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Title: Highwaymen - 30th anniversary, documentary, live boxset
Post by: Rocker on April 03, 2016, 03:23:11 AM
We had this in the Country Music thread but maybe this is interesting as well for people who don't look into that thread.


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The Highwaymen are: Waylon Jennings, Willie Nelson, Kris Kristofferson, Johnny Cash





The Highwaymen Announce Live Box Set, Premiere Documentary Trailer

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/the-highwaymen-announce-live-box-set-premiere-documentary-trailer-20160329



The Highwaymen Unleash Concert Recordings: The Ram Report

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/videos/the-highwaymen-unleash-concert-recordings-the-ram-report-20160330



Here's the official site for the Highwaymen updates:

http://www.highwaymenmusic.com/



And the trailer on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNWXtDRCyBE





Highwaymen videos through the years


Live in Las Vegas (whole show):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAiPsZRZNOI



The hit song "Highwayman" at Farm Aid '93:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwq7NxGQeOw


"I've always been crazy" at Farm Aid '93:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eoDqFnSzVI


"Desperados waiting for a train" at Farm Aid '93:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I84EitWLc-M



Interview on Holmes 1991:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6_FWKLuY2s


"It is what it is" from their best album (imo) "The road goes on forever" on Letterman in 1995:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRVJJp8Vrww


On Good Morning America 1990:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRCCUbwrTec




Johnny Cash & Waylon Jennings - I wish I was crazy again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNvSk0KQOLk


Johnny Cash & Waylon Jennings - Even cowgirls get the blues:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43mCEm5AV_Y


Johnny Cash & Waylon Jennings on David Letterman:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpOyyQXnqiQ


Waylon Jennings & Johnny Cash - Be careful who you love

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZmYvGCQaPI


Johnny Cash & Kris Kristofferson & Willie Nelson - Me & Bobby McGhee:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQKur78Qg1A


Johnny Cash & Willie Nelson - Country boy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqA0_Ge2_UE


Johnny Cash & Willie Nelson - Like a soldier:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHvfgQpCKwY


Willie Nelson & Johnny Cash - Crazy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL_JKHWkl2k


Johnny Cash & Willie Nelson - The human condition:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8dlAbGBlsY


Willie Nelson & Waylon Jennings on Conan o'Brian:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrP6j0O_0hs


Willie Nelson & Waylon Jennings - If I can find a clean shirt:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dGUApAH61Q


Willie Nelson & Waylon Jennings - Write your own songs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXavCs-wSJQ


Waylon Jennings & Willie Nelson - Pick up the tempo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPEItWz_nlE


Kris Kristofferson & Johnny Cash - Sunday morning coming down:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRU9i9egr7A



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Publicity shot for the movie "Stagecoach"


Title: Re: The Highwaymen - 30th anniversary, documentary, live boxset
Post by: JK on April 03, 2016, 03:50:26 AM
When I saw the topic title I flipped somewhat, as The Highwaymen I remember had their big hit in 1962:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDN2qLb2pn4

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Highwaymen_(folk_band)

Rocker, I must confess I'm not a country fan, but I'm glad the genre is well represented here in your capable hands. :=)


Title: Re: Highwaymen - 30th anniversary, documentary, live boxset
Post by: Rocker on April 03, 2016, 06:24:22 AM
When I saw the topic title I flipped somewhat, as The Highwaymen I remember had their big hit in 1962:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDN2qLb2pn4

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Highwaymen_(folk_band)

Rocker, I must confess I'm not a country fan, but I'm glad the genre is well represented here in your capable hands. :=)




Oh man, I'm sorry you where disappointed. I heard about The Highwaymen (the folk group) but didn't think about making it clear in the topic title that it's about Cash, Nelson, Kristofferson and Jennings' group. Anyway, maybe you find some stuff of them that you like. Country and Folk are not that distant in some ways.
Thanks for the compliment!  :)


Title: Re: Highwaymen - 30th anniversary, documentary, live boxset
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on April 03, 2016, 10:04:38 AM
Thanks, Rocker, for the time and effort in assembling those links. They're great! I have to comment on one in particular, and that would be the Holmes 1991 interview. I can't believe the questions that interviewer asked - and got answered! Those "loaded" questions were bold to ask anybody, but to ask those four outlaws? Wow! And, he actually got them to sing (well, recite...) some songs right off-the-cuff.

I like all four of those guys, and years after their death, I still miss Johnny and Waylon. I saw an interview with Willie a few years ago and he was talking (I don't know how serious he was) about reforming The Highwaymen with, I believe, Merle Haggard and (maybe?) George Jones. Obviously that didn't come to pass.

Rocker, I have a quick question for you. As I mentioned above, unfortunately, I "missed" The Highwaymen era. So I just wikipedia'd them, and checked out their discography. I'm assuming they sold out every concert, but it looks like, for some reason, they didn't overwhelm on the record charts. Their first two albums did pretty well I guess, but the third didn't. And, other than their debut single, "Highwayman" (which I do remember hearing), they never had another hit single. That's surprising considering the songwriting chops of the four members; it kind of reminds me of the Beach Boys. Anyway, should have one of their songs done better? Did they save their best material for their solo albums? Was there a hidden gem that should've been a hit?


