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When Record Store Day came around this year I went to my local shop in Los Angeles. After waiting an hour in line to pick up the Sun Records comp, I made my way over to the Beach Boys cds, not expecting much; I go to the store about once a week, always on the lookout for something new to add to my BB collection, hoping against hope something rare will show up.

Lo and behold, I spot something out of the ordinary:

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If it's something you saw in a store, nothing to worry about.

Some interesting selections for sure. Quite a few titles that haven't seen the light of day.

Some other insights based on the track list -

Many of these titles have been teased for years and many have circulated probably as far back as the late 1970s. Based off of what I know from what's on the comp, much of what's here is certainly "bonus track" quality.

WOW. You are one lucky guy. How's the Til I Die demo sound?

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AWAKE is one of the most beautiful songs I ever heard. Can't figure out why they never released it. Brian's voice is so incredible on it. Probably the prettiest demo recording ever.

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Great find! Can you shed some light on the This Whole World (Alt vocals / long version)?

 :o  You have done very well!

Any artifacts on the cover or the CDs (ie, if you stick it in a PC drive and see what date the files were created) that indicate what year this was put together?

I would give you my left hand for that "'Til I Die" demo.

Edit: Oh, hey, look. 1000 posts.

 :pirate  Yay, Bubbly Waves - both a cause for celebration and a pause for concern are in order

Holy crap...is this real? i'd kill to hear that til i die demo, and Clangin'.

crazy...i heard a bit of MIC before it's release, and yet there's STILL stuff out there i've never heard!

Can't wait until you get to hear it all and then deliver a full report/review of your findings, double spaced, due by Wednesday evening. ;)

It starts with a brief session intro, just a little noodling before the count-in. The opening "I'm thinkin bout this whole world" sounds like Mike instead of Brian--possibly doubled with somebody else but even with headphones I can't be sure. Then it goes into Carl's lead, which is double-tracked. "When girls get mad at boys and go..." is sung by Brian as heard on Disc 6 of Made in California. He sounds awesome! I wish this line made the final cut. "You are there like everywhere" is back to Carl, double tracked again. The wordless break has a different mix with some of the backing vocals featured more prominently, reminding me of the dense, swirling vocal textures on Smile. The Sunflower mix is relatively tame here, favoring Brian's vocal at the expense of the overall blend. You can get a pretty good idea what I'm talking about by listening to the vocals-only mix of this passage and then the Sunflower version. Then, rather than an a cappella fade, the track keeps playing under the "Ah-Oom-Dot-Di-Dit" vocals. Where the song would normally end, Brian comes over the monitor and says, "that's it" but the band jams on for another minute until Brian comes on again saying, "we got it".  

I don't see anything there that hasn't been booted before. Even the various mixes have shown up on boots. Nothing really surprising here. Was this from Rockaway or Amoeba or Fingerprints or Origami or Atomic or which store in L.A.?

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I havent seen the TiI Die demo booted before, and ive never heard Clangin.

So how does "Hawaii Song" sound ? And which "Ol' Movie" ? Some of those track notations and placements indicate to me that whoever compiled those lists doesn't know their BB archives, and that rules out Capitol or anything connected with Boyd. Something not quite right here.

This is important - if anyone is thinking of contacting Boyd about this, please don't. He's otherwise occupied right now. Maybe later.

"Single Release" of "We Got Love"?

Oh, and the idea of there being a whole extra minute of "This Whole World" blows my mind. That song always felt like it should go on forever...

Cheers,
Jon Blum

Considering the track actually known as Hawaiian Song has a) never left the vaults, and b) was recorded YEARS before its placement here, I have a strong feeling it's a different song with the wrong title.  The weird thing is I was told years ago that the original lyrics of Til I Die were wiped and the tape no longer exists.

Most odd.

There is no "original mix" of "4th of July": the song as released on the 1993 box set was pieced together from at least two different tapes, and it's long been known that Carl's lead was a scratch/work vocal. It wasn't finished back in 1971. Definitely something odd going on here.

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Beg to differ, but looking purely at the track listing there's about nine, ten errors that simply would not happen if Capitol or BRI (=Alan Boyd) were involved.

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Please, for the love of everything holy and good in the universe, CIRCULATE THESE RECORDINGS!!!!  :o  :thud  :ahh

This looks suspect - at least not an in-house product - to me. Seems unlikely that phrases such as "surfs up era" and "early very diff short mix" would be used by anyone other than a fanboy. I think you've hit on someone's wet dream, maybe comped from various boots.

If it were an 'official' Capitol product, the listings would be typed, not handwritten. There's a definite mystery here.

Well it seems to me that this is either some real grade 'A' level trolling (which I sort of doubt) or else that these CDs were probably burned at home by someone with vault access who had previously copied everything to a hard drive while at the studio. They took the music home and assembled these potential line-ups as a homework assignment for Capitol or BRI. Reference copies in other words. But then somehow the discs found their way into a bootleg shop instead of where they were supposed to go, maybe as the result of a break-in or by somebody else making copies on the sly, unbeknownst to the compiler.

The real mystery to me is why the people who discover these rare outtakes feel the need to come on here and crow about it to get us all salivating, only to go on about how they're not going to share it to anyone. If this is really the case the proper thing to do would either be to PM someone with ties to BRI and let them know privately, or just keep it to yourself if you don't want to make it public. Showcasing it in a public forum is just going to piss people off.

Yes. I won't make demands and if someone doesn't want to share, fine, but if I had just come across these by chance (versus someone giving them to me in confidence), they'd have already quietly been posted in their original quality elsewhere with no fanfare on my part.

And to find them at a record store? It's like someone wanted these to be found and heard.

Do it.

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I smell another beachboys_fr story coming this way...

"OKEY gais how many collectibles ar u giving me for 30 secs of Til I Die demo? biggest offur wins!"

Worse, another Bellagio Insider.

I think a boxset has just been released and years will pass before another career-compiling project, if it will happen at all. The demo of Til I Die certainly won't fit in another 'The Return of the Son of Sounds of Summer' compilation.

I guess Klay cam share it and it won't hurt anyone, or BRI. I think there was a point in not leaking WIBNTLA before its official release, but in this case...

So... share it. Just bragging about it brings us really bad memories.

Personally, I don't see any bragging here.  While I'd love to here this stuff & probably won't get to in the near future, I also like to stay informed about what's out there with the hope that I might one day get access to it.

I agree with Andrew that the terminology and descriptions don't add up. Smells funny. Nothing Klay has written about it has eased that suspicion. If someone we all know heard an unbooted snippet from it I'd feel better that this was real. Maybe I'm being overly cynical.

Yes, Klay, share it with me so I can allay everyone's suspicions.

Klay, share it with me. We can add it to the Survivor rounds.  >:D

Learn it. Know it. Live it. Love it.

sry

This is going to be fun, plenty of smoke rising from the PM machine  :lol

Holy sh*t, you guys. Just got back from the same record store (Googled the place and found the address). Check this out:

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*cries*

Now that is funny! "Mike threatens VDP w/ meat tenderizer" session.  :lol

Hahaha genius bro

Wow, I can't believe folks are ripping this guy for coming here and sharing his excitement over his find...  I don't see it as gloating at all.  It's OK to be envious, but for the envy to manifest itself as attacks on the OP -- sheesh...

Agreed. He seems to be being pretty level-headed about the whole thing.

Isn't Hawaiian Song supposed to be an early version of Lil Pad or am I misremembering? Klay - any similarities you can hear?

Would love to hear this - please consider sharing, Klay!

Edit: I see Runners already answered my question in his tracklisting!

Lee, this place has been like that since I became a member. People act like spoiled little brats when someone has something that they do not have. It's why things get so out of hand in here sometimes.

We've had our share of Bellagio Insiders as well. Some will remember that fiasco.

I wanna hear that "Surf's Up (extra spicy mix)"! Is that the one with Dennis singing lead?  :lol

I agree. Everyone needs to cool off and take a few steps back.

It just feels like the prevailing attitude is something like:

Poster: Hey folks -- I just stumbled upon some rare, unreleased, unbootlegged stuff at the record store today!  As soon as I've had a chance to digest it, I'll post on here and describe it.

Smiley Board: Oh yeah, buddy?  Well, if you're not prepared to give us copies right now, then get the hell out of here!

Lee

+over 9000!



I can understand the excitement, but just like with beachboys_fr one must be aware that this board is full of diehard fans who would love to hear this stuff.

If OP wants to share then that's cool of course, if not then I would question his motives of posting this info here. Ofc it could always be troll material and we're wasting our time. Last time this happened people had to give up a number of collectibles to hear WIBNTLA which IMO was poor judgment by the OP back then.

Would be great if this OP can figure out what he/she wants to do rather than post about his/her joys much to the envy of others without it really going anywhere. Everyone KNOWS Brian did a demo of Til I Die, everyone KNOWS there was an alleged session about a song called Clangin, etc. People want to hear it, not have it described in words. It's like trying to explain what a Mozart piece sounds like in an essay - utterly pointless; unless the song is to be heard afterwards. Probably won't be released since we got MiC with less than what the diehard fans were hoping for in terms of new or unreleased material (which is abundant).

I'm not telling OP what to do. He/she is free to do whatever. This is simply a friendly reminder for anyone to act with caution and with a plan of action when presenting this kind of news to the board. I'm just hoping that this doesn't go down like last time. ;)

He was asked to describe it, it wasn't like he was gloating and did it on his own. No one should expect anything that they are not entitled to. Pretty simple concept, really.

It's possible that this is the only chance we have to hear some of these songs. At the very least it will be a while...it's normal to want something like this.

I told everyone that an instrumental of TM Song would be revelatory and they called me a madman, looks like the joke is on them now... well, only kinda, I probably will go mad as long as I know that these recordings exist beyond my grasp :'(

It might be normal to want, but to get testy & rude about it isn't.

Sometimes while reading through threads I laugh out loud.  This is one of those times.  Thanks pixletwin.  Like adding the list to a new odds'n'ends Survivor (Hey, I've got leverage here!) is going to convince him to share it all with you. :p

You know the scary thing is that this looks EXACTLY like my handwriting:

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(and no, it's not...)

Lee

I don't think anyone's being mean to Klay, exactly.
Just because people aren't fully buying what he's selling doesn't constitute some sort of mean-spiritedness.

It's just a healthy dose of skepticism, and why not? The whole thing is a complete mystery that none of has answers for - how often does that happen?

I would love to hear these recordings, just like anyone else on this board, and would be delighted if he felt like sharing. And, again, why not? You have a bunch of unreleased recordings that you could share with a grateful audience. What's the harm?
If I had found and bought this collection (and I would have, dammit), you people would be the first I would share these songs with.

However, if he doesn't want to edit: hate (Freudian slip) share for whatever reason, I'll be forced to swallow my jealousy and move on.

So how is the sound quality on this thing?  Does it sound like a bootleg or do the tracks sound like they have been professionally touched up?

I think it's uncool to DEMAND anything from Klay.

If he had said that he's got those tracks but he can't share beacause someone he knows might lose his job, I'd understand. I'd welcome descriptions. That's not the case.

Well, whatever, it's not killing me not to listen to those tracks.

If you folks like descritions so much, I can write about Burlesque, the long lost Brian track from 1972 which has a counterpoint that ended up as the main tune in Midnight's Another Day. Unfortunately I can't share.  :-D

I'm happy Klay came on here and shared as much as he did. This board is supposed to be a "bootleg free" zone isn't it (other than discussion)? They guy found something cool, listened to it and is giving us descriptions which I am very happy to read. Hopefully he'll post some more. I get the feeling if other people here found this, they'd share it with a select few but wouldn't go out of their way to help everyone here get a copy or download. There is no reason why Klay should. No one here is entitled to anything.

I don't agree, just to be the devil's advocate.

He should have known when he posted here he'd be asked to post.

Every thread gets to this eventually

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Right, right; two step, side step....

What’s this, more diaphanous moiety?

>:D

Is the "original" Take a Load off Your Feet" mix the Dumb Angel version?

This is the mother load

How does somebody get so lucky

If it's a bootleg, surely other copies will surface.

Did a quick review. The tracks marked with a red X have made the rounds. But there are still some nice tracks that haven't. Good Find!!

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If this is genuine - which I hope it is - where's he gone?? Hey if I'd come across a find like this I'd be running at the mouth telling you all about it, answering all your questions, sharing in the joy, and so on. I'd be telling you everything about, say, Old Movie i.e. is it just Cuddle Up as we know it just under a different title? Whereas Klay bunged it on here and then seemingly vanished. His silence in itself screams hoax. So let's here some more info and details and help change the minds of skeptics like me.

Not everyone spends their life on the internet.

Some of you LA cats should visit CD Trader and investigate. If it was legitimate, whoever burned those copies is probably burning up a fresh batch. I used to know a shop in Seattle that burned DVD boots to replenish their stock whenever they moved a few archive rarities.

Ya know what, Klay?  This sounds like a total crock of bullshit.  

But, that being said, I'd like to believe you've stumbled across something really cool, on Record Store Day, no less.

So it sounds like you waited an hour to pick up your Sun Records comp, when one would assume you'd also pay for that purchase, but perhaps not, then you made it over to the Beach Boys section "hoping against hope that something rare will show up" and amazingly it does!  OK, really cool.  

So the first thing I'm curious about is the handwriting.  Do your copies of this two disc set contain the original handwritten inserts, or do the inserts look like copies?  Do you feel what you have is a one-of-a-kind original, or do you think this is one of potentially many copies of the original?  How closely does the handwriting on these jewel case inserts resemble your own?  (Or Lee Dempsey's, for that matter! ;D)

Next, the jewel case inserts themselves exactly resemble those of the TDK CD-R brand, which were last made roughly 10 years ago, with each CD-R and insert sold individually in jewel cases.  One side said "Title" and had exactly 22 lines, as do yours (when shown fully, which I think only applies to your first scan or photo) and the other side was in full color with no lines or space for writing.  Since you show two-sided inserts per disc, were the inserts printed back to back, or do you have two separate inserts placed back to back?

Are these CD-Rs, or are these factory CDs?  Please post a scan or photo of the label side of the CD's themselves.

You stated, "Each jewel case is branded with the following: 'All selections are from rough sources only and in no way reflect the quality of the final product.'"  Can you please post a scan or photo of this statement on the jewel cases?  Also, are these standard size or slim-line jewel cases?  What color is the plastic insert which holds each disc?  (Eg, black, white, clear plastic, etc?)  And could you perhaps explain why not even one of the tracks supposedly under consideration on these CDs is from better than a "rough source"?

That's it - the end of my questions, at least for know.  Like I said, my gut feeling, unless this is a very cool and cleverly done bootleg, is that this whole thing sounds like top quality BS.  Well, actually rather low quality BS.  But I'd absolutely love to discover that this is genuine, either as a bootleg, or less likely, an actual working CD intended for Capitol Records.  So do us all a favor, in addition to my requests above, send a few of the ultra-rare files to Lee Dempsey and Andrew Doe and let them report back to the board.  Or, at the very least, give 'em a call and play the songs over the phone.

After last few posts, i doubt we will ever hear from this dude again.. If I were in his place and this cd was real deal, I wouldn´t pass songs to this board...
The guy was asked about the content, songs and he answered them pretty well and concrete.. Shame some of us have to put him down like this...
Maybe I´m just naive..

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Legit or not, the dude has been pummeled.

I've shopped at that place at least a dozen times in the past.
Frequently scored gold when it came to Beach Boys/Beatles boots.
Always great stuff, Greenwich Village-record store-in-the-'80s-quality discs.
I have no reason to doubt this guy.

Yeah, some of us spend our life watching TV.

There are some very specific traits in the handwriting -- the most obvious to me is that all of the periods after numbers and abbreviations are about 1/3 the way up off the baseline.  That's a pretty uncommon handwriting characteristic (and probably the main thing that doesn't match my own handwriting!)  :lol

Lee

I so want to hear the track "Alan Boyd accidentally erases Good Vibrations vocals"!!! :-D

Whether Klay's klaym claim is legit or not, that joke alone was worth the thread!

