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[bossaroo]

just looked up cad for fun. it said See Bastard. so i did:

2 informal he's a real bastard: scoundrel, villain, rogue, rascal, weasel, snake, snake in the grass, miscreant, good-for-nothing, reprobate; informal lowlife, creep, nogoodnik, scamp, scalawag, jerk, beast, rat, ratfink, louse, swine, dog, skunk, heel; slimeball, son of a bitch, SOB, scumbag, scumbucket, scuzzball, scuzzbag, dirtbag, sleazeball, sleazebag; dated hound, cad; archaic blackguard, knave, varlet, whoreson.

a bit harsh perhaps? you be the judge.  

[HeyJude]

... Curiouser and curiouser ...

Awesome to see them in the studio together, hopefully working on something substantial. But I'm surprised we haven't had more attempts at captions. Like

"Fine Al, I know Rolling Stone made me look like a d***, so let's work on 'Waves of Love'."

or

"Mike's going to be so pissed when he finds out we're re-mixing 'Summer in Paradise'!"

or

"Are we really going to call this '51 Big Ones'?"

[oldsurferdude]

Damn, Jeff.  

Drunk karaoke time. Jeff is a disaster every time you can hear him on Radio. A "Brian and friends," even including Al, is a disaster. Distinctly articulated solo albums aside (Postcard; The Circle Continues) nothing means anything as we now look ahead --and I am tired of explaining this--except a new BB album. The world is divided into people who believe that and those who don't.

but Jeff is all over the last album. what makes you think he wouldn't be all over the next BBs album?

Mike had a chance to keep the reunion going. to keep playing world-class arenas, to keep making critically-acclaimed and chart-topping albums, to please the fans and his bandmates which includes the man who provided Mike with the songs he sings every night to earn his livelihood. Mike passed on that opportunity.

what does Mike really have to offer a new release? nasal singing and yet another chance to insert the words "fun fun fun" into a lyric? nostalgia, "positivity", and an Executive Producer credit? no thanks. the 50th Anniversary showed us in more ways than one that some things will never change... be it the guys' ability to sing harmony or Mike's inability to come across as anything but cheesy, creepy, and classless.

let's hear what Brian has to say without "cousin Mike's" input. Mike has kept Brian down long enough. time after time. the reunion was nice but let's recognize the genius, the voice, and the virtuosity of Brian, Al, and Dave and let's recognize the endless summer egotrip of Mike & Bruce for what they are. as someone else said: Brian is an artist, Mike is an entertainer. Mike has very little talent to speak of and Bruce has squandered his. good riddance to them both.

they can have Sea World and Stamos. we can have Brian, Al, Dave, superb musicianship as orchestrated by Brian, and more of the greatest music ever written and recorded. and a special guest or 3.

Oh man, I love this post. Thanks for posting what many here believe to be true.

[oldsurferdude]

let's hear what Brian has to say without "cousin Mike's" input. Mike has kept Brian down long enough. time after time.

What does that even mean?

well let's see... Mike has actively tried to wrestle and belittle Brian's creative control for most of the past 50 years: either directlly, in interviews, trying to rewrite BBs history, acquiring sole ownership of the band name, etc. Despite backpedaling, we know that Mike wasn't really big into things like Pet Sounds, SMiLE, Friends, Til I Die, Love You, Adult Child, and most recently the Life Suite... just to name a few. We do know that Mike was VERY BIG into things like Do It Again, Endless Summer, Rock'n'Roll Music, Kokomo, cheerleaders, John Stamos, and playing a show that consists of 95% pre-66 material. Even on the C50 tour.

Aside from Our Prayer being played once or twice, there was no SMiLE material represented (H&V doesn't really count). The SMiLE box was released to rave reviews, huge sales, and an eventual Grammy win. Brian has called it his greatest creation. Surf's Up has been called the greatest song of all-time. Mike knows damn well how popular SMiLE is among the fanbase and beyond but he pretends like it doesn't exist. And he STILL manages to criticize Friends (and other BW works) without any provocation. wtf?

We know what Brian can do without Mike already. From BW88 through Imagination, GIOMH, TLOS etc… Mike's influence through those years has steadily declined and reduced until last year when they collaborated on a new BBs album that went top 3 US.

