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« Reply #225 on: May 27, 2017, 08:44:31 AM » |
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Is it true Mike wrote the lyrics to 'Mama Says'?
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« Reply #226 on: May 27, 2017, 09:59:38 AM » |
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Is it true Mike wrote the lyrics to 'Mama Says'?
Was it one of the songs Mike got credit for in the songwriting lawsuit? If not, I would say no. Sounds like all Brian to me.
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« Reply #227 on: May 27, 2017, 10:11:16 AM » |
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Did you ask him about the "redwood" incident?
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« Reply #228 on: May 27, 2017, 10:19:40 AM » |
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Is it true Mike wrote the lyrics to 'Mama Says'?
Was it one of the songs Mike got credit for in the songwriting lawsuit? If not, I would say no. Sounds like all Brian to me. Mike was co-credited on every song for Wild Honey (except the cover and Boogaloo) from time of release. Yet Mama Says is a carry over from Smile which, besides GV, Mike had zip to do with. So I think there's definite room to question just how accurate the credits are for these songs.
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« Reply #229 on: May 27, 2017, 10:27:08 AM » |
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Mama says is right from SMiLE and the extent of Mike's input from that project were vocal sessions. Wild Honey seems like BW credited Mike on everything in an attempt to smooth over the drama from SMiLE.
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And production aside, I’d so much rather hear a 14 year old David Marks shred some guitar on Chug-a-lug than hear a 51 year old Mike Love sing about bangin some chick in a swimming pool.-rab2591
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« Reply #230 on: May 27, 2017, 11:20:58 AM » |
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I think it is great that Brian has acknowledged Mike's inspiration of his music!
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« Reply #231 on: May 27, 2017, 12:01:04 PM » |
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I asked Mike, point blank -- no pulled punches -- whether a deal was struck regarding the Wild Honey album publishing, which would list as a co-writer as a consolation for being "shut out" of the the past two LP's. He said that that was absolutely not the case and that he would have never made such a request of Brian.
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« Reply #232 on: May 27, 2017, 12:37:58 PM » |
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Methinks Mike may not be remembering correctly. Do a Lot first appeared Jan 3 in a piano/drums/vocal version as on TSS, right? Probably as a possible Heroes section as it seems all the work on that day was on Heroes. Unlikely Mike was contributing to Heroes lyrically at this point in the Smile saga.
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« Reply #233 on: May 27, 2017, 01:09:52 PM » |
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Frankly, any BB fan that digs 1967 BB music should pick up the Pepper set, *and* any Beatles fan that digs 1967 Beatles music should pick up "Sunshine Tomorrow."
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« Reply #234 on: May 27, 2017, 01:29:06 PM » |
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I asked Mike, point blank -- no pulled punches -- whether a deal was struck regarding the Wild Honey album publishing, which would list as a co-writer as a consolation for being "shut out" of the the past two LP's. He said that that was absolutely not the case and that he would have never made such a request of Brian.
I have no doubt Mike wants people to believe that and either he has completely forgotten the lyrical history behind Mama Says or actually thinks he helped co-write one of the wackiest parts of the SMiLE song Heroes and Villains (soon to be morphed into Vegetables) which is ridiculous beyond belief.
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« Reply #235 on: May 27, 2017, 02:27:16 PM » |
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Frankly, any BB fan that digs 1967 BB music should pick up the Pepper set, *and* any Beatles fan that digs 1967 Beatles music should pick up "Sunshine Tomorrow."
Amen to that I bought the Sgt. Pepper 2 cd set last night and am blown the hell away by the sound. If Sunshine Tomorrow is anything close to that (and I think it will be) I think every fan here will be thrilled. Thanks to EVERYONE who has made this set a possibility. I cannot wait to hear it.
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« Reply #236 on: May 27, 2017, 02:31:39 PM » |
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I asked Mike, point blank -- no pulled punches -- whether a deal was struck regarding the Wild Honey album publishing, which would list as a co-writer as a consolation for being "shut out" of the the past two LP's. He said that that was absolutely not the case and that he would have never made such a request of Brian.
