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Wirestone
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Quote from: guitarfool2002 on May 11, 2012, 10:42:37 AM
Rite Aid money? Seriously, how does that tie into this? Is that a thinly veiled critique of some kind?
Sorry, not Rite Aid. Bruce was adopted by the president of the Rexall chain of drugstores.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Johnston
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Quote from: slickman9696 on May 11, 2012, 11:01:16 AM
This means the beach boys are back in the pop world's eye. I mean, who cares about mundane stuff like this on TMZ unless you're back! So congrats beach boys, you've done it!! I wonder who'll marry a Kardashian, or if there's another Love child out there (no pun intended).
By the by, I guess I should have stuck around or came early to the Beacon show. It looks like they were right under the main marquee there.
See, this guy gets it. The only really important nugget in this entire "story" is how everybody there came THIS close to getting an autograph. You other guys totally missed that to go rant about politics...
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TMZ has become one of my addictions recently: If they didn't mock the entire celebrity culture as a basis for their show, and not do these things with a sense of humor, I'd never watch or pay attention. As it is, the other celeb shows that report news about anyone named "Kardashian" with any hint of serious intent or newsworthiness look foolish in comparison to the show which treats it like the put-on which it really is.
So if Bruce gets on TMZ for making political comments, he won't be the first or the last.
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Of course he has the right to spout off. Of course.
He also has to accept that when he opens his mouth and trots out the tired old 'Obama = Socialist' crap, he's gonna get called on it. No more of a boogeyman socialismo than FDR or LBJ or even, shock of shockers...NIXON (EPA. yup!)
Never really liked him. Always considered him an elitist snob who writes wimpy music. There I said it. MY freedom of speech
He just comes across as an out of touch country club senior citizen. "and now...singing his hit Disney Girls...please welcome...Thurston Howell the THIRD"
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Quote from: Wirestone on May 11, 2012, 11:05:22 AM
Quote from: guitarfool2002 on May 11, 2012, 10:42:37 AM
Rite Aid money? Seriously, how does that tie into this? Is that a thinly veiled critique of some kind?
Bruce was adopted by the founder of the Rite Aid chain of drugstores.
Sure, but how does that matter to the issue of him making these comments? Would it matter if he were adopted instead by a band of traveling folk musicians instead of the Rite Aid founder?
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Quote from: Doo Dah on May 11, 2012, 11:07:54 AM
Of course he has the right to spout off. Of course.
He also has to accept that when he opens his mouth and trots out the tired old 'Obama = Socialist' crap, he's gonna get called on it. No more of a boogeyman socialismo than FDR or LBJ or even, shock of shockers...NIXON (EPA. yup!)
Never really liked him. Always considered him an elitist snob who writes wimpy music. There I said it. MY freedom of speech
He just comes across as an out of touch country club senior citizen. "and now...singing his hit Disney Girls...please welcome...Thurston Howell the THIRD"
I have only met Bruce once, but he spoke to my friend and myself for a good 15 minutes before a Beach Boys show. He was very pleasant and displayed a great depth of affection for Brian and the Beach Boys catalogue.
I am not a right-winger and I agree that the "socialist" epiphet is misguided and flat-out wrong, but I find Bruce to be an excellent singer and songwriter, and a pretty good guy from my limited experience.
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I still dig me some Bruce.
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Quote from: guitarfool2002 on May 11, 2012, 11:08:11 AM
Sure, but how does that matter to the issue of him making these comments? Would it matter if he were adopted instead by a band of traveling folk musicians instead of the Rite Aid founder?
As I edited above, it's the Rexall founder. And in general -- not without exception, but in general -- people who are wealthier and in business tilt toward the GOP. Certainly that would have shaped the environment Bruce grew up in, and the political range of expression that he thought preferable.
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Bruce has done two good songs in his entire career: Deidre and Disney Girls. Now that's two more than me, but still... Always been my least favourite Beach Boy.
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Funny that Bruce said that, as I wrote on here a few weeks ago that he would be the type to call the President a socialist. It's a shame that Bruce doesn't understand what socialism is. Because if he thinks President Obama is one, imagine what a socialist forgetful Ronnie Regs is, with his raising taxes and expanding the welfare state. I don't mind that Bruce has his own political views, my problem is that he is talking out of his ass, just like most 69 year old rich white guys who have had a silver spoon in their mouth since day 1.