Mike hasn't really been keeping Brian down much recently at all.

and we know what Mike can do without Brian. and it's atrocious.
the man hasn't written a lyric without the words fun fun fun or good vibrations for many moons now. why is it so important that he be included in Brian's musical vision when he has nothing to offer other than a nasal shell of a voice that was never GREAT to begin with? he has consistently stifled Brian's creative output for decades, and didn't miss a beat when the long-awaited reunion finally happened. And it happened due mainly to Brian's vision, wealth of material, and reaching out to Mike.

as far as we know Mike is not involved in this latest recording project. and if that's the case, we can be pretty sure that Mike is the one responsible for that. those of us clamoring for a new Beach Boys album are overlooking the clear fact that Mike is the one keeping it from happening.

when handed a #3 album, a reunion that brought fans out in droves, and offers to keep playing bigger and better venues... Mike chose Sea World and casinos, Bruce and John Stamos.


the biggest irony is that Mike Love wouldn't be a Beach Boy without Brian Wilson. but Brian Wilson is no longer a Beach Boy because of Mike Love. ain't that a bitch??!!! in that way Mike has kept Brian down for his entire solo career, never mind the petty lawsuits. It can be argued that Mike Love is the reason Brian was forced to pursue a solo career at all.

and yet, somehow, Brian is getting frowned on by some for going in the studio and creating music with a hand-picked cast of amazing players AND Al Jardine?   it's a no-brainer folks. REJOICE!

HOLY CRAP!!! Another fantastic post. Bossaroo, you are THE MAN!! KEEP ON GOING-you've got our full attention! Tell it like it really is out there.

[Ziggy Stardust]

The bassplayer seen with Brian and the others in studio posted this on FB, which makes it clear and obvious:

U know Brian Wilson has written some awesome new songs when u wake up in the morning with them looping in ur head.Can't wait 4 y'all 2 hear!

So yeah, this isn't Brian producing Jeff or rerecording live takes or whatever, he is doing new songs and has Al Jardine + Jeff Beck in the studio.

[Shady]

The bassplayer seen with Brian and the others in studio posted this on FB, which makes it clear and obvious:

U know Brian Wilson has written some awesome new songs when u wake up in the morning with them looping in ur head.Can't wait 4 y'all 2 hear!

So yeah, this isn't Brian producing Jeff or rerecording live takes or whatever, he is doing new songs and has Al Jardine + Jeff Beck in the studio.

And that is why my head is exploding

[drbeachboy]

The bassplayer seen with Brian and the others in studio posted this on FB, which makes it clear and obvious:

U know Brian Wilson has written some awesome new songs when u wake up in the morning with them looping in ur head.Can't wait 4 y'all 2 hear!

So yeah, this isn't Brian producing Jeff or rerecording live takes or whatever, he is doing new songs and has Al Jardine + Jeff Beck in the studio.

And that is why my head is exploding

For your sake, I hope it is not another "Ding Dang" type song that he is doing with Jeff Beck. Definitely not worth exploding your head for that. Maybe just piss yourself over it.

[Autotune]

Does every single thread have to turn into Mike Love backslashing?
Gee, a few fans say they want a new album from the BBs and suddenly we get a list of reasons why Mike Love is evil. I want the Lovester involved, dammit! In full nasal glory; with his bass and lead vocals; and lyrics to some of Brian's songs; and his jokes that crack Brian up; I want these guys together. With all the flaws and miseries they've exposed to the world for years. I Love them as an artistic group; and find them compelling as a human bunch.

[the professor]

Does every single thread have to turn into Mike Love backslashing?
Gee, a few fans say they want a new album from the BBs and suddenly we get a list of reasons why Mike Love is evil. I want the Lovester involved, dammit! In full nasal glory; with his bass and lead vocals; and lyrics to some of Brian's songs; and his jokes that crack Brian up; I want these guys together. With all the flaws and miseries they've exposed to the world for years. I Love them as an artistic group; and find them compelling as a human bunch.

