New Beach Boys release will make you 'SMiLE'

[Runaways]

i wonder if this'll be the last beach boys "album".  even though it's archival. it's like, music for one album. 

[Jason]

Those who doubt the presence of the 11/29/66 "workshop" sounds on BWPS during "Workshop" need to have their hearing checked. Period.

[Ebb and Flow]

Those who doubt the presence of the 11/29/66 "workshop" sounds on BWPS during "Workshop" need to have their hearing checked. Period.

IMO they definitely used the original 1966 effects track but also added some sound effects in '04 to expand the stereo image.  Evidence: the original '66 sound effects OD is mono and the BWPS sound effects are in stereo.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

The drill sounds different,  the hammering is at a different pitch and has a slightly different rhythm, and the circular saw also is at a different pitch. Plus, there's a different *type* of saw used. Other than that, it's exactly the same.

Ears are fine, also.

[Mooger Fooger]

When BWPS first came out I synched up the two sfx tracks from 04 and 66. After pitch matching I got the phasing effects on the 66 sounds while the newer stuff remained unaffected. I then asked the guys backstage at the Bonn concrt and they confirmed the use of vintage sounds.

[Cam Mott]

I didn't mean released unmixed. 

Correct me if I'm wrong but the recording of the sound effects for "Woodshop" were deducted from the Brother Records Inc.'s account by Capitol. So did BRI give Brian permission to use those sound effects? Something doesn't seem right, maybe Mark will chime in.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

I then asked the guys backstage at the Bonn concrt and they confirmed the use of vintage sounds.

Hmm....I was told differently

[c-man]

IMO they definitely used the original 1966 effects track but also added some sound effects in '04 to expand the stereo image.  Evidence: the original '66 sound effects OD is mono and the BWPS sound effects are in stereo.

The sound effects are indeed in stereo on the "20/20" LP. 

[Jason]

Right when you first hear the drills on Workshop, it's very obvious. It just can't be refuted, not from anyone who claims to possess a pair of ears and an even rudimentary knowledge of Smile recordings, or, dare I say, even Do It Again. People who think otherwise are kidding themselves and/or buy into the "Brian FULLY CONTROLS his career" bullshit.

[rab2591]

Right when you first hear the drills on Workshop, it's very obvious. It just can't be refuted, not from anyone who claims to possess a pair of ears and an even rudimentary knowledge of Smile recordings, or, dare I say, even Do It Again. People who think otherwise are kidding themselves and/or buy into the "Brian FULLY CONTROLS his career" bullmerda.

People actually believe that? Jeesh.

[Jason]

Right when you first hear the drills on Workshop, it's very obvious. It just can't be refuted, not from anyone who claims to possess a pair of ears and an even rudimentary knowledge of Smile recordings, or, dare I say, even Do It Again. People who think otherwise are kidding themselves and/or buy into the "Brian FULLY CONTROLS his career" bullmerda.

People actually believe that? Jeesh.

http://brianwilson.com/community/index.html

Be amazed. Be disgusted. Be amused.

[rab2591]

Right when you first hear the drills on Workshop, it's very obvious. It just can't be refuted, not from anyone who claims to possess a pair of ears and an even rudimentary knowledge of Smile recordings, or, dare I say, even Do It Again. People who think otherwise are kidding themselves and/or buy into the "Brian FULLY CONTROLS his career" bullmerda.

People actually believe that? Jeesh.

http://brianwilson.com/community/index.html

Be amazed. Be disgusted. Be amused.

  Oh God, Every time I visit that nightmare of a message board I nearly have a mental breakdown trying to navigate to a post - then I read some of the posts.... 
 
Speaking of which....I take it donations are still needed for this board? I'd hate to see this one go under - we'd all have to migrate to Brian's board. 

[Dunderhead]

I've always been interested in Smiley Smile's tracklist.

Heroes and Villains
Vegetables
Fall Breaks [Fire]
She's Going Bald [He Gives Speeches]
Little Pad [Do You Like Worms]
Good Vibrations
With Me Tonight
Wind Chimes
Getting Hungry
Wonderful
Whistle In [Do You Like Worms]

Brian was the one who sequenced that right? It's always seemed really weird to me that he picked the songs that he did to rework for Smiley, and I've always thought the tracklist might give some good clues as to a Smile running order. Why was Gettin' Hungry (Which Brian Calls "The Organ Recital" on UM) the only new song recorded?