Title: Re: Highwaymen - 30th anniversary, documentary, live boxset
Post by: Ron on April 03, 2016, 01:31:33 PM
I think it had more to do with the way country music works, unfortunately.  It's all based out of the same record labels in Nashville, and "Payola" is REAL in the country radio business.  Next time you watch a country awards show, watch how careful the act is to thank, quote, "country Radio". 

They'll say things like "Thanks to Country Radio for playing this..." or "We sent this out to Country Radio" they talk about it like it's a conglomerate, because it IS.  Even as loved and respected as WayMore Willie Johnny Kris were, if they were doing things their own way they may have had trouble getting their stuff played. 

Late 80's early 90's was a really, really weird place in country music, too.  There was a LOT of pressure to make the country stuff more adult contemporary around that time.  If you look at the hits from 1991, for instance

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_in_country_music

It's almost completely slow, strange AC ballads by neutered country singers.  There's a little bit of grit in there but not much.  ALL of those songs were played because "Country Radio" pushed them to the moon.  One "f*** You" from Waylon Jennings and the Highwaymen don't get played as much. 

Hopefully Rocker has more insight. 


Title: Re: Highwaymen - 30th anniversary, documentary, live boxset
Post by: Lonely Summer on April 03, 2016, 11:30:53 PM
I remember a feature on Primetime Live or 202/0 when the 3rd album came out; here you have 4 legends of American music, and their record can't get played on country radio in 1995. Kris said he never got airplay, anyway. Of course the programmers were all programming youth, those desire able 25-45 demographics. All those big hat and hair guys we don't remember 20 years later.


Title: Re: Highwaymen - 30th anniversary, documentary, live boxset
Post by: Rocker on April 04, 2016, 09:42:03 AM

Rocker, I have a quick question for you. As I mentioned above, unfortunately, I "missed" The Highwaymen era. So I just wikipedia'd them, and checked out their discography. I'm assuming they sold out every concert, but it looks like, for some reason, they didn't overwhelm on the record charts. Their first two albums did pretty well I guess, but the third didn't. And, other than their debut single, "Highwayman" (which I do remember hearing), they never had another hit single. That's surprising considering the songwriting chops of the four members; it kind of reminds me of the Beach Boys. Anyway, should have one of their songs done better? Did they save their best material for their solo albums? Was there a hidden gem that should've been a hit?


Well, I missed that era myself as I was born in '84. But I can try to think of a few things. But this is all speculation on my part of course and certainly not thought out entirely. Hope what I mean comes across.
As Ron already said, the 80s were a hard time, especially for "legends". You have to understand that they didn't have quite the same status they have now. Cash didn't sell anything and Columbia even went as far as firing him. The live shows were still going strong of course but attempts to make him younger and more hip were unsuccessful. It even got downright ridiculous ("Chicken in black" for example).
Willie had some big hits ("Always on my mind" "To all the girls I've loved before") but I don't think he had many hit albums. Some of the stuff he recorded around this time was really awful imo. Very 80s sounding and plastic. Interestingly some of those recordings were produced by Chips Moman who also produced the Highwaymen albums 1+2 plus had his band on the albums (the erstwhile 827 Thomas Street band). BTW he produced the Class Of '55 album as well, which to me is just as disappointing mostly. I don't know what was wrong. Chips Moman was/is such a great producer and the band is fantastic. But maybe they just were too much going with a mainstream sound. And it would've been cool to have seen Willie and Waylon's guitar chops being used.
Waylon also had big albums but at one point his records also started not to sell very well. Kris, I don't know. I guess he was busy making movies. But as far as his records go, I have no idea.

So in the end, this was probably just a novelty act for many people. The "Highwayman" single was a hit but that's about it as you already said. I don't think the second album is very good at all and there definitely is a song missing that had potential (the single was "Silver Stallion" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU4caMqKssg and it couldn't sound any more like radio). Imo especially the second album was trying too hard to sound contemporary in parts and it just doesn't work if you put a certain form onto individuals whose power lies in their originality. "American remains" is a shameless re-write of "Highwayman".
Interestingly the guys wrote most of the songs on the second album themselves (the first one had a cover of Cash's "Big river") and imo you can get a glimpse of what could've been on Willie's "Texas". But for some reason the production doesn't suit them well and the contrast with the mainstream-songs is just too big imo. Plus each of them wrote better songs before.
The third album is just great. Don Was produced it and it really sounds like Country Music. To this day it doesn't sound dated but as if it was recorded this year imo. Each guy contributed one song. In the case of Kris and Willie at least those songs were new versions of songs they recorded solo. Around this time Don Was also produced Waylon's "Waymore's Blues Part II" album btw.

The 10th anniversary edition of "The road goes on forever" had an unreleased studio cut with "If he came back again" (a song about Hank Williams sr.) and if I'm not mistaken the new set has another one with "One too many mornings". But since Cash and Waylon recorded a version on their "Heroes" album this might be just the old recording with Kris and Willie adding new vocal tracks. This is just a guess, I haven't heard anything about it. Of course it might well be a genuine outtake.
"The road goes on forever" had a couple of songs with hit- and radio potential imo. At that point Cash was hot on his comeback trail. But I think country radio even ignored that.