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Quote from: PongHit on May 11, 2012, 11:04:06 AM
He sounds drunk to me, anyone agree?
I totally agree that he sounds drunk to you.
And what has this all told us? That TMZ is usually correct when they report things.
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Quote from: Wirestone on May 11, 2012, 11:12:19 AM
Quote from: guitarfool2002 on May 11, 2012, 11:08:11 AM
Sure, but how does that matter to the issue of him making these comments? Would it matter if he were adopted instead by a band of traveling folk musicians instead of the Rite Aid founder?
As I edited above, it's the Rexall founder. And in general -- not without exception, but in general -- people who are wealthier and in business tilt toward the GOP. Certainly that would have shaped the environment Bruce grew up in, and the political range of expression that he thought preferable.
I don't want to make this too political and off topic, but that generalized statement is simply not true in 2012 and hasn't been for some time.
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Quote from: Disney Boy (1985) on May 11, 2012, 11:14:23 AM
Bruce has done two good songs in his entire career: Deidre and Disney Girls. Now that's two more than me, but still... Always been my least favourite Beach Boy.
And your screename is Disney Boy (1985).
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I don't think this political leaning is surprising. Unfortunately, it may further the incorrect notion (fed by some of the band's own actions over the years) that they are a "Republican" band. I think Jon Stebbins had a nice breakdown of the best guess as to very, very general political leanings of the band members.
Bruce seems to be the only overt, wearing-it-on-his-sleeve Republican in the band.
I do think it's funny that the whole "ecology" theme they've used to varying degrees over the years, the whole "saving the ocean for surfers" stuff is totally at odds with that political leaning.
I for one think Bruce should do a monologue on all of this at the show in Berkeley....
Seriously, I think once they were hugging the Reagans in the 80's at events, I had to make the decision to either compartmentalize that stuff or potentially not be able to stomach them. So I just ignore it. Not that it matters, but I completely disagree with what appears to be Bruce's stated politics. But I'll still enjoy his show with the BB's. It also doesn't matter to point out that, no, what Bruce said certainly doesn't help me like the guy more.
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Stupid Stupid Stupid. I hope he was drunk because that's the excuse I would use. Everything's going great, Beach Boys getting rave reviews and positive press everywhere, and then boom, alienate a large swath of fans with a divisive reckless comment in public. I've been in email and phone contact with a bunch of people inside the Beach Boys world this morning and there are people who are extremely unhappy with the timing of this nugget, not to mention the word choice. I completely think he's within his rights to criticize and dislike the President's policies and to voice his passion for whatever political sensibility he feels good about. But to call the President an "as*hole" is ugly and can only hurt the Beach Boys which really sucks because they are hitting a home run on this tour. Potential album sales at Walmarts might have improved, but they just tanked at Starbucks. It would have been a good thing to keep this one to himself until after the tour etc...
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I don't agree with him, but I still like Disney Girls and that Surfin' Round the World album KICKS UTTER ASS.
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Quote from: guitarfool2002 on May 11, 2012, 11:21:38 AM
I don't want to make this too political and off topic, but that generalized statement is simply not true in 2012 and hasn't been for some time.
I don't know the exact breakdown of the statistics as they pertain to the general public, but I certainly think that it's worth pointing out that Bruce's economic position may well be directly informing his political positions. As it should, I suppose. He can talk all he wants about it, and he's opened it up for fans to discuss what this tells us about Bruce, if anything.
Like I said before, it makes no matter to me, but it doesn't endear him to be at all either. I doubt he cares who he endears himself to as this point.
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Quote from: stack-o-tracks on May 11, 2012, 10:57:50 AM
Quote from: Disney Boy (1985) on May 11, 2012, 10:45:59 AM
My own personal opinion: Bruce is talking out of his arse, as are most Obama-haters in general. (He wants to get free healthcare available for the poor eh? Gee,
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a socialist scumbag! What's that? He supports gay marriage? Well what a
lousy
president he is! I mean, can't he just stick to starting wars and cutting taxes for the rich...)
