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BTW, looking on Tidal, details say ”copyright 2020 Iconic Artists Group, LLC”. I’m beginning to doubt that this is an official release... No sign of UMG/Capitol anywhere.
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Word on the street is that it *is* an official release, like it or not. It just doesn't involve the usual suspects of Mark Linett et al. Also, the powers that be have said before that recordings of Beach Boys concerts from 1970 are virtually nonexistent, so if you're going to have a collection of 1970 stuff, what you have is pretty much what exists. It appears that they basically did a
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Quote from: SaltyMarshmallow on January 13, 2021, 03:30:06 AM
Someone """acquired""" the apparently lossless download and none of the spectrograms exceed 192kbps MP3 quality, sometimes less, so if you have the original bootlegs on CD they're probably higher fidelity than this. Supports the idea that some were just ripped from YouTube.
The first track on the Tidal version comes with a few seconds from a Youtube ad. Classy! I think you’re right about the streaming versions being ripped from Youtube.
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Quote from: humanoidboogie on January 13, 2021, 01:58:33 AM
BTW, looking on Tidal, details say ”copyright 2020 Iconic Artists Group, LLC”. I’m beginning to doubt that this is an official release... No sign of UMG/Capitol anywhere.
The plot thickens.
Granted, anyone can paste a copyright or ownership tag on anything posted online, the more dubious the more likely it can be done, HOWEVER:
Take a look at this discussion which fell off the radar here a few months ago:
http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,27459.0.html
"Iconic Artists Group" is under the same umbrella of LLC's and business entities as "Iconic Brothers LLC", which is - as you can read at that link - The LLC listed June 26, 2020 that acquired the BB's song titles from Mike's interests. Again, read the link. "Iconic Artists", "Iconic Brothers"...those company names are attached to multiple interests sharing the same corporate address as Irving Azoff's various interests, as Azoff is a co-founder and owner of "Iconic Artists". For those unaware of who Irving Azoff is, google the name.
So if this dump of live material is listed to "Iconic Artists Group LLC", it connects directly to the group of interests and LLC's under the "Iconic" umbrella of holdings and Irving Azoff's interests, and that signing over of Mike's interests in the songs listed in the public documents at the link above into "Iconic Brothers".
That's all I'll post about it, but for those interested in going down the rabbit hole and some truly inside baseball, the links to start with are there.
That is, unless someone just felt like tagging "Iconic Artists Group LLC" onto a collection of bootlegged live tracks ripped from other sources...but I doubt that's the case.
Happy digging.
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Quote from: 37!ws on January 13, 2021, 04:47:51 AM
Word on the street is that it *is* an official release, like it or not. It just doesn't involve the usual suspects of Mark Linett et al. Also, the powers that be have said before that recordings of Beach Boys concerts from 1970 are virtually nonexistent, so if you're going to have a collection of 1970 stuff, what you have is pretty much what exists. It appears that they basically did a
Beat the Boots
kind of thing, like Zappa did: just basically dump what's on the boots.
Not true on concerts from 1970 being virtually nonexistent. There are a couple in the vaults. But of course that isn't relevant since the people who put this release together have zero access to multitrack concerts, or anything other than bootlegs.
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"A couple in the vaults" as opposed to, say, a big percent of their concerts = "virtually nonexistent." Note the adverb.
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As mentioned above, everything on this ”set” is lossy. Just had a look myself and there’s absolutely nothing above 15 kHz which is a sure sign of (terrible, low quality) compression.
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Quote from: guitarfool2002 on January 13, 2021, 08:30:39 AM
The plot thickens.
Granted, anyone can paste a copyright or ownership tag on anything posted online, the more dubious the more likely it can be done, HOWEVER:
Take a look at this discussion which fell off the radar here a few months ago:
http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,27459.0.html
"Iconic Artists Group" is under the same umbrella of LLC's and business entities as "Iconic Brothers LLC", which is - as you can read at that link - The LLC listed June 26, 2020 that acquired the BB's song titles from Mike's interests. Again, read the link. "Iconic Artists", "Iconic Brothers"...those company names are attached to multiple interests sharing the same corporate address as Irving Azoff's various interests, as Azoff is a co-founder and owner of "Iconic Artists". For those unaware of who Irving Azoff is, google the name.
So if this dump of live material is listed to "Iconic Artists Group LLC", it connects directly to the group of interests and LLC's under the "Iconic" umbrella of holdings and Irving Azoff's interests, and that signing over of Mike's interests in the songs listed in the public documents at the link above into "Iconic Brothers".
That's all I'll post about it, but for those interested in going down the rabbit hole and some truly inside baseball, the links to start with are there.
That is, unless someone just felt like tagging "Iconic Artists Group LLC" onto a collection of bootlegged live tracks ripped from other sources...but I doubt that's the case.
Happy digging.
Thanks for the info. Wasn’t familiar with this Irving Azoff character before but I quick Google search educated me. I wonder how he managed to become so successful. He must’ve worked his Azoff.