Gosh, I hope this isn't too all-over-the-place. I just typed down what came to my mind in a hurry because I just got back from university.


Title: Re: Highwaymen - 30th anniversary, documentary, live boxset
Post by: Ron on April 04, 2016, 10:00:36 AM
I can confirm that there was no Cash comeback on "Country Radio" they didn't play any of it.  So while he was selling more, was being played on mainstream radio, had music videos out, Country pretty much ignored him. 

It's very much STILL like that, by the way.  They literally play the same 20 songs over and over again, sometimes in order on most country stations.  Then every once in awhile they'll play a few songs from 10 years ago that were also part of the 20 songs they played over and over again back then...  it's very frustrating.  In a way it's even worse than the pop channels because at least those have some chance that a breakout artist makes it through.

in Nashville the machine determines exactly who's going to make it.  Sometimes that's somebody talented, many times it's not :)  Of course there are exceptions like the excellent WSM 650 out of nashville (AM station) that runs the Opry, they will play anything and everything throughout the day, I've heard "Bro Country", tons of classic 60's and 70's country, live recordings from the 50's and even gospel songs from the 30's played live on the air from that channel.  The Opry will also let new acts that don't even have record deals perform live on the show from time to time. 

Back to the Highwaymen though, I haven't heard all their stuff but you can see how if the record company was pushing them to be more adult contemporary/cheezy 80's country sounding it would completely destroy their credibility with the audience and nobody would really enjoy that music.  Hence low chart positions even if they did manage to get played on radio stations.


Title: Re: Highwaymen - 30th anniversary, documentary, live boxset
Post by: Rocker on April 04, 2016, 10:09:59 AM
Of course there are exceptions like the excellent WSM 650 out of nashville (AM station) that runs the Opry, they will play anything and everything throughout the day, I've heard "Bro Country", tons of classic 60's and 70's country, live recordings from the 50's and even gospel songs from the 30's played live on the air from that channel.  The Opry will also let new acts that don't even have record deals perform live on the show from time to time. 




That's cool to know. I always wanted to learn about current radio stations that I can listen to online that play good country music.




Anyway, I forgot these:


Highwaymen - If he came back again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaCdqWp2jMk


Johnny Cash & Waylon Jennings - One too many mornings

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZboSBga2A94


Title: Re: Highwaymen - 30th anniversary, documentary, live boxset
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on April 04, 2016, 03:11:39 PM
Thanks again for all the links and information, Rocker, Ron, and Lonely Summer. What you guys posted makes sense...unfortunately. The timing just wasn't right for The Highwaymen commercially, as crazy as that seems now, being those four are such icons today. But, I get it; those were different times.

I spent a lot of time the last couple of days listening to and watching The Highwaymen on YouTube, and, for what it's worth, these are my observations:

There is something "not quite right" with a lot of those Highwaymen songs. I mean, it's like they almost make it, they almost get there, but, somehow they do fall a little short. Don't misunderstand, I like them, some a lot, and their voices were still in fine form. I guess I can't help comparing them to the previous "glory days" of Willie, Waylon, Johnny, and Kris. Maybe those guys did, in fact, peak as songwriters, though Willie in particular had a few more up his sleeve - I love "Still Is Still Moving To Me".

I especially enjoy the live performances. Obviously they were enjoying themselves, and they also appeared to take a certain pride in their own individual songs. It's like they knew they were good, but yet still wanted to prove it to each other, and obviously enjoyed the audience's reaction. I think they really liked the adulation, and they deserved it.

All that being said, as I said in my above post, I am still a little surprised that, between those four songwriters, they didn't maybe luck into another big hit. You guys explained how they faced some obstacles, but a great record is a great record. I wish I would've seen The Highwaymen live. I have a feeling I would've gone to see them a couple of times. I was lucky enough to see Willie Nelson twice as an opener for Bob Dylan, and I'm serious, I actually enjoyed Willie's sets more. We don't know how much longer Willie and Kris are going to be around. Willie has had some lung problems and Kris has talked about some memory issues. I think I'm going to purchase this Highwaymen boxed set.


Title: Re: Highwaymen - 30th anniversary, documentary, live boxset
Post by: Ron on April 04, 2016, 08:47:47 PM
Another interesting thing to think about too is, although guys like Willie still tour and do all kinds of stuff and is a household name, compared to super-hot modern acts he's not doing much.  For instance, I saw about 7 or 8 years ago a show locally, probably had 8 or 9000 people there, but it was Willie Nelson, Merle Haggard, and Ray Price all in 1 show.  That's arguably as big of a deal as the Highwaymen were, and there were only 8000 or 9000 people there in a huge market in the south nonetheless (it was in Charlotte, NC). 

So part of it may be our opinion of how big Johnny Cash, Waylon, etc. were is over exaggerated... I'm not sure... it's kind of like Brian, he's a household name and to us seems like what the sun revolves around but at the end of the day I wonder how big of a deal he REALLY is to the general public.  Beach boys music has nearly 100% musical recognition in the U.S. but yet Brian's shows are to 2 or 3000 people sometimes.  And he's fairly reclusive and doesn't tour as often as a lot of acts. 

