Mike Love talks about C50 shows (March 26)

[Micha]

Hmm interesting discussion.  From a female point of view, no the BB's are not sexy in the least, but that's not so bad, what I think what they lacked is charisma.  Apart from Dennis (who was stuck at the back)  they were all pretty shy guys.  Mike is not shy also, but he's not charismatic, he's corny as hell and always has been.

My mother thinks Brian is the cutest!

[Micha]

Oh,just a couple of things, you know, like BW88, Imagination, BWPS, OCA, LOS, BWRG, That's all. And didn't miss the throat twiddelings of Monsignor Luhv in any one of those outings, lyKe it ohr Knot. Didn't you mean nazal pukish bleatings?

IMHO, Awldsyrferdood comes across a bit chyldish.

[filledeplage]

Hmm interesting discussion.  From a female point of view, no the BB's are not sexy in the least, but that's not so bad, what I think what they lacked is charisma.  Apart from Dennis (who was stuck at the back)  they were all pretty shy guys.  Mike is not shy also, but he's not charismatic, he's corny as hell and always has been.  Back in the 60's that was fine.  Not so afterwards.  Dennis would have been better out the front after the 60's, he has more genuine love for the audience, wasn't so sarcastic and waffling and well... he just mooooved better.   

I know Mike has kept the band and name going for decades and he's a hard working guy and all that, but sometimes I just cringe at the things he says and does and the whole blasted 80's Baywatch crap. 

IMO of course..

Back in the day, those " garage band" guys all became "sexy" when they stepped onstage.  Not just the Boys, but all these bands, had guys who might have been considered average looking, became sex symbols, such as Mick Jagger, who became just the hottest guy alive, when he got onstage. His singing and swagger made him attractive.  And, that might be a sixties or seventies standard, but being a member of a "rock and roll" band conferred a certain appeal and attractiveness to the "contemporary" ladies. 

A certain "dynamic" emerged and standard of what was sexy, and being in a rock band, and having your band in those TeenBeat type magazines, with posters in the centerfold, made them sexy via public relations and print media promotion.  The Beatles haircuts and long hair on men, were suddenly the rage, much to the chagrin of parents who marched their boys to the barber shops for a "boys' regular."

People can argue the Baywatch or Full House thing either way, but most people in media will agree that these cameo appearances, only enhance the name value or brand value of an entity.  And, are never a bad move to gain media exposure.  They might look tacky now, to some, but fit nicely into the genre of the time, and I find it hugely unfair to judge 1980's - 90's stuff with a 2013 lens which tends, generally to be revisionist.  JMHO 

[The Shift]

I agree, I don't like it how fans are called "brianistas" for saying that Brian was the force behind the group.

If that were the reason we would all be Brianista. Of course Brian was the force behind the group and is much more talented musically than Mike. Mike himself acknowledges this and praises Brian all the time. What makes a Brianista is that strange disgust and deep hatred against Mike that seems to me, honestly, a bit insane. I agree Mike's decisions are often not the best ones and he has absolutely no understanding for Brian's problems. But I just can't understand the fun in hating Mike so deeply.

If people have an already stated opinion of Mike why must they continue to state said opinion in a variety of threads and or topics. I am not fond of some of Mike's actions but, I do not feel it is necessary to ram my opinion of Mike down someone elses throat.

Absolutely.

I think there was also a Brianista variant that simply wanted to take him home, bake him cakes, tuck him in at night and cuddle him. And not let him out in daylight cos of what those nasty Beach Boys might do to him. They knew what was right for him and it needn't involve anyone else.

Dangerous people.

[Micha]

I agree, I don't like it how fans are called "brianistas" for saying that Brian was the force behind the group.

If that were the reason we would all be Brianista. Of course Brian was the force behind the group and is much more talented musically than Mike. Mike himself acknowledges this and praises Brian all the time. What makes a Brianista is that strange disgust and deep hatred against Mike that seems to me, honestly, a bit insane. I agree Mike's decisions are often not the best ones and he has absolutely no understanding for Brian's problems. But I just can't understand the fun in hating Mike so deeply.

If people have an already stated opinion of Mike why must they continue to state said opinion in a variety of threads and or topics. I am not fond of some of Mike's actions but, I do not feel it is necessary to ram my opinion of Mike down someone elses throat.