Well I, as stated in my previous post, would love for this to be legitimate with some real gems, and hope Klay comes back with more posts providing additional info.  Hopefully it's a bootleg (if, in fact, the board rules allow one to hope for a bootleg :)) and thus more copies will pop up.  Many of the questions in my previous post were aimed at attempting to determine if this appears to be a one-of-a-kind item, or a bootleg made to look as such, which means there should be a number of copies floating around.  I hope Klay will clarify that info. 

For the record, you guys can talk about bootlegs to your heart's content. It's the whole requesting and/or trading bootlegs that has to be done off of the board.

I think the way to get more info about what this actually is would be to do what someone suggested up thread and talk to the people that work at the store. A music store participating in Record Store Day would have some idea what they were selling here. For that reason, I'm pretty skeptical about it being something from the tower and think it's probably a homemade bootleg.

Thanks for the clarification.  One thing that fascinates me is how many of the types of things that used to be leak out on bootlegs now pop up on YouTube.

Just to uncloudy the waters, I'm not being antagonistic towards Klay personally. All I'm doing is looking at the posted track listings and what I'm seeing is problematical, for the reasons I've already stated. I'm confident that whatever they turn out to be, they're not sanctioned by Capitol, or have anything to do with Boyd, so the question is... what's the origin ?  Given our communal deductive ability and our legendary tenaciousness, I'm sure the truth will emerge.

So THAT'S what happened to the Good Vibrations vocal sessions tape!

So what do we hear on this particular track?  Dead air and/or Boyd swearing up and down that he erased the GV vocals?

This thread illustrates why this board is a shitty place these days.

This is why the 'honored guests' rarely post, and anyone coming on here with any real, cool info are chased away. Perhaps we should just be grateful for the information that has been shared (real or a hoax), and discuss what has been presented.

The CDRs and the original poster look pretty legit to me.  Besides, if it were a hoax, don't you think the point would be to watch everyone get uptight and beg to hear them?

Anyway, there are several indicators (to me) that's it's totally legit. I'd guess it was 2007-ish or 2011-12, unless somehow it's for a future idea ... seems doubtful since the 2012 reissues though.

Klay will not likely post on this page again, and I can't blame him. Looks like he registered back in 2011, and has made a few posts in the past.

Jeez. I would have thought there'd have been a bit more good cheer than that.

Donny, quit cryin'. What gets me the most is the ultra sensitive posters here. Get thicker skins, people! Geez, this board is no different now than it's always been. You wouldn't have lasted two shits on the Male Ego board.

Look, a little analogy and take it FWIW. Have any of you guys been "prick teased" before and you couldn't do anything about it except be a little pissed off about it afterwards? That's what this is. Somebody (legit or not) comes along with a bootleg, complete with track listings of a few tracks on it that supposedly haven't been heard before, even amongst hardcore collectors who possess every recorded fragment by the Beach Boys known to man. So the guy, with just a few posts to his name, posts this track listing of a CD he supposedly bought at a record store, then takes his ball and goes home without posting anymore details about the unreleased tracks. So what are we suppose to do? Kiss his butt so he comes back and posts more details on what he's heard on the CD or ridicule him for posting BS on the board concerning tracks that don't exist or ridicule him for having a legit CD but holding back and not posting details of the contents to piss us off further?

The legitimacy of this thing is in question when the poster (Klay) doesn't come back with more info. Yeah, he's not obligated to do this, but he's the one who put it out there on the board, then bailed. It's like holding candy out to a little kid, then pulling it away quickly without letting him have it. Take your pick - it's human nature to react like this, especially amongst rabid fans/collectors who have seen most of the titles before, and have always wanted to place the titles with the music. If it's legit, more than likely it'll show up sooner or later - probably on the good ol' Internet. If not, we'll say "I told you so" and move on. Look back on the post by "Petsite. See how very few tracks haven't been in circulation anyway? Just be thankful to those that have shared all that stuff on the list that's out there already. Not that big of a deal from what I can see. But if they are legit, somebody will come forward eventually and review/release them.

It's not about ultra-sensitive posters. It's a rude a disrespectful place, even by online standards.

I'm not particularly sensitive, but still, I don't like the vibe here. So I don't really post too often and read less often than I used to. Cool, problem solved for me.

One sure way to keep informed, interesting discussion from occurring here is to keep going the way it's been going. Just look at the kinds of discussions that used to happen here, and the quality of the posters, compared to now.

There is one reason and one reason alone the guy 'took his ball home' -- that's because he was treated rudely and with a lack of respect. We'll be lucky if he comes back to post more info.

I can tell you for sure if I came across something like this, I would certainly not post here about it.

So if Clay never shows up again we've got the skepticals to blame for it. Oh boy.

I've seen rudeness here, sure, but in a scale from 0 to 10 I'd say we've only reached 2 or 3 in this thread.

Yeah, people really seem to be overreacting.

Yeah pretty much it's one of the ugly truths of the internet.  I'll tell you a little story although I'll leave the band's name out of it.  Around ten years ago I was a member of a [insert band's name] forum that had a rather large, opinionated and quite frankly sometimes boisterous fanbase.  One day a stranger (cue "Once Upon A Time In The West") blows into town claiming to have in his possession a long coveted track that many others had heard about but never actually heard.  "You're a liar" cried out a voice from one corner of the forum.  "Judas!" cried another.  "What makes you so special that you get to hear this track and we don't?" cried many.

The stranger in an effort to prove the legitimacy of his claim responded by posting the lyrics the the aforementioned rare track to the forum.  Now two things should be noted at this point: First off in regards to the rare track, while nobody had actually heard the track, the lyrics to the track were known to several folks bound to know of such things.  Secondly of those aforementioned folks many of them had direct connections to the band and if I remembering correctly informed the stranger not to share any rare tracks publicly without the band's permission.

"Hey those are actually the lyrics to the rare track", "This guy must have actually heard the song" cried several members who had ventured near the upper crust of the surface where they gained strange and cryptic knowledge of such tales to tell.

In the end the stranger was actually telling the truth and did indeed have something precious and rare all along despite being derided by the masses.  The stranger while never himself shared the rare track with the masses, the lengthiness of such discussion on the forums did raise the attention of the band who  in order to quell the masses (and likely prevent the stranger from being lynched) played a version of the rare track at an upcoming concert which was subsequently bottle-legged prior to being released officially as b-side a short while later.

So happy endings for all.  As I sit back in my easy chair all these years later and reflect upon past events I do wonder though was any of the rudeness necessary?  Probably not but as I said it's one of the ugly truths of the internet.

Are we? sh*t goes down in this place constantly. Arguments always breaking out and members getting pissed at each other. We are all on the same side here, yet we are always at each other over the smallest things. This should be the one place where we can come and not need to be thick skinned.

OK, I just want to let everyone here know that I have the original 22 minute "Helter Skelter" jam and "Carnival of Light" on CD. And also recordings of "September In The Rain" and "Baby Let's Play House" and extended versions of "It's All Too Much" and "Dig It."  :p

You sharin'? ;)

If this CD is legit it just proves the point that the beach boys are the gift that keeps on giving

No, that's herpes...

I have a compilation CD that was done by Rhino for the re-release of  Brian's first LP with bonus tracks. It says "All selections are from rough sources only and in no way reflect the quality of the final product." So if he is faking, its pretty good. Mine is official product.

I can't go into details, track descriptions, blah blah blah. But I will say that after having heard a few samples IMO Klay has access to some unbooted and uncirculated material, at least from my perspective he does.

Well there you go...

I can only imagine how the folks at BRI and Capitol are dealing with this. Beach Boys boots that have been around for decades get pulled from eBay within a matter of hours, something revelatory like this must really get heads rolling.

Why do I imagine men in black suits showing up at OPs house with a brief case and an offer he "can't refuse"?

I hope all the negativity posters will now be eating they're words with a fork and spoon....

Cool!  As I said in my initial post expressing skepticism, starting off by saying the whole thing sounded like a crock of BS, I asked Klay a number of questions, then added "I'd absolutely love to discover that this is genuine, either as a bootleg, or less likely, an actual working CD intended for Capitol Records."  

So Klay, please check in here and let us know - does what you have look like a one-of-a-kind article, or does it appear to be a bootleg designed to look like a one-of-a-kind article?

Addressing DonnyL's concern about the lack of civility in this thread and on the board in general, in some cases I've gotta agree with him completely, especially with endless arguments and insults.  In rereading my initial post on this tread, I can see how some might take it as rude, but the intent of my post, expressing skepticism and asking Klay for numerous details, was to get him back here with more info.  If I were in possession of Klay's new find and a number of people expressed doubt, those posts would actually prompt me to come back with more posts to prove the legitimacy of my find.  

Back to DonnyL, please keep posting, because your posts, which make clear your expertise in and knowledge of recording media and equipment, have been some of the most interesting on this board.  And, for the record, I've never been in a back and forth argument with anyone on this board!  But I do see how my initial post in this thread could be interpreted as overly confrontational, and I do have a tendency at times to react skeptically this way in person, with a big smile on my face.  In those situations most people know to throw it right back to me, also with a big smile on their face, but in some cases this approach has backfired on me, and I end up apologizing.  So Klay and DonnyL and please keep on posting.  My apologizes if my posts upset either one of you.  And please stop being so damn sensitive!  Oops, sorry, lost my head!   :)

 .... You gotta catch a bootleg and you'll be sitting on top of the world!

The ability to keep hanging round in an environment filled with pointless bitchiness is not actually a badge of honor.

Or to put it another way:  Get social skiills, people!  Geez.

Cheers,
Jon Blum

It's unfortunate that if this were to strangely and mysteriously leak now, we'd all know who might've strangely and mysteriously leaked it.

Oh well, maybe Klay can give us some nice descriptions of the tracks?

:lol

I'm on the fence leaning to the negativity side. I'm with the "I'll believe it when I see it" contingent. I'm wondering what I'd do if I had this bootleg (if there really is one). Would I post on this board telling everyone I had it or would I e-mail/PM a select few? One way or the other, I would definitely have the gonads to answer questions about it after my initial posts. You gotta share the fun with other fans, that's all there is to it. That's what this board's about. Don't want people asking for more information or bugging you for copies? Then don't post about it in the first place.

Well said, Jon. I coulda said it better myself!  :)

Mikie, you know I love ya, but...

Klay DID post descriptions of the "'Til I Die" piano demo, the "This Whole World" long version, the Al version of "Love is a Woman," and a couple others.

If Jon Stebbins says that he's heard some of the material, and in his opinion it's legit, then I believe him.

I do have a theory though:
- Record shop gets printed up Capitol in-house CD-R set, stamped with all kind of legal warnings all over it.
- Instead of selling the original, which would in the words of Yngwie Malmsteem, "unleash the f**kin' fury" on the record store, employee burns copy, creates handwritten inserts (including a few ad libs here and there), and puts it out in the bins.

Which means that the original would be out there somewhere...

Lee
 

If that's the case, more copies will be burned - someone should check out that store  :)

I was thinking that, too. If it's a copy, it's bound to get replenished at some point. I would go check the store out myself, but it's about an hour and a half drive to get there.

Anybody else willing to go down and look? Maybe someone who works there will have some answers.

I already called them and offered to buy whatever they had, sight unseen. The guy on the phone, while really pleasant, had no memory of ever having those titles in stock. He even went and checked the stacks for me.

I think if there was some sort of shenanigans going on he would have reacted differently-- just the impression I received.

Personally I would have kept it on the down low, but I also don't go to zoos to dangle sirloin steaks in front of the lion cage either.

I know there's been cases during Record Store Day that rare and/or limited edition records have been put out there on the shelf. And when they're gone, they're gone, and very quickly unless there's one or two behind the counter unclaimed. I witnessed it first hand (on the same day) with the Good Vibrations 78 album and the autographed Jardine "Don't Fight The Sea" single on white vinyl. And I've been told that I just missed out on a Dennis Wilson POB on blue vinyl by one day and another Beach Boys boot from this store that I haven't heard about or seen since. So I know a one-of-a-kind boot in a record store is not out of the question. I don't get out to record stores much anymore, but I do know that legit record stores usually don't put boots out on the racks very often anymore. I know of at least four record stores that I use to get stuff from have since shut down. Why? Because they were selling bootlegs and got popped. I'm hoping that Klay's find has the origins of another "Get The Boot" release.  ;D  OK, OK, I'm suppose to be pessimistic here...

Lee, I love you too man, but........you're married.

 

I hereby declare myself officially confussed.  :old

What a daft reply. The guy takes the time and effort to join up on Smiley Smile, photograph the CD's, post them on here for all to see, but, oh, then he's not overly concerned with whatever reaction they inspire...? That's just plain odd. And I notice he's had the time to start up another thread, so hey, the guys online. It's a hoax, for whatever reason (just wanting to get noticed/a wind-up/etc.) and he ain't responding because he's been caught out and he just plain can't answer the questions that're being asked i.e. 'Oh, cool find! So what does (insert song here) sound like?'

His profile says he joined the Board in 2011. He is an infrequent poster if you have a look. Whatever the source of these songs, I sure was enjoying all the posts until it went a bit negative and Klay stopped posting. If it's a hoax, what a fun one. TID demo? Let's hoax it up some more.  ;D   I believe him myself but then again I seem to be wrong about something every day.

I am very much in agreement that Klay does not have the only copy outside of official sources. I think that it is not a question of "if" it gets leaked but rather "when" (and I do not mean by Klay). I personally hope that this material gets an official release and beats the bootlegers but with MIC just coming out last year, I have a feeling the we have gotten all that we are going to get for a little while (though I hope that I am proven wrong!).

Well then, I'm a believer.

Didya see her face ?

Is there a trace...

Of doubt in your mind ?

Pretty cool find aye.

Surprised no one has asked about alternate Til I Die lyrics, or is it just cause they're the 'positive' interpretation "it lifts me up...I'll find my way..." Etc etc?

While I'm not one of the lucky few to have heard this alternate "positive" version, I can only imagine how lucky we all are that the song wasn't released with these lyrics that would likely have bastardized Brian's vision for the song.

Yep.  I've not heard it either, only of it :)

Absence of files is absence of evidence in my book. This extraordinary claim of holding this material demands extraordinary evidence = some files containing sound from these sessions.

I cannot see how anyone else can take anything posted here as evidence.


Also, this is the internet, and because people are not speaking face-to-face it's impossible to discern what and how other people are communicating. Sometimes it might come across as crass but this can happen even between the best of friends without it being intentional. I haven't seen anything insulting written here, but apparently some here don't realise how the internet works/fails to work and that one can never take even explicit insults seriously from someone on some screen somewhere else and has never met you, nor probably will. You are in for a very upsetting experience if you think people will treat you on the internet like they would in real life. Never take sh*t written on the internet personally. Perhaps most people here are 30+ and never realised this, thus making (imo) nifty messages being equivalent to hate mail. Said people then go on to lament the 'good ol times' when the board was full of beach boys insiders. Perhaps all the insiders didn't understand to not take an internet post personally either...

This was the last place that I thought that fighting and cyber-bullying would take place. That we come here because we have a common bond, a love that draws us to this place. Turns out that I was dead wrong, as these types of boards breed this kind of behavior. I am guilty of it myself a time or two. But calling Clay out because he has something that we don't is just childish, jealous behavior. We all know there is unbooted material out there in the hands of a select few. Whether this is from Capitol or just a homemade CDR, that question really is moot. The music on it seems to be real. Be happy for the guy that he hit the mother-lode. If it was me and you were all calling me out on it, I'd tell you all to go f**k yourselves. There would never be a chance in hell that you would be included in verifying what I had in my possession. As for taking things personally, when a post is directed at you personally, then yes, it is personal. Remember too, Clay is not an insider, just one of us regular Joe's who walked into a store and had a very lucky, happy day and whose joy was possibly ruined by our crappy behavior over it.

Somehow I've missed the posts where people demanded that Clay should share the tracks or calling him a liar. Maybe the administrators erased them.

