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http://m.ranker.com/crowdranked-list/greatest-songwriters-of-all-time?utm_expid=16418821-2.PAaBT_MORcmI67lBYq2pgw.0

Put those damn mop tops in place

He's currently 12th

EDIT:

Now #3

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I just put the "damn mop tops" in their place. At #1.

... and vote some others down! /// Done.

Oh those crazy lists. Was it just me or did anyone else laugh when they saw Mozart's name on there? I don't think that's what the list makers were looking for.

George Harrison? Leonard Cohen? Sounds like some serious ballot-box stuffing may be going on.

What the?!?   This is obviously stuffed.
Where's Mike Love? 

just goes to show how shite these lists are and how people are diehard loyal to their beatle childhood

also, Mozart is on the list? surely it's very hard to put him into a modern context and to 'rank him' next ot all the others. plenty of classical composers would trumph half the modern people on this list if this were anything fair or unbiased.

Good to see that many at least don't object to Brian being among the best music writers. I spot plenty I would never consider for the title. It's all about which forums mobilise their members the most to vote for their respective artist really  ;D

(http://forums.euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/attachment.php?attachmentid=201288&d=1403787489)

haha i deserve that  :-D

would have thought Billy Joel would have been in the list....

RickB

you simply have to add him. I m  too busy voting for Brian multiple times to over-ride mikie

Billy Joel is there, lower on the list. I notice Michael DeMartin has gotten in on the act, telling people on Facebook to vote for Brian.  Between that and this board, there's suddenly a surge of voting for Brian and he's Number 3. It's a little hard to overtake Dylan and Lennon/McCartney.

Sure it's hard, but if you keep voting thumbs up for Brian and thuimbs down for the others.....

Very nice job people , Brian has shot up to #3

Let's keep trying, #1 is hard but not impossible

Just saw Brian's people post this on Facebook


We're being watched

I refuse to vote down Lennon & McCartney. But I did for Bob Dylan  ;D

Go Brian!!!

"Don't criticize what you can't understand".

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It's funny, Brian should be number 1 but for some reason they wont move him above 3

Screw it, I consider this a victory anyway

Voted up Lennon&McCartney. Voted down Sting. Sorry.

 Their reasoning is that anyone can vote, but only folks who post their own list are smart enough to really know that the place is full of it:  
  

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Doesn't matter, we won . We doubled Brian's votes in a matter of hours.

The people have spoken, over 2 thousand of us. Brian's the best ever, case closed  ;D

Since when was Lennon/McCartney one person anyway...

It's not a criticism of Dylan. He's 2nd place on the poll so far, one place above Brian.
I only voted Dylan down because of that. I would have done the same for the 1st one, if it wasn't Lennon/McCartney.


You're a fucking idiot.

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Since December 8th 1980   

Voted up Brian, still had to vote for Lennon/McCartney, also voted up Ray Davies, Stevie Wonder, Elvis Costello and Pete Townshend.

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"I will be number one."

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Seriously, f*** off. It's like you have absolutely no idea how fucking annoying you are.

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Just so you know, if I lash out at you, it's not for no reason. It's because you fucking deserve it. You are detrimental to this forum. You have nothing better to do than to follow my posts and make stupid comments to entice a reaction out of it. I tire of your bullshit. You can only ignore a person for so long

Shhh. :)

You know what? Why don't you both just shut the f*** up.

How would you like it when you try to enjoy the forum for half a year, and some idiot follows your every post and takes every opportunity he can get to insult you?

Report him.

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For those of you who came into this thread late, like I sadly did, the issue above has been dealt with. My apologies to those who came into this thread, like me, hoping to have a discussion about the poll.

We now return to our regularly scheduled programming, already in progress...

I've had that (on and off) since I first came online, back in February 1998. Someone on The Bloo (and I know who she was) once invented at least three separate identities to keep taking pops at me several years ago. It's life on the net.  :)

Agreed with AGD.

Happened to me too. Partially my own fault. Net access was limited to the library at my college back in the day, and i left myself logged in. used to see crazy sh*t posted under my name, and didn't know what the f*** happened. Turned out it was this dude I reported to the school for looking at porn online at school. Caught the f*cker red handed. He ended up getting kicked out, and suddenly the problem stopped.

In a separate instance, a few years later I used to get emails from some prick who just wanted to talk sh*t about me. This was about ten years ago now. Didn't know who it was, just some dude apparently from the Shut Down board.

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Brian is still a good 500 odd posts behind the mops. Not enough members on this board to change that. I'd suggest if people haven't already done so to put the link up on facebook with message to vote Brian.