I just think stuff like that is hard to actually understand and conceptualize in your head... the Highwaymen were certainly big, really big, and legends... but were they bigger than  "Brooks N' Dunn" ?  I don't know to be honest. 


Title: Re: Highwaymen - 30th anniversary, documentary, live boxset
Post by: KDS on April 05, 2016, 06:00:28 AM
Another interesting thing to think about too is, although guys like Willie still tour and do all kinds of stuff and is a household name, compared to super-hot modern acts he's not doing much.  For instance, I saw about 7 or 8 years ago a show locally, probably had 8 or 9000 people there, but it was Willie Nelson, Merle Haggard, and Ray Price all in 1 show.  That's arguably as big of a deal as the Highwaymen were, and there were only 8000 or 9000 people there in a huge market in the south nonetheless (it was in Charlotte, NC). 

So part of it may be our opinion of how big Johnny Cash, Waylon, etc. were is over exaggerated... I'm not sure... it's kind of like Brian, he's a household name and to us seems like what the sun revolves around but at the end of the day I wonder how big of a deal he REALLY is to the general public.  Beach boys music has nearly 100% musical recognition in the U.S. but yet Brian's shows are to 2 or 3000 people sometimes.  And he's fairly reclusive and doesn't tour as often as a lot of acts. 

I just think stuff like that is hard to actually understand and conceptualize in your head... the Highwaymen were certainly big, really big, and legends... but were they bigger than  "Brooks N' Dunn" ?  I don't know to be honest. 

While regarded as legends, it seems to me that country music wasn't really totally accepted by the mainstream until Garth Brooks came around and added some pop-ness to country.  Although his music was country with the tinge of pop.  Now, modern country seems to be pop with a tinge of country. 

As for Brian, I really don't think Brian is nearly as highly regarded among the general population as he should be. 


Title: Re: Highwaymen - 30th anniversary, documentary, live boxset
Post by: Rocker on April 05, 2016, 09:48:28 AM
Another interesting thing to think about too is, although guys like Willie still tour and do all kinds of stuff and is a household name, compared to super-hot modern acts he's not doing much.  For instance, I saw about 7 or 8 years ago a show locally, probably had 8 or 9000 people there, but it was Willie Nelson, Merle Haggard, and Ray Price all in 1 show.  That's arguably as big of a deal as the Highwaymen were, and there were only 8000 or 9000 people there in a huge market in the south nonetheless (it was in Charlotte, NC).  





Oh yeah, that's the "Last of the breed" show. I think it's on DVD and I have the double album (including guest spots by Vince Gill and Kris Kristofferson, Jordanaires on background vocals). It's really a nice album with some very cool "old men country playing" in the best sense. I might put it on right now.



Last of the Breed Highlight Video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7yWBKNbweQ



CD:

http://www.amazon.com/Breed-Willie-Nelson-Price-Haggard/dp/B000NA1ZLA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1459875163&sr=8-1&keywords=willie+nelson+last+of+the+breed



DVD:

http://www.amazon.com/Willie-Nelson-Last-Breed-Concert/dp/B000S0GYMU/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1459875163&sr=8-2&keywords=willie+nelson+last+of+the+breed


BTW guys I just realized that my earlier message was maybe a little misleading. My biggest problem with the Highwaymen albums is with the second. I think that that one was really done wrong and stays way behind it's potential. The first one actually is a pretty good album. Apart from the hit single you can also accept the slick sound. Some highlight to me are "Jim, I wore a tie today" and "Comitted to parkview", both sung by Cash and Nelson. And the last one certainly is a very honest song and something that probably wouldn't be played by country radio. I always have to laugh at Cash's impersonation of a crazy man yelling that he feels "fan-TAST-ic".
"Desperados waiting for the train" actually is one of the first two song I distinctly remember hearing in my life; the other is "Radio lover" by George Jones.







As for Brian, I really don't think Brian is nearly as highly regarded among the general population as he should be.  



I'd say that goes for The Beach Boys as well. After all it was not just Brian who did everything (although he surely was the most important one).









There is something "not quite right" with a lot of those Highwaymen songs. I mean, it's like they almost make it, they almost get there, but, somehow they do fall a little short. Don't misunderstand, I like them, some a lot, and their voices were still in fine form. I guess I can't help comparing them to the previous "glory days" of Willie, Waylon, Johnny, and Kris. Maybe those guys did, in fact, peak as songwriters, though Willie in particular had a few more up his sleeve - I love "Still Is Still Moving To Me".

I especially enjoy the live performances. Obviously they were enjoying themselves, and they also appeared to take a certain pride in their own individual songs. It's like they knew they were good, but yet still wanted to prove it to each other, and obviously enjoyed the audience's reaction. I think they really liked the adulation, and they deserved it.





Willie and Kris certainly still wrote some great songs in later years. But I guess tey really didn't have to prove anything. It's no insult to say that all in all they did their greatest work in earlier decades.


The live shows are really cool imo. They more or less each play their own show and then play some Highwaymen songs in between. I look forward to the boxset. Am wondering if they ever played a couple more songs of the Highwaymen albums than just a couple. If not, it's telling I guess.