Dr Lenny is on fire, the fire of divine love. He knows. . . he knows. Praise God that the Professor is not alone in his longing. My bet?  soon we will see Dave in that studio and then, eventually Mike and Bruce. The planets will so align.  If I am wrong, I am wrong.

[Nicko1234]

he has consistently stifled Brian's creative output for decades,

Err...you do realise that before last year Brian had been going solo since 1998?

I think you need a rest.  

[Shady]

Does every single thread have to turn into Mike Love backslashing?
Gee, a few fans say they want a new album from the BBs and suddenly we get a list of reasons why Mike Love is evil. I want the Lovester involved, dammit! In full nasal glory; with his bass and lead vocals; and lyrics to some of Brian's songs; and his jokes that crack Brian up; I want these guys together. With all the flaws and miseries they've exposed to the world for years. I Love them as an artistic group; and find them compelling as a human bunch.

It's not Mike bashing.

People like you state your reasons why you want Mike on the record and then we state why we don't. I don't know how that can be interpreted as bashing.

I would love another BB's record but this is Brian doing a solo one, Mike's not needed. Let Brian get this out of his system.

[AndrewHickey]

Does every single thread have to turn into Mike Love backslashing?

Quite. I *don't* especially want the other Beach Boys involved, but not because Mike is the most evil man in the whole of human history or anything, just because I think the compromises involved in making a "Beach Boys" album -- compromises that would be imposed at least as much by record label commercial expectations as by any band member -- would make it worse than a "Brian Wilson" or "Brian and Al" album.

I am also fairly certain we won't be getting a new Beach Boys album either.

But that doesn't mean that those who do want those things are wrong for wanting what they want, and it doesn't mean that a thread about what Brian, Al, Jeff and the rest are doing in the studio needs to turn into the ten millionth "Mike Love is responsible for everything bad in the history of the world" thread.

[Nicko1234]

It's not Mike bashing.

People like you state your reasons why you want Mike on the record and then we state why we don't. I don't know how that can be interpreted as bashing.

I would love another BB's record but this is Brian doing a solo one, Mike's not needed. Let Brian get this out of his system.

You don't think any of the comments in this thread have been bashing???

[Shady]

It's not Mike bashing.

People like you state your reasons why you want Mike on the record and then we state why we don't. I don't know how that can be interpreted as bashing.

I would love another BB's record but this is Brian doing a solo one, Mike's not needed. Let Brian get this out of his system.

You don't think any of the comments in this thread have been bashing???

Not really. When it comes to Mike the truth hurts in come cases.

[SloopJohnnyB]

God only knows how many years these guys have left on the Earth. The same goes for all of us. It's just sad to see that differences can't be set aside for good.

What are the reasons a new album won't happen? Pride? Ego? Money? Hatred? 

Either way I'm glad to see Brian and Al in the studio. I'm sure Dave will be there soon.

When I think of Brian working together with Alan and Dave I can't help but think of Dennis and Carl. Rock on, Beach Boys!

[Ziggy Stardust]

Truth, so many wasted years already.

[guitarfool2002]

It looks like a pack of smokes with a Bic mini lighter resting on top. Or a deck of cards. Whether it is or not, it looks that way. 

[Autotune]

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[Nicko1234]

Not really. When it comes to Mike the truth hurts in come cases.

You know, I don't think Mike is reading the thread to be hurt by it.  

'Bashing' means criticizing. Which fits some of the posts in the thread obviously.

[Autotune]

Does every single thread have to turn into Mike Love backslashing?

Quite. I *don't* especially want the other Beach Boys involved, but not because Mike is the most evil man in the whole of human history or anything, just because I think the compromises involved in making a "Beach Boys" album -- compromises that would be imposed at least as much by record label commercial expectations as by any band member -- would make it worse than a "Brian Wilson" or "Brian and Al" album.

That's right, I guess, if you believe that "Brian does Disney" --or whatever it's called-, and GIOMH, and Imagination, and the live albums, and WIRWFC, which were not polluted by Mike Love's direct input, were better than TWGMTR. To each their own, I guess, but there is a human and historical factor to a reunion. There is a righteousness that places it above solo records and tours. We've witnessed such righteousness last year. It was no fake; whatever it lasted. There's no going back. Damn, Brian knows that when he calls Al to record with him.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

'Bashing' means criticizing. Which fits some of the posts in the thread obviously.