Whether Brian can make it to number one or not, he's in great company.
Now maybe we can fix up this list (a truly terrible one) of the "best rock singers". Brian's at #61 and Carl's nowhere to be found on the list. Seems like you have to be a part of the website to add someone. So, if you're apart of the website, get on that. Here's the list (http://www.ranker.com/list/best-rock-vocalists/rockboy).

Carl is never on those lists...its a damn shame.

I'm following you.

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Dylan is gone, Brian is up to #2  ;D

You fellas going anywhere interesting?  I might want to tag along....

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The fact that Elvis is on the list says everything about the validity of this poll.  :lol

lets make Bruce number one! :lol

Hey, Pipeline beats the hell out of anything those damn Beatles ever recorded!

Don't forget to vote for Dennis as well!

Yep for Do You Wanna Dance, Little Miss America, My Diane etc.  ;)

Huh?

While we're at it let's get Brian (and Carl) to the top of the best singers list!

http://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-list/20-greatest-singers?page=1 (http://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-list/20-greatest-singers?page=1)

Carl's at 187 at the moment. This needs to change.

He's wasn't even on the list when I looked, so I had to add him.  At least he's already moved up 15 positions.

That's great!
Dennis Wilson is at 63 on the Best Songwriters list. Let's vote him up!

I didn't see Burt Bacharach/Hal David  in there. Did I just miss them? They should be top 10 easily.

Burt Bacharach is somewhere below Elvis in the songwriters list...obviously.  ::)

Don't forget guys we won, Brian may not be ranked first due to some bureaucratic bull sh*t, but by votes alone he should be first

Not even the combined effort of both Lennon and Mccartney could hold off Brian.

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Bad news. Brian Wilson's gone down to 3, and Bob Dylan's back at 2. There's been a wave of dislikes for Brian lately. Plus he ranks low on re-ranks.

On a bit of a lighter note, Dennis Wilson's gone up to 57 52 from 63. And Carl Wilson's gone up to 166 on the Best Singers list, right above James Hetfield and right below George Jones.

Bullshit. Brian has the best vote ratio he should be number #1

A votes a vote

Yeah, that's true. It even says "List is ranked by a combination of each item's votes & positioning in reranks". In terms of votes, Brian's first now. But it doesn't do well on re-ranks. Dylan on the other hand has been the most listed, and Lennon and McCartney has been voted first on reranks more than anyone else.  :(

It doesn't mean much. Most of the lists on Ranker.com only get a few votes, less than 100 for the top-ranked. So, no one much visits the website for most of their lists, some of which are pretty ridiculous. The only people voting on the songwriter list are stuffing the ballot box for their favorites.  I'm sure that poll has been discussed on Beatles and Dylan message boards, too.

By the way, Ranker.com also has a list for greatest living songwriter, and Brian is not even in the Top 20 on that list.

http://www.ranker.com/list/greatest-living-rock-songwriter/lons

Brian only needs less than 700 votes to overtake McCartney on the greatest-living list, who's #1.

I clap your stubbornness. Brian must be 1st over all sorts of Dylans/Lennon-McCartneys. He IS the best. Fact.

lennon/mccartney and dylan were NOWHERE near brian.

the one time i had the opportunity to meet brian wilson i was shaking like a leaf, but after shaking hands, getting an autograph, and brian telling me to "have a good sleep", i couldn't help myself and told him "you are the greatest songwriter ever". brian looked genuinely surprised, and asked me, "better than bacharach?" i replied, "oh yes, you are better than bacharach" brian then added, "how about mccartney", to which i replied, "you are better than him too, you have no idea how great you are, etc. etc.". real fanboy gushing, and his band stood around the table, laughing. as i let the next person in the line step up to meet the genius, brian laughed to himself, "not better than mccartney". professional modesty?

Brian Wilson... ♥

To piggyback on this thread...

For those that have an account on the Hoffman forum, you should go vote for the Beach Boys: http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/battle-of-the-best-american-bands-of-all-time-championship-round-please-read-the-initial-post.393327/

It's sort of a silly thing, but I'd like to see them win.

CCR was great but they were NOWHERE near the BBs cmon! Creedence had s handful of classic singles and two killer albums outta the five they made...the BB have two dozen classic singles and several integral albums.

direct your angers at those haffman guyz. we r not ur enemy kookamadems!! !

It's kinda sad to see that some people don't see The Beach Boys as a legitimate band.

Hope the Boys win. CCR is great in their own right but c'mon. Surprised that CCR's winning actually.

Folk need to get over there and vote for our team… how can Creedence even be in the running, let alone in the lead? Bloomin' Hoffmannites…

 Using my best John Cleese voice...... "It's a silly list, isn't it."