From Custom Machine: "Ya know what, Klay?  This sounds like a total crock of bullshit." and that is just one and it was the first sentence of the post.

From Jason Pennick: "The real mystery to me is why the people who discover these rare outtakes feel the need to come on here and crow about it to get us all salivating, only to go on about how they're not going to share it to anyone."

 :grouphug


C'mon, it's gonna be alright!

Jon Stebbins posted that he had heard excerpts, and believed them to be the real deal.  I would consider that to be third-party corroboration from a trusted individual -- unless the implication is that Jon is in collusion with Klay -- which would be a serious accusation.

Now if another expert (e.g. AGD) were to listen to the same snippets, and then come on here and offer an opinion to the contrary, well, we would be back to square one...

Lee

Believe me when I say I'm happy for anyone to hear more of the Beach Boys. People are quite keen to take part in that however (including myself) and while keeping in mind that none of us are entitled to anything, we would like him to share in his findings, especially if he took the effort to post pictures of his 'mother-lode' and describe them to us. Now for some that might bee upsetting in itself that he doens't share and it's perfectly fine for them to do so (within reasonable limits) and it's a free internet so they should be encouraged to post their opinions. You may not share them, but I don't see why that gives you the righteousness to shoot them down and make big complaints over the members of this board and their supposed destructive behaviour. I haven't even seen an angry message in this thread!  ::)

perfectly valid opinions! It could very easily be troll because some of these sessions are only rumoured or mythic in nature. no evidence has been presented apart from a tracklist any fanboy could draw up. having this gold nugget of songs is extraordinary and requires the extraordinary evidence, which was not provided.

people had bad experience when WIBNTLA  was leaked and the dude wanted rare collectables for 30 sec snippets in perhaps one of the most outrages incidents I ever saw. You cannot blame people from being weary of this happening again because that was quite understandably offpissing to at least some people.

even now I don't understand why one would post messages about the great find. what reaction is to be expected? Everyone to write 'great for you!' and smileys or is it more reasonable to expect people to say 'cool, is it possible you can share it now that you mentioned it?'

I never understand people reluctant to share this stuff..it's just music files like any other.

that sounds great! but why must a 'trusted individual' have to gain priority access to this stuff. It's out, why not share it? It's just painful reading about what music sounds like.

When it's your job potentially at stake, you'd understand.

I've been on the internet daily for just about twenty-five years now, since the days of Usenet and fetch, and BBSing for years before that.  Over those years I've been netstalked, cyberbullied, DDoSed, hacked, slandered to potential employers, my wife had a hate-site made about her (which got positively gynecological in its obsession), and we once had to help a friend through a court case when a net.nutburger started harassing her at her work.  I've shrugged off all kinds of flaming, trolling, sneering, whining, bitching, threatening, and general attempted cruelty.

The fact that I know how the internet works in *no* way makes me want to tolerate casual nastiness on it.  Kind of the reverse.  It is not the rest of the world's responsibility to grow a thicker skin; it's our responsibility to keep our own behavior civil.

Rant over.  Sorry for the seriousness, folks.

Regards,
Jon Blum

About what jason wrote... Well, it's a valid question. We know that, almost surely, that for example AGD and Jon Stebbins have in their possession unleaked tracks. But we also know that those were shared in confidence with them and if those started to circulate sh*t would fly on their heads. So no one here will start to whine and demand 'generosity' from them. At least in teh open, god knows what happens in PMs. LOL

Now, Clay stumbled at those CDs and has nothing to lose if he shares. I'M NOT IN ANY WAY DEMANDING THAT HE SHOULD SHARE. But well, that's a valid question. You come here and describe those tracks... Whay don't you share? he could answer 'well, I don't feel like doing it because no one ever shared squat with me'. Fine. There's an aswer.

About what custom machine wrote... Well, it did sound like BS. But he was not called a liar or a troll.

You are absolutely correct, and especially here. This should be the one place where you'd think we would be civil to one another. As with most everything that has come my way, being friendly and non-coercing is what included me in the circle of sharing. There is also that matter of trust that comes with time. Andrew has mentioned it hundreds of times, whether it is sharing information, music, whatever, being able to be trusted is how most people become included in the inner circles. Believe me, I know quite a few folks who have stopped sharing because of broken trusts. Though, I know that with most people it is just about ME-ME-ME!

He don't ah? I wouldn't share in here and make it known. People watch this place. He has plenty to lose if they go after him. Let me ask you, would you share with people who act like pricks? Whether something is bullshit or not, you don't say it like that. I would have been offended if asked like that. Also, one should never assume that they are going to be treated and the other party doesn't need to give a reason either. Clay asked for identification help and everyone started feeling entitled to what he had. If you have something like this, of course this is the place to come to find out exactly what you have. He did right by going to Jon and Jon only. He's one of the expert here, not all of us.

what if.... Capitol IS going to release those deluxe cds and either A) placed the cd with the bonus tracks in the store knowing that the fan base would talk about it and the word would get around as kind of free advertisement or B) maybe Klay works for Capitol and is hinting of things to come and he really DOES have the recordings or at least has heard them... just a thought.

You have an opinion and are sticking to it. You think veryone was a prick to Clay and he was right to split. Fine. I have a different opinion but we're starting to go in circles here.

I am fairly certain this is one of the many ideas floated at Capitol for a better catalog state of availability. SO......there are a few realities that are apparent to me...

1) The Brother Era albums are due for remastering and reissue
2) They would probably sell better with bonus tracks
3) Capitol has been attentive to trying to release tracks that are reputedly listenable and spoken about by collectors
4) The list of tracks Klay has found is the best of unissued Seventies material (I would add My Solution)
5) Why attack someone who has disclosed information being considered for the capitol Universal reissue program?

Indie record stores have always sold bootlegs. They have access to wholesalers and some are willing to take the risk to sell them. Since this was found with other bootlegs, chances are that's what it is. Which means there may be others out there, somewhere.

The only other possibility is since the store is in LA, maybe an industry person deliberately planted this to get people talking or to pressure Capitol to release the material. I can't see it being planted or sold to the record store by accident, if this is a unique item.

Whose job? The guy just found these discs at a record store. The two instances when this happened to me - when I outright found something and wasn't given it in confidence (thus no one losing their job etc.), I had the song(s) online for others to hear literally within minutes. I know links can't be posted here, nor requests made, but I don't think anyone's job is at risk over this.

It could result in action being taken against this board and then there would be no board. Not that anyone is making money off it, but it is one of the few Beach Boy forums left out there. The powers that be in BB land read this board and they don't like unauthorized material being circulated.

You never heard about the debacle over Get the Boot, did you? Let's just say it wasn't pretty.

No you and I have not gone in circles. I've barely discussed this with you. Not everyone was a prick, but enough were that I completely understand why he isn't commenting further here. So, now we know where each other stands. I surely hope that you don't ask for gifts like how it was done in here. I doubt you will ever get what you're looking for. Enough said from me on the subject.

Content question: why might "Burlesque" not be on the Surf's Up listing?

Oh, I never ask for gifts. When it's leaked, it's leaked, and I listen like everybody else. 

Thank you for your view. I agree with most of what you say and I personally don't try to troll or be rude to people, but if people are rude to me I just absorb it. There are so many trolls around and I consider it a waste of time and effort, a lot of negative energy in fact, to respond to them or even blink an eye.

If one does not have a tough skin while online then you are bound to be grieved. and the troll wins if you feed it with response online or even if you respond emotionally to it.

well, on the Beach Boys fan page they encourage people to catalogue their smile mixes and boots, simply because it was a centrepiece in keeping smile alive and allowing for enough demand so that they could release TSS, which sold quite well I heard. That project and that profit would never have been possible without the boots, yet people wanted the music in HQ, which Capitol could provide.

I would love to hear these alleged new tracks, and very willing to buy these albums if they contained new tracks.

Has anyone thought to e-mail CD Trader? Klay says it was in the Valley, so I assume CD Trader in Tarzana. Contact info here:

http://www.cdtradertarzana.com/id4.html

Or *gasp* they could actually open that elusive Beach Boys Central website!  :lol

They needed boots because some of the original recordings were stolen to make those boots. I doubt that too many people posted about what they had. I surely wouldn't if I owned copies of that stuff. But you? Be my guest. ;)

And all I ever seem find in my local music haunts these days are 15 used copies of the first Hootie & The Blowfish CD.


That is, nice score. Enjoy.

I wouldn't put myself in the category of "expert," but thanks to Jon ( :wave) I was able to listen to segments of several of these tracks over the phone.  Now granted the sound waves probably went from analog tape-to-24 bit Pro Tools digital file-to-16-bit WAV file-to-compressed MP3 file-to-computer speaker-to-telephone microphone-to-cellular digital-to-telephone speaker, but in my opinion the snippets I heard from these CDs are legit.  The tracks I listened to sound like all faders-up rough mixes of proposed bonus tracks for '70's album re-releases. My listening time was brief, but there were instrumental and vocal elements that I've never heard on any collector tape, boot CD, or acetate -- some of which were obviously meant to be left out of the final mixes (hence my comment about "all faders up").

Months ago a former Capitol marketing executive was supposedly getting rid of a bunch of promo CDs from her collection.  I speculated then that it might be how the Capitol in-house CD with "Wouldn't It Be Nice to Live Again" on it got leaked.  That could also be the case here.

I look forward to seeing how this plays out!

Lee

I'm pretty sure that it's unfortunately not in the vaults, if it was ever recorded in the first place.

While these proposed expanded editions are unlikely to ever see the light of day, it is always possible that some future archival CD projects ARE presently under development, but that this time, there will be no initial official announcement until all of the group members and estates sign on the dotted line to give their permissions. This way, the fans will not be put through a tense 26-month "Wall of Secrecy", like the one that built up during the negotiations for the "Made in California" boxed set.

We got plenty of Beach Boys archival material in recent years("The Smile Sessions" & "Made in California") and the "copyright extension" collection("The Big Beat 1963") was an unexpected bonus. If more archival Beach Boys releases appear, I'll buy them, but if they don't materialize, I won't be broken-hearted.

Well, verification by both Jon S. and Lee D. is definitely good enough for me!  My apologies to Klay for beginning my post of May 22 with "This sounds like a total crock of bullsh*t."  But I continued with, "That being said, I'd like to believe you've stumbled across something really cool," and ended with, "So do us all a favor, in addition to my requests above, send a few of the ultra-rare files to Lee Dempsey and Andrew Doe and let them report back to the board.  Or, at the very least, give 'em a call and play the songs over the phone."  

I hope Klay will repost in this thread and tell us more about his find.  For example, does it appear that the printing on the jewel case inserts is someone's original handwriting or was the original handwriting photocopied or scanned and reprinted?  Is it a CD-R or did someone go to the trouble of traditionally manufacturing a bunch of these?  What are the notations on the discs?  Don't know if Klay will answer these questions, but I'm asking them in trying to get a handle on whether this CD appears to be a bootleg or a one-of-a-kind (or maybe very few of a kind) item.

Lee Dempsey's earlier hypotheses that perhaps the record store has the original and had an employee burn a copy with handwritten notes, so they could keep the original and it didn't look like they were selling something direct from Capitol (with some potential distribution disclaimers on it) sounds very plausible.  Like he said, it will be interesting to see how this plays out.  And if the rare stuff on this CD set is all faders-up, then even if these tracks freely circulate, we'd still need to wait for an official release for proper mixes of these tracks.

Hey Doctor, with your advanced degree in Beachboyology did they ever teach you how to spell somebody's name correctly when using them as an example of poor form? There's this awesome feature on your computer you might not be aware of called copy and paste-- very effective in getting peoples' names right with a limited chance of error.

By the way, this poster you keep calling out seems to be named Klay, with a "K". Just FYI.

And lest you think I'm being a right asshole towards you right now, I'll deflect that back in your direction and ask you why you feel justified to partially quote me alongside someone accusing the OP of "a total crock of bullshit" when I never accused him of bullshitting us. From the start I was never really doubting what he had to say, and furthermore I'm guessing he's a pretty nice guy as are most Beach Boys fans. My only point, ever, in this thread, was to question the motivation of posting about the procurement of rare Beach Boys outtakes to a pride of hungry lions (of which I am admittedly one). I just think it could have been handled differently, but my objection was never meant to be framed as a personal insult to Klay who I'm sure is an all-around great guy.

If that's your idea of online abuse, then I invite you to check out YouTube sometime.

EDIT: I'm sorry; I feel bad for getting on you the way I did, but the point I'm trying to make is that it would be helpful if you could differentiate between online bullying and people raising rational points. It's upsetting to me to get lumped in with the trend of cyber-harassment, when all I'm trying to do is understand what his point was for raising this in a public forum. I can dig that maybe he was just trying to get feedback from fans on what exactly he had, so understand that I'd welcome him to post more, and it's not my goal to chase Klay away. Respect... sorry for any bad vibes.

Lee's word convinces me. Still perplexed by some of the wording on the tracklist which seems "in-house" but might indicate an illicit release. Which would be very naughty and reprehensible.

Look forward to a legit release. Like Phil says we've had a wealth of riches recently and I'm still working my way through those and discovering new exquisities. There's time yet.

Lee, the way you describe these mixes as "faders up" suggests there might never be a commercial release of them in these versions as they'll need mixing and mastering first, which makes this disc set pretty unique. I reckon it wouldn't be booted until after a commercial version, on the strength of that, so that it picks up sales as a companion listening experience.

What I've heard is confusing, at least to me (I'm easily confused): there are undoubted elements that cannot be anything but previously uncirculated/unbooted BB archive material. No question. But, I also hear digital artefacts, vocals that I cannot identify, instruments that sound sampled and what sounds more like an inept mashup than a period 16-track with all faders up. This is only my cracked notion, but it's almost as if someone has truly got 'new' archive material and, for reasons best known to themselves, decided to jazz it up in a home studio. I wish Boyd was available for comment, but that can wait, of course.

I'm not pointing a finger at Klay as the putative perpetrator (if indeed there be one, of course), please understand. He truly has something fascinating, something I'm sure BRI & Capitol would/will be most interested in talking to him about, but to these ears there's still something that doesn't ring 100% true. And, of course, those tracklists are still internally problematic.

Both the stereo mix of the single version of "Cotton Fields" and "R&R Music" on MiC are 'faders up' releases.  ;D

Beyond the possibility of precious unbooted stuff, or even the possibility of outfakery, I think the upgraded sound quality of certain material -- say, something like "Carry Me Home" -- might go a long way in helping to explain/confirm the validity of things. Even if they were just rough mixes. Any observations on that one (or others along that line)?  Maybe any of the folks who didn't just hear through a telephone?

Of course, I'd also be interested in knowing if the unedited version of WIBNTLA here matches the version on that other in-house CD fairly close? Both in "noodling" length or "all faders up" terms.

I'm thinking a quality needledrop of the old California Feelin' boot is a good enough source for "Carry Me Home" to where it would be hard to differentiate. On certain days mine sounds better than some of the CD reissues of Holland I've heard.

Look, y'all, in all honesty maybe we should take a collective step back here and stop drooling over these potential scraps. Like clearly everyones' mileage is going to vary here, but at some point we've sort of scraped the bottom of the barrel of these thirty plus years old recordings?

Surely this is an unpopular opinion, but maybe some of you heads might see where I'm coming from with this. There are other bands out there worth exploring who are putting out new music even today.

I'm curios about the "15 Big Ones mix" of "When Girls Get Together". Especially since the "original mix" is listed separately.

I guess it's all in the ears of the beholder then, because my own personal opinion of any of the circulating releases of "Carry Me Home" is that they're not what I would call master tape quality (assuming that these "new"rough mixes were indeed culled from something resembling actual master tapes or multitracks).

But, that's just me.

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No, I mean of course you're right. It's not master tape quality, but I think at some point we have to acknowledge we're able to hear it in something approximating the quality of a needle-drop. I will say I don't think I've ever heard "We Got Love" in its studio form any cleaner than I've heard "Carry Me Home", and that's supposedly been provided to me on direct vinyl transfers numerous times from actual copies of the Holland LP.