Title: Re: Highwaymen - 30th anniversary, documentary, live boxset
Post by: KDS on April 05, 2016, 09:53:13 AM
Rocker,

You're right, Brian didn't do it all, so there should be more recognition for the Beach Boys.  But a perfect storm of poor decisions, poor management, and a long patch of mediocre albums kept that from happening.


Title: Re: Highwaymen - 30th anniversary, documentary, live boxset
Post by: Ron on April 05, 2016, 10:02:37 AM


While regarded as legends, it seems to me that country music wasn't really totally accepted by the mainstream until Garth Brooks came around and added some pop-ness to country.  Although his music was country with the tinge of pop.  Now, modern country seems to be pop with a tinge of country. 


Garth was huge for awhile... I remember at the height of his popularity, just before he did that concert in Central Park that they made a cd out of, he was proclaimed the most successful country singer of all time, having sold more records at the time than Eddy Arnold (who had hits in 7 different decades!).  There was even stories in some magazines about how Garth had a desire to be the best selling ACT of all time, and wanted to surpass the Beatles record sales which he was close to at the time... the live CD was a double CD and was a play by him to get more sales # figures to try to make a run for the record.  He fell short and since then the Beatles have sold many more albums than him...

So yeah I guess he kind of kicked it more into mainstream, but of course where I'm from Country was always a big deal. 


Title: Re: Highwaymen - 30th anniversary, documentary, live boxset
Post by: Rocker on April 05, 2016, 11:15:50 AM
A new DVD box set of Highwaymen performance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFY5ik_1q7c




Title: Re: Highwaymen - 30th anniversary, documentary, live boxset
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on April 05, 2016, 02:23:25 PM
Amazon has the boxed set available for pre-order at $59.98 or $69.98 for Blu-ray.


Title: Re: Highwaymen - 30th anniversary, documentary, live boxset
Post by: Lonely Summer on April 06, 2016, 04:16:56 PM
The Highwaymen did what I'd always wished the Traveling Wilburys had done - play live! I would think, just sitting in the audience before one of those Highwaymen shows, the buzz had to be pretty strong. "We're sitting here about to see 4 of the Legends!" And then when the guys would amble onstage....wow. Wish I could have been there. Will have to check out that dvd set.


Title: Re: Highwaymen - 30th anniversary, documentary, live boxset
Post by: Rocker on April 07, 2016, 09:40:56 AM
Amazon has the boxed set available for pre-order at $59.98 or $69.98 for Blu-ray.


Is there a tracklist?


Title: Re: Highwaymen - 30th anniversary, documentary, live boxset
Post by: KDS on April 07, 2016, 10:23:09 AM
The Highwaymen did what I'd always wished the Traveling Wilburys had done - play live! I would think, just sitting in the audience before one of those Highwaymen shows, the buzz had to be pretty strong. "We're sitting here about to see 4 of the Legends!" And then when the guys would amble onstage....wow. Wish I could have been there. Will have to check out that dvd set.

A Traveling Wilburys concert......just imagine trying to put that setlist together. 

If Roy didn't pass away, you never know. 


Title: Re: Highwaymen - 30th anniversary, documentary, live boxset
Post by: Lonely Summer on April 07, 2016, 05:51:33 PM
The Highwaymen did what I'd always wished the Traveling Wilburys had done - play live! I would think, just sitting in the audience before one of those Highwaymen shows, the buzz had to be pretty strong. "We're sitting here about to see 4 of the Legends!" And then when the guys would amble onstage....wow. Wish I could have been there. Will have to check out that dvd set.

A Traveling Wilburys concert......just imagine trying to put that setlist together. 

If Roy didn't pass away, you never know. 
Even without Roy, it could have been a great show. I guess the closest they ever came was the Dylan 30th anniversary show in '92 @ MSG - Bob, George and Tom were all there; along with Roger McGuinn - at one point, rumoured to be a replacement for Roy.


Title: Re: Highwaymen - 30th anniversary, documentary, live boxset
Post by: Rocker on April 12, 2016, 10:52:49 AM
Watch: Unreleased The Highwaymen Gig


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/12/the-highwaymen-desperados-waiting-for-a-train.html?via=twitter_page


Title: Re: Highwaymen - 30th anniversary, documentary, live boxset
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on April 25, 2016, 05:24:59 PM
A new one from Kris Kristofferson:

 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjchufKhKvMAhUMM8AKHbTiCT0QqQIIODAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rollingstone.com%2Fmusic%2Fnews%2Fkris-kristofferson-readies-new-cedar-creek-sessions-double-album-20160425&usg=AFQjCNG4xM7xPlTVglgCXcl2B661yNDTbQ&sig2=JmhdvHrLMpOm0vN1QYVgPw


Title: Re: Highwaymen - 30th anniversary, documentary, live boxset
Post by: Rocker on April 26, 2016, 10:01:33 AM
A new one from Kris Kristofferson:

 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjchufKhKvMAhUMM8AKHbTiCT0QqQIIODAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rollingstone.com%2Fmusic%2Fnews%2Fkris-kristofferson-readies-new-cedar-creek-sessions-double-album-20160425&usg=AFQjCNG4xM7xPlTVglgCXcl2B661yNDTbQ&sig2=JmhdvHrLMpOm0vN1QYVgPw


Thanks! I posted another article in the Country Music thread but this one is much easier on the eyes.
I don't know what I should think about this. I don't like re-recordings and Kristofferson already did his share of those. How many (if any) new songs are on this album? Let's include stuff he has written but never recorded himself (The Loving Gift).





