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Title: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: nobody is a chode on August 17, 2010, 12:09:35 PM Andrew Locke Hi Brian, your music is an inspiration! My question is: in the late 70s you played around a lot with a Moog synth you owned. One of my favorite albums ever is "The Beach Boys Love You" mostly because of all the amazing Moog baselines you put in all the songs. Have you ever considered working on new music that incorporated some of those weirder textures and different instruments? Brian Wilson Andrew: yeah, I would defintitely consider it - i love that instrument[/b] Well, oh my, oh gosh, oh gee... Let us begin. I dig the Gershwin album, alright. But we all know Brian sold his soul to the psychedelic devil many trips ago. In return, he gained the closely guarded esoteric knowledge of how to make genius space pop on synthesizers. This knowledge has been neglected and put in a sock drawer to waste for far too long. That Lucky Old Sun? Get the f*** outta here. Gimme some Funky Pretty anyday, anyway. In the same exact way the Beach Boys were pigeonholed into being an oldies act, you people have pigeonholed Brian into being "that Pet Sounds guy" who makes records like that. So Paul von Mertens (what is he, from Transylvania or something?) makes everything sound like it's 1966 again. f*** that noise, jack. Gimme some Roller Skating Child ! - the greatest single never released. Check out Brian grooving away on bass to that live in 1978. You'll never see that for the Gershwin material or That Ssucky Old Sun. Gimme some Solar System ! - not "duplicate the universe". So here's what I propose. Brian fires everyone in his band and divorces Melinda. At the same time, Marilyn divorces her husband and she and Brian move into a home together like the good old days. To cement their rekindled love (as in "Forever She'll Be My Surfer Girl"), Marilyn buys Brian a new home studio with tons of synthesizers and moogs and all sorts of groovy sh*t. Daily, she makes a tray of sandwiches with a side of hash joints, LSD blotters, mountains of snowy white cocaine, a few vials of ketamine, and a truckload of whipped cream cans. Also spending time at the house is Marilyn's eleven year old genetic clone. Brian gets the inspiration. He starts recording. One month later we have Love You II. Not an imitation, something far beyond that. It's the culmination of Western music. It's Bach on LSD in another galaxy. It's Mozart on coke in his underwear and birthday cake in his beard. Which reminds me, right after firing the band and woman, Brian also throws away his razor and grows back his beard. Within each follicle of beard hair lies a MONA, a JOHNNY CARSON, each encoded into his DNA. Don't dismiss this idea right away. Give it some time to gestate in your mind. Take it, one little inch at a time now, till we're feeling fine now. Somebody please send a link to this thread to Brian - and to BRIAN, not his prison guards. Drop it by helicopter as he's sunning himself by the pool if you have to. Just get it to him! (http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/8749/brianwilson003.jpg) (http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/4916/2552673054fe2638fb6d.jpg) Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: Shady on August 17, 2010, 12:11:31 PM Brilliant
Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: summerinparadise.flac on August 17, 2010, 12:22:17 PM An old ass man smokes a fat kush joint and falls asleep as a message board waits patientally. Waking, he raises a mighty paw and slams it on a moog while both farting and burping.
The reviews come in. "A return to form, his best since he recorded the great album Pet Sounds (one of the greatest album my ears has heard)." "Mr. Wilson combines the artistry of lo-fi heroes like Jandek with his signature surf sound. This baddies a Surf Noir hit and quirky too". Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: Menace Wilson on August 17, 2010, 12:24:21 PM Best first post ever(?).
Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: nobody is a chode on August 17, 2010, 12:24:27 PM An old ass man smokes a fat kush joint and falls asleep as a message board waits patientally. Waking, he raises a mighty paw and slams it on a moog while both farting and burping. The reviews come in. "A return to form, his best since he recorded the great album Pet Sounds (one of the greatest album my ears has heard)." "Mr. Wilson combines the artistry of lo-fi heroes like Jandek with his signature surf sound. This baddies a Surf Noir hit and quirky too". Umm, hello??? Brian's not "an old ass man". Don't you know "it's just a state of mind"??? Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: summerinparadise.flac on August 17, 2010, 12:27:03 PM An old ass man smokes a fat kush joint and falls asleep as a message board waits patientally. Waking, he raises a mighty paw and slams it on a moog while both farting and burping. The reviews come in. "A return to form, his best since he recorded the great album Pet Sounds (one of the greatest album my ears has heard)." "Mr. Wilson combines the artistry of lo-fi heroes like Jandek with his signature surf sound. This baddies a Surf Noir hit and quirky too". Umm, hello??? Brian's not "an old ass man". Don't you know "it's just a state of mind"??? Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on August 17, 2010, 12:27:34 PM What the hell?
Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: nobody is a chode on August 17, 2010, 12:29:33 PM What the hell? It might sound extreme, but consider this - Jeff Foskett HATES Love You. How can anyone hate Love You? That's like hating puppies, children, all things good on God's green and blue psychedelic earth. Jeff Foskett has no soul. The sooner he's out of the band, the better. Darian might be able to stay, on one condition - he trips on LSD with Brian several times. Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: Alex on August 17, 2010, 12:35:05 PM YES!!! YES!!!! YES!!!!! Who needs Gershwin when you've got Moogs, beards, and bathrobes!!!!! "To get you babe I went through the ringerrrr..." "Ding! Dang! Whoo! Ding and a ding dong!!" At least Al had the sense to put Honkin' Down The Highway on his new record. :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: Jason on August 17, 2010, 12:35:27 PM David Leaf hates Love You too, so what's your point? Lay off the hookah.
Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: nobody is a chode on August 17, 2010, 12:37:23 PM David Leaf hates Love You too, so what's your point? Lay off the hookah. How about you lay off the moderator ego? Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: Shady on August 17, 2010, 12:48:55 PM Thank god the night is so young
Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: Jason on August 17, 2010, 12:50:15 PM I think, in the grand scheme of Beach Boys fandom, you'll learn that Love You is rarely enjoyed by the people close to the band. A lot of the old guard fans don't get into it either.
I'm sure you know that Brian has no say in his setlists in concert. That's dictated by the BRIAN WILSON PROMOTIONAL MACHINE. If Brian had his say, we'd have had a Love You tour before a Pet Sounds tour. I'm just saying, maybe you should just have the entire fanbase close to Brian doused in Agent Orange, perhaps? Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: Alex on August 17, 2010, 12:51:39 PM Took me a while to really get into it...but now I listen to it 10 times as much as I do PS or SMiLE.
Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: nobody is a chode on August 17, 2010, 12:53:12 PM I understand that Love You is not understood or even liked by many people close to Brian or the "promotional machine", and this is exactly why I say - f*** all of them, fire their asses until they CRAVE that album.
Hating Love You is like hating Smiley, Honey, Friends, Pied Piper... i.e., everything the real Brian stood for when he wasn't making music to storm the charts. Love You is a real desert island album. Not that Pet Sounds trash. Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: Jason on August 17, 2010, 12:56:02 PM Hey man, as far as I'm concerned, if people are gonna hate on Smiley Smile and Love You in my presence, well, we're gonna have to get a referee because there'll be a deathmatch. Those two albums are the best examples of the "Brian Wilson is a genius" myth.
Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: nobody is a chode on August 17, 2010, 12:57:16 PM Hey man, as far as I'm concerned, if people are gonna hate on Smiley Smile and Love You in my presence, well, we're gonna have to get a referee because there'll be a deathmatch. Those two albums are the best examples of the "Brian Wilson is a genius" myth. Myth? You've heard Wind Chiiiiiiiiiiimes, right? I mean, really heard it? Ain't no myth man, it's cold hard fact. Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: Wirestone on August 17, 2010, 12:57:32 PM Quote I'm sure you know that Brian has no say in his setlists in concert. This simply isn't true. He has personally been responsible for the introduction -- and deletion -- of several songs since he started touring. Sure, I doubt he makes up the master setlists. But to say he has no input is incorrect. Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: SloopJohnB on August 17, 2010, 01:14:52 PM I'm still hoping Brian will release a "rock'n'roll album", and I'd like it to be "Love You, Vol. II (Brian Unleashed!)". But with the wife-and-managers, that's not going to happen.
