Al joining Mike and Bruce for Jones Beach show

[roll plymouth rock]

From FB:
Al Jardine
9 minutes ago
Despite some reports to the contrary, I am not touring with Mike Love and the Beach Boys this summer. I will, however, be joining Brian Wilson on July 4th in Cork, Ireland and July 5th at the Hop Farm Music Festival in Kent, England. I'm also planning to go out with my own band later this year. Thanks for all your support, Al

[Gohi]

Kind of disappointed that Al couldn't do this one show. Really lame of him.

[HeyJude]

This certainly makes much more sense. With Matt joining Brian’s band, and Al having played last year, I figured it was at least moderately likely that Al would appear again with Brian in some form, AGD’s predictions notwithstanding.

I’m wondering where the break down occurred with Al and Mike on the Jones Beach gig. I’m less concerned about that one show and more concerned that Al’s non-appearance will be either the cause or a result of a more harsh splintering between the two. However much I’m not a big fan of Mike having given up on the reunion, I’d rather see he and Al and all of the guys on good terms.

I wonder what the conversations about this show were like between Mike and Al. If it really had as much or more to do with sagging ticket sales (e.g. add more “original” members to try to sell more tickets for this one show), maybe Al didn’t like that idea? Pure guessing of course. I can’t imagine Al would take too kindly to a one-time invitation to be in his own band. Al did do the one-off gig with Mike in early 2011, but I think Al had more motivation to do that, as it clearly was a precursor to seeing if they could reunite. If Al knows Mike doesn’t want to reunite again, and the offer to play with Mike’s band is just a one-time thing, maybe that isn’t too appealing.

I would presume David will still be with Mike at this show. I wonder what future Brian dates hold. Will Al be at those dates? What are David’s plans?

It would be funny if Brian’s team were pissed about Mike poaching Foskett (I know, the timeline suggests this didn’t happen), so they poached Al from the Jones Beach show.

[HeyJude]

From FB:
Al Jardine
9 minutes ago
Despite some reports to the contrary, I am not touring with Mike Love and the Beach Boys this summer. I will, however, be joining Brian Wilson on July 4th in Cork, Ireland and July 5th at the Hop Farm Music Festival in Kent, England. I'm also planning to go out with my own band later this year. Thanks for all your support, Al

Hrmmm. This suggests Al may not be doing those October gigs with Brian. I was hoping the two July gigs might mean Al was going to do more beyond that. I guess Al could do a Brian tour and his own tour as well.

I’m actually most interested in Al actually doing his own tour with his own band.  I hope this doesn’t meant a half dozen “Endless Summer Band” gigs at some fairs, but actual full “solo” shows with interesting setlists and a good band. It would never happen, but Al essentially “opening” for Brian could actually be a cool idea.

[Foster's Freeze]

Well.

[HeyJude]

Kind of disappointed that Al couldn't do this one show. Really lame of him.

I’m not ready to blame someone other than Al, but we have no idea what the circumstances were behind this gig. We don’t know what Al was offered, nor what he accepted. Clearly, there was a plan for him to play. What that offer entailed, we do not know, nor do we know why the plan changed.

If it was just going to be Al sitting in with Mike’s band and taking two or three leads, I’m not sure how interesting that would have been anyway. If people bought tickets specifically because Al was going to be there (implying Mike’s own band wasn’t enough of a draw for those particular fans), then it’s up to whomever promoted the show to take the blame assuming Al didn’t violate any legal agreement to do the show.

Don’t get me wrong. I don’t tend to buy tickets to Mike’s shows. But if a show near me had been billed as including Al, I probably would have been curious enough to buy tickets. If Al then dropped out, I’d be interested to know who is to blame; and I’d be *really* conflicted about whether to attend or ask for a refund.

[SurfRiderHawaii]

 

From FB:
Al Jardine
9 minutes ago
Despite some reports to the contrary, I am not touring with Mike Love and the Beach Boys this summer. I will, however, be joining Brian Wilson on July 4th in Cork, Ireland and July 5th at the Hop Farm Music Festival in Kent, England. I'm also planning to go out with my own band later this year. Thanks for all your support, Al

I guess AGD needs to get some better insider contacts.  