 In the top fifty having Mozart , Bach, Beethoven and Gerswin on the list and comparing them to people such as Dylan is silly. It's like comparing  Michelangelo to Andy Warhol

 Not having Burt Bacharach in the top fifty is silly.

 Having Brian below Dylan is silly. Dylan is a better lyricist but he can't carry Brian's jock strap musically.

 This list is comparing apples to oranges to lemons etc

Personally, I think Dylan comes really, really, really close.

I usually find these kinds of polls silly and more like a popularity contest, but I read them anyway without taking too much of it seriously. With the case of The Beach Boys as a band in some of these issues, I have to suggest one variable to explain some of the rankings or even perceptions, and I'm doing it not to start a dust-up or anything, but to offer a take on why the results can be what they are.

Creedence stopped making albums over 45 years ago. So did The Beatles. Dylan, he's another subject, but he has an aura among music fans where his status was in place decades ago no matter what he might release in the future, meaning his armor can't be dented at this point even if he releases something awful. Other artists are that way too, they simply stopped making new music of consequence or new music that was visible enough, so fans judge them based on the classic catalog they left behind in their prime of making records.

Now the Beach Boys...

What do you think is the average age of people responding to these polls? Over/under, what do you think? Average ages in the 30's somewhere? Maybe a bit younger or older on either side?

What were the Beach Boys most visible and most public offerings when a lot of those who I think may be answering these polls came of age in regards to listening to music, via albums, MTV, radio, whatever the media? Not as much even the internet.

Kokomo. Wipe Out. Appearances on Home Improvement, Full House, various TV shows, sports events, whatever the case. Could it be that is the more generic image of the band *as a band* which helped shape the perspective which these listeners are using to answer the polls? I know if i were not already more deeply involved and invested in the band's music when a lot of that came out, I might have a different impression of them. If I were not a big fan of songs like I Get Around, Dont Worry Baby, whatever other of the original catalog, and I had been bombarded with the Kokomo and Wipe Out videos as a first impression in those very impressionable years as i was finding my musical taste bit by bit, I might not be as into the band as it turns out I was before all that. Add to that, when there was some interest in the music, renewed interest perhaps, in the 90's, this same band under the name "Beach Boys" gave new listeners perhaps looking for new product to explore, albums like Summer In Paradise, Still Cruisin, the Stars N Stripes country project...there was no meat on the bone. How many times do you think fans got a similar reaction as I got talking Beach Boys in my younger years when I'd bring them up based on the music I knew, and the person's reply would mention the "new" albums in record stores at the time, and the Kokomo video, etc. "Is this the same band?" might be one of the knee-jerk replies you'd hear.

Whether it's good or bad or indifferent, these other groups and artists that regularly top these polls have the benefit of not needing much of an explanation or a backstory because their recordings pretty much start and end at a specific year, and that's it. Or else, like Dylan or perhaps the Stones, whatever they did later wasn't strong enough to shift opinions of their 'classic' body of work that put them in the polls in the first place. If Dylan did something less than stellar, it usually sank out of the public eye anyway, and remains inconsequential for most fans judging his catalog.

Listeners who are now in their 30's or 40's, The Beach Boys they may have seen first in those formative listening years were not the Beach Boys we'd like to have seen at the top of these lists and polls, and it's all about perspective and age/experience.

You have got to be joking.  Dylan can't touch the subtleties of Brian in his prime.

I'm not joking and I disagree with that point too.

I laughed too. Currently Freddie Mercury is ranked right above Bach.  :-D   And Mozart? Well, he's OK, but he's no Elton John.

I definitely think that Dylan comes close....the entirety of Blonde On Blonde is not only a stroke of lyrical genius, but also musical genius.

They are definitely two different beasts, but they both deserve top ranking in any songwriter's poll.

Right on!!!

Yes, what Rab says.

Bob doesn't write music in the way that Brian does (strange chord progressions, harmonies, key changes, etc.), but if you actually listen to the music, it's pretty incredible. Bob, like Brian, has always been one to go on a feeling, and will drastically change the way a song is played on the fly. Blonde on Blonde is a really great example, and has one of the best recorded performances I've ever heard in "One of Must Know (Sooner or Later)", a gorgeous arrangement in "I Want You", and clever chord changes in "Just Like a Woman". Just waiting for that BOB box set to come out...

Anyway, there's room for both.

Absolutely! On the basis of the music alone, Blonde on Blonde ranks as one of the greatest albums ever recorded.

 I never said Dylan didn't deserve to be near the top of the poll, I said I think Brian should be above him.  Some people prefer figs over plums

 

Erm, but when I said that I thought he was really close to Brian, you said that I must be joking.

