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176  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The Beatles SUPER Survivor Thread!!!! on: May 01, 2018, 11:10:20 AM
Ok guys. This is the culmination of a lot of work and patience. Lets do this. Lets decide what song of all the winning survivor rounds is the song which desrves the title of...
!!!BEATLES SUPER SURVIVOR!!!
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12 smilers voted across 5 songs.

George would weep if he knew 5 smilers voted Eric Clapton's guitar off.  

Vote for which ONE of the following songs is your LEAST FAVORITE TRACK.

Tally on May 3

If I Fell
Help!
In My Life
Eleanor Rigby
Strawberry Fields Forever
A Day In The Life
Here Comes the Sun

Round#1 Real Love March 23
Round#2 Twist and Shout March 26
Round#3 Hey Bulldog March 29
Round#4 Don't Let Me Down April 3
Round#5 Helter Skelter April 6
Round#6 No Reply April 9
Round#7 All My Loving April 13
Round#8 Let It Be April 19
Round#9 I Feel Fine April 23
Round#10 I Want To Hold Your Hand April 25
Round#11 While My Guitar Gently Weeps April 30

I love the way this song is put together. I love the chords. I love the form. I love performance. But....

....it's time for If I Fell to fall...

Past Winners

The Beatles Survivor #1 Winner: TWIST AND SHOUT
The Beatles Survivor #2 Winner: ALL MY LOVING
The Beatles Survivor #3 Winner: IF I FELL
The Beatles Survivor #4 Winner: NO REPLY
The Beatles Survivor #5 Winner: HELP!
The Beatles Survivor #6 Winner: IN MY LIFE
The Beatles Survivor #7 Winner: ELEANOR RIGBY
The Beatles Survivor #8 Winners: I WANT TO HOLD YOUR HAND & I FEEL FINE
The Beatles Survivor #9 Winner: A DAY IN THE LIFE
The Beatles Survivor #10 Winner: STRAWBERRY FIELDS FOREVER
The Beatles Survivor #11 Winner: WHILE MY GUITAR GENTLY WEEPS
The Beatles Survivor #12 Winner: HELTER SKELTER
The Beatles Survivor #13 Winner: HERE COMES THE SUN
The Beatles Survivor #14 Winner: LET IT BE
The Beatles Survivor #15 Winners: HEY BULLDOG & DON'T LET ME DOWN
The Beatles Survivor #16 Winner: REAL LOVE
177  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: I Hear A Symphony: A \ on: April 29, 2018, 10:44:07 PM
I’m curious what you all think if Crumb’s “Ancient Voices of Children”. I became aquatinted with it the same time I first heard Smile and the two and kind of welded in my mind where I found much inspiration.

https://youtu.be/yvpuiI3fGeU
178  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The Beatles SUPER Survivor Thread!!!! on: April 27, 2018, 09:43:21 AM
If some of you guys want to save In My Life there needs to be a more strategic vote happening.  Shocked
179  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The Beatles SUPER Survivor Thread!!!! on: April 26, 2018, 08:12:43 AM
Ok guys. This is the culmination of a lot of work and patience. Lets do this. Lets decide what song of all the winning survivor rounds is the song which desrves the title of...
!!!BEATLES SUPER SURVIVOR!!!
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10 smilers voted across 4 songs.

5 smilers wanted to vote this o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-ff.  

Vote for which ONE of the following songs is your LEAST FAVORITE TRACK.

Tally on April 28

If I Fell
Help!
In My Life
Eleanor Rigby
Strawberry Fields Forever
A Day In The Life
While My Guitar Gently Weeps
Here Comes the Sun

Round#1 Real Love March 23
Round#2 Twist and Shout March 26
Round#3 Hey Bulldog March 29
Round#4 Don't Let Me Down April 3
Round#5 Helter Skelter April 6
Round#6 No Reply April 9
Round#7 All My Loving April 13
Round#8 Let It Be April 19
Round#9 I Feel Fine April 23
Round#10 I Want To Hold Your Hand April 25

I love the way this song is put together. I love the chords. I love the form. I love performance. But....