Absolutely.

I think there was also a Brianista variant that simply wanted to take him home, bake him cakes, tuck him in at night and cuddle him. And not let him out in daylight cos of what those nasty Beach Boys might do to him. They knew what was right for him and it needn't involve anyone else.

Dangerous people.

I'm scared now, thanks.

[Micha]

I'm scared now, thanks.

But you made me laugh with this:

6) erm… that's it…
7) I don't want to reach 8 because the board software turns it into a Smiley in shades…
 See what I mean…
9) Darn, I did it anyway…

[AndrewHickey]

I agree, I don't like it how fans are called "brianistas" for saying that Brian was the force behind the group.

If that were the reason we would all be Brianista. Of course Brian was the force behind the group and is much more talented musically than Mike. Mike himself acknowledges this and praises Brian all the time. What makes a Brianista is that strange disgust and deep hatred against Mike that seems to me, honestly, a bit insane. I agree Mike's decisions are often not the best ones and he has absolutely no understanding for Brian's problems. But I just can't understand the fun in hating Mike so deeply.

Couldn't agree more. Of course, one or two people on the board have had bad experiences with Mike, and it's fair enough when they dislike him -- though even then with some it tends towards monomania. But most of us have either never met him or spent a couple of minutes with him after a show getting an autograph.

Honestly, even if every single bad thing ever said about Mike were true (and for all I know it is), he's caused very little actual harm in his life -- he's behaved badly towards a lot of people in his family, most of whom seem to have, mostly, forgiven him, and that's really about all that can be said about him (and that's if everything bad said about him is true).

Personally, I try not to hate anyone, but to the extent that I *do* hate people, it's because they have hurt me or those I love, or they've started wars or committed genocide or mass murder or something. Even recording Looking Back With Love doesn't really fall into that category.

For all I know he may well be a horrible man. I suspect he's not as bad as many say, but he may well be. But so what? There are seven billion people in the world, and I'd guess that at least half a billion or so of them are horrible people.

[ontor pertawst]

At least all sides can come together and be grateful that at the very least, Mike Love has never carried out genocide.

...and when we say never, we do mean a certain amount.

[Heysaboda]

Bruce looked like a Kennedy in in his younger days.

Bruce is no Jack Kennedy!

Strangely Bruce looks exactly like a Kennedy from the front (especially Ted Kennedy) but like Jimmy Cagney from the side.

And he looks like Jimmy Durante from the back!  hot cha cha cha cha!

 

[Heysaboda]

I agree, I don't like it how fans are called "brianistas" for saying that Brian was the force behind the group. The other members helped out a huge deal, but the BBs in their prime as a functioning band were a vehicle for BW's ideas.

Is there such a thing as an "Alanista"?

 

[oldsurferdude]

Oh,just a couple of things, you know, like BW88, Imagination, BWPS, OCA, LOS, BWRG, That's all. And didn't miss the throat twiddelings of Monsignor Luhv in any one of those outings, lyKe it ohr Knot. Didn't you mean nazal pukish bleatings?

IMHO, Awldsyrferdood comes across a bit chyldish.

It's nothing but a message board. Grohw Uhp, mahn.

[BB Universe]

IMHO, Awldsyrferdood comes across a bit chyldish.

+1 

[oldsurferdude]

IMHO, Awldsyrferdood comes across a bit chyldish.

+1 

  Only +1?? What a cheapskate!!

[SMiLE Brian]

 

[Gertie J.]

 

[Shady]

What's a thread without Gertie's smiley face contributions

 

[Gertie J.]

do you envy me? 

[Shady]

Not really you, but your posting style. You always choose the right smiley  

See, I chose the wrong one there

[Wild-Honey]

Hmm interesting discussion.  From a female point of view, no the BB's are not sexy in the least, but that's not so bad, what I think what they lacked is charisma.  Apart from Dennis (who was stuck at the back)  they were all pretty shy guys.  Mike is not shy also, but he's not charismatic, he's corny as hell and always has been.  Back in the 60's that was fine.  Not so afterwards.  Dennis would have been better out the front after the 60's, he has more genuine love for the audience, wasn't so sarcastic and waffling and well... he just mooooved better.   