I have no doubt Mike wants people to believe that and either he has completely forgotten the lyrical history behind Mama Says or actually thinks he helped co-write one of the wackiest parts of the SMiLE song Heroes and Villains (soon to be morphed into Vegetables) which is ridiculous beyond belief. From I Am Brian WilsonNow on Wild Honey [Mike Love]'s credited on every song, even "Mama Says," even though that part comes from what Van Dyke [Parks] wrote for "Vega-tables" on SMILE.
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« Reply #237 on: May 27, 2017, 03:10:57 PM » |
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Is it true Mike wrote the lyrics to 'Mama Says'?
Was it one of the songs Mike got credit for in the songwriting lawsuit? If not, I would say no. Sounds like all Brian to me. Mike was co-credited on every song for Wild Honey (except the cover and Boogaloo) from time of release. Yet Mama Says is a carry over from Smile which, besides GV, Mike had zip to do with. So I think there's definite room to question just how accurate the credits are for these songs. Pretty sure Mike's credited on "Boogalooed It", too.
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« Reply #238 on: May 27, 2017, 04:15:15 PM » |
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Is it true Mike wrote the lyrics to 'Mama Says'?
Was it one of the songs Mike got credit for in the songwriting lawsuit? If not, I would say no. Sounds like all Brian to me. Mike was co-credited on every song for Wild Honey (except the cover and Boogaloo) from time of release. Yet Mama Says is a carry over from Smile which, besides GV, Mike had zip to do with. So I think there's definite room to question just how accurate the credits are for these songs. Pretty sure Mike's credited on "Boogalooed It", too. Whoops, you're definitely right.
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« Reply #239 on: May 27, 2017, 07:22:16 PM » |
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I think that it would be great if the four surviving members of the group that recorded WH could get together and do a joint interview or two. I think it would be a nice promotion for the set. Maybe Howie could suggest the idea?
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« Reply #240 on: May 27, 2017, 10:48:24 PM » |
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Could it be Mike contributed to the vocal arrangement and how they were sang/what parts were sang? I'm just wondering because his songwriting credit on Mama Says has confused me as well. Maybe it goes beyond lyrics?
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« Reply #241 on: May 28, 2017, 02:46:07 AM » |
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Could it be Mike contributed to the vocal arrangement and how they were sang/what parts were sang? I'm just wondering because his songwriting credit on Mama Says has confused me as well. Maybe it goes beyond lyrics?
Maybe he came up with "Poof!". That one wasn't on earlier versions I believe
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« Reply #242 on: May 28, 2017, 02:57:24 AM » |
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lol! !
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« Reply #243 on: May 28, 2017, 03:10:46 AM » |
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Could it be Mike contributed to the vocal arrangement and how they were sang/what parts were sang? I'm just wondering because his songwriting credit on Mama Says has confused me as well. Maybe it goes beyond lyrics?
Maybe he came up with "Poof!". That one wasn't on earlier versions I believe Great psycholinguistic contribution, sir - there should be a symposium on this.
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« Reply #244 on: May 28, 2017, 03:24:17 AM » |
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This could be the precedent Mike later used at the songwriting trial in 1994.....
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« Reply #245 on: May 28, 2017, 03:24:36 AM » |
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haha it would not surprise me if that's all he came up with. Wasn't it on Help Me Rhonda. The only thing he contributed to that was the Bow Bow Bow bit
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« Reply #246 on: May 28, 2017, 06:04:05 AM » |
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This could be the precedent Mike later used at the songwriting trial in 1994..... And maybe it was his idea for it to be a capella
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« Reply #247 on: May 28, 2017, 06:36:16 AM » |
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Maybe it was his mama.
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« Reply #248 on: May 28, 2017, 07:36:57 AM » |
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haha it would not surprise me if that's all he came up with. Wasn't it on Help Me Rhonda. The only thing he contributed to that was the Bow Bow Bow bit
Mike has also said he wrote the first line of "Help Me Rhonda".
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« Reply #249 on: May 28, 2017, 10:26:40 AM » |
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Looking forward to the "Mama Says" box set in February.
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