Also, this thread has potential. Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: drbeachboy on August 17, 2010, 01:19:29 PM I come from the old stock of Beach Boys fandom and I have enjoyed "The Beach Boys Love You" from the very day of its release in 1977. It is pure, simple genius. As far as listening to it, I place it right there with "The Beach Boys Today!" and "Sunflower".
Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: gsmile on August 17, 2010, 01:21:40 PM Hating Love You is like hating Smiley, Honey, Friends, Pied Piper... i.e., everything the real Brian stood for when he wasn't making music to storm the charts. YES. I think that's why I loved TLOS so much: sure the shoehorned "autobiographical" narrative weaved through the tracks, but remove that and VDP penned monologues and the "concept" totally falls apart. What we're left with however is several low-key Brian Wilson songs that very much remind me of the best elements of Wild Honey, Friends and even Love You. Both "Good Kind of Love" and "Live Let Live" swing to the same light beat as the Friends LP. "Oxygen To The Brian" is pure Love You/Adult Child self therapy, the aftermath of the earlier optimism of "H.E.L.P. Is On It's Way" and distant cousins of "Too Much Sugar" and "He Couldn't Get His Poor Body to Move". "Midnight Is Another Day" seems to be the light at the end of the tunnel flip side of "Til I Die". "Mexican Girl" is a G rated take on the obsessive romanticism of Love You's "Mona" or the naively lewd "Hey Little Tomboy", right down to the dorky organ stabs in the verses. I'm also not a subscriber to the "Pet Sounds" as Brian's ultimate accomplishment musically. Sure it's an excellent album, and completely revolutionary in terms of applying jazz chords and orchestration to rock music. But for some reason, these days I am also drawn more to Brian's more "modest moments". The chilled-out R&B of Wild Honey. The quiet meditation of health and nature in Friends. Desperately childlike romantic pleas of Love You. Mr. Burr, I am with you. VOTE MOOG! Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: Wirestone on August 17, 2010, 01:25:46 PM Love You is brilliant, and one of my favorite BB albums. It's not perfect (and has a lot of finish work done by Carl, too). There are some seriously underwritten songs, and some seriously slapdash performances.
I think a tour would do a lot to reclaim the material. Bring in a few more players, and write a bridge to Mona. Then I'm good. And totally in agreement on TLOS. Even more so on the bonus tracks, including "Just Like Me and You," which has this ridiculous synth "solo" that seems to be played with Brian's feet. Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: Jason on August 17, 2010, 02:09:08 PM Hey man, as far as I'm concerned, if people are gonna hate on Smiley Smile and Love You in my presence, well, we're gonna have to get a referee because there'll be a deathmatch. Those two albums are the best examples of the "Brian Wilson is a genius" myth. Myth? You've heard Wind Chiiiiiiiiiiimes, right? I mean, really heard it? Ain't no myth man, it's cold hard fact. Man, I was listening to Wind Chimes when you were still on training wheels! (kidding) My relationship with the statement "Brian Wilson is a genius" is a storied one. It's also that way for Brian himself. Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: summerinparadise.flac on August 17, 2010, 02:09:32 PM The demos of TLOS were even more Love You than the finished product. Speaking of which, if anyone has the demos still I need someone to Punch My ass.
Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: rogerlancelot on August 17, 2010, 02:50:53 PM I listened to Love You a few nights ago and still can't get "I'd Love To Pick You Up" out of my head. I think I'll record a cover of "Airplane" when I get home for the fun of it. I'll share it of course.
Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: nobody is a chode on August 17, 2010, 02:51:37 PM The demos of TLOS were even more Love You than the finished product. Speaking of which, if anyone has the demos still I need someone to Punch My ass. True, but they sorely lack the coked-out brilliance of Love You. What drugs is Brian on these days - antidepressants? You can't make good cosmic rock n roll on antidepressants! I come from the old stock of Beach Boys fandom and I have enjoyed "The Beach Boys Love You" from the very day of its release in 1977. It is pure, simple genius. As far as listening to it, I place it right there with "The Beach Boys Today!" and "Sunflower". Right on man. Quote Man, I was listening to Wind Chimes when you were still on training wheels! (kidding) My relationship with the statement "Brian Wilson is a genius" is a storied one. It's also that way for Brian himself. I guess I'm just easy to please. I don't hear the Beatles doing anything like Wiiiiiiiind Chiiiiiiimes or Wonderful (which knocked She's Leaving Home cold when Brian played it for Paul). Sgt. Pepper is coked out psychedelia, British style - Smiley Smile is huffed whipped cream cans, joints, and LSd, Californian style. But oh no, people love Paul Mccartney's first album ... but no one's heard of Wild Honey. Where is the justice in the world? Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: Myk Luhv on August 17, 2010, 02:57:34 PM I sometimes have days where I think Love You is better than Pet Sounds and I'm not sure if this is me being completely honest or batshit insane...
Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: rogerlancelot on August 17, 2010, 03:14:19 PM I personally prefer McCartney's first album over Wild Honey but only because I grew up on McCartney and only got my SS/WH two-fer 11 years ago. I also prefer SS over WH. Love You is an all together different beast from Pet Sounds. I love both on an equal level and I consider them peaks in the BB years. Oddly enough I usually find myself listening to Pet Sounds in the summer and Love You in the winter but not always necessarily so. Come to think of it, I play them both a LOT! I'm just rambling and I need to get out the door into the 109 degree weather here in Las Vegas.
Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: b00ts on August 17, 2010, 03:18:21 PM I'll throw my hat in the ring with the "Love You" lovers. It is an amazing album. I have not had great luck turning others on to it, for obvious reasons; it is certainly an album for people who are already fans of Brian's. I agree with the posters who pine for a modern day "Brian Loves You." "Message Man" and "Just Like Me and You" certainly have that flavor to them.
For those close to Brian, perhaps "Beach Boys Love You" represents Brian's mental illness to such an extent that they find it uncomfortable. In Foskett's case, it seems as if he also is a fan of slicker production than can be found on "Love You." It's basically a small miracle that "Love You" was released at all, isn't it? Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: hypehat on August 17, 2010, 03:18:37 PM I sometimes have days where I think Love You is better than Pet Sounds and I'm not sure if this is me being completely honest or batshit insane... +1 Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: nobody is a chode on August 17, 2010, 03:19:15 PM I personally prefer McCartney's first album over Wild Honey but only because I grew up on McCartney and only got my SS/WH two-fer 11 years ago. I also prefer SS over WH. Love You is an all together different beast from Pet Sounds. I love both on an equal level and I consider them peaks in the BB years. Oddly enough I usually find myself listening to Pet Sounds in the summer and Love You in the winter but not always necessarily so. Come to think of it, I play them both a LOT! I'm just rambling and I need to get out the door into the 109 degree weather here in Las Vegas. Yeah but Paul never ROCKS like the Beach Boys do on Wild Honey. Jim Morrison liked Wild Honey for a REASON. Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: Rob Dean on August 17, 2010, 03:20:25 PM I come from the old stock of Beach Boys fandom and I have enjoyed "The Beach Boys Love You" from the very day of its release in 1977. It is pure, simple genius. As far as listening to it, I place it right there with "The Beach Boys Today!" and "Sunflower". Totally agree ................................................... GREAT Album , and the bass lines are superb Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: phirnis on August 17, 2010, 03:42:09 PM There are times when I listen to Love You on a daily basis. :afro
Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: summerinparadise.flac on August 17, 2010, 03:59:13 PM Love You is great but I enjoyed it alot more when I was more of a Brianista. I can't go as far to say that its better than Pet Sounds. I'd say its slightly better than the Adult/Child stuff.