Edit: ha, ha on me. Oops. Yeah, that kinda puts the kabosh on Jones Beach.

[roll plymouth rock]

From FB:
Al Jardine
9 minutes ago
Despite some reports to the contrary, I am not touring with Mike Love and the Beach Boys this summer. I will, however, be joining Brian Wilson on July 4th in Cork, Ireland and July 5th at the Hop Farm Music Festival in Kent, England. I'm also planning to go out with my own band later this year. Thanks for all your support, Al

I guess AGD needs to get some better insider contacts.  

Seriously, Al says he isn't touring with the BBs. Still leaves the door open for Jones Beach though that now sounds like a no because Al didn't confirm it.

Jones Beach is also on July 5

[KittyKat]

What is wrong with Al?  I'm sorry, but if you allow a promoter to use your name for a show, you should show up for it.  I don't get him. If he hates Mike, then don't agree to do the show or even open talks about it to begin with. Matt Jardine is also a big boy and doesn't need his daddy around for support.

[SonoraDick]

As The World Turns...

[roll plymouth rock]

What is wrong with Al?  I'm sorry, but if you allow a promoter to use your name for a show, you should show up for it.  I don't get him. If he hates Mike, then don't agree to do the show or even open talks about it to begin with. Matt Jardine is also a big boy and doesn't need his daddy around for support.

Sounds like Mike announced him appearing without him ever signing a contract agreeing to it. Not his problem if they announced it without a legal agreement with him

[SurfRiderHawaii]

What is wrong with Al?  I'm sorry, but if you allow a promoter to use your name for a show, you should show up for it.  I don't get him. If he hates Mike, then don't agree to do the show or even open talks about it to begin with. Matt Jardine is also a big boy and doesn't need his daddy around for support.

We don't know that Al had agreed to do the show. Recent reports indicate the contrary and that Mike jumped the gun. Bottom line, another typical BB screw-up. It would have been great for Brian, Al and David to appear with Mike and Bruce for a show this summer.

[Sheriff John Stone]

I wonder what the conversations about this show were like between Mike and Al. If it really had as much or more to do with sagging ticket sales (e.g. add more “original” members to try to sell more tickets for this one show), maybe Al didn’t like that idea?

And, of course, Brian and hiswifeandmanagers would never do that...

[guitarfool2002]

From FB:
Al Jardine
9 minutes ago
Despite some reports to the contrary, I am not touring with Mike Love and the Beach Boys this summer. I will, however, be joining Brian Wilson on July 4th in Cork, Ireland and July 5th at the Hop Farm Music Festival in Kent, England. I'm also planning to go out with my own band later this year. Thanks for all your support, Al

I guess AGD needs to get some better insider contacts.  

Seriously, Al says he isn't touring with the BBs. Still leaves the door open for Jones Beach though that now sounds like a no because Al didn't confirm it.

Jones Beach is also on July 5

    Looks like that open door has been slammed shut.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Those crazy Beach Boys, huh ? Still plenty of time for Alan to change his mind for the third (fourth ?) time... and appear with no-one at all. 

[KittyKat]

Al's name was on the show poster, advertised directly to people via Ticketmaster e-mail, and the gig was promoted in "Rolling Stone" magazine. If Al had a time to speak up, it was then, which was weeks ago. There's really no excuse for Al's behavior in this. He should have said something before more people bought tickets to it. Instead, he remained completely silent for weeks. The Beach Boys should allow refunds to any ticket buyers who bought based on Al being there. And Al should apologize for not speaking up much, much sooner.

[guitarfool2002]

If there is an opening for a guest artist at the Jones Beach gig since Al will be in the UK, maybe someone could call the surviving members of the Fat Boys, that could be a helluva reunion.  

[Sheriff John Stone]

Is Adam Jardine busy?

[ToneBender631]

Al's name was on the show poster, advertised directly to people via Ticketmaster e-mail, and the gig was promoted in "Rolling Stone" magazine. If Al had a time to speak up, it was then, which was weeks ago. There's really no excuse for Al's behavior in this. He should have said something before more people bought tickets to it. Instead, he remained completely silent for weeks. The Beach Boys should allow refunds to any ticket buyers who bought based on Al being there. And Al should apologize for not speaking up much, much sooner.