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Quote from: humanoidboogie on January 13, 2021, 12:20:28 PM
As mentioned above, everything on this ”set” is lossy. Just had a look myself and there’s absolutely nothing above 15 kHz which is a sure sign of (terrible, low quality) compression.
Just wondering what software you are using to test, just to know.
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I started a new thread, Live 1970.
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Quote from: guitarfool2002 on January 13, 2021, 08:30:39 AM
Quote from: humanoidboogie on January 13, 2021, 01:58:33 AM
BTW, looking on Tidal, details say ”copyright 2020 Iconic Artists Group, LLC”. I’m beginning to doubt that this is an official release... No sign of UMG/Capitol anywhere.
The plot thickens.
Granted, anyone can paste a copyright or ownership tag on anything posted online, the more dubious the more likely it can be done, HOWEVER:
Take a look at this discussion which fell off the radar here a few months ago:
http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,27459.0.html
"Iconic Artists Group" is under the same umbrella of LLC's and business entities as "Iconic Brothers LLC", which is - as you can read at that link - The LLC listed June 26, 2020 that acquired the BB's song titles from Mike's interests. Again, read the link. "Iconic Artists", "Iconic Brothers"...those company names are attached to multiple interests sharing the same corporate address as Irving Azoff's various interests, as Azoff is a co-founder and owner of "Iconic Artists". For those unaware of who Irving Azoff is, google the name.
So if this dump of live material is listed to "Iconic Artists Group LLC", it connects directly to the group of interests and LLC's under the "Iconic" umbrella of holdings and Irving Azoff's interests, and that signing over of Mike's interests in the songs listed in the public documents at the link above into "Iconic Brothers".
That's all I'll post about it, but for those interested in going down the rabbit hole and some truly inside baseball, the links to start with are there.
That is, unless someone just felt like tagging "Iconic Artists Group LLC" onto a collection of bootlegged live tracks ripped from other sources...but I doubt that's the case.
Happy digging.
How did it end up on the _official_ BB ch.
Have they lost all control?
And how did the FF snippets end up on Allmusic???
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Quote from: thetojo on January 13, 2021, 05:08:22 PM
Quote from: humanoidboogie on January 13, 2021, 12:20:28 PM
As mentioned above, everything on this ”set” is lossy. Just had a look myself and there’s absolutely nothing above 15 kHz which is a sure sign of (terrible, low quality) compression.
Just wondering what software you are using to test, just to know.
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I use iZotope RX as it has a great looking spectrogram function, but there are lots of different software offering this. Audacity has one, but it’s pretty basic. Then there’s software such as Tau Analyser or Trader’s Little Helper if you want a quicker alternative.
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Quote from: bsten on January 14, 2021, 01:08:19 AM
And how did the FF snippets end up on Allmusic???
That was the way to keep everything from losing copyright in 2020 so they didn’t have to spoil the box by doing massive digital dumps.
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Quote from: humanoidboogie on January 14, 2021, 03:29:04 AM
Quote from: thetojo on January 13, 2021, 05:08:22 PM
Quote from: humanoidboogie on January 13, 2021, 12:20:28 PM
As mentioned above, everything on this ”set” is lossy. Just had a look myself and there’s absolutely nothing above 15 kHz which is a sure sign of (terrible, low quality) compression.
Just wondering what software you are using to test, just to know.
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I use iZotope RX as it has a great looking spectrogram function, but there are lots of different software offering this. Audacity has one, but it’s pretty basic. Then there’s software such as Tau Analyser or Trader’s Little Helper if you want a quicker alternative.
Thanks.
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Quote from: All Summer Long on January 14, 2021, 09:32:10 AM
Quote from: bsten on January 14, 2021, 01:08:19 AM
And how did the FF snippets end up on Allmusic???
That was the way to keep everything from losing copyright in 2020 so they didn’t have to spoil the box by doing massive digital dumps.
I see, thanks. So that was an official thing. But the live set is another thing. Just don't understand how "they" - whoever it is - can/are able to put stuff like that on an _official_ channel...
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Quote from: bsten on January 15, 2021, 11:18:30 AM
Quote from: All Summer Long on January 14, 2021, 09:32:10 AM
Quote from: bsten on January 14, 2021, 01:08:19 AM
And how did the FF snippets end up on Allmusic???
That was the way to keep everything from losing copyright in 2020 so they didn’t have to spoil the box by doing massive digital dumps.
I see, thanks. So that was an official thing. But the live set is another thing. Just don't understand how "they" - whoever it is - can/are able to put stuff like that on an _official_ channel...
Since it has been over 50 years since these recordings, anyone can release them legally. Then since a new legal release comes out digitally, it gets uploaded to Youtube and Spotify. Mark and Alan weren't involved with this, but they did create those new mixes featured in the allmusic snippets.