You and me both! It'll definitely be my favorite of the bootleg series, that's for sure.

Have you seen this (http://www.oxfordamerican.org/articles/2013/nov/12/making-blonde-blonde/)? It's an article a guy wrote after being given access to the Blonde on Blonde session tapes. It's a really great read.

Credence still ahead. Ah well…

 Alright... I admit That I am not a huge Bob fan.... I am a partial fan and I am biased toward Brian but I do know one thing...... Bob Dylan couldn't carry John Lennon's jock strap.

Yet, John would happily carry Bob's.

Fantastic article! That release can't come soon enough...

Currently, it's 80 votes for the Boys... and 89 votes for Creedence...

I made an account (great another forum to waste countless hours at lol) and voted.   :)

I have to disagree with that. The canonization of Pet Sounds and Smile only really took root in the 90's. Every young music junkie has them on their list of "God-like albums". That reappraisal of The Beach Boys took place while the rest of the guys were doing their Full House stuff, whatever, and Brian's elevation was practically carved into stone with the 1993 box set. I'd be more worried about a lot of people over 45 who came of age when Pet Sounds was something you whispered about in dark alleys.

I tried to vote but kept trying to access the site but couldn't, find a place to vote. Went to the site numerous times, WANKER. COM.    Kept getting some weird images............WTF?

Only two votes down.  106 to 108.

Now it's 109-119....

Not registered in that other board, it says I can view votes after voting. I hope The Boys made huge gap forward, CCR being another fave of mine notwithstanding.

Unfortunately, it's now 111-123

Somebody oughta vote 12 times - no, better 50 times to get the Boys to championship. Is it possible?

Good luck trying to obtain the time and patience to make that many fake accounts! lol

You mean it is illegal to vote multiple times for one single poster? Well, that's boring. Serious business. *major air-quoting*

Hoffman's forum poll it's closed now, the best band ever won!!!   ;D

forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/battle-of-the-best-american-bands-of-all-time-championship-round-please-read-the-initial-post.393327/

Another poll... this time it's Bob Dylan vs The Beach Boys.  Let's get those votes in!  And you don't even have to register.

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/bob-dylan-beach-boys-hall-of-fame-round-one/

Oy. The thought of either of them losing depresses me.

It looks like you can refresh the page and vote multiple times, so vote for them both lol.

Those two should be the finalists, not battling it out in a preliminary round.

The thing takes  a L O N G time to load and even though  one doesn't have to register or login to vote...I see no evidence that clicking on those thumbs provided did squat.  I also voted for a few other artists who I feel deserve my support as well...like Gordon Lightfoot, Joni Mitchell and John Fogerty.  And YES I voted for Dennis but to see him ranked in the top 60 certainly smacks of ballot box stuffing.  Stilll...I couldn't help myself...sugar pie honey bunch...no I didn't go there...I declilined to vote for H.D.H...but then I doubt my votes were actually counted. ???

It's an easy pick for me. Bar one or two songs, I quite honestly cannot stand Bob Dylan's music (Mainly his voice). I strongly respect him as a songwriter and lyricist however. But I'll always take the covers over the Dylan originals (with the exception of Knockin' On Heaven's Door)

Rei, you quoted the wrong post. It should've been sth. like:

Anyway, I agree with you. Only that I don't care neither for his lyrics, nor songwriting. Anything, really. There MUST be only 1 winner. We reside where? Right, in the Beach. Boys. Message. Board. So by definition (or is it by default? Whatever) we MUST vote for our band. Izzat right? YES!

My mistake. Fixed it. And agreed that we should vote for our band.

Come on folks get those votes in!  The Dylan fans are killing us!

To be fair, I'm just surprised that the Boys are going as good as they are. They were ahead for a while, and even now aren't exactly trailing far behind. Considering all the Dylan gushers around, and the stigma against the Boys, I'd say we're quite lucky as it is.

Brian being the greatest songwriter/composer of the last half century isnt a question its a valid statement ... I always see Dylan at the top of these bogus lists and its laughable. By the age of 25 brian had already proved to the world that he was the kingpin of the industry and THE advantage he had over mccartney is that brian wrote and produced when the beatles were useless without george martin...and when rockNroll downspiraled commercially after 1967 for the next several years brians focus was producing outside of the group but his contribution was solidified and the purists knew and will always know that his ability could never and would never be topped.

Let's get Brian above #116 for greatest songwriter!  And get Carl and Dennis out of last place!  Yes, I have nothing else to do right now lol. 

http://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-list/20-greatest-singers (http://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-list/20-greatest-singers)