....it's time for instruments everywhere to weep for While My Guitar Gently Weeps.

Past Winners

The Beatles Survivor #1 Winner: TWIST AND SHOUT
The Beatles Survivor #2 Winner: ALL MY LOVING
The Beatles Survivor #3 Winner: IF I FELL
The Beatles Survivor #4 Winner: NO REPLY
The Beatles Survivor #5 Winner: HELP!
The Beatles Survivor #6 Winner: IN MY LIFE
The Beatles Survivor #7 Winner: ELEANOR RIGBY
The Beatles Survivor #8 Winners: I WANT TO HOLD YOUR HAND & I FEEL FINE
The Beatles Survivor #9 Winner: A DAY IN THE LIFE
The Beatles Survivor #10 Winner: STRAWBERRY FIELDS FOREVER
The Beatles Survivor #11 Winner: WHILE MY GUITAR GENTLY WEEPS
The Beatles Survivor #12 Winner: HELTER SKELTER
The Beatles Survivor #13 Winner: HERE COMES THE SUN
The Beatles Survivor #14 Winner: LET IT BE
The Beatles Survivor #15 Winners: HEY BULLDOG & DON'T LET ME DOWN
The Beatles Survivor #16 Winner: REAL LOVE
180  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The Beatles SUPER Survivor Thread!!!! on: April 23, 2018, 09:58:54 AM
Ok guys. This is the culmination of a lot of work and patience. Lets do this. Lets decide what song of all the winning survivor rounds is the song which desrves the title of...
!!!BEATLES SUPER SURVIVOR!!!
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11 smilers voted across 4 songs.

If I give m y 6 votes to you, I must be sure from the very start.  

Vote for which ONE of the following songs is your LEAST FAVORITE TRACK.

Tally on April 25

I Want To Hold Your Hand
If I Fell
Help!
In My Life
Eleanor Rigby
Strawberry Fields Forever
A Day In The Life
While My Guitar Gently Weeps
Here Comes the Sun

Round#1 Real Love March 23
Round#2 Twist and Shout March 26
Round#3 Hey Bulldog March 29
Round#4 Don't Let Me Down April 3
Round#5 Helter Skelter April 6
Round#6 No Reply April 9
Round#7 All My Loving April 13
Round#8 Let It Be April 19
Round#9 I Feel Fine April 23

Tough to decide for me this week between I Want To Hold Your Hand and If I Fell. (Gonna get tuffer)

Ultimately I voted for the one that had less interesting chords.

Voting off I Want To Hold Your Hand.

Past Winners

The Beatles Survivor #1 Winner: TWIST AND SHOUT
The Beatles Survivor #2 Winner: ALL MY LOVING
The Beatles Survivor #3 Winner: IF I FELL
The Beatles Survivor #4 Winner: NO REPLY
The Beatles Survivor #5 Winner: HELP!
The Beatles Survivor #6 Winner: IN MY LIFE
The Beatles Survivor #7 Winner: ELEANOR RIGBY
The Beatles Survivor #8 Winners: I WANT TO HOLD YOUR HAND & I FEEL FINE
The Beatles Survivor #9 Winner: A DAY IN THE LIFE
The Beatles Survivor #10 Winner: STRAWBERRY FIELDS FOREVER
The Beatles Survivor #11 Winner: WHILE MY GUITAR GENTLY WEEPS
The Beatles Survivor #12 Winner: HELTER SKELTER
The Beatles Survivor #13 Winner: HERE COMES THE SUN
The Beatles Survivor #14 Winner: LET IT BE
The Beatles Survivor #15 Winners: HEY BULLDOG & DON'T LET ME DOWN
The Beatles Survivor #16 Winner: REAL LOVE
181  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Paul McCartney Solo on: April 21, 2018, 08:42:10 PM
One Of These Days from McCartney II is probably my favorite solo Macca track.
182  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The John Lennon Peace, Love, and Appreciation Thread on: April 21, 2018, 05:39:48 PM
Yep. Well said.