Especially when one of the posts said Mike had no talent.

[AndrewHickey]

Does every single thread have to turn into Mike Love backslashing?

Quite. I *don't* especially want the other Beach Boys involved, but not because Mike is the most evil man in the whole of human history or anything, just because I think the compromises involved in making a "Beach Boys" album -- compromises that would be imposed at least as much by record label commercial expectations as by any band member -- would make it worse than a "Brian Wilson" or "Brian and Al" album.

That's right, I guess, if you believe that "Brian does Disney" --or whatever it's called-, and GIOMH, and Imagination, and the live albums, and WIRWFC, which were not polluted by Mike Love's direct input, were better than TWGMTR.

I think that of Brian's solo albums *of his own songs* only Imagination was worse than That's Why God Made The Radio. Gettin' In Over My Head, Brian Wilson and That Lucky Old Sun were all better. And I don't think the covers albums would have been significantly better if they'd been "The Beach Boys Reimagine Gershwin" and "The Beach Boys In The Key Of Disney".

[the captain]

I think it's cool Brian is recording something again, regardless of what it is (which isn't to say I will like it regardless of what it is). TWGMTR was better than I thought it would be and I'd welcome a full-band effort. TLOS was great and other solo efforts had their moments, and I'd welcome a solid offering of new tunes without the others. I'm not a big fan of the previous "guest star" efforts, but that doesn't mean future ones can't be cool. And of course we don't even know that anything any of these people are doing will end up on this or any album. They may be swapped out, they may be bonus tracks, they may be for non-album tunes or compilation tunes, etc. Who knows? Not us.

I do want to comment on this, after which I don't think I've got anything else to say on the topic.

God only knows how many years these guys have left on the Earth. The same goes for all of us. It's just sad to see that differences can't be set aside for good.

The same kind of "we don't know how much longer we have" can also be the justification for the guys not to work together anymore. If doing something else is what satisfies them, then regardless of what they have done in the past and regardless of what the public, their handlers, the media, or their record companies want, they should do something else instead.

Imagine having an ex-spouse, but having friends and family incessantly badgering you. "It's a shame you two can't work it out: you don't know how much longer you have, after all! You ought to get back together." Well, having a limited time on this planet is likely why you split with the spouse in the first place. Great times behind you, maybe some good times here and there on some civil level continue, but with the limited time you have on this earth, you have decided to move on in other directions. Whatever others think about it, it's your decision to make.

If I were Mike or Brian or whoever, I'd be focused on how I want to spend my limited time on this earth, and that doesn't necessarily mean struggling to get along with guys with whom--despite a tremendous history of making amazing music together--I have regularly battled on a personal, legal, and/or professional level for decades. It might pacify some of the (few) not-cranky fans out there to work together, but frankly, that wouldn't be my concern at that point. My concern would be working (or not working) in an environment that made me happy.

[Sheriff John Stone]

I think that of Brian's solo albums *of his own songs* only Imagination was worse than That's Why God Made The Radio. Gettin' In Over My Head, Brian Wilson and That Lucky Old Sun were all better. And I don't think the covers albums would have been significantly better if they'd been "The Beach Boys Reimagine Gershwin" and "The Beach Boys In The Key Of Disney".

I realize you are stating an opinion, but I respectfully and almost completely disagree with you.

In my opinion, That's Why God Made The Radio is better than ANY Brian Wilson solo album, and on a simple, basic level, the Beach Boys' voices would've significantly improved any of Brian's solo albums.

[oldsurferdude]

'Bashing' means criticizing. Which fits some of the posts in the thread obviously.

Especially when one of the posts said Mike had no talent.

Is "criticizing" against forum rules or has that word now been reclassified as "bashing"? If someone (ie me) says mYke has no talent, then that is how I see it. Is having a critical view of someone is bashing? If a band has several members, there's usually one of those members you like less than the others. If someone posts something critical about that member that you do not care for, is it wrong to add one's thoughts to that thread, or does that violate a rule?