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Quote from: Rocker on January 06, 2021, 08:55:42 AM
Back to Sunflower and "Feel Flows". I just stumbled upon this article:
It was poster on another messageboard and that user also posted a lot of other articles from the late 60s. Check them out:
https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=73674.1800
Thank you, Rocker. Never heard of that forum. Very interesting posts. Some stuff I had never seen before. -Will
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I just realized somethng, and sorry if this has already come up, I don't follow this thread that closely. But IIRC Howie said that Brian's (or Bruce's?) recollection of how "Marcella" was done impressed him mightily. But "Marcella" was on neither Sunflower nor Surf's Up but on So Tough. So, will this set also include material from that album? Again, I'm not following this thread closely but wait for the big announcement, so it's possible that this was already cleared, but I couldn't find anything related to that question.
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Thank you, Rocker. Never heard of that forum. Very interesting posts. Some stuff I had never seen before. -Will
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Quote from: Rocker on January 18, 2021, 01:38:56 AM
I just realized somethng, and sorry if this has already come up, I don't follow this thread that closely. But IIRC Howie said that Brian's (or Bruce's?) recollection of how "Marcella" was done impressed him mightily. But "Marcella" was on neither Sunflower nor Surf's Up but on So Tough. So, will this set also include material from that album? Again, I'm not following this thread closely but wait for the big announcement, so it's possible that this was already cleared, but I couldn't find anything related to that question.
Quote from: feelsflow on January 17, 2021, 12:53:35 PM
Thank you, Rocker. Never heard of that forum. Very interesting posts. Some stuff I had never seen before. -Will
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Wasn't Marcella recorded long long before the rest of the material for So Tough?
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Quote from: twentytwenty on January 18, 2021, 07:19:15 AM
Quote from: Rocker on January 18, 2021, 01:38:56 AM
I just realized somethng, and sorry if this has already come up, I don't follow this thread that closely. But IIRC Howie said that Brian's (or Bruce's?) recollection of how "Marcella" was done impressed him mightily. But "Marcella" was on neither Sunflower nor Surf's Up but on So Tough. So, will this set also include material from that album? Again, I'm not following this thread closely but wait for the big announcement, so it's possible that this was already cleared, but I couldn't find anything related to that question.
Quote from: feelsflow on January 17, 2021, 12:53:35 PM
Thank you, Rocker. Never heard of that forum. Very interesting posts. Some stuff I had never seen before. -Will
You're welcome! I didn't know that board either. I only came across it by accident when I was doing a picture search.
Wasn't Marcella recorded long long before the rest of the material for So Tough?
Technically it started out in the 60's as "All Dressed Up For School", then morphed into "I Just Got My Pay". The latter song was indeed recorded around the
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Just curious as to when we can expect more information to drop on the actual
Feel Flows
project. For those "in the know", is an official announcement of this project imminent? If I recall a few months ago Howie stated that everything was basically done with the box set. Is it just red tape legalities we're waiting on?
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Based on Al’s comments on Billy Hinsche’s FB show back in November, it is coming out in May or June. If that is still the case, I would imagine that there would be some sort of press in March.
It’s amazing that the YouTube video of the Allmusic snippets has had over 6K views. Clearly there is a demand for this set!
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Quote from: Rocker on January 18, 2021, 01:38:56 AM
I just realized somethng, and sorry if this has already come up, I don't follow this thread that closely. But IIRC Howie said that Brian's (or Bruce's?) recollection of how "Marcella" was done impressed him mightily. But "Marcella" was on neither Sunflower nor Surf's Up but on So Tough. So, will this set also include material from that album? Again, I'm not following this thread closely but wait for the big announcement, so it's possible that this was already cleared, but I couldn't find anything related to that question.
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Thank you, Rocker. Never heard of that forum. Very interesting posts. Some stuff I had never seen before. -Will
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I believe a good portion (half?) of So Tough was cut in 1971. This box covers the 2021 copyright extension.
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Quote from: DonnyL on January 18, 2021, 05:15:53 PM
Quote from: Rocker on January 18, 2021, 01:38:56 AM
I just realized somethng, and sorry if this has already come up, I don't follow this thread that closely. But IIRC Howie said that Brian's (or Bruce's?) recollection of how "Marcella" was done impressed him mightily. But "Marcella" was on neither Sunflower nor Surf's Up but on So Tough. So, will this set also include material from that album? Again, I'm not following this thread closely but wait for the big announcement, so it's possible that this was already cleared, but I couldn't find anything related to that question.
Quote from: feelsflow on January 17, 2021, 12:53:35 PM
Thank you, Rocker. Never heard of that forum. Very interesting posts. Some stuff I had never seen before. -Will
You're welcome! I didn't know that board either. I only came across it by accident when I was doing a picture search.
I believe a good portion (half?) of So Tough was cut in 1971. This box covers the 2021 copyright extension.
That could be the case! Personally I wouldn't have a problem with this set covering Sunflower through So Tough and then have a special single release for the Holland album. That album has a certain cult-status even outside of Beach Boys fans (not unlike Wild Honey), so it would make sense to release a special edition imo. Although I'm not sure if there is enough outtake material etc. from that time.
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