Anyway:

Hear Two Unreleased Live Highwaymen Tunes From 1990 (Exclusive)

http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2016/04/26/hear-two-unreleased-live-highwaymen-tunes-from-1990-exclusive/


Title: Re: Highwaymen - 30th anniversary, documentary, live boxset
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on April 29, 2016, 02:18:30 PM
Happy 83rd Birthday to Willie Hugh Nelson! Here's wishing Willie many more years of good health and recording and performing. He is a national treasure, one of the last of a dying breed, and his work is much appreciated. I'm going to cheat a little bit here and link a video of Glen Campbell performing "Gentle On My Mind". But...but...but...Willie and Waylon are present and one of the most touching moments of the video is seeing the expression on Willie's face as he admires Glen's guitar solo. And, with Chet Atkins and Roy Clark also in the audience, I'd say there's a little bit of guitar talent on hand. :-D 

Here's the link: https://youtu.be/ETkzK9pXMio     


Title: Re: Highwaymen - 30th anniversary, documentary, live boxset
Post by: Lonely Summer on April 29, 2016, 05:16:13 PM
Happy 83rd Birthday to Willie Hugh Nelson! Here's wishing Willie many more years of good health and recording and performing. He is a national treasure, one of the last of a dying breed, and his work is much appreciated. I'm going to cheat a little bit here and link a video of Glen Campbell performing "Gentle On My Mind". But...but...but...Willie and Waylon are present and one of the most touching moments of the video is seeing the expression on Willie's face as he admires Glen's guitar solo. And, with Chet Atkins and Roy Clark also in the audience, I'd say there's a little bit of guitar talent on hand. :-D 

Here's the link: https://youtu.be/ETkzK9pXMio     
I remember that show. At one point, Glen breaks a string on his guitar, and he asks if anyone will lend him a guitar. Willie lends him his beat up old guitar, which everyone chuckles about, but Glen actually likes the sound of it. Doesn't seem that long ago this show aired, but I guess it has been a few years. Waylon was still here, Glen was in good health....


Title: Re: Highwaymen - 30th anniversary, documentary, live boxset
Post by: Rocker on April 30, 2016, 07:11:35 AM
Happy 83rd Birthday to Willie Hugh Nelson! Here's wishing Willie many more years of good health and recording and performing. He is a national treasure, one of the last of a dying breed, and his work is much appreciated. I'm going to cheat a little bit here and link a video of Glen Campbell performing "Gentle On My Mind". But...but...but...Willie and Waylon are present and one of the most touching moments of the video is seeing the expression on Willie's face as he admires Glen's guitar solo. And, with Chet Atkins and Roy Clark also in the audience, I'd say there's a little bit of guitar talent on hand. :-D  

Here's the link: https://youtu.be/ETkzK9pXMio    
I remember that show. At one point, Glen breaks a string on his guitar, and he asks if anyone will lend him a guitar. Willie lends him his beat up old guitar, which everyone chuckles about, but Glen actually likes the sound of it. Doesn't seem that long ago this show aired, but I guess it has been a few years. Waylon was still here, Glen was in good health....



Oh yeah, you're talking about Trigger! That has to be one of if not the most iconic guitar in the business. It sounds exactly like Willie (and vice versa).


Willie Nelson and His Famous Guitar: The Tale of Trigger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6IB0trJoJU




Talking about Willie and Glen, I just found this completely by accident:


Willie Nelson & Glen Campbell Hello Walls (1969) Columbus Stockade Blues (1970)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I6n88-6hR0



Willie Nelson & Glen Campbell: Just to Satisfy You; with Roger Miller: Uncloudy Day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owxgYKtaW0Y


Title: Re: Highwaymen - 30th anniversary, documentary, live boxset
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on April 30, 2016, 09:27:14 AM
I like those videos with Willie and Glen. It looks like Willie was just "starting to turn" ;D into his outlaw phase. Until seeing some of these videos, I didn't realize how much Glen and The Highwaymen appeared with each other through the years. And, because Glen maintained such a youthful look, it didn't seem that Glen was so close in age to The Highwaymen, but he was. Here's a good one of Glen Campbell with Kris Kristofferson: https://youtu.be/UBbQAtHT-2c


Title: Re: Highwaymen - 30th anniversary, documentary, live boxset
Post by: Rocker on April 30, 2016, 10:49:52 AM
I like those videos with Willie and Glen. It looks like Willie was just "starting to turn" ;D into his outlaw phase. Until seeing some of these videos, I didn't realize how much Glen and The Highwaymen appeared with each other through the years. And, because Glen maintained such a youthful look, it didn't seem that Glen was so close in age to The Highwaymen, but he was. Here's a good one of Glen Campbell with Kris Kristofferson: https://youtu.be/UBbQAtHT-2c



Just remembered this one of Kris and some other singer. In case you haven't seen it before  ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-TlvBzNHcA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A572tyXd1Y0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvMpUMWT9uo


Title: Re: Highwaymen - 30th anniversary, documentary, live boxset
Post by: Lonely Summer on April 30, 2016, 05:47:57 PM
Most of the Highwaymen turned up on Glen's tv show at some point; Waylon was on there probably around the same time as Willie, and there's a very memorable all country episode with John, Buck Owens and Merle Haggard. The network told Glen "that show was too country!" Typical network buffoons.


