on the way, too. 

As far as vinyl boots go, I think the last one I'll try to find is the 'second edition' Brother one.

Does anyone know what's so different about that, other than obviously the removal of the Miles Davis track?  Like, do they use an actual Smile version of "Wonderful" rather than the Smiley Smile one?

Yes, they do. Looks like you just missed one!  >:(

http://www.ebay.com/itm/6-LPs-The-Beach-Boys-Smile-Smiley-Smile-Wipe-Out-Surfs-Up-Brian-Wilson-/400788501461?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item5d50db33d5

You didn't before, but you do now!  :)

You're one of the good one's Mikie!  :)

Wow.... that REALLY sucks, I didn't even see that auction. :-( 

Man, "Secret Smile" is ROUGH to get through, isn't it?  I heard Brian abort 12 takes of "Cabinessence", then realized in horror the REST OF THE DISC was more of the same. :-P

Thanks, TR.

Can't get enough of the Cab outtakes. It's one of the absolute masterpieces in his repertoire and I'll mop up whatever's out there! 

There are just so many outtakes in these sessions where Brian stops everything for no apparent reason, and you just want to scream "GODDAMMIT BRIAN, IT WAS FINE!!"

I guess to him the instruments didn't sound enough like jewelry, or crying, or velvet pancakes. :-P

 :lol

Ditto, John! How can anyone NOT want to hear how that amazing piece of music was put together?

But "velvet pancakes"? Really?? What sounded like THAT??!

Going back to the original post, if only Rob had an online store where he could display his wares … I'm particularly missing the two disc release of … and … and …  >:D

You obviously never saw "Walk Hard". :)

Quick question - are there only four unofficial Smile vinyls?  The original boot (Brother Records), the Second Edition (Brother Records), the 3-LP colored edition (Vigotone) and the recent colored single-disc version (Sea Of Tunes)?

Quick answer - the first two were put out by the same guy. The third and fourth ones were put out by different guys.

But that's all there is?  Like, once I get the Second Edition I'll be done?  (I have the first edition + Vigotone in the mail + Sea Of Tunes already.)

And was he Vigotone vinyl reissued by another bootlegger? I have a triple coloured vinyl Smile, same track listing but pretty sure it has no Vigotone logo (haven't looked at it in a long while!)

As far as Smile boots on vinyl, that's pretty much all that was available in the early to mid-80's (when they were made). Most of that material was circulating on cassette tape amongst collectors before it made it onto vinyl. CD's started coming into production around 1985 and bootleg CDR's and factory silvers followed suit not long after.

There were other vinyl bootlegs in the early 80's (See Beach Boys Collector's Series) and there were even copies of Smile slicks available, but the ones you noted above pretty much covered it. I may have missed one or two vinyl Smile albums that came out later that I'm forgetting, but I don't think so. Even those bootleg vinyl copies were transferred to CD's in the late 80's/early 90's until more material became available, then CD was the primary format.

Well, I bought the Second Edition so hopefully I'll be done.

But yeah, there seems to be two editions of the Vigotone variant - one with Brother Records labels, and one with blank labels.  I assume the later is a knockoff?

Yep!  Sure as the Sun will come around again and start out another day.

How many of you here have the 3-lp colored vinyl SMiLE?

And did any of you get it from someone here on the board?

After the 2 "Brother Records" LPs (1983 & 1985) but before the 3-LP colored edition (1993 Vigotone) a 2-LP version was released. This 2-LP release (1991) was the 1st appearance on vinyl of the original “I Love to Say Da Da,” “I’m In Great Shape” aka “I Wanna Be Around” aka “The Workshop Song,” and “Barnyard”. This set has blank white labels. Here is the tracklist.

Side 1: Good Vibrations I * Good Vibrations II * Good Vibrations (Work Pieces) * Barnyard * With Me Tonight (early version)

Side 2: Can’t Wait Too Long * Wonderful * Holidays * Vegatables (including Mama Said) * Child is the Father to the Man

Side 3: Heroes and Villains * Do You Like Worms?/Bicycle Rider * Wind Chimes * Cabinessence * Old Master Painter/You Are My Sunshine * Our Prayer

Side 4: Tones * Mrs. O’Leary’s Cow (Fire) * George Fell Into His French Horn * Surf’s Up * Cool Water * You’re Welcome * Smile Promo Ad

I've got it. Today's the first time I actually opened the overwrap to see it; nice package! 
Don't believe I bought it from anyone here, tho. Bought it on release, but I don't remember from whom: A long time ago....