That said, the ballads are perfect Brian Wilson songs. Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: rogerlancelot on August 17, 2010, 05:48:30 PM I personally prefer McCartney's first album over Wild Honey but only because I grew up on McCartney and only got my SS/WH two-fer 11 years ago. I also prefer SS over WH. Love You is an all together different beast from Pet Sounds. I love both on an equal level and I consider them peaks in the BB years. Oddly enough I usually find myself listening to Pet Sounds in the summer and Love You in the winter but not always necessarily so. Come to think of it, I play them both a LOT! I'm just rambling and I need to get out the door into the 109 degree weather here in Las Vegas. Yeah but Paul never ROCKS like the Beach Boys do on Wild Honey. Jim Morrison liked Wild Honey for a REASON. What??? Paul never ROCKS like Wild Honey??? :lol I like "Aren't You Glad", "Let The Wind Blow", "Darlin'" and "Country Air" but I sometimes skip the whole album on my twofer and jump from Smiley Smile to the bonus tracks. Wild Honey to me shows that the Beach Boys just didn't have the chops to play as a self-contained band. That probably won't be a very popular statement here but it is one I truly believe in, so there! IT BURNS!!! [attachment deleted by admin] Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: Don_Zabu on August 17, 2010, 06:05:04 PM I'm not gonna lie: the only way I can really enjoy Love You is by speeding up the tempo and beefing up the bass in Audacity. Once you hear it like that, the regular album sounds like it's in slow motion.
Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: nobody is a chode on August 17, 2010, 06:11:55 PM I personally prefer McCartney's first album over Wild Honey but only because I grew up on McCartney and only got my SS/WH two-fer 11 years ago. I also prefer SS over WH. Love You is an all together different beast from Pet Sounds. I love both on an equal level and I consider them peaks in the BB years. Oddly enough I usually find myself listening to Pet Sounds in the summer and Love You in the winter but not always necessarily so. Come to think of it, I play them both a LOT! I'm just rambling and I need to get out the door into the 109 degree weather here in Las Vegas. Yeah but Paul never ROCKS like the Beach Boys do on Wild Honey. Jim Morrison liked Wild Honey for a REASON. What??? Paul never ROCKS like Wild Honey??? :lol I like "Aren't You Glad", "Let The Wind Blow", "Darlin'" and "Country Air" but I sometimes skip the whole album on my twofer and jump from Smiley Smile to the bonus tracks. Wild Honey to me shows that the Beach Boys just didn't have the chops to play as a self-contained band. That probably won't be a very popular statement here but it is one I truly believe in, so there! IT BURNS!!! Strange, the "self-contained" band thing is one main reason why I dig Honey so much - I'm listening to Country Air right now. Love that live version from 1970 or whenever too. Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: nobody is a chode on August 17, 2010, 06:12:54 PM I'm not gonna lie: the only way I can really enjoy Love You is by speeding up the tempo and beefing up the bass in Audacity. Once you hear it like that, the regular album sounds like it's in slow motion. I also beef up the bass on every Beach Boys/BW thing I listen to. I raise the bass and mids. All their records sound sort of flat to me without significant EQing on my part. Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: rogerlancelot on August 17, 2010, 07:00:43 PM "Country Air" is a great song and there is the nice live version from Big Sur 1970. But I feel the Beach Boys always benefited from an augmented line up in concert. Listen to anything live from 1968 on and compare it to say the late '67 shows on A Vocal Harmony. I will say that Dennis became a kick-ass drummer by 1980 or so.
Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: nobody is a chode on August 17, 2010, 07:06:01 PM "Country Air" is a great song and there is the nice live version from Big Sur 1970. But I feel the Beach Boys always benefited from an augmented line up in concert. Listen to anything live from 1968 on and compare it to say the late '67 shows on A Vocal Harmony. I will say that Dennis became a kick-ass drummer by 1980 or so. I'm not too familiar with their live performances but I've always liked "Lei'd In Hawaii" for the Smiley-like take on some of their songs. Always thought Brian was onto something very cool there that was left virtually unexplored thereafter. Weren't Brian and Dennis (maybe Carl?) on acid at that show, too? Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: Myk Luhv on August 17, 2010, 07:13:22 PM "Country Air" is a great song and there is the nice live version from Big Sur 1970. But I feel the Beach Boys always benefited from an augmented line up in concert. Listen to anything live from 1968 on and compare it to say the late '67 shows on A Vocal Harmony. I will say that Dennis became a kick-ass drummer by 1980 or so. I'm not too familiar with their live performances but I've always liked "Lei'd In Hawaii" for the Smiley-like take on some of their songs. Always thought Brian was onto something very cool there that was left virtually unexplored thereafter. Weren't Brian and Dennis (maybe Carl?) on acid at that show, too? I forget where I read this -- I want to say on here, but I dunno -- but I think Brian convinced all the Boys to take acid before doing the show, hence its shoddy performance (that, and the fact whoever was on bass [Al and Bruce?] were not bass players at all and only played bass because Brian was playing the organ. Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: rogerlancelot on August 17, 2010, 07:22:58 PM "Country Air" is a great song and there is the nice live version from Big Sur 1970. But I feel the Beach Boys always benefited from an augmented line up in concert. Listen to anything live from 1968 on and compare it to say the late '67 shows on A Vocal Harmony. I will say that Dennis became a kick-ass drummer by 1980 or so. I'm not too familiar with their live performances but I've always liked "Lei'd In Hawaii" for the Smiley-like take on some of their songs. Always thought Brian was onto something very cool there that was left virtually unexplored thereafter. Weren't Brian and Dennis (maybe Carl?) on acid at that show, too? We are talking about two nights of shoddy performances. I do know (judging by the video of "God Only Knows" in American Band - music from a concert over a year later) that Brian is definitely on either speed or coke due to his "gnawing". Brian always says he only tried acid twice. Dennis more times than that but he had given it up after his Manson experiences. Maybe Ed Roach would know more of this. Speaking of acid, I haven't even seen any in over 10 years but I spent most of that time living in the deep South (Louisiana) where I don't think it was ever really that popular of a drug anyway. I've had plenty of psilocybin experiences during that time though. I forget where I read this -- I want to say on here, but I dunno -- but I think Brian convinced all the Boys to take acid before doing the show, hence its shoddy performance (that, and the fact whoever was on bass [Al and Bruce?] were not bass players at all and only played bass because Brian was playing the organ. Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: nobody is a chode on August 17, 2010, 07:31:37 PM Brian convinced Bruce, Al and Mike to take acid? Were they all at that show or was Mike in India with the Beatles and brown Jesus?
I don't believe Brian only had acid twice. Seems more like he was probably taking it all the time. Acid is like a huge deal the first few times you do it, after that it's more familiar and you can take it as much as you want. It's fairly benign. "Taking it as much as you want" doesn't mean at any dosage. Even if you've had a thousand trips, a huge dose of strong acid could still f*** your sh*t up fast. Or if you simply take small amounts too often, might end up in a mental hospital talking to books and plants. Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: Ron on August 17, 2010, 09:37:31 PM I agree Love You is a genius album, but largely because it kind of accurately portray's Brian's talent. Not perfect, often horrid, not always pretty, often one of a kind. "Mona" alone proves the guy is a genius.
Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: Jim V. on August 17, 2010, 10:10:09 PM What's up with the obsession with drugs "socoldigoburr". I mean I enjoy chemical stimulation a bit, but I think you are overdoing on getting a schizophrenic 68 year old man high on blow. Or really anybody for that matter. Plus, I don't even think he was on any drugs during the Love You sessions. I don't think went back to that until like the MIU or LA period.