John was a complex human being. His life wasn't a movie script. He was at times and angel and at time the devil incarnate. I could say the same about myself, if I am honest. Many of you could as well, I suspect.

"You wanna save humanity, but it's people that you just can't stand."

That is John in a nutshell.
183  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The Beatles SUPER Survivor Thread!!!! on: April 20, 2018, 09:58:31 AM
Ok guys. This is the culmination of a lot of work and patience. Lets do this. Lets decide what song of all the winning survivor rounds is the song which desrves the title of...
!!!BEATLES SUPER SURVIVOR!!!
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8 smilers voted across 3 songs.

4 whispered words of wisdom: "Vote it off".  

Vote for which ONE of the following songs is your LEAST FAVORITE TRACK.

Tally on April 22

I Want To Hold Your Hand
If I Fell
I  Feel Fine
Help!
In My Life
Eleanor Rigby
Strawberry Fields Forever
A Day In The Life
While My Guitar Gently Weeps
Here Comes the Sun

Round#1 Real Love March 23
Round#2 Twist and Shout March 26
Round#3 Hey Bulldog March 29
Round#4 Don't Let Me Down April 3
Round#5 Helter Skelter April 6
Round#6 No Reply April 9
Round#7 All My Loving April 13
Round#8 Let It Be April 19

This week I think my vote will go towards an exciting song, but it fails to come up to the standard the remaining songs have set.

Voting off I Feel Fine.

Past Winners

The Beatles Survivor #1 Winner: TWIST AND SHOUT
The Beatles Survivor #2 Winner: ALL MY LOVING
The Beatles Survivor #3 Winner: IF I FELL
The Beatles Survivor #4 Winner: NO REPLY
The Beatles Survivor #5 Winner: HELP!
The Beatles Survivor #6 Winner: IN MY LIFE
The Beatles Survivor #7 Winner: ELEANOR RIGBY
The Beatles Survivor #8 Winners: I WANT TO HOLD YOUR HAND & I FEEL FINE
The Beatles Survivor #9 Winner: A DAY IN THE LIFE
The Beatles Survivor #10 Winner: STRAWBERRY FIELDS FOREVER
The Beatles Survivor #11 Winner: WHILE MY GUITAR GENTLY WEEPS
The Beatles Survivor #12 Winner: HELTER SKELTER
The Beatles Survivor #13 Winner: HERE COMES THE SUN
The Beatles Survivor #14 Winner: LET IT BE
The Beatles Survivor #15 Winners: HEY BULLDOG & DON'T LET ME DOWN
The Beatles Survivor #16 Winner: REAL LOVE
184  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The Beatles SUPER Survivor Thread!!!! on: April 20, 2018, 09:55:30 AM
Is it OK to change your vote? If so, I'll switch to Let It Be.

It'll  have to do.  Grin
185  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Singers Who Still Have It! on: April 19, 2018, 10:46:48 AM
Hope Sandoval.
186  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Love & Mercy biopic reassessed on: April 19, 2018, 10:17:18 AM
I'm grateful (and surprised!) that such a quality film about Brian even got made.  It's quite an accomplishment.

That being said, I would have preferred that they covered '66 to '71 with Dano playing the entire roll, or something along those lines.  I think there is a cohesive enough character arc in that time period, and you could have still ended the film with that amazing Til I Die montage, maybe as Brian hears the final mix through the floor as he lies in bed.  Dano just did something so special with the role.  Plus, you would have gotten to hear Atticus Ross remix the '68 - '71 material!

But the whole point of the movie was how Brian's life moved towards Landy and (more importantly) how he moved away from Landy.
187  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The Beatles SUPER Survivor Thread!!!! on: April 18, 2018, 06:41:47 PM
We have a tie of three votes each on I Feel Fine and Let It Be.

Next new vote for either of those songs decides the round.
188  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Love & Mercy biopic reassessed on: April 18, 2018, 09:08:30 AM
I 'get' that they didn't have time to go into any in depth anything with Carl and Dennis...but they could have represented them as they were rather than just with 2 random guys who bore almost no resemblance personality or character wise to either brother.