The quest for the SS cardboard cutouts continues..... :hat

If only there really could be  cutouts for the other three! 

While we're out searching let's try to find more SS covers with the GV promo sticker !
   

I got mine under the table from an indiscriminate retailer in New York City back in the 90's. I won't name names but they usually conducted business around Midnight.

Why are you so hung up on vinyl? Do you like the large covers? Like I said before, the only reason you would want to go backwards and obtain all the early pieces/variations/revisions of vintage Smile material that was available on vinyl 30+ years ago would be from a collector's standpoint. Are you going to play the records? They're not even 180 gram virgin vinyl! Otherwise, if you're not happy with what's been released and just have to have every fragment and morsel and crumb, either download it in Mp3 320 or FLAC and it will probably be in better quality than the snap crackle pop vinyl versions! All that vinyl stuff was de-clicked and carried over onto CD format and the sound quality was upgraded in most cases. The quality improved over time as closer generations to the masters or better sources were found.

Oooorrrr, find the original silver CD's and at second best CDR's made from those CD's! Good luck on finding the original CD's without expecting to shell out some $.

Bought mine from a local record shop in the early to mid nineties with the following proclamation on the front of the clear protective sleeve:

FULL COLOR SMILE POSTER
NEW IMPROVED SOUND QUALITY
3-COLOR VINYL
7 PAGE INSERT

Kerching... ;D

That's exactly how mine appears!

.......Crap.

Had no idea about the 1991 one.  Oh well.  Just spent a lot of money to get Vigotone and Second Edition, I can't do anymore.  My next purchase when I get money again is more than likely going to be hunting down "The New Album", which I've had zero luck with so far.

Got it as well. Bought it at a record fair in the mid 90ies.

Mine came from Discogs.  Someone from here pointed me to it - it confusingly was listed as a Brother Records release, rather than Vigotone.  (Fair enough, that's what the labels say.)

Here's a question....

Does anyone else's first edition Brother "Smile" LP sound ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY AWFUL in "Surf's Up"?

Seriously - most of the ending portion (listed separately, and wrongly, as "Child Is Father Of The Man") is a loud burst of static that sounds like a needle scraping across grooves!  Nearly knocked me off my chair! O_O

gee, mine sounds fine( presuming I really have the first edition)

Well, it seems there were only two - the first one, which just had "Smile" and a mouth at the top; and the second one, which had the added text about "SECOND EDITION" next to the mouth.

On the whole, the record doesn't sound terrible, UNTIL it gets to "Surf's Up" and then it's so screechy and distorted I have to turn it off.  I even looked at the vinyl, it's not worn or anything.

Didn't happen to sell Records, did they, Mikie?  :) I guess they were too indiscriminate, because I think they got busted. Internet & mail order now, unless you want to go to the owner's apartment. Used to be a fun store to visit... if they happened to be open when you were there.

They pissed me off in the late 90's, Dick. I ordered a couple of Sea Of Tunes Unsurpassed Masters CD boots from them and they sent me CDR's! The F'ers. I couldn't believe it - I figured a good reputable record store that's playing the "middle man" selling bootlegs would send me the original silver CD's from the manufacturer! What they later told me is that they ran out of originals so they made CDR copies and put their own paper labels on 'em. Then they put them in CD shells with home made printed paper copies of the artwork. I guess they figured I would never notice the difference! Then when I called them on it, they admitted it and said they couldn't get any more originals and I couldn't get my money back! I know a lot of people would be perfectly happy to have CDR copies of the series, or even Mp3 copies, but at the time, these Sea Of Tunes collection had just started to come out, plus my other sources were sending me originals so I wanted them ALL to be originals. I wouldn't be surprised if they got busted because they played this game one too many times with the wrong people and they got pissed off and finked on them. They did have real good Beach Boys and Beatle collectibles at the time, though. But I never did business with them after that experience - I didn't care what goodies they had.

I remember that store well Mikie!  :)
I used to get great stuff from them. Just a quick walk from over Christopher St, and you were in collectors heaven. There was also that other store on 8th named after one of the Beatles albums.  ;)

Okay, I'll admit it - the collecting bug has bitten me.