There was clearly more stuff going on behind the scenes that might not have allowed for such a statement until now. Let's wait until more information trickles out before tarring and feathering either Mike or Al.

This from the guy that started the thread...

[Andrew G. Doe]

There was clearly more stuff going on behind the scenes that might not have allowed for such a statement until now.

 

Maybe Alan can do Brian's show, and Brian can play with Mike. You heard it here first.  

[SMiLE Brian]

Mike and Al are at it again.

[HeyJude]

What is wrong with Al?  I'm sorry, but if you allow a promoter to use your name for a show, you should show up for it.  I don't get him. If he hates Mike, then don't agree to do the show or even open talks about it to begin with. Matt Jardine is also a big boy and doesn't need his daddy around for support.

But you’re just making assumptions, obviously. We don’t know who agreed to what, or when. Maybe Al spent the last few weeks getting lawyers to address the use of his name for a show he didn’t sign on to do. How would we know? Maybe they jumped the gun in advertising Al, and Al hadn’t decided for sure whether he was going to do it, and spent the last few weeks trying to work something out.

Or maybe Al agreed to do it and then just backed out, but hadn’t signed anything agreeing to it. But I can’t imagine all those “Mike did all the shows in 2012 he contractually agreed to” folks would then flip flop and criticize Al for not appearing at a show he didn’t even sign a contract to do, would they?

As far as refunds, I would imagine that the venue/promoter may well possibly agree to give refunds to those who ask. What they will probably find is a small percentage of people who bought tickets just because Al was there, and are so indifferent to Mike’s band otherwise that they would not still go see him. This is probably part of the reason Mike doesn’t have Al back in the band; it’s the “Beach Boys” name that sells the tickets, not the member names, especially when it’s not billed as five core members on an anniversary tour.

[guitarfool2002]

Al's name was on the show poster, advertised directly to people via Ticketmaster e-mail, and the gig was promoted in "Rolling Stone" magazine. If Al had a time to speak up, it was then, which was weeks ago. There's really no excuse for Al's behavior in this. He should have said something before more people bought tickets to it. Instead, he remained completely silent for weeks. The Beach Boys should allow refunds to any ticket buyers who bought based on Al being there. And Al should apologize for not speaking up much, much sooner.

There was clearly more stuff going on behind the scenes that might not have allowed for such a statement until now. Let's wait until more information trickles out before tarring and feathering either Mike or Al.

This from the guy that started the thread...

What more needs to trickle out, apart from maybe a clarification if Al had signed an agreement to do the gig? If Al had signed anything resembling a written agreement to do the show, and he pulled out after his involvement was sold to consumers buying tickets to the event, he'd be at the least in breach of contract and could rightfully be on the hook financially for that broken agreement. If the companies promoting this show went ahead and advertised Al on the bill, and Al had not signed anything agreeing to it, that's on those promoters...and if fans bought tickets to see Al at the show, they're on the hook to any fans who might feel ripped off.

Only in Beach Boys land, right?

[HeyJude]

There was clearly more stuff going on behind the scenes that might not have allowed for such a statement until now.

 

Maybe Alan can do Brian's show, and Brian can play with Mike. You heard it here first.  

What’s the time zone difference? Can Al pull a Phil Collins?

I know… In reaction, Mike will be adding Blondie Chaplin. Then Brian will add Ricky Fataar. Mike will then take Ed Carter From Al’s band, Randell Kirsche will go back to Papa Doo Run Run, which means Adrian Baker will be in, ummm, Al’s band?

Or  Joe Thomas will be replacing everybody with Sade’s backing band, you know, to get that sexy Sade sound?

[HeyJude]

I wonder what the conversations about this show were like between Mike and Al. If it really had as much or more to do with sagging ticket sales (e.g. add more “original” members to try to sell more tickets for this one show), maybe Al didn’t like that idea?

And, of course, Brian and hiswifeandmanagers would never do that...

Of course they probably do. But when they ask for Al to join, they aren’t asking him to re-join his own band (for apparently one night to boot), a band he was in for years and wanted to keep together after 2012. Right or wrong, maybe those things weigh on Al’s decision making in a different way.