Not to mention the complaints that came from "master tape" quality stuff on the MIC set. People were bitching left and right about the added delay and effects on tracks like "You've Lost That Lovin' Feeling", "Sail Plane Song", etc. etc. Were those not "master tape quality"? I'm really not giving you a hard time either Dave because I was likely one of the ones doing the bitching at the time. But I hope you get my point here. I actually feel quite bad for Alan and Mark because I know they do their best and they have to deal with criticism just as soon as the product hits the streets. There is no win here for anyone except financially, and even that's debatable in terms of whether anyone is really making money off of Beach Boys reissues. I can't imagine they're selling lights out in this day and age of Spotify and downloads.

If anything, I view what the Beach Boys, BRI and Alan Boyd and company are doing as a gift to the fans. I would have no way of being privy to their accounting, but really the more I think of it I think we owe them all an extreme amount of gratitude, not just for what they've released, but for how cool they've been with the underground releases, such as Dennis's stuff, pre-POB reissue. They're not dumb, and they're aware of what goes on.

It's becoming apparent to me that we as a fanbase are never going to be satisfied. Take a good look around and you know that that's the case. I don't think it's quite this bad...yet... but I think the day is approaching when we'll see members fighting amongst each other here tooth and nail over one generation upgrades of the Country Love tapes. Joking, but only slightly..

I'm not trying to hold myself up as some kind of exemplar in this situation because god only knows I've been as greedy as anyone, but upon reflection, I really think the well has run dry, and that this is what my dad would have called an exercise in futility. There's too many other artists out there that keep putting out good music to keep trying to suck the last bit of nourishment out of this rapidly drying teat. And I say that as a Weezer fan-- compared to that fanbase, the Beach Boys fans are a world class example of civility and honor. Actually I really like Beach Boys fans for the most part, but that's neither here nor there...

If that second Smile-era movement of "Surf's Up" turns up with vocals, you'll know where to find me.

Well personally there's plenty more I'd like to hear, but the real question is how much of what's left does BRI consider fit for release?

My guess is these cd's are totally real and, very recent. It's been 13 years since the last Brother remasters, it's about time for an upgrade with added bonuses. My guess is they'll release stand-alone reissues of every album, with the remaining time filled up with bonustracks.

Hey just for the record man, I agree completely with you. Of course as fans we all want to hear those nuggets that are still chilling in the vaults. I guess I'd just like to say time out and say thank you to everybody involved for getting us what we have so far.

If you think about it-- between the 2fer bonus tracks, Endless Harmony, Hawthorne, POB reissue, Good Vibes box, MIC box and Smile Sessions-- we're really not suffering here.

I don't mean to be a stick in the mud because of course I'd love to hear every last scrap of tape I possibly can; but I'm just basically calling for a brief time out for appreciation for the people who brought all these great outtakes to us in the first place. Actually U.S. Memorial Day seems like the perfect time to do so.

Anyway carry on. Sorry to rant, and I didn't mean to slow your roll here at all, so I'll shut up. I was just trying to add some perspective to remind us what we've already been lucky enough to have been granted officially, and in nice quality I might add.

I love the smell of clarification in the morning!  ;D

The horror... the horror...  :old

Sorry, for misspelling your name and Klay's. I did use copy and paste to quote your post, though. Now, this would not have been brought up except that Dancing Bear said he hadn't read anywhere that we wanted Klay to share the tracks. Your points are fine. It is the way you worded it. You accused him of something that wasn't the case. He wanted verification, which he got from Jon. It wasn't flaunting, as you accused him of. I understood what he wanted just from reading his original post. Plus, I never expect anyone to share anything unless they offer first. We should never demand anything from anyone.

My thoughts exactly. This version of CMH is the earliest generation I've heard. Very clean, no way it's a needle drop IMO.

Geez, Jason. The Doc is a good guy, and like yourself, posts a lot of positive, productive stuff here. Maybe that was a little much....

Awwww, man, I can't believe that got out. I'm utterly mortified.

Amen. I keep buying the newly released stuff, the box sets, etc., and enjoy the sh*t out of them on occasion. But realistically there's not much on them--much less much to be expected on future, similar releases--that's better than the best non-BBs stuff out there (be it new music or other great bands, of which there is and was no shortage).

So feel free to correct me, but can I go out on a limb and predict a series of reissues of the Warner/Reprise/Caribou/Sony Beach Boys albums this year? And the aforementioned tracks at the beginning of the thread are candidates for bonus tracks to be included? If so, I can wait for the reissues. There's already been a Best-Of comp for 70's stuff. If it comes to pass, this will be the third release of these CD's. Personally, I would love to see re-mixes of the Steve Moffitt engineered tracks.

I only heard it the once, about a decade ago: as I recall it's about four and a half minutes long and consists of one long - maybe ninety seconds - banshee wail of "SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT !!!" followed by a short silence then maybe three minutes of a strange thumping noise, which I've been told was a head repeatedly hitting a desk. Personally, I'd leave it in the vault.

Would love to see this but, if it is to come about, I'd also like to see the proposed 14 SACD/vinyl releases scrapped (if they haven't already been… anyone heard anything?) to help clear the way for some decent sales. Since the 2001 two-fers, the re-release programme has become more and more hotchpotch and it would be great to see it rationalised and sensibly ordered.

Let the upcoming Led Zepp re-issues be a model if a model is needed. Each album, individually, with a "companion audio" disc.  In standard, deluxe, vinyl, and ultra-bloody expensive editions.

Honestly, I thought it was one of those Zeppo Wilson reels.

I still get residual headaches thinking about it.

Alan: Can you confirm that the legendary "Zeppo Reels" have a track labeled "Surf's Up part 4", which is actually a Presto home-recording acetate disc of his brother Chico drinking champagne while taking a bubble bath? They say he could be heard humming a few bars of a "new" melody as he's lighting up a cigar.   ;D

I'm not good at much - no really I'm not, stop saying "yes, you are Andrew !" - but I can think outside of the box and have moments of something desperately close to inspiration. Folk here are postulating that these tracks may form part of a future Brother-era reissue project. But - and to quote Despicable Me, "lightbulb !" - there's already been a Brother-era reissue program, back in 2000. Might this be connected to that ? If that's the case, asking Boyd is pointless as he had nothing to do with those discs.

No prob at all -- I get ya, Jason.

My point was simply that wholesale sonic upgrades of key tracks -- and there are other tracks here as well that I'd be interested in from that angle -- might be one really good indicator that this puppy is indeed the real deal. Even beyond the prospect of unbooted stuff or, heaven forbid, some kind of "outfakery" going on. And while, for example, something like the original vinyl boot of Landlocked might currently still be the best way to hear those original 1969-'70 Desper mixes (and it is, IMHO), I still like the prospect of obviously hearing those tracks right off the original masters. In those cases, I'd assume finished original mixes still exist in the "vault."

It's also interesting that Klay stresses that these sound like unmastered (read: probably flat) transfers. No goosed treble, etc. Even if some of the tracks are simply rough or reference mixes, they have intrinsic value to many with that alone.

Do I think I'll ever get to hear any of this particular curio in my lifetime? Probably not. Then again, who knows? I get the politics, discretion and sensitivity of something like this. BUT, I'm happy that a Beach Boys fan did, and I also always hold out hope that we will indeed see official releases of what remains of this material one day. In fact, if past history is an indicator, I'd say it's more a matter of when than if. I've been a BBs fan for 40 years now, and I know "never" is a word that simply doesn't exist within the context of this group.


PS - Just so I don't sound *too* noble, I'm still totally envious of those who have heard that rough, unedited, unmastered, noodling-to-its full-conclusion, all faders up mix of WIBNTLA. That's bucket list stuff for me.  :)

Aha !  Knew I'd read this in the thread somewhere. The discs themselves would seem to be at least ten years old (and to forestall the obvious question/objection, anyone here got any 10-year-old unused CDRs ? Thought not). So, maybe my mad musing isn't that mad after all. As Holmes once observed, once you have eliminated the impossible whatever remains, however unlikely, must be the truth.

 :lol

Thanks, Jon. That's the answer I was hoping for.

However it came to be, it's definitely another weird, wild and fascinating chapter in this band's history.

I do. Still believe you're right, though.

Carry on.

Seems to me there was a remastered series about 10 years after that, wasn't there? 70's releases, one on Caribou with the long box and one on Capitol with green labels. Unless I'm losing track of time. And asking Boyd about releases on this board are futile anyway. I always direct my questions to the general board. Whether it adds to the speculation or not.

I'm unaware of any 2010 remastering program.

Yeah, that's why I hope Klay will provide more info about the discs and packaging.  If he has original TDK CD-Rs from the late 90s to early 2000's, the discs will have the TDK logo on them, with a white printed background.  (Some later TDK CD-R's were silver, but I'm thinking those came only in a cakebox without jewel case inserts.)  Also, the recordable side of the white TDK's will be blue (or in some cases light green), but not silver, as is so common today.  

A 650mb/74min disc will be older than a 700mb/80min disc, although I'm not certain when that transition took place, perhaps sometime around 2000.  The side of the top jewel case insert (not the U-card on the bottom) with "Title" and 22 blank lines (the top one bold with 21 non-bold lines below) is in back and white, while the other side will most likely be in full color, with the TDK brand name, the capacity in MB and MIN, and probably the compatible recording speeds, for example "1x/2x/4x/6x/8x".

If Klay's discs match the above info it places them in the late 90s to early 2000's era, which, as Andrew points out, could match the period in which the Brother twofers were released.  And even if Klay's discs are copies, including the jewel case inserts, the front of those inserts on which the titles are written also match that era.

What if it's a professionally pressed silver CD set made in Asia? Do people really think this is a Willy Wonka Golden Ticket that just happened to turn up in a record store that sells other bootlegs? Could be, but maybe not. I'd like to hear from the buyer at the record store and the person who put it out on the floor. They'd have to think it was either junk or pure gold. I wonder what it sold for.

Now to the question on my mind, will we be lucky enough to get more reissues with some of these bonus tracks???

Sunflower and Surf's Up remasters. 2009 and 2012.

And again, the Warners/Caribou series of albums were released twice already on CD. Time for bonus tracks to go with the next re-issues.

Alan, I don't know how to tell you, but the Zeppo Wilson tape from the Help Me Little Honda sessions is now making the rounds. The one where Zeppo says, "Fellas, I have 2956 words for you. Quit screaming and stop singing when you fart......Brian, I am generous too, Let me give you some money...." Sorry to tell you this, but wanted to make you aware.

The oldest unused CD-Rs I have are from 2006. :-[

"Please Hurt My Older Brother!"'s image says the track is timed 3:42 - so you either misremember it as being 4 1/2 minutes long or it's been edited down. If so, I hope they release the unedited version. :-D

And dear Mr. Boyd, thank you very much for your contributions to our BB enjoyment! :)

Looks to me like they edited out the silence, for continuity. I can dig that.

I have a tower of 100 right now. As a matter of fact, I'm burning a Dennis Wilson comp today. It's for a friend who I want to hear Dennis' music - with my tracklist and sequencing of course. :police:

I emailed them directly to see if they had any other copies available and this is all I got in response:  "Sorry that was a rare one...."

Also, it would be nice if Klay would at least answer his PM's.

They could get a visit from BRI or their legal pals if they admitted to it, so not surprising.

Unlike the WOTS reference cd sold on EBay last year (the one with (WIBNT)LA) that was sold by the former Capitol exec,  I highly doubt that the "insider" that owned this first was the person that sold it to that store.  Having said that, I believe that another mere mortal has a copy of these songs aside from Klay and probably has had them for sometime.

Believe it, or no, I do, as well.  :p  Left-overs from printing up a CD my band had put together.

They deal in boots on a regular basis.  I doubt they are suddenly nervous about it.

If they kept a master copy and only put one or a few copies on the floor, and they are a source, then they may be nervous about that particular boot.  It's not like yet another Smile boot or a live recording boot. I'm not sure why they would put out something that valuable if it's one of a kind, if they didn't make a copy for themselves first. They can't be that unsophisticated if they sell other boots. If they truly didn't know what they had, they would think it was just some hand lettered piece of garbage. They had to have listened to the contents of it first and known that it was something of value to Beach Boys collectors, and not let the one copy get away without making a back-up.  Therefore, I would think BRI and the record labels involved could possibly want to know where it came from and if there are others, and might want to warn them never to sell it again.

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Thank you so much for this wonderful information Klay!!!
Some questions:
-How do you rate Hawaii Song as a piece of music? Would you say it should have been released back in the day?
-How do the When Girls Get Together mixes differ from what was released on KTSA?
-Is Sea Cruise any different to the released version on Ten Years Of Harmony?
-Is Marilyn Rovell a studio version, or the piano demo?
-Do you get the impression that most of the Love You mixes presented are the early versions as Brian left them behind for Carl to finish and remix?
-What's the Trader like? It seems so short. Does that work? Is it just a different mix or a demo?
-Can you tell us more about Happy Birthday Brian?
-How is the sound quality on Awake, compared to the bootleg version?

 :ahh

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A search on the internet learns that Quadim Mastering Studios probably no longer exist. The url does no longer work, there is no social media for the studio etc. The cds are probably not very new!

Plus they had an AOL email address.  Indeed...probably very old.

My 2 cents. This would support the fact that these were made in the 90's. Or maybe I'm way off base:

Back in the 90's, it was not as easy as now to burn a CDR, and it cost much more money. At this time, there were mastering companies that did these CDR's. Later, it was easier for the record company to edit promo CDR's than original CD's.

When mastering to CD, the Recordable CD (CDR) is used in a similar way to acetates, with the sound being checked from a CDR. In the early days of the CD some record dealers and collectibles shops sold these CDRs for a very high prices and referred to then as "CD Acetates". The ease with which they are now forged has killed the market for rare CDRs and the term CD Acetate is no longer widely used. These CD's were called "CDR acetate" as they have the same use as the vinyl Acetate.

Just a thought. I believe this company, Quadim Mastering Studios, is no longer in business or has consolidated with another company.

Klay, Thanks so much for posting photos and more info.  Seeing as how the U-cards and CD labels are typeset and you say the track lists appear to be print-outs, coupled with the Quadim CD Mastering Replication notation, this would appear to be a Capitol in-house production made for consideration during the preparation of the 2000 Brother two-fer reissues.  The Quadim CD Mastering Replication would seem to indicate that these are factory pressed CDs, rather than CD-R's.  And, all this info taken together indicates that more than just a few copies were pressed.

As far as the handwritten printing on the TDK late nineties thru early 2000's CD-R inserts is concerned, it would appear that whomever did the handwritten notations simply grabbed a few of those blanks to use, although it does seem a little odd that they didn't bother to typeset that info when Quadim replicated the CDs.

Congratulations on a really cool find!  Looking forward to more info as you have time to post.

It's much simpler than that.  Quadim was a probably a dub house.  Much as I did in my business producing promotional video for Fox and Disney, almost every producer has a dub house they use to archive (and dub from) masters of even their most insignificant projects.  Handwritten notes are often included with what you call "typeset" info.  Most likely, Quadim's job was to dub (including handwritten notes) the project and messenger to whomever the producer instructed them to.  This was probably sent to somebody for review/approval/whatever in the late 90's and that person sold it when he found it in his crap heap recently.

Job, when I worked for Symantec (Norton anti-virus/utilities) back in the 90's, my department generated two masters with the files on CD in-house then forwarded one to an outside contractor (or dub house if you will). That was normal procedure back in those days to have a separate dub/duplicating house for the recording industry and software companies. Agree with the rest of your post too. I think you're on the money about Quadim Mastering.

The thing I find curious about these being associated with the 2000 reissue program is the vinyl-only options. I feel like the vinyl resurgence didn't really start until later:

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Strategically, it seems like offering a vinyl-only track for each release points to something more recent, as labels are now getting more into vinyl due to lost sales from online streaming/pirating, etc.

Maybe these date from around 2007-8 or something. Just a guess. "Quadim" might have possibly been using older overstock inserts or something.

That said, everything else points to late '90s. If this is the case, they decided to go with the twofers instead.