Title: Re: Highwaymen - 30th anniversary, documentary, live boxset
Post by: Ron on May 01, 2016, 12:54:54 AM
I saw Willie live a few years ago, we're in this big convention center with probably 4,000 people there, and before the show, they had Trigger sitting out at the edge of the stage, unattended.  Basically there were rednecks 5 feet from the guitar.  We kept talking about how dangerous that was, the guitar's priceless and anybody could have grabbed it and probably got the hell out of there before anybody caught them. 


Title: Re: Highwaymen - 30th anniversary, documentary, live boxset
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on May 01, 2016, 06:30:45 AM
Rocker, thanks for the Brian Wilson-Kris Kristofferson link. I had completely forgotten about that performance. It's kind of interesting but you have two of the greatest songwriters ever, and I don't think either one has recorded or performed any of each other's songs.

Lonely Summer, I know the exact clip you are talking about with the Glen, Johnny, Buck, and Merle performance on Glen's TV show. I believe Mel Tillis, June Carter Cash, and Minnie Pearl were on it, too. I'll keep scouring YouTube for it!

Ron, I have a funny Willie Nelson story. A few years ago, I saw Willie open for Bob Dylan in Bethlehem, PA. It was outdoors and the skies were sunny but fast becoming cloudy. Willie came on and kept looking up at the sky as it became darker and darker. Eventually the sky was almost black and lightning as a thunderstorm was fast approaching. Willie was about half way through his set and all of a sudden he went into fast speed. There were obviously a few classics he wanted to perform yet, so he went into these super fast versions of "I Saw The Light", "Always On My Mind", and the closer, "On The Road Again". Imagine turning the speed up on a turntable - that's what the songs sounded like. It was almost funny as it was obvious what Willie was doing, and you kind of appreciated it because those songs were important to the audience, and he wanted to get them in. What was funny was that Willie quickly finished the set, the rain hadn't started yet, and Willie didn't want to leave the stage. He kept walking from one side of the side of the stage to the other, waving and throwing things like his hat, bandana, and guitar pick into the audience. He didn't want to cheat anybody. Anyway, it eventually poured for about a half an hour, stopped, and Dylan performed.

In keeping with The Highwayman theme, I found this video of Glen Campbell performing one of the earliest versions of the song, "The Highwayman". I apologize for the video quality, but the sound is good. From July 1978: https://youtu.be/8iQdKtustvw


Title: Re: Highwaymen - 30th anniversary, documentary, live boxset
Post by: Rocker on May 02, 2016, 12:56:11 PM
Rocker, thanks for the Brian Wilson-Kris Kristofferson link. I had completely forgotten about that performance. It's kind of interesting but you have two of the greatest songwriters ever, and I don't think either one has recorded or performed any of each other's songs.




Which reminds me once more of what could've been a really cool project... Stars&Stripes. My alternate Tracklist features a.o. Kris Kristofferson doing "Forever" or even "Thoughts of you"



Quote
In keeping with The Highwayman theme, I found this video of Glen Campbell performing one of the earliest versions of the song, "The Highwayman". I apologize for the video quality, but the sound is good. From July 1978: https://youtu.be/8iQdKtustvw


Wow! Thank you! I always thought Jimmy Webb wrote it for the Highwaymen-project. Didn't know about this....


Title: Re: Highwaymen - 30th anniversary, documentary, live boxset
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on May 17, 2016, 09:35:22 AM
Guy Clark passed away today at age 74 after a long illness. He wrote "Desperados Waiting For A Train". Rocker posted a video of the song earlier in the thread. Here is another one of The Highwaymen performing "Desperados Waiting For A Train" : https://youtu.be/MpZV1iJ99g4   


Title: Re: Highwaymen - 30th anniversary, documentary, live boxset
Post by: Rocker on May 17, 2016, 10:46:10 AM
Guy Clark passed away today at age 74 after a long illness. He wrote "Desperados Waiting For A Train". Rocker posted a video of the song earlier in the thread. Here is another one of The Highwaymen performing "Desperados Waiting For A Train" : https://youtu.be/MpZV1iJ99g4   



Thanks for the info! Just saw a link on Facebook:

http://www.tennessean.com/story/entertainment/music/2016/05/17/guy-clark-dead-74/80932338/


I mentioned it somewhere in the country-thread IIRC, that song (along with George Jones' Radio Lover) is the very first song I can distintcly remember hearing in my life.


Title: Re: Highwaymen - 30th anniversary, documentary, live boxset
Post by: Rocker on May 20, 2016, 10:09:16 AM
Songs We Love: The Highwaymen, 'One Too Many Mornings'

http://www.npr.org/2016/05/19/478257462/songs-we-love-the-highwaymen-one-too-many-mornings?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nprmusic&utm_term=music&utm_content=20160519


"Fifteen years on, in late 1984, Cash convened the group that would become The Highwaymen while recording a Christmas special in Montreux, Switzerland. A little over a year after that, he released a new "One Too Many Mornings" on his album Heroes with newly-minted Highwayman Waylon Jennings. (The album is notable for, among other things, its cover art figuring the two singers as gunslingers.) In 2014, 11 years after Cash's death, Nelson and Kristofferson — who'd been left at the side of the road for the Heroes version — added their own vocals to the track. That version is now seeing light, thanks to the upcoming box set Live: American Outlaws."



