Summer Fun Soured By Mike Love's Score Settling - The New York Times

[The LEGENDARY OSD]

I think the reason Mike is still angry even after winning his lawsuit and living a life that most could only dream of, is that Brian will always be the hero and Mike the villain.  Fair or not.

That all makes sense. I'm just curious what in the world restarted his latest round of rage on the topic. My best guess is simply that he has had way less of a vested interest in making nice with Brian or anyone to do with Brian post-C50.

Is it really possible that Melinda makes Mike more angry about Murry? As in, just more people in Mike's mind who are around Brian and keep Brian from being what Mike thinks Brian should be?

Don't get me wrong, I understand why even a wrong that is righted is something people might not still get over. Or, sometimes we get over stuff but we might randomly remember something and be angry about it for a bit.

But I'm curious what the point of Mike's rage is now. There's nothing left that can be done. If the statue of limitations had run out and Mike couldn't sue for the songwriting credits or something, his sour grapes would make way more sense. I'm curious if the book gets around to Mike explaining *what in the world he wants anyone to do it about it now*.

I guess the idea is that he just wants people to know that someone else is the a**hole.

Very confident that aliens will visit NYC Thursday before that happens.

[urbanite]

"That all makes sense. I'm just curious what in the world restarted his latest round of rage on the topic. My best guess is simply that he has had way less of a vested interest in making nice with Brian or anyone to do with Brian post-C50."

Why was Mike so angry the night he and the group were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?  That was one of the crowning achievements of the group's career, totally deserved.  He should have been all smiles and happy that night and celebrated the achievement.  Instead, he goes off all angry and gives a ridiculous speech and embarrasses himself.  Go figure.     

[Autotune]

This thing of people taking turns to bring up a ML quote and proceeding to criticise the man is getting tiresome. And before anyone comes out with a "he brings it upon himself", everybody here, and most specially the moderators, is responsible for the seemingly unredeemable shitty turn this board has taken this last year.

[Robbie Mac]

"That all makes sense. I'm just curious what in the world restarted his latest round of rage on the topic. My best guess is simply that he has had way less of a vested interest in making nice with Brian or anyone to do with Brian post-C50."

Why was Mike so angry the night he and the group were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?  That was one of the crowning achievements of the group's career, totally deserved.  He should have been all smiles and happy that night and celebrated the achievement.  Instead, he goes off all angry and gives a ridiculous speech and embarrasses himself.  Go figure.     

Because, deep down, he is insecure enough to have wanted the props from the Beatles, Jagger, etc. Just like the hopelessly nerdy (in an uncharming way) kid trailing after the cool kids hoping to get their attention and approval. I think that night, whatever resentment he felt toward his cooler (and more successful) contemporaries became too much. Ergo, his RRHOF speech.

[Robbie Mac]

This thing of people taking turns to bring up a ML quote and proceeding to criticise the man is getting tiresome. And before anyone comes out with a "he brings it upon himself", everybody here, and most specially the moderators, is responsible for the seemingly unredeemable shitty turn this board has taken this last year.

Why are you still here?

And yes, he DOES bring it on himself! Only a fool would say otherwise.

[HeyJude]

This thing of people taking turns to bring up a ML quote and proceeding to criticise the man is getting tiresome. And before anyone comes out with a "he brings it upon himself", everybody here, and most specially the moderators, is responsible for the seemingly unredeemable shitty turn this board has taken this last year.

I dunno. A thread about a Mike Love book is kinda going to be A LOT of taking Mike quotes and discussing them. Invariably some of that will be criticism.

If you don't like the whole "taking a Mike quote and criticizing him" thing, I'd suggest not reading threads on a book *written by Mike*.

There's really only two main angles on analyzing his book. It will either be a quick, broad review (like magazines will offer), or it will be a much more specific commentary on specific points or passages or comments.

Does Mike bring it upon himself? Well geez, he CHOSE to write a friggin' book. What does he want to happen? What does he think will happen? I'm not interested in a quick 5-minute "Good Morning America" press junket interview where the interviewer hits the same bullet points (rise to fame, Brian/drugs, Manson, and Mike "keeping the music alive").

[The LEGENDARY OSD]

This thing of people taking turns to bring up a ML quote and proceeding to criticise the man is getting tiresome. And before anyone comes out with a "he brings it upon himself", everybody here, and most specially the moderators, is responsible for the seemingly unredeemable shitty turn this board has taken this last year.

I think I heard there's an opening on that "other board" where you'll be much happier. And...they have a Mega Mod.

[urbanite]

"This thing of people taking turns to bring up a ML quote and proceeding to criticise the man is getting tiresome. And before anyone comes out with a "he brings it upon himself", everybody here, and most specially the moderators, is responsible for the seemingly unredeemable shitty turn this board has taken this last year. "

I agree that sometimes the criticism is excessive and unfair, he wrote great lyrics and held the group together for years.  But the RnR Hall of Fame speech, he owns that and all the bricks thrown his way.  Unless you liked the speech?         