Time for a Brother Rarities comp. I think the well has run dry for the '60s stuff, and I feel like the choices for MIC were kind of curious. The Beach Boys '70s stuff seems to have reached a new level of acclaim in recent years as well. I mean, these records are 40 years old now.

  Exactly my thoughts!  I really hope these tracks see the light of day soon!

Just to refresh memories, the 2000 Brother/Reprise reissue programs original configuration was going to be single CDs w/bonus tracks, not the 2fers we got.

...and that for some reason makes me feel shafted as a fan. When I look at the superb bonus cuts which would have supplemented the single albums, I find whoever decided AGAINST such a concept to be somewhat short sighted. Then again the BB world seems to be replete with dumb ass decision making which makes bunts instead of grand slams for the most part. Just my 2 cents and with an old motto of BBA as modified by AGD many moons ago "Without Fear or Favour, nor any great regards to accuracy either!"

The decision was Capitol's... and the alternative to the 2fers was nothing.

The problem is this:  What we consider a grand slam doesn't sell as much as a 4,000th greatest hits package.  We are a niche market.

Considering they never bothered to either release nor properly market such a niche album reissue product, they cant exactly make comparisons. Hawthorne was a rarities package, not an established album with bonus tracks. Heck, if Sandman by Harry Nilsson can warrant such effort, so can Holland. IMHO of course.

Then again, a website where one could download such extras wouldn't be a bad idea...imagine a central location for all Beach Boys material. The mind boggles.

I emailed CD trader and offered them $1000 for another one. Their response: "it was a random cd from somebody's random collection".
And yes, the $1000 was a serious offer. And yes, I have a problem!

Speaking of 'Hawthorne, CA' -- it seems curious that this group of tracks would have been prepared prior to the 2000 reissue program, yet nothing from here would wind up on this comp. Was the 'Brother Rarities' set still on the table in 2001 ?

Then again, this is the Beach Boys we're talking about. I just don't understand the preference for 'vocals only' and 'track only' mixes getting the nod over complete alternate versions.

Apparently the "Brother Rarities" set was just a name and not much of anything beyond that.

I wonder if discs exist for the other Brother-era albums....

Maybe they were gonna do twofers for MIU/LA and Summer/BB85.

Quoting this article from a 1997 issue of Variety magazine:  

>>Gaetano (Guy) Costa, veteran recording engineer and nephew of Frank Sinatra arranger Don Costa, died Feb. 11 at his home in Westlake Village of pancreatic cancer. He was 54.
 
In the 1970s, Costa worked with Motown Records and the Gordy company as VP of operations and VP-managing director of the studios.
 
From 1987-88, he served as president of Society of Professional Audio Recording Services (SPARS), and in 1988 he founded Quadim, a real-time tape duplication and CD mastering company.
 
His final project was mastering Lionel Richie’s “Louder Than Words.”  <<

The space of :
Quadim Corporation
5356 Sterling Center Drive
Westlake Village, CA 91361
Tel: (818) 706-8843  ( No longer in service)

Has been occupied for the last twelve (12) years by :
ILIO ENTERTAINMENTS
5356 Sterling Center Dr, Westlake Village, CA - 91361 - 9136
(818) 707-7222

 

Isn't it crazy that these discs might be from the late 90s and here we are after all these years, still awaiting the release of these goodies?

It's amazing they didn't get wiped by CD rot.  I've had that happen to a few CD's, both legit and boots.

Not really. We've already gotten the cream of the crop of unreleased/alternate takes/instrumental tracks/vocals-only/stereo bonus cuts released on the Capitol 2-fers, 10 Years of Harmony set, Good Vibrations box, a couple of Greatest Hits comps, Endless Harmony CD, Hawthorne CD set, Made In California set, Pet Sounds box, and Smile Sessions set/box. I stop short of saying the rest of the stuff left is scrapping the barrel, but with exception to a few items (noted above) I think we've already heard the best of what's left in the vault.

There's a few 70's other things of course that have been booted that I'd like to see cleaned up for a formal release: Carry Me Home, I've Got a Friend, Big Sur 4/4, Rollin' Up To Heaven, Battle Hymn Of The Republic, Hard Times, etc. And while I'm at it, a 2-3 CD Live box set.

I thinks its funny/cute/telling that Brian calls Mike "Mike Love". This dude has been his cousin his entire life but even this pretty private situation he calls him "Mike Love". Very Brian.

But yeah, anyways, it seems to me that maybe originally the "Fairy Tale" was gonna be a lot more than it ended up being. I think I remember hearing that Brian really wanted "Funky Pretty" and the fairy tale to be the core of the new Beach Boys album. Anybody remember if that has any validity? Anyways, it seems like maybe "A Casual Look" was actually part of the fairy tale and not just a random thing Brian started playing. Interesting.

Also, klay, if you know, how informal is this whole thing? Is Brian singing "on mic"? About how long is part with "A Casual Look"? I'd love to hear this at some point.

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Klay, can you describe the alt version of "4th of July"? Vocals other than Carl? How does the "original mix" differ from the released version?

Also has Al singing Brian's lead vocal parts.

Klay, apologises for being one of the doubters. I said that unless we hear details re the tracks than I'm going to assume it's a hoax and, well, here you are with details... Guess I need a little more faith in humanity!

Anyway, any chance you could blackmail the recording companies into releasing this stuff??  >:D

A "Legacy Editon" 15 Big Ones with an additional disc of alternate (Ie: better) mixes, and outtakes, live tracks ala the Forever Changes Legacy set would be fab!

How do you think it stacks up against the released version?

Also, could we please get a description of the guitar intro on Johnny Carson?

You rock, Klay   :beer - enjoy your find and thanks for sharing your impressions of the tracks!

How much did you pay for this? Record store must be pissed if they now have people offering 1K

How clean is the "Carry me Home" mix in comparison to the boots? I presume we are talking first generation here if this is coming directly from Capitol?

A pro mix of Awake demo?  Sounds awesome, hope it is released!

A track listing was proposed - double CD - before the 2fers, and would have included the Fairy Tale, making CATP/Holland[/b] a single CD. I was asked, doubtless along with several others, and said it should be where it belongs. Seemed I wasn't alone.

My version, and every one I've ever heard, since the early 80s, has a triple tracked vocal. Maybe they mixed one out.

:bow Thanks be to L'AGD, and the several others, for providing such advice to the suits on high - I've always thought it a total deal that CATP/Holland got a 2 CD outing.

Except for the tedious sh*t Klay copped early in the piece, this has turned out to be a pretty fascinating thread, with interesting insight into the Capitol machine and what can happen between concept to shop shelf - especially for this post 60's gear, which nearly didn't get the green light - imagine that  :o

It can't possibly be any worse.

The cleanest I've ever heard by miles.

Wow...well hopefully someday I will hear it. I thought maybe the reason for not releasing that was cos they couldn't find the tapes or something...guess not

Yeah I believe Carry Me Home is at the top of many people's list of songs that need to be released officially now that we have CF demo and WIBNTLA.

Probably the subject matter, but still..."we must be brave," as Van Dyke Parks once said to an indecisive Brian Wilson. It's a gem of a tune.

Having heard the "Fourth of July" alt. version over the phone (thanks again Jon), with a reference guitar lead line and what sounds like a full set of backing vocals, it makes me wonder if a "best of both worlds" mix could be created that combines Carl's doubled lead from the GV boxed set version, and the backing vocals off this tape.

The lead guitar line also reminds me of a hypothesis I once had: that one of Brian's "secrets" was to have an instrument double the lead vocal line but have it mixed way in the background to the point of being imperceptible, in order to create a fuller vocal sound -- in the days before Melodyne and Auto-Tune.

Lee

I need to leave this thread. It's making me feel anxious. I don't like to needlessly waste away in anxiety for nothing. :lol

If you're to waste away, better to be in Margaritaville

Man I would love to hear these tracks.

When you guys mention 15 Big Ones and Love You, I can't help but to think all those songs could have sounded much better with a different mix - the versions Klay has should all be an improvement to my ears, LOL.  :lol

Til i  Die i think is the one I'm most interested in, followed by This Whole World, and Fairy Tale.

It may have been asked before, but are the Love You versions here the same as the early mixes on the Brian Loves You boot?

How does Brian's voice sound in the "A Casual Look" home recording? What kind of shape is it in? Is it "clean", as in the pre 1974 recordings? Or does it show the damage evident on the 15 Big Ones album?

this is unfair Capitol... just post the songs on Itunes and let the hardcores buy the sh*t up. No costly cd production needed.

I'd love to have a decent sounding Carry Me Home. It's definitely at the top of the list of unreleased stuff for me.

In an interview here: http://www.rockcellarmagazine.com/2013/09/04/made-in-california-producers-alan-boyd-dennis-wolfe-mark-linett-beach-boys-interview/#sthash.T59PbmPm.dpbs
... Alan Boyd explains why it was left off MIC...

So what's the difference with Dennis being dead vs the Carl Wilson coda?  Both are dead, it's sad they are but "Carry Me Home" is an epic song and a historic part of BB history.

I'm still hoping a clean live recording of I've Got A Friend shows up one day as well.

Although these reissues are not connected with any current project, are reissues being planned (other than the SACDs)? 

Alan Boyd: "We also felt a little uncomfortable with the idea of at this point in time of Dennis singing (recites lyrics), “Please God don’t let me die“.

What, 30 years after his death?? If not now - when?

I personally strongly suspect that it's the 'The Beach Boys should be fun fun fun' camp who keep blocking Carry Me Home's release. Tragic. The song is staggering.

That wouldn`t be Mike you`re referring to would it?

Obviously he tried to block all of Dennis`s material from MiC so it sounds reasonable.  ::)

The impression I got from reading the pre-MIC press was that Mike was actually among the most vocal of the band members in pushing for more Dennis stuff on the box.

Yes, with due respect to Alan Boyd (whose efforts I appreciate), I can't quite get on board with his objections to this track.  "...plus the fact that the song has been circulating for 25 years factored into our decision to leave it off" also sticks in the craw a little when we're talking about a box set that also contains the mono single mix of "Good Vibrations".

Perhaps never?  Perhaps as it should be?

Look there is precedent that can be cited for both sides of this argument.  Andy Gibb for example recorded a song of which I can't recall the title at this moment shortly before his death which included the lyrics "I'm too young to die" or something to that nature and that sat unreleased for many years before The Bee Gees decided to put it out on a box set around a decade or so ago.

But there is also precedent in terms of keeping unreleased songs vaulted which have lyrics that when looked at in retrospect either have ominous undertones or cast the songwriter in a light which those who have been entrusted to protect his legacy aren't comfortable having him cast in.  When it comes to retrospective or archival releases, the general idea is almost universally to pay the artist's legacy tribute and to present it to the public (including those who might be unfamiliar with the artist) in a positive way.  I completely understand Boyd's reservations about releasing a song that seemed to predict Dennis Wilson's tragic fate.  It's ironic because for years one of the lines we were handed as a fanbase regarding the non-appearance/release of "SMiLE" was that it was not appropriate music to release to the public.  In some cases this is actually true and this Dennis Wilson rarity no matter how staggering it may be, seems to fall under that category.

One thing seems certain to me... if "Never Learn Not to Love" had been recorded, intended for release, but not yet released before the Manson murders happened, I don't think it would ever see the light of official release, even on MIC, regardless of it being fully realized, and one of Denny's very best, IMO.

It sucks, but we are in fact lucky to have what we have with this band and its politics. That said, I'm dying to hear all of these new tracks! If Capitol is smart, they'll put all of these out soon in some capacity for consumers to purchase in some fashion.

At least there's "The Big Beat 1972" to look forward to.

You just won the thread. Only eight more years to go!  :lol

I think when Alan used the word "We" in the sentence he meant Brian.

Yes, it's spooky how Dennis wrote a song about a soldier dying, only to tragically die himself in a drowning accident.

Perhaps when Brian dies we'll realise how he amazingly predicted this in Til I Die

Perception is your word of the day my friend.

that's what I was going to say something akin to this..
Alan: Brian here's a song by Dennis that should be on the MIC set, check it out..(puts the song on)
Brian:no way man!! this song is freaking me out!! the lyrics are too disturbing for me to deal with.. I don't want this song to ever see light of day, tell everyone that you burnt the tapes...

I know right, how sick must they have been to put that one on the box

How Yoko must've agonized when she included "Living On Borrowed Time" on Milk and Honey 4 loooooong years after John's death... oh and Grow Old With Me...


Oh and her album released a year after John's murder featuring his blood stained glasses prominently displayed on the album cover.

30 years later and we still can't release "Carry Me Home"?

*facepalm*

No, my word of the day is bollocks. ;D

Dennis didn't die from bullet wounds in the Vietnam war so the song really has no bearing on his own death. If he had sung a song about drowning I could understand the resistance to putting it out.

Yeah well in candy striped Beach Boys reality the sun shines perpetually out of their collective backsides, so a song about a Vietnam vet dying, written during that stinking war is just not kosher. Deal with it. Oh and fun fun fun and all that.

Dennis getting shot in Vietnam may not have any bearing, but the quaver in his voice as he sings "I, I don't want to die", that sure as hell does.  It's the emotion in the song that freaks people the hell out, because it sounds too damn real -- something which isn't the case in the Lennon examples, which are at most ironic or sad.

When my wife heard "Carry Me Home" on a Dennis CD I'd burnt...  She wasn't really paying attention to the lyrics in the first half, but when that bit hit, she was just gaping.  She was sure this was one of Dennis' last songs, and somehow he knew.

Much as I'd love to see it released, I can entirely understand why Brian or the others wouldn't want to let those kinds of bad vibrations out into the world...

Cheers,
Jon Blum

I think "we" meant the compilers of MIC; Boyd, Wolfe, Linett, and maybe Mike Love.

Dennis was doomed, in retrospect. And died by misadventure due to his years-long habits. Whereas John had something shocking happen to him at the hand of another. Plus, let's face it, Yoko is Yoko.  She's not into always doing the most respectful thing. She also had some anger about how her husband was killed, understandably. Whereas a guy like Brian is very sensitive, polite, and I'm sure what happened to his brother just makes him too sad.

If I'd meant Mike, I'd have said Mike.

It wasn't one of Dennis' last songs. It was recorded in '73 - a decade before he died.

I just can't imagine any other band having such an obviously fantastic song - with so much power and emotion - and letting it languish in the vaults. It was one of Dennis' finest hours - the respectful thing to do in terms of his songwriting legacy would be to release it so people can choose whether or not they want to hear to it.

Alan Boyd's assertion that because it'd been on bootlegs for years it wasn't worth including on MIC is, quite frankly, utter guff. You could say the same for Back Home (both versions), Guess I'm Dumb, Mona Kani, Had To Phone Ya (backing track), and so on - yet all of 'em were on MIC.

I think Brian objecting to it is the most likely reason for it's exclusion, which is understandable (I'm assuming one of the few genuine passages in the WIBN autobiography is when Brian talks about how much Dennis' death affected him).

Hey, I just hope that when Brian dies we won't see Til I Die pulled from distribution because, you know, well now that he's dead we don't wanna be hearing a song in which he talks about dying, regardless of the songs quality... 

I personally find Don Giovanni too painful to listen to. The frightenibg passage at the end when the Don descends to hell seems to directly predict Mozarts death of a probable kidney infection less than a decade later. I also find Shakespeare's tragedies too, well.....tragic to watch seeing as how he died an' all.....

What are the chances of someone exploring the concept of death, actually dying ?

I understand what people are saying. Its the way he sings it. To me it's beautiful and powerful, but predictive? I think not.

If Brian, or any family member resisted its release that's fine, but personally I think art should be challenging, not safe and cosy.

This reminds me of the crap Mike Eder used to write about Love You. Along the lines of because it's by someone who is obviously ill, it makes for uncomfortable listening.