Well....


The 10th anniversary edition of "The road goes on forever" had an unreleased studio cut with "If he came back again" (a song about Hank Williams sr.) and if I'm not mistaken the new set has another one with "One too many mornings". But since Cash and Waylon recorded a version on their "Heroes" album this might be just the old recording with Kris and Willie adding new vocal tracks. This is just a guess, I haven't heard anything about it. Of course it might well be a genuine outtake.




 :h5


Title: Re: Highwaymen - 30th anniversary, documentary, live boxset
Post by: Lonely Summer on May 20, 2016, 05:31:52 PM
I saw Willie live a few years ago, we're in this big convention center with probably 4,000 people there, and before the show, they had Trigger sitting out at the edge of the stage, unattended.  Basically there were rednecks 5 feet from the guitar.  We kept talking about how dangerous that was, the guitar's priceless and anybody could have grabbed it and probably got the hell out of there before anybody caught them. 
I hope he has that instrument insured!


Title: Re: Highwaymen - 30th anniversary, documentary, live boxset
Post by: Rocker on May 23, 2016, 11:05:27 AM
The Highwaymen: The Fights and Friendship of Country's Great Supergroup

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/the-highwaymen-the-fights-and-friendship-of-countrys-great-supergroup-20160520


Title: Re: Highwaymen - 30th anniversary, documentary, live boxset
Post by: Rocker on July 20, 2016, 09:17:13 AM
This was new to me but it was uploaded six years ago. A solo version of "Desperados (waiting for a train)" by Willie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCIkGbloajk


Title: Re: Highwaymen - 30th anniversary, documentary, live boxset
Post by: bringahorseinhere? on July 20, 2016, 09:41:53 AM
hey Rocker,
Willie did a song maybe 6, 12 months back called 'I woke up still not dead again today' after the hoaxes that were going round.
it was properly recorded and uploaded to youtube for a while, but it has disappeared.  There is a live version or two floating
around, but I've been looking for the film clip and studio (bus studio) version of it.
do you know anymore about this and why it's no longer on youtube?
It's a great funny song, and SO 'willie'.


Title: Re: Highwaymen - 30th anniversary, documentary, live boxset
Post by: Rocker on July 20, 2016, 09:54:15 AM
hey Rocker,
Willie did a song maybe 6, 12 months back called 'I woke up still not dead again today' after the hoaxes that were going round.
it was properly recorded and uploaded to youtube for a while, but it has disappeared.  There is a live version or two floating
around, but I've been looking for the film clip and studio (bus studio) version of it.
do you know anymore about this and why it's no longer on youtube?
It's a great funny song, and SO 'willie'.





Here he's talking about that rumour:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atUtqzynbA8


But I don't know why it was taken down. Found this assumption, though:

Apparently the video has been pulled, which is weird because it was originally published by Willie’s Official YouTube channel. Perhaps they decided to get the song ready for sale. Stay tuned.


From this site:

http://www.savingcountrymusic.com/willie-nelson-pens-ode-to-death-hoaxes-still-not-dead-again-today/


Title: Re: Highwaymen - 30th anniversary, documentary, live boxset
Post by: bringahorseinhere? on July 20, 2016, 10:06:39 AM
yeah! I was gonna say it was on his 'Vevo' channel, but I wasn't sure if I had my wires crossed on that.  It's a great little song,
I only went looking for it recently, and found no trace of the film clip or the track whatsoever.  I started having doubts I saw it haha
Thanks.


Title: Re: Highwaymen - 30th anniversary, documentary, live boxset
Post by: Rocker on March 20, 2019, 11:58:38 AM
Rocker, thanks for the Brian Wilson-Kris Kristofferson link. I had completely forgotten about that performance. It's kind of interesting but you have two of the greatest songwriters ever, and I don't think either one has recorded or performed any of each other's songs.




Which reminds me once more of what could've been a really cool project... Stars&Stripes. My alternate Tracklist features a.o. Kris Kristofferson doing "Forever" or even "Thoughts of you"








(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3077/2565631767_ea411632a4_z.jpg)



Title: Re: Highwaymen - 30th anniversary, documentary, live boxset
Post by: Rocker on February 07, 2021, 11:17:58 AM
I remembered the talk about Brian and Kris Kristofferson when I saw this picture of the artists of the Big Sur Folk Festival 1970. It features the Beach Boys and Kristofferson:


(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-gBPqJlBUn6U/T6A8zJvAHDI/AAAAAAAAAe0/xM9fxP5F-d8/s1600/folk.jpg)


Title: Re: Highwaymen - 30th anniversary, documentary, live boxset
Post by: JK on February 08, 2021, 05:35:33 AM
I remembered the talk about Brian and Kris Kristofferson when I saw this picture of the artists of the Big Sur Folk Festival 1970. It features the Beach Boys and Kristofferson:

Vielen Dank!