I know Mike has kept the band and name going for decades and he's a hard working guy and all that, but sometimes I just cringe at the things he says and does and the whole blasted 80's Baywatch crap. 

IMO of course..

Back in the day, those " garage band" guys all became "sexy" when they stepped onstage.  Not just the Boys, but all these bands, had guys who might have been considered average looking, became sex symbols, such as Mick Jagger, who became just the hottest guy alive, when he got onstage. His singing and swagger made him attractive.  And, that might be a sixties or seventies standard, but being a member of a "rock and roll" band conferred a certain appeal and attractiveness to the "contemporary" ladies. 

A certain "dynamic" emerged and standard of what was sexy, and being in a rock band, and having your band in those TeenBeat type magazines, with posters in the centerfold, made them sexy via public relations and print media promotion.  The Beatles haircuts and long hair on men, were suddenly the rage, much to the chagrin of parents who marched their boys to the barber shops for a "boys' regular."

People can argue the Baywatch or Full House thing either way, but most people in media will agree that these cameo appearances, only enhance the name value or brand value of an entity.  And, are never a bad move to gain media exposure.  They might look tacky now, to some, but fit nicely into the genre of the time, and I find it hugely unfair to judge 1980's - 90's stuff with a 2013 lens which tends, generally to be revisionist.  JMHO 

Well you may be right about the 60's and such but I am not looking through a 2013 lens at the 80's and 90's BB stuff.  I remember what I thought at the time.  I cringed at the Baywatch stuff.  It was odious to me.  I couldn't stand Full House, I thought it was a corny, fake, badly acted show.  The only people I know who watched it were older mums with their kids and possibly nanas.  I'm sorry but I think that when Mike took control things got corny.  Mind you the 80's and 90's were generally a little corny and embarrassing and I have a few photos from that time I'd never post on FB that's for sure!   

Ah well it doesn't matter really,  It doesn't change the way I feel about the music

[Nicko1234]

Well you may be right about the 60's and such but I am not looking through a 2013 lens at the 80's and 90's BB stuff.  I remember what I thought at the time.  I cringed at the Baywatch stuff.  It was odious to me.  I couldn't stand Full House, I thought it was a corny, fake, badly acted show.  The only people I know who watched it were older mums with their kids and possibly nanas.  I'm sorry but I think that when Mike took control things got corny.  Mind you the 80's and 90's were generally a little corny and embarrassing and I have a few photos from that time I'd never post on FB that's for sure!   

I agree that those shows were corny but I'm not sure the group were capable of being anything other than corny at that stage. I imagine Mike's attitude at the time was, 'Brian isn't going to write us a hit anytime soon so what can we do to keep the band in the public eye?' If they'd been offered the chance to appear on the coolest shows of the time then I'm sure they would have accepted but as it was they took what they could get. That goes for the duets and movie soundtracks too.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

I agree with you, Nicko.


That said, I hate hate hate hate HATED Full House. Actually, I hated the entire Friday night ABC lineup, save Perfect Strangers. Dave Coulier's character annoyed me so much that I wanted to strangle him with a thing of Twizzlers. There was a worse show that came on right afterwards (or was it the following one? I don't remember). All I remember is some annoying kid with glasses, and the neighbor who looked like she belonged in a stream swatting fish rather than being on TV,

[The Shift]

I hope there's news very soon!  We're discussing bloody Full House now!   

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Hey, we could be talking about Brian playing 'Mr Hawthorne' on The New Leave it to Beaver!

[Wah Wah Wah Ooooo]

One of the funniest blogs on the web...this guy is in the process of reviewing every episode of Full House in chronological order. Hilarious:

http://www.fullhousereviewed.com/

[Wild-Honey]

One of the funniest blogs on the web...this guy is in the process of reviewing every episode of Full House in chronological order. Hilarious:

http://www.fullhousereviewed.com/

I had a quick read.  Funny stuff    This is part of what he had to say about the Full House Beach Boys epidode:

"The Beach Boys were one of the most innovative and influential singing groups of their time but they really seem to be more remembered for their corny radio hits than the experimental psychedelic rock masterpieces they created in their heyday.  I’ve always wondered why that is, but now I know.  This episode of Full House single-handedly ruined the Beach Boys for an entire generation".