I agree with everybody wanting to hear an excellent quality version of Carry Me Home. I also get the silliness of not wanting to release a song about death, especially after the group recorded and released a song like Till I Die. But we all seem to be forgetting one important thing that is key to why this song hasn't been released yet. Brian is the only Wilson left, and Carry Me Home is a song about death that is sung by his brother who is now gone. It hurts Brian to hear his brother's voice, singing lyrics like "Life was meant to live, and I, I'm afraid to die" and "Please God, please God, don't take my life". It doesn't matter if Dennis died thirty years ago, or fifty. The pain of a loved one's death never goes away.

Looking at those track listings I would far rather have had this released than MiC.
Deluxe versions of Sunflower, Surf's Up and Holland are needed!

It's interesting that these disc's surfaced after the Made In California box set was released. I wonder if these cd's were reviewed once again during the compiling of the MIC set?

Surely a bit more searching of this AOL address would've lead us further down the rabbit hole:

http://www.singmastering.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/musicconnectionSINGMastering.pdf
http://www.dnamastering.com
http://www.allmusic.com/artist/david-donnelly-mn0001638277
http://www.indiepromix.com/mastering.html
http://studiocity.patch.com/listings/dna-mastering

I may have gone a bit overboard... :)

Maybe they should cleanse 20/20 of the Manson connections, that's really difficult to listen to knowing what Chuck was involved in behind the scenes.

Obviously it's because the sentiment of not wanting to die is unique to Dennis. Right?

Ummmmm right?  :-\

Aren't the lyrics to WIBNTLA similarly troublesome anyway?

You have no idea how utterly wrong you are in this respect. ;D

Has anybody tried checking out their local record shops in the SoCal area?  I do wonder if other copies of this are floating around out there...   ;)     

This really seems like a one-off freak thing, where these copies came from one person's collection. Reallllllllllllllllllllly doubt anyone else finds this same set somewhere else.

Knowing the truth doesn't seem to make a difference. Mike is always the culprit when we don't agree with band decisions.

These discs getting out reminds me of when a BB collector was selling a bunch of promo stuff from the 80's & 90's Capitol stuff. He was just selling stuff he got by working for Cap. I got some great stuff (photo wise etc) for almost no money. He just wanted to dump it. Sounds like the same here. Back in 1979, a CBS rep came up to me at the radio station I was working at. You want this advance copy of Americathon I have? Sure. When he came back to give it to me, he handed me 5 promo copies of LA as well. Just depends who it is working as the promo guy. The good thing for me about the BB not getting radio play in the 1980s? Whenever BB stuff came into the station? Take this home with you. We aren't going to play it :).

A good friend of mine was talking with a rep from Cap in 2001. Told this rep he liked the BB. Rep said just a minute. Came back wiht promo's of all the Brother and Capitol 2 fers. Here you go!

Yeah, and it's got to very boring. We're better than that here.

Yes, I have as I was being sarcastic...

Too late. Everyone thinks you're a Mike hater now.

Everyone.

*I* know that.  *She*, as a listener just hearing the song, didn't know that.  And that's why it practically knocked her over...

Cheers,
Jon Blum

I'd assumed your sarcasm was obvious and the reference was to my original post. As I've posted since: If I'd meant Mike, I'd have said Mike.

You've got a recording of *Mozart* singing Don Giovanni?  His own voice?  And making his words sound as harrowing as Dennis' own voice does?  Screw all the other PMs, I want a copy of *that*!

Cheers,
Jon Blum

Sarcasm has no place on this forum: aside from anything else, a horrifyingly high percentage of posters don't understand the concept.   ;D

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Had certain ancient civilations not fallen, I'm thinking Greek here, then we may have had recorded sound earlier than we did. Then we may well have had that recording of Mozart.

Of course, had the ancient Greek empire not fallen, then the sociological factors which enabled Mozart to achieve his potential may not have existed anyway, thus rendering this point moot.

As always, I blame the Persians.

Now this looks like a Fox News comment thread. "Blame the Persians"?!

"Bomb Bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran"

!!!!!

I laughed out loud when I read this. So true, judging from some of the bizarre arguments posters manage to get themselves into... 

Indeed I do!

That's why God made the smileys! :wink

So has anybody heard any of the stuff yet, except for Jon?

Yes( That's obvious)

Other than the stuff that has been floating around for years, I don't think so.
I still believe (or maybe hope is the better word) that there are reissues on the horizon (other than the SACDs) that are unrelated to this.

Most exciting topic on this board and it fizzles out?

 ???

I'm still curious to find out more about Johnny Carson's guitar into. Is it long/short, accompanied/unaccompanied, simple/complex, fitting/unfitting? You can hear someone counting to "four" on the released version, does this extended intro result in hearing the entire count-in?

no one is divulging content, so interest can only be sustained.

This is just how Smile died. Then we finally hearthe hyped Johnny Carson guitar intro only to discover that it's the Gettin Hungry riff  ;D

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Thank you for the information, Klay. There is a vocals only mix of "Let Us Go On This Way" somewhere (maybe on All This Is That?) and a piano demo of "Airplane" so really it is possible to make an alternate album of Love You.

Oh man though, the drums and synth make Let Us Go On This Way.

After hearing more from Klay about what is actually on these CDs, this is all already OUT THERE  ;). Thanks Klay!

If only everyone lived in your alternate universe

I should have said ALMOST all out there.

Alot of it is on the DA Rarities/ODEON Landlocked/Get The Boot/All This Is That/Alternate Love You (Brian Loves You).

But I am sure no where near the quality of these discs.

Oh man though, the drums and synth make Let Us Go On This Way painful to listen to for me..

I think that, should the pre-Carl remix/sweetening version of Brian Loves You ever be released, a lot of folk would be considerably disappointed at how... rough and unpolished it sounds. This may be a mild overstatement, but IMHYUEO what Carl did was to make it releasable.

What is "11th Bar Blues"?

This ran in my nationally syndicated feed this morning. . .

BEACH BOYS OUTTAKES CONFOUND HARDCORE FAN COMMUNITY
by Howie Edelson

Beach Boys fans are alternately thrilled and frustrated by a single copy of a three-disc test pressing of unreleased rarities and outtakes, which has suddenly surfaced. The collection, labeled Brother Re-Issues: Proposed Bonus Tracks, features a total of 56 tracks, including some widely bootlegged material in outstanding quality and others, which have never been documented before. The collection has been analyzed in depth by the Beach Boys’ connoisseur message board SmileySmile.net, with the buyer of the set, named ”Klay,” posting tidbits about his random prized find snapped up at a Southern California record store. The common consensus is that these were cuts that were passed around in-house at Capitol Records when the band's '70s catalogue -- known as the "Brother Years" after the band's boutique label and management company -- was being prepped for reissue in 2000. The albums were originally intended to be issued with a healthy dose of bonus tracks, but in the end were instead paired as "two-fers" with other albums in the catalogue.

Beach Boys author and historian Jon Stebbins has heard some of the tracks and remains floored by both quality and rarity of the material featured within: "Coming on the heels of the (recent) Made In California box, y’know, you kind of feel like, ‘Wow, we’ve gotten the best of the unreleased stuff.’ There’s just such wealth of great unreleased material on that box set that you figure anything else is really gonna be really scraping the bottom (laughs) and then all of a sudden these discs, from, I guess they probably source from, y’know, the late-‘90s, or something, when they were put together for consideration. Y’know, you find out there’s all this other amazing stuff on it, that is equal to the best unreleased things that are out there.”

During the demo for Brian Wilson's "Mt. Vernon And Fairway" -- which was released as part of the Beach Boys' 1973 Holland collection and inspired by cousin Mike Love's Inglewood, California family home -- Brian can be heard with brother Carl Wilson imitating their uncle Milton Love, calling for Love's younger brother -- and future pro-basketball player -- Stanley Love. Interestingly, Wilson had envisioned Mike Love performing the Six Teens' 1956 hit "A Casual Look" as part of the "Fairy Tale." Wilson later produced a version of Love leading the Beach Boys through the song on their 1976 15 Big Ones collection.

Stebbins feels that this newly unearthed demo proves that the officially released "Fairy Tale" ultimately represents a pulled creative punch by Wilson: “It makes more sense that way. His concept for the ‘Fairy Tale’ was way more expansive than what we got. And I think, y’know, basically, they weren’t into going back down the rabbit hole with Brian (laughs), y’know? Where. . . wherever that was gonna lead. He had an expansive concept for that. But, yeah, to have ‘A Casual Look’ in there would’ve been amazing.”

Although Brian Wilson has always been revered for the work he produced for the Beach Boys in the 1960's, frequent collaborator Mike Love told us that Wilson's music from the next decade has been unfairly overlooked over the years: "Y'know, I think Brian, when he was doing the Smile sessions and stuff, he was very dynamic. Then something happened where he shelved that for many years, until more recently. But see, the days of those -- When I called Brian 'The Stalin of the studio,' that was when we were coming out with all of those hit singles, one after another during the '60s. Then it changed. Brian's attitude and level of engagement changed. But there are some great songs that came out during, y'know, the '70s."

A substantial part of the Brother Re-Issues discs focuses on Brian Wilson’s 1976 and 1977 sessions for his two “comeback” albums as the sole producer of the Beach Boys -- 15 Big Ones and The Beach Boys Love You. We asked Wilson if he felt more or less freedom during the Love You sessions than previous albums, with Love You basically featuring him playing the majority of the instruments on his own: “Morefreedom. Very much more freedom. Yeah, a lot more freedom. Because we had. . .  we gave ourselves, like 10, 12 hours a day booked time, y’know? And we took our time and we weren’t in any big rush to go anywhere, so we just took our time and recorded Love You.”

Beach Boys co-founder Al Jardine says that he's still amazed at the depth and beauty of Dennis Wilson's compositions from the 1970's: "Oh, he was the most underrated member of the band in those terms. His compositions, I think, were stronger, and they got stronger and stronger as we went along -- as he went along -- until obviously he couldn't go any further. And I just think that given time, y'know, he would've been the. . . probably the best composer in the band, outside of Brian, of course. Yeah, he just had that natural, intuitive instinct about music and lyrics. He always. . . he was the kind of guy who could get to the point without beating around the bush and, y'know, could just nail it."

Highlights on The Beach Boys' Brother Re-Issues: Proposed Bonus Tracks are:

“This Whole World” -- An alternate version of Brian Wilson's 1970 Sunflower tour-de-force, which features Mike Love taking the opening line, and a double -- and sometimes triple-tracked -- Carl Wilson vocal. Brian Wilson is featured on the bridge, with Dennis Wilson adding a vocal to Carl’s in the second verse. The gospel vocal fade includes a discarded drum break, which leads into a longer instrumental portion, which is reminiscent of Paul McCartney’s work the following year on Ram.
     
“4th Of July” -- Dennis Wilson's majestic backing track to his tune originally intended for 1971’s Surf’s Up collection, yet not released until 1993. The version featured here includes a six-string bass playing the song's melody note-for-note.
     
“Clangin’” -- A brief scaled back snippet of a group vocal that eventually morphed into 1977’s “Ding Dang” from The Beach Boys Love You.
     
“Ol’ Movie” -- An early version of Dennis Wilson’s 1972 Carl & The Passions - So Tough closer, “Cuddle Up,” featuring multi-tracked wordless backing vocals from Dennis and a flute arrangement playing the top melody line.
     
“Til I Die” -- Brian Wilson's 1969 instrumental piano demo, which is not dissimilar from his late-1965/early-1966 demo of “Don’t Talk (Put Your Head On My Shoulder)” found on The 'Pet Sounds' Sessions box set.
     
“T.M. Song” -- An extended version of the faux group “argument” is tagged onto the incredibly bright and rich instrumental track, which proves that Brian Wilson had lost none of his production capacities during the first half of the 1970’s. An aural treat.
     
“Carry Me  Home” -- A pristine, releasable mix of the oft-bootlegged Dennis Wilson Holland-era song, with shared vocal by Blondie Chaplin.

Awesome article Howie! Hopefully, articles like this, and the recent Brian bedroom tapes series, will lead to the release of more vault material.

Many thanks Howie. That lends a lot of clarity to what we've already been reading. Tastebuds are a'tinglin'!

RELEASE THIS STUFF IMMEDIATELY PLEASE. Thanks.

Great Article, Howie!

Now if we could just get these released, they'd go nicely alongside of our new "Icon" double CDs ^-^

maybe they could simply recall the ICON cds and replace them with  the Brother Bonus tracks

I must hear that version of til I die...

As ever, sterling work from Howie.

Thank you guys.
I try to take what we do here and bring it out into the world at large.

It should be noted that the existence of (and conversations regarding) the music on these discs has sparked some interesting questions from some of the people involved in creating it.

Whether that means anything -- time will tell.

We live in hope...

Just curious, but were there bonus tracks for the later stuff too?

Not as far as I know. But, as the original gameplan was for single CDs with bonus tracks for the albums 1970-85, looks like I know nothing. As usual.  ;D

My involvement with the 2000 Brother 2fers was limited and brief (for them as don't know, and why should you ?) I was asked to do the liners for the KTSA/BB85 at very short notice - two weeks, maybe even ten days: no pressure) but even so I learned that the project went through some format changes pretty rapidly, to wit:

single CDs with plentiful bonus tracks...
2fers with a handful of bonus tracks...
just 2fers, with a proposed 2CD rarities package...
just 2fers

Maybe someone can clarify this, maybe not, but here it goes.

How did these songs "discovered" on these test CDRs manage to slip through the process of gathering songs for the box set? Or did they really slip through?

I'm just thinking many of the same people were involved in researching and compiling when this CD test comp was made as were involved in the box set and even earlier projects, finished or not. So how did something like the Fairy Tale demo or Til I Die demo on piano manage to stay hidden when all-out efforts were made to find stuff exactly like this?

And man, in light of certain tracks on this newly surfaced collection, doesn't it make you want to put on the box set and play Kokomo again?  ;D

You know, the recently talked about "Bedroom Tapes", and these newly surfaced "Proposed Bonus Tracks" would make one hell of a Made In California part 2 box set.  ;D

Think again.

So were these CD's compiled by someone other than Boyd/Linnet?  Does it contain material or higher quality sources previously unknown to them?  Perhaps they were compiled by Andrew Sandoval circa Endless Harmony.

It makes me physically ill that dreck like "Goin To The Beach" was officially released before the material on these discs.  I wish they'd just put this stuff on iTunes already.

We've pretty much established these discs date from the 2000 Brother 2fer reissue program. Check the liner credits to answer your question.

Got it - but also in those liners is a "special thanks" to Mark Linett, whatever he was being thanked for was he at least  consulted on some of this material, or not? - that's what I'm curious about.

And this from Howie opens up another gaping hole in the timeline:


So we're to assume there are band members who are asking questions now about this material? It's as if this compilation dropped in from Mars or something, and I guess I'm just not understanding how there was such a disconnect between the 2-fer project's available vault material and the box set's available material.

I'm just thinking again (I know, it gets me into trouble...  :) ) how there were more than one set of ears who heard something like the Fairy Tale demo back in 1999-2000, and when it came time to list possible inclusions on the current box set, either no one remembered this music which is sending fans here over the moon with excitement, there was little or no sharing of info between those who researched in 99-2000 versus recent years, or else there was simply no knowledge of these tracks in the vaults or otherwise even though this CDR set had been compiled and burned, and people had it.

It just doesn't seem to make sense, you know?

Me too. But hey, we got that "add your own guitar solo" contest out of Goin To The Beach, right? It wasn't a total bust. (sarcasm )

Goin' To The Beach is a great Tracks. I remember hearing it on the Going Platinum and really liking it. Bob Hanes wanted that track out, he also liked it. Thought Mike actually wrote a good one.

As for these tracks, we did get some of them on the box. Not nearly enough, but some. This would have been about the time of the Brother Rarities CD's set. It was a competing in house project with Hawthorne Ca. I would like it if more of these had wound up on that set instead of just stereo remixes (that isn't a knock on Mark, just want more unreleased) and vocals only. But we have to remember, the guys took forever to do SMILE (primo material), I am sure in 2000, they would not have ok'd these tracks for release. 2000 was a very legally active time for the band. And also, I remember there was some talk, people chime in here, that Capitol was bulking at what the group was asking for licensing of the Brother LPs and unreleased material. That is why there are more Capitol tracks on Hawthorne.