I kinda do want to get my hands on that 1991 2-LP version now, mainly because I have the rest of them.  So, *cough* you know... :-P

I procured a couple of things (mail order) quite a few years ago from Revolver Records on 8th St. And there was another place in NYC called Bleecker Bob's that I got something from at auction once. Also on 5th - I think in Brooklyn there's a good one - it's where I got my Pet Sounds Sampler disc. There's another one in upper state New York that I got something from but I can't remember the name of it.

I'm curious.... the liner notes of "Smile Second Edition" promise a "Third Edition" to be released sometime in the late 80's.

I'm assuming this never happened?

That 1987 third edition was pressed in small numbers and is impossible to find these days. The only thing on it worthwhile was that section of Heroes And Villains that hasn't turned up anywhere else (including the 2011 SMiLE Sessions release) and Surf's Up Pt. 2





















 ;)

Surely, you jest. ;-)

Seriously, though........ my collector's obsession is kicking in full.  I need to find that 1991 Smile 2-LP and complete the set.

COUGH COUGH.  HINT HINT.  INBOX ME.  I'M IN O.C.D. HELL HAVING FOUR OUT OF THE FIVE. :-P

Totally forgot about that one! I picked up a copy at the Beach Boys convention in San Diego in 1990.

 ;)

Problem seems to be you're only willing to pay peanuts, so you'll have to find a fairy godmother or someone so desne as not to know what they have...

I'll pay what I have to to complete the set.  I just can't find a copy for sale anywhere.

(Only an old, now-finished auction where it sold for $16.)

 :lol

"Surf's Up Part 2" is a 10-minute masterpiece revealing, in graphic detail, the EXACT meaning of 'columnated ruins domino'. :)

It's an epic masterpiece to be sure. I just KNEW you were talking about this track earlier when you mentioned "velvet pancakes". I've always found it frustrating that they edited out that small section that can only be found on the fourth edition of the "Brother Records" SMiLE boot LP. Had they not been busted when they were, we would have more than the three known copies that got out. Because I was friends with someone who grew up with someone who had a sister who was friends with a girl who's brother was in on the bust, I got a second generation cassette copy.

:)

Just a normal smiley thread that starts fine and degrades into total bullshit....

 :lol

FWIW, bgas, the OP started clowning around his SECOND post in. Relax. Join the party.  :)

I can understand your frustration for not having "Smile Third Edition", Bgas.  Took me a few years to find mine.

You're killing me over here, Mikie!  ;D

I can't figure out if he's mad because we're having fun, or just has no sense of humor!  :)

Both!   :-D

 :lol

here's your 2003 LP:    http://www.ebay.com/itm/THE-BEACH-BOYS-Smile-2003-Sea-of-Tunes-12-LP-180gms-Heavyweight-Vinyl-/161476804391   

That's the good pressing of it too.  Most of them you see around these days have the generic looking "Surfin' Records" label and those are terrible pressings.

I saw this in a record shop in Camden a few weeks ago:
(http://i60.tinypic.com/35ar5mr.jpg)

2 LP set on white label and moderately priced at £10.

It's obviously a fan mix put to vinyl but I just thought it strange they would include, "George..." and the promo ad.

Now, on the one hand, I wouldn't dream of owning such an unofficial product consisting of tracks found elsewhere in superior quality, but, on the other hand, I felt to a duty to reprimand the shop owner and remind him that this record and several other similar products by bands I like would only encourage the public to demand more if they were seen in his shop.

THAT'S THE ONE I NEED!!

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, GET IT AND I'LL BUY IT FROM YOU!

Oooh, Camden. Which shop?

Freddie's back! :-D

Freddie! ;D

Mrmoustachioto! A blast from the past! Didn't he get banned for being a dick?

I'm looking forward to pouncing!  >:D

I don't remember Freddie being banned.

It was Out On The Floor Records in Inverness St. They normally have the usual BB fare but this time they had the above. Seems a good find by all accounts

I've been missed? I just got a little waylaid and haven't been online for a while. I'm making an effort to be back now!

Yeah, waylaid 'cause your ass was banned!

Well what was I banned for then, hmmm? I assure you I was not.

Yeah I'd like to know what you were supposedly banned for too because I've never heard you slag anyone off or ask for bootlegs etc.  You're one of the respectful posters on here.

I am? That's news to me  ;D

MIKIE should be banned for a week, for creating this lie

I'm finding this humourous now.