[Jim V.]

well, "boasts and grudges": what could one expect but a true history of the man's feelings.  But this is the NYT; for you Brits, it's degenerated into a parody paper like your Guardian. JM hints that ML may be a Trump supporter!!! Oh no. The NYT has a campaign to elect HRC, and anything written by someone who is/was/could be tolerant of republican history and views must automatically become a demon, so JM has an axe to grind. Likely Mike does too. But, I wonder: is it true that Dennis let a Manson girl baby sit? Seems possible.  Is it true that Murry screwed ML out of money and credit? I think so, so some gripes and boast are just real.

Since the NYT is a Leftist propaganda rag, I'll choose to read the book for myself.

Hey professor, guess what....


BENGHAZI!!!!!!

[the professor]

Dude, thanks for that. Politics aside (I was being intentionally playful but also reckless with the topic, for which I beg pardon), let me get back on track:

At this point, it may be that the BB are each nearly allegorical: Mike has to be the villain and has to be bitter or else he ceases to be "Mike Love." It's a bit like asking a character named Sleep not to be tired. Brian can only be the fragile child genius. They are set in their ways not just by temperament but  and cultural history itself have created and now reified their personae.

Mike did once write that "as for the past, it's all behind us," but that was a fiction.

Also, of course, we live in a Rashomon world: Mike must see history with his own eyes, which does not mean objectively or fairly. If the goal is to find the truth, per se, we will wind up only finding a series of individual truths, each unique to the witness.

I will read Mike's book not to find the "truth" but to see how he feels about events he experiences. This is the point of reading one man's perspective. I will also continue to hope that the BB will all play together. I don't think that this book, or any particular assertion of dispute or personal perception of injustice, will determine the still unwritten final chapter of the BB history.

[Debbie KL]

well, "boasts and grudges": what could one expect but a true history of the man's feelings.  But this is the NYT; for you Brits, it's degenerated into a parody paper like your Guardian. JM hints that ML may be a Trump supporter!!! Oh no. The NYT has a campaign to elect HRC, and anything written by someone who is/was/could be tolerant of republican history and views must automatically become a demon, so JM has an axe to grind. Likely Mike does too. But, I wonder: is it true that Dennis let a Manson girl baby sit? Seems possible.  Is it true that Murry screwed ML out of money and credit? I think so, so some gripes and boast are just real.

Since the NYT is a Leftist propaganda rag, I'll choose to read the book for myself.

Hey professor, guess what....


BENGHAZI!!!!!!

Good One SDJ - And, hey Professor, time for the Sandbox with this one.

[marcella27]

'Mr. Love goes out of his way to diss Carl and ignore his contributions to the group, both musical and diplomatic, whenever he can."

Now I'm pissed off.

Now I'm really intrigued to actually read the book.  I actually searched for Carl using the online search tool on Amazon and I didn't see anything where Mike was dissing Carl.  What on earth could Mike dredge up about Carl?  Aside from drug use, obviously. 

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

This thing of people taking turns to bring up a ML quote and proceeding to criticise the man is getting tiresome. And before anyone comes out with a "he brings it upon himself", everybody here, and most specially the moderators, is responsible for the seemingly unredeemable shitty turn this board has taken this last year.

Why are you still here?

And yes, he DOES bring it on himself! Only a fool would say otherwise.

1)Good question

2) Exactly, and consider the source.

[William Bowe]

How did Dennis come to be choosing babysitters for Mike's kids anyway? Bonus points for answers that don't entail negligence on Mike's own part.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

That is a good question...I didn't think they were ever particularly close, so it does seem a bit odd

[Lonely Summer]

'Mr. Love goes out of his way to diss Carl and ignore his contributions to the group, both musical and diplomatic, whenever he can."

Now I'm pissed off.

Now I'm really intrigued to actually read the book.  I actually searched for Carl using the online search tool on Amazon and I didn't see anything where Mike was dissing Carl.  What on earth could Mike dredge up about Carl?  Aside from drug use, obviously. 

Well, if Mike has something bad to say about Carl, he will be the first.

[Kurosawa]

"That all makes sense. I'm just curious what in the world restarted his latest round of rage on the topic. My best guess is simply that he has had way less of a vested interest in making nice with Brian or anyone to do with Brian post-C50."

Why was Mike so angry the night he and the group were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?  That was one of the crowning achievements of the group's career, totally deserved.  He should have been all smiles and happy that night and celebrated the achievement.  Instead, he goes off all angry and gives a ridiculous speech and embarrasses himself.  Go figure.     

Because, deep down, he is insecure enough to have wanted the props from the Beatles, Jagger, etc. Just like the hopelessly nerdy (in an uncharming way) kid trailing after the cool kids hoping to get their attention and approval. I think that night, whatever resentment he felt toward his cooler (and more successful) contemporaries became too much. Ergo, his RRHOF speech.

Roger Daltrey handled being in a similar situation to Mike with total grace. Of course, he did have the luck to be the sex appeal of the Who, whereas Mike had zero to negative sex appeal and of course Dennis was the sex appeal of the Beach Boys. I imagine that is part of why Mike hates Dennis so much.

[18thofMay]

This thing of people taking turns to bring up a ML quote and proceeding to criticise the man is getting tiresome. And before anyone comes out with a "he brings it upon himself", everybody here, and most specially the moderators, is responsible for the seemingly unredeemable shitty turn this board has taken this last year.

Just a question why the name Autotune?