Just some thoughts.

Bob

You've pretty much answered your own question in there.  :)

Not so, on at least two levels:

1 - Endless Harmony was originally released August 1998 (and revised February 2000), while the Brother reissues were August/September 2000.

2 - The proposed Brother Rarities 2CD set was only ever that - proposed, and it was essentially dead in the water by early 2000. It never progressed beyond a provisional tracklisting.

Thus, it was never in competition with Hawthorne CA, in either of the latter's incarnations. My understanding is that the progression from single CDS stuffed with bonus tracks to unadorned 2fers was dictated solely by financial considerations. I was asked about where the Fairytale should go late 1999 (and I don't believe for a moment I was alone in this: my ego, though of impressive dimensions, isn't that big) and my question was "is the rarities comp set in stone ?", and the reply was along the lines of "um, no, it isn't", whereupon said for Capitol to go with the other option, a 2CD CATP/Holland set. Seems that was what everyone else said too.  ;D

Thanks, Andrew.

Did a tracklist for the proposed 2 CD set ever leak?

The response from Brad Elliott from many years:

http://www.shutdown-vol2.com/forum/index.php?topic=2234.0

I've had this saved for years as it always intrigued me!

These unheard tracks from 1974/75 such as Gold Rush, Our Life Our Love Our Land, Mike Come Back to LA, You're Riding High On The Music, Tones,  Glow Crescent Glow Lucy Jones, Good Timin (1974),River Song (1974), early version of Angel Come Home, Rainbows and The Night Was So Young.

Are they real or not?I would love to hear these tracks or anything else really recorded in that Holland/ES, pre-15BO period

Hard Times and We Got Love should also see release.

No, read Brad Elliott's post:

1. Add Some Music To Your Day (alternate version with different lyrics)
2. I'm Going Your Way (Dennis' companion track to "Slip On Through")
3. Forever (alternate version)
4. Back Home (1970 recording)
5. Lady
6. Sound Of Free
7. Big Sur (original version)
8. Wouldn't It Be Nice To Live Again
9. 'Til I Die (Brian's piano demo)
10. Seasons In The Sun
11. Old Movie (early version of "Cuddle Up" from the SURF'S UP sessions)
12. Brand New Day (unreleased Dennis song for SO TOUGH)
13. All Of My Love
14. I've Got A Friend (studio version)
15. We Got Love
16. Carry Me Home
17. Out In The Country
18. We Gotta Groove
19. Michael, Row The Boat Ashore
20. On Broadway
21. Mony, Mony
22. Rock & Roll Music (long version, with extra verse)
23. Running Bear
24. Shake, Rattle & Roll
25. Sea Cruise (with Mike lead vocal)
26. Ruby Baby
27. You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin'

Disc Two:

1. Gimme Some Lovin'
2. Marilyn Rovell
3. Deep Purple
4. It's Trying To Say (aka "Baseball")
5. Lines
6. New England Waltz
7. How's About A Little Bit (Of Your Sweet Lovin')
8. Go And Get That Girl
9. Mike, Come Back To L.A.
10. Companion
11. It's Not Too Late
12. California Feeling (L.A. LIGHT ALBUM outtake)
13. Calendar Girl
14. Looking Down The Coast
15. Jamaica Farewell (KTSA outtake)
16. Goin' To The Beach
17. Surfer Suzie
18. I'll Always Love You
19. Da Doo Ron Ron (KTSA outtake)
20. I'm A Man (Brian original from 7/80)
21. River Deep, Mountain High
22. Be My Baby
23. Stevie
24. Don't Fight The Sea
25. Runaway (unreleased 1982 single)
26. At The Hop
27. The Spirit Of Rock 'n' Roll

Disclaimer: Any similarity between the above lineup and proposed track listings for the aborted "Brother Rarities" compilation is purely coincidental. :-)

"Disclaimer from Brad: Any similarity between the above lineup and proposed track listings for the aborted "Brother Rarities" compilation is purely coincidental. :-)"

Yeah, sure. Seems like Brad knew something that we didn't back then, eh?

And whosat guy "Mikie" in that conversation.  What an aggressive booger he is....

Too funny, Mikie.

Gene, is that you who use to post on the Cabinessence/Shut Down board?

Nope not me. I only spent the early 2000s lurking there!

Whoops, duplicate post!  :afro

Um... think you'll find those last five titles are not only not 'unheard' but actually released.

Given that he was the person who was originally contracted to provide the liners for all the Brother 2fers, hardly surprising.

Interesting - the following highlighted tracks have since been released (working from memory, feel free to correct), those noted +had already been released by 2000 and those in bold seem to be from the new find:

1. Add Some Music To Your Day (alternate version with different lyrics)
2. I'm Going Your Way (Dennis' companion track to "Slip On Through")
3. Forever (alternate version)
4. Back Home (1970 recording)
5. Lady
6. Sound Of Free
7. Big Sur (original version)
8. Wouldn't It Be Nice To Live Again
9. 'Til I Die (Brian's piano demo)
10. Seasons In The Sun
11. Old Movie (early version of "Cuddle Up" from the SURF'S UP sessions)
12. Brand New Day (unreleased Dennis song for SO TOUGH)
13. All Of My Love
14. I've Got A Friend (studio version)
15. We Got Love
16. Carry Me Home
17. Out In The Country
18. We Gotta Groove
19. Michael, Row The Boat Ashore
20. On Broadway
21. Mony, Mony
22. Rock & Roll Music (long version, with extra verse)
23. Running Bear
24. Shake, Rattle & Roll
25. Sea Cruise (with Mike lead vocal)
26. Ruby Baby+
27. You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin'

Disc Two:

1. Gimme Some Lovin'
2. Marilyn Rovell
3. Deep Purple
4. It's Trying To Say (aka "Baseball")
5. Lines
6. New England Waltz
7. How's About A Little Bit (Of Your Sweet Lovin')
8. Go And Get That Girl
9. Mike, Come Back To L.A.
10. Companion
11. It's Not Too Late
12. California Feeling (L.A. LIGHT ALBUM outtake)
13. Calendar Girl
14. Looking Down The Coast
15. Jamaica Farewell (KTSA outtake)
16. Goin' To The Beach
17. Surfer Suzie
18. I'll Always Love You
19. Da Doo Ron Ron (KTSA outtake)
20. I'm A Man (Brian original from 7/80)
21. River Deep, Mountain High
22. Be My Baby
23. Stevie
24. Don't Fight The Sea
25. Runaway (unreleased 1982 single)+
26. At The Hop
27. The Spirit Of Rock 'n' Roll  (OK, in re-recorded form)

Discuss.

I meant the early/ demo versions. As I understand the last three were recorded in an entirely different way than the released versions.

I think he was referring to the early versions of those songs being unreleased.

Edit

Beat me to it...original post timed out

Andrew, you can highlight "Sea Cruise" and "Ruby Baby" too.

I'm going to take a guess that Brian Chidester is somehow linked to the appearance of this collection or how it was posted about on here. Seems like an odd coincidence that this happened a few months after his article on unreleased material. I could be wrong, of course.

I think the Ruby Baby listed here is from 1975/6, whereas the released one is the party Outtake.

No link, just a coincidence.

True dat, Matt.

Plus the released "Sea Cruise" doesn't have a lead by Mike.  :)

True dat, AGD.  Never thought o' that.  Not sure I even care to hear Mike sing that one anyway. After Dennis' lead, Mike's nasal twine version will probably fall flat.

Whether or not that's a legitimate tracklist it sure looks like a listenable set.

Andrew, isn't this the same track released on MiC?

 19. Da Doo Ron Ron (KTSA outtake)

Wanted to highlight (building on Andrew's list ALL OF THE TRACKS out there, Legit or not:

1. Add Some Music To Your Day (alternate version with different lyrics)
2. I'm Going Your Way (Dennis' companion track to "Slip On Through")
3. Forever (alternate version)
4. Back Home (1970 recording)
5. Lady
6. Sound Of Free
7. Big Sur (original version)
8. Wouldn't It Be Nice To Live Again
9. 'Til I Die (Brian's piano demo)
10. Seasons In The Sun
11. Old Movie (early version of "Cuddle Up" from the SURF'S UP sessions)
12. Brand New Day (unreleased Dennis song for SO TOUGH)
13. All Of My Love
14. I've Got A Friend (studio version)
15. We Got Love
16. Carry Me Home
17. Out In The Country
18. We Gotta Groove
19. Michael, Row The Boat Ashore
20. On Broadway
21. Mony, Mony
22. Rock & Roll Music (long version, with extra verse)
23. Running Bear
24. Shake, Rattle & Roll
25. Sea Cruise (with Mike lead vocal)
26. Ruby Baby+
27. You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin'
Disc Two:

1. Gimme Some Lovin'
2. Marilyn Rovell
3. Deep Purple
4. It's Trying To Say (aka "Baseball")
5. Lines
6. New England Waltz
7. How's About A Little Bit (Of Your Sweet Lovin')
8. Go And Get That Girl
9. Mike, Come Back To L.A.
10. Companion
11. It's Not Too Late
12. California Feeling (L.A. LIGHT ALBUM outtake)
13. Calendar Girl
14. Looking Down The Coast
15. Jamaica Farewell (KTSA outtake)
16. Goin' To The Beach
17. Surfer Suzie
18. I'll Always Love You
19. Da Doo Ron Ron (KTSA outtake)
20. I'm A Man (Brian original from 7/80)
21. River Deep, Mountain High
22. Be My Baby
23. Stevie
24. Don't Fight The Sea
25. Runaway (unreleased 1982 single)+
26. At The Hop
27. The Spirit Of Rock 'n' Roll (OK, in re-recorded form)

Mike, Come Back To L.A.

Is this really out there, or is it the clip from Our Team of them in the studio practicing it, with just a little bit of the backing track and chorus?

well "Jamaican Farewell" WAS released by California Music produced by Bruce and featuring Brian, not sure if it's the same recording as the one listed above but if it is then it was released,,,

Don't think I've heard Sea Cruise with Mike singing lead.  And the only version of "Runaway" that I've heard is the live one on the Sunkist vinyl album. Don't remember hearing "Brand New Day" before. And there's a few on Get The Boot 1 & 2 that aren't on the above list.

It snot.

interesting, is it a completely different track or the same track but with the other Beach Boys dubbed on top of it?

It's an outtake from the early KTSA sessions in late 1979, produced by Brian. Brian also produced a basic track of School Days, Little Girl (which became Sunshine on the album after a little rewriting), and Stranded in the Jungle at the same session. If it has vocals...that I don't know.

cool thanks.. I had always wondered if they were both the same or not,,,

I assumed that It's A New Day from Get the Boot = Brand New Day.

I think the Runaway from Sunkist is the recording from 1982

Yeah, we're most likely never gonna hear these tracks

I'm willing to be that we do.

This is a great collection from Europe :).

(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/Yb0AAOxy4fVTGHQM/$_57.JPG)

Its called From The Vaults.

(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/THE-BEACH-BOYS-FROM-THE-VAULTS-RARE-GERMAN-2CD-2005-AF02-NEW-/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/p9EAAOxyXzxTGHQQ/$_57.JPG)

What's the title?  Tracklist, please.  Or at least enlarge the picture so we can read it? C'mon, Bob, we've had enough teasing to last us awhile.

Save the picture, then enlarge it, Mikie....

Don't even have to do that - right click/view image/enlarge. Having done that very thing and read the liners, it's evident to me that whoever put this together (from mostly the SOT stuff on disc one) doesn't know about 10452.  ;D

BTW Chris, do you realise that by adding a vowel and changing another one your name reads "bogus" ?  ;D

Denny's shampoo commercial - "It's A New Day", Blondie lead vocal.

I hereby claim no endorsement of doing so, but Mikie once pointed out another variation by adding an "i" and an "s".

Right, CM. That's the first thing I thought when I saw his moniker. "Bigass". Which is what he is sometimes. But he's a helpful Bigass today, suggesting that I save the image to the desktop, then zoom in on that baby. Chris is a smart feller and a far........

Ah, OK. Gracias, ol' chap.

I don't have that option. What OS are you using? I'm on Windows 7 and I do a "Save picture as", then I can enlarge it.

Now let's talk about the effing NRA.

The "enlarge" feature isn't necessarily an icon or a function, but after doing the right-click "view image" thing, a little magnifying glass with a + will appear on the photo if it can be viewed larger. Then just click on it.

I'm not a fan of any "windows" product after XP to be honest, so if Gates and company managed to f*** that feature up on later versions, I wouldn't know...  ;D

See, there is no "view image" in the drop down menu when I right-click on the picture. You do a "Save as" and then Windows or a Windows app opens it up. No big deal. Windows 7 is a rock - even better than XP. Microsoft has stopped supporting both of those though and want you to buy the next Windows - the one that supersedes Windows 8.

Sorry to get off track. Back to proposed boner tracks!

The issue for me at this point is will the tracks be released officially or will they not...simple as that!  :)  This afternoon I could either read about sandwiches and what's in them and how they're prepared and where they got the bread, or I could actually eat a sandwich for lunch...much prefer the latter option.

Sadly, today you're going to be doing nothing but reading about sammiches...

Are you saying that Klay didn't send you a link to download the files?

By the way, that is not a picture of a CD I own.  Just a pic that is on the web.

There are ways to get a sandwich if I'm hungry for a sandwich. Maybe today I want a bowl of clam chowder instead.  ;D

(http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/20/files/2012/05/6229086-e1336241973649.jpg)

Ha Ha Ha Ha!  Judd's funny.  That face, like...........

"What? C'mon man, we thought that was your CD"!

or

"You expect us to believe that?"

the bb cd from the vaults is on sale on ebay for $50. Saw it today

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I'm running Vista. Right click, first option on the menu is "View Image". When you do that, a tiny magnifying glass replaces the cursor. For me anyway.

Nothing personal, but Vista is one of THE worst operating systems ever made. Right up there with Windows ME. I'd highly recommend updating your OS ASAP.

Mmmmmm....sandwiches...drool

I wish someone would please make me a sandwich

That's odd; I'm running Vista also, and after right clicking, the first option on the menu is "Back". 

I was looking around the internet about this set and its funny to see this topic being discussed on other boards and blogs. Its so funny to watch something spread so fast.

Back to this set, you would have thought these would tracks have wound up on MIC. Some did, some didn't. But it seems an MIC Vol. 2 should be coming soon. At least one would hope so.

You can sympathise; I was having a go compiling my own boxset-length tracklist, and some of the stuff I had to cut to fit the 80 minute limit of each CD was agonizing.  :'(
I doubt we'll be getting another box set anytime soon. Besides, despite my vexatious fetish for cardboard packaging, another Big Beat-type online release would do it for me.

I feel ya. Could go for one of these right now.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-DbyjJBbKJ7k/ToY1r_yNK1I/AAAAAAAAASk/E0sHrW4pAeI/s400/DSC06113.JPG)

i could eat these til I die...

Given this is The Beach Boys we're talking about, I'd bet another 20 Greatest Hits compilations will have to be released before we see any more rarity sets released.

It's a damn shame, too. We are hungry fans willing to part with good money for these tracks.

Not knowing the age of several people posting, excuse me for sounding like an old coot....but welcome to the world of BB collecting :).

 I know I did my part:

http://fridaynightboys300.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/the-beach-boys-brother-re-issues-bonus.html

I wish someone less honest than Klay got a hold of the CD instead and leaked the tracks. We are suffering because someone wants to do good.

hahah  ;D

honour and all that jazz...


Didn't do Ned Stark much good, did it?

So just curious - did anybody here PM Klay to see if he'd part with the goods?

I am laughing through my tears.  :lol :'(

That fucking half-breed incest-bred bastard Joffrey Baratheon.

He's not going to share them.
He has legitimate reasons.

And neither is the label.

I wish this thread never existed in the first place.

My thoughts exactly. Not blaming Klay, either. Just sucks that we'll never hear this stuff.