But anyway.. more generally Bruce's reported remarks are unhelpful as they reinforce the not-entirely-accurate assumption that the BB's are a bunch of right-wingers.
Not tryna get political, but how can Obama hand out free healthcare when medical costs are one of the biggest expenses our country? Last I heard he was trying to force everybody to pay for insurance, which one: is a scam, and two: millions of people can't afford.
It's easy. We do it over here in the UK: It's called the NHS. It's really not difficult and it means everyone is treated equally regardless of wealth. Obama's health reforms may not lead to the US getting free NHS-style healthcare but hopefully it'll be something almost as good. Insurance isn't a scam, it works well. (Of course the NHS over here in Blighty might not stay great for long if the Tories screw it up as many fear they're about too, but hey ho...)
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Quote from: Jon Stebbins on May 11, 2012, 11:30:16 AM
Stupid Stupid Stupid. I hope he was drunk because that's the excuse I would use. Everything's going great, Beach Boys getting rave reviews and positive press everywhere, and then boom, alienate a large swath of fans with a divisive reckless comment in public. I've been in email and phone contact with a bunch of people inside the Beach Boys world this morning and there are people who are extremely unhappy with the timing of this nugget, not to mention the word choice. I completely think he's within his rights to criticize and dislike the President's policies and to voice his passion for whatever political sensibility he feels good about. But to call the President an "as*hole" is ugly and can only hurt the Beach Boys which really sucks because they are hitting a home run on this tour. Potential album sales at Walmarts might have improved, but they just tanked at Starbucks. It would have been a good thing to keep this one to himself until after the tour etc...
Well put, Mr. Stebbins. We can only hope this will not dog them throughout the tour. As you say, whether one agrees with it or not, it takes the focus off the great music they're making.
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Yep. A rich elitist Conservative snob who writes wimpy music. Who walks across the stage smiling and clapping his hands in his cute white shorts.
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Quote from: Ziggy Stardust on May 11, 2012, 11:26:53 AM
Quote from: Disney Boy (1985) on May 11, 2012, 11:14:23 AM
Bruce has done two good songs in his entire career: Deidre and Disney Girls. Now that's two more than me, but still... Always been my least favourite Beach Boy.
And your screename is Disney Boy (1985).
Yeah, it seemed amusing at the time... And i really do like the track itself, if not particuarly the bloke, his politics or the rest of his music career.
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I really think he only thought he was talking to the few people there and that it wasn't being filmed and it wasn't going to go on the internet.
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Quote from: guitarfool2002 on May 11, 2012, 11:21:38 AM
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Quote from: guitarfool2002 on May 11, 2012, 11:08:11 AM
Sure, but how does that matter to the issue of him making these comments? Would it matter if he were adopted instead by a band of traveling folk musicians instead of the Rite Aid founder?
As I edited above, it's the Rexall founder. And in general -- not without exception, but in general -- people who are wealthier and in business tilt toward the GOP. Certainly that would have shaped the environment Bruce grew up in, and the political range of expression that he thought preferable.
I don't want to make this too political and off topic, but that generalized statement is simply not true in 2012 and hasn't been for some time.
It is still quite true. I'm not saying there aren't rich liberals; there are many, and they are quite rich. I am talking about averages. And it continues to be true that the wealthier you are (and white), the more likely you are to be a Republican. This is borne out by repeated survey data.
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/08/republicans-still-the-party-of-the-rich/
http://www.people-press.org/2009/05/21/section-1-party-affiliation-and-composition/
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Gross.
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Perhaps BJ should offer some statement to the press, saying something to the effect that he regrets mouthing off. It's never good to curse out a political figure, as it diminished the worth of your critique; name calling is not viable political discourse from either side. We all speak in folly from time to time; publicly to acknowledge the peril of doing so and the unintended chances of alienating and distracting is always wise; he need not withdraw the critique per se nor "flip-flop" politically. Just say that it was a stupid thing to say, which it was, for all the reasons John cites. It would have been stupid if he called Romney or Bush or Palin the same names too.
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