And that 'biop' with Gary Busey as Buddy Holly is generally considered to be so far off the mark that it qualifies as one of the worst 'pictures' of its kind ever.

Along those lines, "La Bamba" is one of the greatest biopics!
189  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: April 17, 2018, 11:23:59 AM
Why is this thread now titled "/"?
190  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The Beatles SUPER Survivor Thread!!!! on: April 15, 2018, 06:06:01 PM
Ok guys. This is the culmination of a lot of work and patience. Lets do this. Lets decide what song of all the winning survivor rounds is the song which desrves the title of...
!!!BEATLES SUPER SURVIVOR!!!
[/b][/u]




11 smilers voted across 6 songs.

4 smilers closed their eyes and kissed away this song.  

Vote for which ONE of the following songs is your LEAST FAVORITE TRACK.

Tally on April 18

I Want To Hold Your Hand
If I Fell
I  Feel Fine
Help!
In My Life
Eleanor Rigby
Strawberry Fields Forever
A Day In The Life
While My Guitar Gently Weeps
Here Comes the Sun
Let It Be

Round#1 Real Love March 23
Round#2 Twist and Shout March 26
Round#3 Hey Bulldog March 29
Round#4 Don't Let Me Down April 3
Round#5 Helter Skelter April 6
Round#6 No Reply April 9
Round#7 All My Loving April 13

This week I think mhy vote will go towards an exciting song, but it fails to come up to the standard the remaining songs have set.

Voting off I Feel Fine.

Past Winners

The Beatles Survivor #1 Winner: TWIST AND SHOUT
The Beatles Survivor #2 Winner: ALL MY LOVING
The Beatles Survivor #3 Winner: IF I FELL
The Beatles Survivor #4 Winner: NO REPLY
The Beatles Survivor #5 Winner: HELP!
The Beatles Survivor #6 Winner: IN MY LIFE
The Beatles Survivor #7 Winner: ELEANOR RIGBY
The Beatles Survivor #8 Winners: I WANT TO HOLD YOUR HAND & I FEEL FINE
The Beatles Survivor #9 Winner: A DAY IN THE LIFE
The Beatles Survivor #10 Winner: STRAWBERRY FIELDS FOREVER
The Beatles Survivor #11 Winner: WHILE MY GUITAR GENTLY WEEPS
The Beatles Survivor #12 Winner: HELTER SKELTER
The Beatles Survivor #13 Winner: HERE COMES THE SUN
The Beatles Survivor #14 Winner: LET IT BE
The Beatles Survivor #15 Winners: HEY BULLDOG & DON'T LET ME DOWN
The Beatles Survivor #16 Winner: REAL LOVE
191  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: April 15, 2018, 03:31:22 PM
I loved it too, but Amadeus is a better film for me.
192  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Favourite TV Show Themes on: April 15, 2018, 12:55:34 PM
Anyone mentioned Angelo Badalamenti’s theme song for Twin Peaks?
193  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The Beatles SUPER Survivor Thread!!!! on: April 11, 2018, 09:09:50 AM
Ok guys. This is the culmination of a lot of work and patience. Lets do this. Lets decide what song of all the winning survivor rounds is the song which desrves the title of...
!!!BEATLES SUPER SURVIVOR!!!
[/b][/u]




9 smilers voted across 5 songs.

4 smilers for No Reply. 

Vote for which ONE of the following songs is your LEAST FAVORITE TRACK.

Tally on April 13

All My Loving
I Want To Hold Your Hand
If I Fell
I  Feel Fine
Help!
In My Life
Eleanor Rigby
Strawberry Fields Forever
A Day In The Life
While My Guitar Gently Weeps
Here Comes the Sun
Let It Be

Round#1 Real Love March 23
Round#2 Twist and Shout March 26
Round#3 Hey Bulldog March 29
Round#4 Don't Let Me Down April 3
Round#5 Helter Skelter April 6
Round#6 No Reply April 9

My next vote is catchy as hell. Has an awesome rhythm guitar part. The bass really walks it! But it's the weakest of the survivors.