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Don't be. Some people have made what should have been an optimistic and exciting thread a miserable 17 pages of harshness.
In any case, this whole thing has become pretty big  - certainly shows a lot of demand for the material. :)

They have a million simple ways to get this material to us fans but I doubt they will bother.

Enjoy klay, you hit the jackpot

It'll come out one way or another eventually. If Brian's album and biopic (and, to a lesser extent, the book) are successful, there will be renewed interest from within. I set my watch and warrant on it.

I certainly hope you're right Billy. I was one of those who doubted the authenticity of the set originally but am delighted it's the real deal. What with these, the "bedroom tapes", the Big Beat material and the other unreleased stuff we know of, there is a decent (albeit uncommercial to the general music market) pot of material for a fresh box of treasures out there. Specialist product does sell to small audiences such as those here as might put their hands in pockets. Hope…

If a cd has already found its way to a shop, I wouldn't have thought anyone could be surprised when it is found to have spread via the net or otherwise. Not necessarily the buyer, could be one of the several other pairs of hands it has been through. Would just take the one copy for a mate, who makes just one other and bingo - all over the Web. Could have been anyone.  ;)

But it hasn't spread, so whatever are you on about?

But it can...

Klay, if anything, you have earned my complete respect for your integrity. I've just been bummed out from other non-related things and I apologize if it spilled over into my message. Even as much as I love the Brother Years, and after all is said and done and I finally did hear them, I am positive that the world will not have changed any. Love you, brother!

I know I posted this earlier, but here it is again. Most of this set is out. Yes maybe not pristine, but some of it pretty damn good. Please review again.
(http://titanicproject.home.comcast.net/~titanicproject/Hold/Image3.jpg)

Petsite --

The versions of "I'm Going Your Way," "We Gotta Groove," and "Hey There Momma" have never been booted -- I don't know if they warrant an "X."

"I'm Going Your Way" has the same track, but an entirely new double tracked Dennis lead vocal.
Both "Groove" and "Momma" have a full set of lyrics and vocals.

I just want to say this without pointing fingers at the "ole evil record company," which like everything else has its share of heroes and villains -- but the same company that buried MIC from both a budgeting standpoint to the actual release date (how this thing -- the followup up to GRAMMY AWARD WINNING TSS (!!!) -- was not released on or near Black Friday with a massive multimedia push is beyond me. You dump 9-track Bertie Higgins comps in late-August -- not something of importance. There are FEW things simpler. . .) is releasing a massive Allman Brothers Fillmore East set next month.

What I'm saying is that UMe is far from adverse to mining its vaults.
The vaults are the future.

If fans want BB outtakes out there, they really need to contact Universal and demand them -- personally -- NOT in a group petition that reeks of geekdom and automatically invalidates any request. Trust me, nothing gets ignored faster than a petition.

A stack of emails says something.

It's not BRI or the band being stingy about their vault.
They have a team who could do MIC EVERY YEAR.

Email Capitol/UMe and say you want this stuff.
It truly may be that simple.

this is a good thread; these recordings can't stay unheard forever

'Scuse me if this has been mentioned, but a number of the tracks are noted "LP only" – assume the implication is that a concurrent vinyl reissue had been on the cards for each album, before they were consolidated as two-fers packages?

thank you.
Didn't think it was rocket surgery.

It did get hinted at in the skeptical phase of this thread, but remains a bit fascinating and deserves re-raising in hope of an answer or best guess.  LAGD's recollections from a few pages back cover a gamut of CD release formats, but no mention of LP format - interesting the implied play times - you'd have to be talking double vinyl sets if that was the original intention

Don't mention the "p" word around here, Howie  :lol

Thanks for the sage advice about genuine emails, plenty of food for thought - thanks again

Ignore these people and stick to your guns. Some fans - BB or otherwise - will always have such a sense of entitlement.

AGD is correct, it's cool you have a set of desirable tracks - don't worry that others are pissed about not sharing.  We live in a small world, things won't be hidden forever.

Here's a valid question for Mr.Doe. While not asking Mr.Doe to reveal any secrets about the contents of any (possible?) future archival Beach Boys CD product, perhaps Mr.Doe can ask his inside connections whether there ever will be any further Beach Boys archival releases, or whether "Made in California" marks the end of archival activity. Not only is there the problem of getting permission from the feuding Beach Boys, there is also the question of whether Capitol/Universal Music think that further archival releases are commercially viable. I doubt that "Made in California" was a huge hit.

You seem to have come to your desired conclusion anyway, so I wouldn't dream of wasting my time in contradicting you: partly because you won't believe anything I say. and partly because, as always, you don't have the first clue as to what's going on behind the scenes.

Klay, or anyone who has heard these, can you transcribe the lyrics to these songs?

Be careful what you wish for...

What a non-answer. You were only asked if further archival projects were under development (yes or no). You weren't asked for any specifics.

No worries, Phil. He's only a "legend" in his own mind.

 No!  I think he's legendary also

Well said as always Howie!

Truth: I've learned a lot from this legendary guy. I was just trying to comfort Phil.  :angel:

Giving Phil any information that doesn't mesh with his idee fixee is about as sensible as telling a member of the NRA that the 2nd amendment applies to establishing a militia over 200 years ago, not his right to go into a shopping mall with an AK 47 and blow away who he chooses this afternoon.

As my father used to say, can't tell someone something they don't want to hear.

I shall bulk email my contacts in the Tower at once. All 47 of them.  ;D

No, I really want to know what the lyrics are for Hey There Momma and We Gotta Groove.  I don't care if they are worse than Wrinkles.  As a Beach Boys Fan I really want to know, even if they are about going to the bathroom.

Odd you should mention that...

Now I want to know what they are for comedic purposes.

Fine idea Howie… If anyone has a relevant contact at the Tower and can pass on their email address (in a PM might be best) I'm more than happy to send off an email.

AGD, please don't send all 47, just the ten most pertinent!   ;D

If you said that your contacts say that there will be no more archival Beach Boys releases, I'd be disappointed, but I'd reluctantly accept your answer.

If you said that your contacts say that there WILL be future archival Beach Boys releases, I'd be pleased, but wouldn't press you for any further information(since you wouldn't give that information anyhow).

'Ere we go…

Well, do you really think that I'm being that unreasonable this time? Mr.Doe was only asked to give a simple "Yes" or "No" answer, based on whatever knowledge that he may have. He wasn't being asked to reveal any mega-secrets. Like I said, if his "connections" say that there won't be any more Beach Boys archival projects, I'd be disappointed, but I will reluctantly accept that.

Like I've said in recent months, if there are more Beach Boys archival releases, I'll buy them, but if there aren't any more, I won't be brokenhearted. There's plenty of other artists who are releasing archival CD's & DVD's.

Howie has said very recently that there is interest in the BB's camp to get out more vault material. But MIC is not even close to a year old yet, they're not gonna flood the market. I'm sure we haven't seen the last archive product from our favourite band.

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Something tells me that poet laureate Carol Ann Duffy won`t be losing any sleep over those lyrics...  :)

For the record, Klay, thanks for sharing all this info with us.  Even if we can't hear it, it's interesting to know what exists. 

I fully support your integrity in not sharing.., besides, who knows what legal risks that might somehow entail?  And I am sorry you got such crap about it here.  If I had found something like you did, I couldn't have waited to tell about it here, because who would care more than this group?  But after seeing the reaction you got hit with, there's no way I would mention anything about it here.

Which from personal observation I can tell you would be both a very astute and wise decision on your part.

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I'm listening to the We Gotta Groove track right now (the bootleg version) and with the lyrics Klay provided...THAT sounds like an awesome track. I sort of made up a "melody" line and sang the lyrics to myself with the track. It makes sense. The track with just the backing vocals is AWESOME.

And for the record, the moderators are keeping an eye on this thread. Any harassment of Klay will end in a one-time permanent ban. You're all on notice.

Thank you for all of the information, Klay. I would say this is THE thread of 2014 so far!

Can I say Klay is a sadist to water my mouth so bad with the track descriptions? If this counts as harrassment, I take it back. ;D

Wow, thanks for these!
Somehow I have the feeling I know who wrote the lyrics to We Gotta Groove...   ::) ::)

maybe they should put the two songs together as a medley that way it will be titled "Hey there mama we gotta groove."  :lol

With that whole copyright thing regarding The Big Beat 1963, wouldn't that mean release of this material is only a matter of time?  If my understanding of that situation is right, and I'm not positive on that by any means, unreleased material that is over 50 years old becomes public domain unless made available to the public.  So under this even the late 70's stuff would be due within about 15 years, barring a change in law.

Very much doubt any mono mixes ever existed. Not heard word one about them since the album was released.

the lyrics for Hey There Momma are so Brian, it's scary.

Thanks!  I appreciate all your insights here Klay.

Much appreciated Klay!

Agree Klay, that's priceless, fascinating info.  Might be simple lyrics but only makes me salivate more.

You're a regular Pavlovian dog....

A hot dog

Agreed

You know you're a beach boys fanatic when....

I like to do it on my hands and knees…

There... there are Beach Boys songs that aren't about going to the bathroom?

I'm obviously VERY LATE to this thread!....but...

Just wanted to say that I've ALWAYS heard a "quiet snicker" before Mike's bridge vocal. Sounds to me that he's even trying to stifle a laugh while he sings it. I would hope that Brian and Mike were goofing around during the session, something like "MIKE Looooooooooove....is a woman..."  (And I swear during the "Honkin' Down The Highway" instrumental break that I hear a sneeze, followed by someone saying "Bless you.")

Random Thought: I don't know about that but there seems to be an uncanny amount of songs about farm living.

Back Home '63 and '76
Back Home '70 (counted as separate due to the totally different lyrics and the numerous other differences)
Farmer's Daughter
Country Air
Out In The Country
Cotton Fields (a cover, admittedly, but still. Also, again, two different versions!)
Barnyard
Cabin Essence
Barnyard Blues

What else? That's a shockingly large list as is from a bunch of kids from California.

Edit: Added "Barnyard Blues" (thanks shelter!)

+ Barnyard Blues

Not really - remember, they're the descendents of Ohio and Kansas farmers. Just happened to live in California.

Country Feelin' from Sweet Insanity - or we only doin' BB Farm tunes

Big Sur?

Pitter Patter ("It looks like grain…")
Mrs O'Leary's Cows
Farm, Farm, Farm
I Can Hear Mooing
…

Oh, no. No, no, no. No.

There's also:

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Plus Brian's awkward 1998 turn, with Ed Carter!

(http://image1.frequency.com/uri/w354_h200_ctrim_ll/_/item/1/6/2/8/Brian_Wilson_California_Girls_Live_at_Fa_162857538_thumbnail.jpg)

 :lol

You people obviously know nothing about California which is one of the world's most productive agricultural regions. My extended family on both sides were/are all California farmers and ranchers going back to the first half of the 1800's. Don't have to be from Kansas to sing about the Barnyard...I mean both my Grandmothers were California Farmer's Daughters.

Don't they have wine trees there?

do I see a new Beach Boys compilation coming titled "The Beach Boys-On the farm."  :lol

You can be sure they'll still fit a surfboard on the cover somewhere.

Does "I'm In Great Shape" count?

we can't forget about "Vegetables" since, well, they are grown on the farm....

Country Pie!  ;D

Plus that country album Brian made with Fred Vail.

I would really like to hear that.

 I love those trees!  Just go out in the fields, pick the bottle you like best, and take it home with you...

Time to go water the vodka bush! :lol

don't forget "A day in the life of a tree." tree's live on farms...

Does TM Song have the "ooh waa" background vocals?

. (this is apparently the best way to 'watch thread', without receiving email updates?)

Why does this thread (currently the most interesting one) keep disappearing?

 ???

It won't anymore!
Here's the TM backing track:  :o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6U2ubpBd28

Those are some amazing background vocals!! Thanks for posting  :angel:

Great Googley Moogely

wow...incredible, easily one of the most amazing songs they EVER did....

This is the saddest thread of all time and I'm going to be happy when it gets buried.

LOL...the BB equivalent of being rick rolled

Whilst visiting CA, I was able to get by the CD Trader store where Klay picked up this set: 
  In fact, when I was there I started by asking " Is this the store that sold that set of CDs called (something like) "Proposed Brother Bonus Tracks by the Beach Boys" ??
 Two guys working there, one seemd lost, until  the first guy told him " you remember, some guy brought in a bunch of boot CDs and that was one of them; he continued by saying it had been posted about on some BBs message board after the sale.  the other guy remembered then and said he had copied the CDs to his iTunes...( before they sold it to Klay! )  I didn't comment as to whether it was really a boot....
 I wasn't able to stick around long enough to have a good chance to work on getting a copy from the guy, especially as he said he only had his iTunes at home not the store.( and wasn't sure if he could even copy them back)   but MAYBE someone that lives nearby could convince him to make a copy so more of us could hear the tracks....   

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE.

I go to LA once a month for 4 day trips. Where is the store located?

He could quite easily copy them back onto something else once their on his computer. The problem would just be talking him into it.
If someone goes, bring some CD-R's or a flash drive to put 'em on.

 :p

Nice try Chris... you're getting better, you almost had me going there for a moment. Then I saw who the poster was...  ;D

Can I cancel my flight?

 No loss  for me if you cancel; I'll just presume someone will try to talk him into copying them. He comes across very open and friendly, just not certain about his copying ability, methinks.

too late, I already sold the house to buy the record store  :'(

(Please forgive my bad English) There's been a lot of stuff released officially, including some great songs from the archives - the latest being Made in California. Unfortunately the BB (etc) are holding on to the rest of the stuff. However, I am pretty sure many of the songs mentioned here will be released officially, but how many more fans will have to die before they release the stuff? Am I being selfish? Because I enjoy everything BB/Brian? "Give the people what the people want" (?) ???

Of course I'd love to see (a lot) more unreleased Beach Boys material get an official release in the near future. But then again, an artist has every right to hold anything back if he for some reason doesn't think it's suitable for release. Of course it's frustrating to know that a lot of what the Beach Boys did release is much worse than a lot of what they didn't release, but still... It's their legacy, they will be judged by everything that's released under their name, so they get to decide what comes out and what doesn't. We as fans don't have the right to hear more unreleased stuff, we can only hope we'll get the privilege.

well, yeah, sure!  Doesn't stop folks from trying to hear the unreleased stuff tho, in whatever form they can.
Anybody make it by CDTrader yet, to try and get a copy(s) of his Itunes stuff ?

So any update on this?  Don't let the most exciting thread of the year die.  Keep hope alive that this sees the light of day!   :angel:

Damn, my brother used to live 5 minutes from CD Trader.  I have a friend who will head over there soon to attempt to get this stuff.

O, happy day!

FGI.

I've googled many times without any listening pleasure.

Finally Gone Insane?   

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fgi (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fgi)

And I even had to google THAT.

well then, as usual withj mickey, it's nonsensical; the poster wasn't looking for the location, they want the recordings, which aren't available by googling

You know, I can forgive Roger for not knowing what "FGI" is, but not Bgas because he grew up in the 60's.

I'll give you a hint. "FGI" means one of these. Pick one that you think would be appropriate.  And no, it's not "F*cking Google It".

http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/fgi

I think it's the Federation of German Industry.

I still think it's funny because I had to fucking google it (FGI).

 :lol

Ooohhhhhhh, the sixties....  that explains it then.
Probably Kip Brown and I were learning it at the same time, so even tho he was in CA and I was in MO, we ere both practicing saying  Fake Good Idea

If we're talking 60's it's probably more like Farout Groovy Idea!  8)

It could also well have been Farting Grumpy Imbecile. I've met some of those guys before.

I think it's time to bring this thread back. There is to much important information here to lose. Maybe it should be put at the top of the page permanently?

Yeah! Do it!

Would like to the thread is an important reminder to BRI visitors that there is definitely an interested market for this kinda gear.

Good idea!

Seconded… or is that thirded? Or fourthed?

Maybe just have the mods edit it down to the important info posts and leave the chaff.
Gotta love  Klay and CD Trader!!!