[Jason]

Well....I'm hesitant to say Gettin' Hungry was the "only new song" recorded during Smiley Smile, as Little Pad definitely is all new. Fall Breaks And Back To Winter and Whistle In are basically new songs based on a riff or vocal melody, which was a product of Brian's creativity as early as 1963 (Land Ahoy = Cherry Cherry Coupe, County Fair = I Do).

[Jay]

Right when you first hear the drills on Workshop, it's very obvious. It just can't be refuted, not from anyone who claims to possess a pair of ears and an even rudimentary knowledge of Smile recordings, or, dare I say, even Do It Again. People who think otherwise are kidding themselves and/or buy into the "Brian FULLY CONTROLS his career" bullmerda.

People actually believe that? Jeesh.

Check out some of the "Plan to lure AGD back..." posts. 

http://brianwilson.com/community/index.html

Be amazed. Be disgusted. Be amused.

  Oh God, Every time I visit that nightmare of a message board I nearly have a mental breakdown trying to navigate to a post - then I read some of the posts.... 
 
Speaking of which....I take it donations are still needed for this board? I'd hate to see this one go under - we'd all have to migrate to Brian's board. 

[The Heartical Don]

The drill sounds different,  the hammering is at a different pitch and has a slightly different rhythm, and the circular saw also is at a different pitch. Plus, there's a different *type* of saw used. Other than that, it's exactly the same.

Ears are fine, also.

Is it a Black & Decker? Or a Makita? I am wrecking my brain over this for years on end. It is of the essence for whether the SMiLE-box will get an A+ or an E-, in my view.

[Andrew G. Doe]

I then asked the guys backstage at the Bonn concrt and they confirmed the use of vintage sounds.

Hmm....I was told differently

Me too... by just about everyone involved.

[Mahalo]

as Little Pad definitely is all new.

How can you be so sure that the melody is 100% brand new?? IMO it fits too prfectly into a song that was recorded only a couple months before-hand...I mean it seems Brian would not record a track if the melody was not already developed in his head...which in this case happened to surface in Little Pad...only to resurface for In Blue Hawaii many, many moments later...

[Andrew G. Doe]

as Little Pad definitely is all new.

How can you be so sure that the melody is 100% brand new?? IMO it fits too prfectly into a song that was recorded only a couple months before-hand...I mean it seems Brian would not record a track if the melody was not already developed in his head...which in this case happened to surface in Little Pad...only to resurface for In Blue Hawaii many, many moments later...

"Little Pad" evolved from the unreleased "Hawaiian Song" of the immediate post-Smile: I'd wager it's got traces of the earlier project in it.

[buddhahat]

Agd, have you heard this Hawaiian Song ?

[Andrew G. Doe]

Agd, have you heard this Hawaiian Song ?

My source is impeccable. 

[Roger Ryan]

I then asked the guys backstage at the Bonn concrt and they confirmed the use of vintage sounds.

Hmm....I was told differently

Me too... by just about everyone involved.

Were these the same folks that said that the backing track to "Saturday Morning In The City" was entirely re-recorded for GIOMH?  

Anyway, I didn't mean to stir up controversy. I read the Foskett quote about using parts of the old workshop session, heard the album and believed that, yes, the vintage recording had been used. It's not illogical to think that the old sound effects would be utilized, but perhaps the parties involved recognized they might have crossed the line legally, so the "official" response is now "it was all newly recorded".

[Andrew G. Doe]

I then asked the guys backstage at the Bonn concrt and they confirmed the use of vintage sounds.

Hmm....I was told differently

Me too... by just about everyone involved.

Were these the same folks that said that the backing track to "Saturday Morning In The City" was entirely re-recorded for GIOMH?  

No-one ever told me that, I suspect 'cause they knew I wouldn't swallow it.

[The Heartical Don]

My god... 28 pages about an archival release that is still very dubious... are we bonkers? 

[Andrew G. Doe]

My god... 28 pages about an archival release that is still very dubious... are we bonkers? 

Dubious ? Who's dubious ? I'm not dubious.