All My Loving

Past Winners

The Beatles Survivor #1 Winner: TWIST AND SHOUT
The Beatles Survivor #2 Winner: ALL MY LOVING
The Beatles Survivor #3 Winner: IF I FELL
The Beatles Survivor #4 Winner: NO REPLY
The Beatles Survivor #5 Winner: HELP!
The Beatles Survivor #6 Winner: IN MY LIFE
The Beatles Survivor #7 Winner: ELEANOR RIGBY
The Beatles Survivor #8 Winners: I WANT TO HOLD YOUR HAND & I FEEL FINE
The Beatles Survivor #9 Winner: A DAY IN THE LIFE
The Beatles Survivor #10 Winner: STRAWBERRY FIELDS FOREVER
The Beatles Survivor #11 Winner: WHILE MY GUITAR GENTLY WEEPS
The Beatles Survivor #12 Winner: HELTER SKELTER
The Beatles Survivor #13 Winner: HERE COMES THE SUN
The Beatles Survivor #14 Winner: LET IT BE
The Beatles Survivor #15 Winners: HEY BULLDOG & DON'T LET ME DOWN
The Beatles Survivor #16 Winner: REAL LOVE
194  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Favourite TV Show Themes on: April 11, 2018, 07:20:26 AM
Teen Titans was a good cartoon theme.
195  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Favourite TV Show Themes on: April 10, 2018, 11:54:10 AM
Northern  Exposure and the Doctor Who theme from the 1970's.
196  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The Beatles SUPER Survivor Thread!!!! on: April 08, 2018, 08:14:27 PM
Ok guys. This is the culmination of a lot of work and patience. Lets do this. Lets decide what song of all the winning survivor rounds is the song which desrves the title of...
!!!BEATLES SUPER SURVIVOR!!!
[/b][/u]




12 smilers voted across 6 songs.

When I got to the bottom of this round at the top of page 3 I found 6 votes for Helter Skelter. 

Vote for which ONE of the following songs is your LEAST FAVORITE TRACK.

Tally on April 10

All My Loving
I Want To Hold Your Hand
If I Fell
I  Feel Fine
No Reply
Help!
In My Life
Eleanor Rigby
Strawberry Fields Forever
A Day In The Life
While My Guitar Gently Weeps
Here Comes the Sun
Let It Be

Round#1 Real Love March 23
Round#2 Twist and Shout March 26
Round#3 Hey Bulldog March 29
Round#4 Don't Let Me Down April 3
Round#5 Helter Skelter April 6

My next vote is catchy as hell. Has an awesome rhythm guitar part. The bass really walks it! But it's the weakest of the survivors.

All My Loving

Past Winners

The Beatles Survivor #1 Winner: TWIST AND SHOUT
The Beatles Survivor #2 Winner: ALL MY LOVING
The Beatles Survivor #3 Winner: IF I FELL
The Beatles Survivor #4 Winner: NO REPLY
The Beatles Survivor #5 Winner: HELP!
The Beatles Survivor #6 Winner: IN MY LIFE
The Beatles Survivor #7 Winner: ELEANOR RIGBY
The Beatles Survivor #8 Winners: I WANT TO HOLD YOUR HAND & I FEEL FINE
The Beatles Survivor #9 Winner: A DAY IN THE LIFE
The Beatles Survivor #10 Winner: STRAWBERRY FIELDS FOREVER
The Beatles Survivor #11 Winner: WHILE MY GUITAR GENTLY WEEPS
The Beatles Survivor #12 Winner: HELTER SKELTER
The Beatles Survivor #13 Winner: HERE COMES THE SUN
The Beatles Survivor #14 Winner: LET IT BE
The Beatles Survivor #15 Winners: HEY BULLDOG & DON'T LET ME DOWN
The Beatles Survivor #16 Winner: REAL LOVE
197  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: SMiLE continues to blow my mind. on: April 07, 2018, 04:23:29 PM
Incidentally, I don't know how many people have realized this, but on Surf's Up, the line, "Are you sleeping, Brother John?" is a reference to the French lullaby, "Frère Jacques, Frère Jacque, Dormez-Vous?" The melody of the two lines in the two songs is even the same!
Yeah, and later in the song  they sing "I heard the word, Wonderful thing, a children's song." which I take to be another reference to the Frere Jacques thing.  I read  the following about the song "The song is about a friar who has overslept and is urged to wake up and sound the bell for the matins, the midnight or very early morning prayers for which a monk would be expected to wake."  I found this very relevant: "Martine David and A. Marie Delrieu suggest that Frère Jacques might have been created to mock the Dominican monks, known in France as the Jacobin order, for their sloth and comfortable lifestyles."
Van Dyke Parks lyrics for this song are so awesome.

Surf's Up (my own video expression):   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDn_UPjXZEw

Lots of musical quotes all over Smile. “Long long ago” from Windchimes is another. Not to mention really obvious ones like “you are my sunshine”

Long Long Ago: https://youtu.be/XkFkQXP9W_k
198  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Any Jazz aficionado's here? on: April 06, 2018, 08:59:02 AM
If you're interested in  Jazz history I highly recommend Ken Burn's Jazz series for  PBS.
199  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The John Lennon Peace, Love, and Appreciation Thread on: April 04, 2018, 11:48:25 AM

Gosh, I have now! Here it is. What do we think? Competition for Murry?
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgbVRQOnQk8

And her's the B side...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRlDUeVcTYs

I had never heard the second link. Thanks for digging that up. Nicely done.
200  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The Beatles SUPER Survivor Thread!!!! on: April 04, 2018, 08:56:12 AM
Ok guys. This is the culmination of a lot of work and patience. Lets do this. Lets decide what song of all the winning survivor rounds is the song which desrves the title of...
!!!BEATLES SUPER SURVIVOR!!!
[/b][/u]




10 smilers voted across 4 songs.

5 voters Let Him Down. (5 votes)

Vote for which ONE of the following songs is your LEAST FAVORITE TRACK.

Tally on April 6

All My Loving
I Want To Hold Your Hand
If I Fell
I  Feel Fine
No Reply
Help!
In My Life
Eleanor Rigby
Strawberry Fields Forever
A Day In The Life
While My Guitar Gently Weeps
Helter Skelter
Here Comes the Sun
Let It Be

Round#1 Real Love March 23
Round#2 Twist and Shout March 26
Round#3 Hey Bulldog March 29
Round#4 Don't Let Me Down April 3

My next vote is catchy as hell. Has an awesome rhythm guitar part. The bass really walks it! But it's the weakest of the survivors.

All My Loving

Past Winners

The Beatles Survivor #1 Winner: TWIST AND SHOUT
The Beatles Survivor #2 Winner: ALL MY LOVING
The Beatles Survivor #3 Winner: IF I FELL
The Beatles Survivor #4 Winner: NO REPLY
The Beatles Survivor #5 Winner: HELP!
The Beatles Survivor #6 Winner: IN MY LIFE
The Beatles Survivor #7 Winner: ELEANOR RIGBY
The Beatles Survivor #8 Winners: I WANT TO HOLD YOUR HAND & I FEEL FINE
The Beatles Survivor #9 Winner: A DAY IN THE LIFE
The Beatles Survivor #10 Winner: STRAWBERRY FIELDS FOREVER
The Beatles Survivor #11 Winner: WHILE MY GUITAR GENTLY WEEPS
The Beatles Survivor #12 Winner: HELTER SKELTER
The Beatles Survivor #13 Winner: HERE COMES THE SUN
The Beatles Survivor #14 Winner: LET IT BE
The Beatles Survivor #15 Winners: HEY BULLDOG & DON'T LET ME DOWN
The Beatles Survivor #16 Winner: REAL LOVE
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