But otherwise, yeah it would be cool to see Brian do some more raw stuff however. I bet the coke gives him a heart attack and the hash would put him to sleep. And I'm afraid to see what the man would be after anohter hit of acid. Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: nobody is a chode on August 17, 2010, 10:47:28 PM What's up with the obsession with drugs "socoldigoburr". I mean I enjoy chemical stimulation a bit, but I think you are overdoing on getting a schizophrenic 68 year old man high on blow. Or really anybody for that matter. Plus, I don't even think he was on any drugs during the Love You sessions. I don't think went back to that until like the MIU or LA period. But otherwise, yeah it would be cool to see Brian do some more raw stuff however. I bet the coke gives him a heart attack and the hash would put him to sleep. And I'm afraid to see what the man would be after anohter hit of acid. I'm of the opinion that none of Brian's "problems" mentally (beyond addiction) were caused by drug use. Most drugs are surprisingly benign. The body recovers SO well from drugs. People think that they'll take a drug and be screwed for life. It's more myth in the Brian Wilson story, and you all eat it up. Brian himself believes it simply because so many people have told him. It's an easy way to distance his problems from himself, to attribute them to some other cause beyond himself. There are people who have taken LSD thousands of times and are as sane as Jeff Foskett. Well, that's a bad example, because Jeff hates Love You and that's INSANE. Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: gsmile on August 17, 2010, 10:55:05 PM There are people who have taken LSD thousands of times and are as sane as Jeff Foskett. Well, that's a bad example, because Jeff hates Love You and that's INSANE. :lol This is sooo my new signature. Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: Jason on August 17, 2010, 11:34:59 PM What's up with the obsession with drugs "socoldigoburr". I mean I enjoy chemical stimulation a bit, but I think you are overdoing on getting a schizophrenic 68 year old man high on blow. Or really anybody for that matter. Plus, I don't even think he was on any drugs during the Love You sessions. I don't think went back to that until like the MIU or LA period. But otherwise, yeah it would be cool to see Brian do some more raw stuff however. I bet the coke gives him a heart attack and the hash would put him to sleep. And I'm afraid to see what the man would be after anohter hit of acid. I'm of the opinion that none of Brian's "problems" mentally (beyond addiction) were caused by drug use. Most drugs are surprisingly benign. The body recovers SO well from drugs. People think that they'll take a drug and be screwed for life. It's more myth in the Brian Wilson story, and you all eat it up. Brian himself believes it simply because so many people have told him. It's an easy way to distance his problems from himself, to attribute them to some other cause beyond himself. There are people who have taken LSD thousands of times and are as sane as Jeff Foskett. Well, that's a bad example, because Jeff hates Love You and that's INSANE. Uhhhhhhhhh dude...you do know he's been diagnosed with brain damage due to his cocaine habit, not to mention the Landy-prescribed drugs? Yeah, they cause no harm whatsoever. Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: nobody is a chode on August 17, 2010, 11:37:35 PM Quote Uhhhhhhhhh dude...you do know he's been diagnosed with brain damage due to his cocaine habit, not to mention the Landy-prescribed drugs? Yeah, they cause no harm whatsoever. If brain damage results in albums like Love You ... perhaps we could all use a bit of it. And then we'll have, y'know, world peace. Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: buddhahat on August 17, 2010, 11:57:12 PM So cold I go burr, please post more often - really enjoyed opening post. Was listening to the love you demos out driving in the country with my kids yesterday - sun flickering through the trees. Such beautiful music. Brian hits the saddest chords ever during this period. Don't think he'll ever find those chords again, which is bad for us but good for him. He can do the joyous stuff still though i.e message man and nothing but love, so maybe he's still capable of a love you 2. Maybe this is what pleasure island might've been or might yet turn out to be!?
Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: The Heartical Don on August 18, 2010, 12:02:19 AM Let me joint the queue: so cold I go burr is the firstest with the mostest, or something. Brian's return to worm. Eugene never happened. Steaks all around. Playing for the hashes. There is DNA available from Denny and Carl. Genetic engineering does the rest.
Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: grillo on August 18, 2010, 05:46:37 AM "Country Air" is a great song and there is the nice live version from Big Sur 1970. But I feel the Beach Boys always benefited from an augmented line up in concert. Listen to anything live from 1968 on and compare it to say the late '67 shows on A Vocal Harmony. I will say that Dennis became a kick-ass drummer by 1980 or so. I'm not too familiar with their live performances but I've always liked "Lei'd In Hawaii" for the Smiley-like take on some of their songs. Always thought Brian was onto something very cool there that was left virtually unexplored thereafter. Weren't Brian and Dennis (maybe Carl?) on acid at that show, too? I forget where I read this -- I want to say on here, but I dunno -- but I think Brian convinced all the Boys to take acid before doing the show, hence its shoddy performance (that, and the fact whoever was on bass [Al and Bruce?] were not bass players at all and only played bass because Brian was playing the organ. I always say that most of Love You (sans good time and Love is a Woman) plus 5 or so songs from Adult Child make the best BB album since Pet Sounds. Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: Myk Luhv on August 18, 2010, 06:54:21 AM "Country Air" is a great song and there is the nice live version from Big Sur 1970. But I feel the Beach Boys always benefited from an augmented line up in concert. Listen to anything live from 1968 on and compare it to say the late '67 shows on A Vocal Harmony. I will say that Dennis became a kick-ass drummer by 1980 or so. I'm not too familiar with their live performances but I've always liked "Lei'd In Hawaii" for the Smiley-like take on some of their songs. Always thought Brian was onto something very cool there that was left virtually unexplored thereafter. Weren't Brian and Dennis (maybe Carl?) on acid at that show, too? I forget where I read this -- I want to say on here, but I dunno -- but I think Brian convinced all the Boys to take acid before doing the show, hence its shoddy performance (that, and the fact whoever was on bass [Al and Bruce?] were not bass players at all and only played bass because Brian was playing the organ. [. . .] Huh, I wonder where I picked up what I said then! Strange. Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: donald on August 18, 2010, 07:36:29 AM I'm among those who think Love You is among the best of Brian's output. It isn't the prettiest, slickest, best arranged , produced, or sung of the catalogue.
But it is the picture of the complete person who has been Brian Wilson....quirky, genius, melodic, inventive, eccentric. It is , to me, an addictive piece of work. No pun intended. At times, I even prefer listening to the Love You demos and rough cuts that are out there. Those recordings, more than anything, show the unrealized promise of the album and the material from that era. But I am not a supporter of drug abuse by anyone, let alone a man who has had quite enought of that in his past. I WOULD like to see Brian at the keyboard of an old synth performing one of these. But he doesn't do much keyboard anymore and his voice has improved too much to do justice to the Love You songs :p Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: The Heartical Don on August 18, 2010, 07:47:12 AM I'm among those who think Love You is among the best of Brian's output. It isn't the prettiest, slickest, best arranged , produced, or sung of the catalogue. But it is the picture of the complete person who has been Brian Wilson....quirky, genius, melodic, inventive, eccentric. It is , to me, an addictive piece of work. No pun intended. At times, I even prefer listening to the Love You demos and rough cuts that are out there. Those recordings, more than anything, show the unrealized promise of the album and the material from that era. But I am not a supporter of drug abuse by anyone, let alone a man who has had quite enought of that in his past. I WOULD like to see Brian at the keyboard of an old synth performing one of these. But he doesn't do much keyboard anymore and his voice has improved too much to do justice to the Love You songs :p Well put that man. 'Love You' is the only BBs album I really love to play loud. It's a statement with substance (no pun intended). Sort of: triumphant, in an 'HAARRRGGHHH!!!' kind of way. At its arrival, there was a lot of bewilderment, because it was so unpredictable at the time. I think it's one of the great punk albums of all time. Compared to it, 'Never Mind The Bollocks' is lame and lazy heavy metal by a bunch of bozos. Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on August 18, 2010, 07:57:07 AM Brian has been trying for years to get out a killer, Moog Bass lined ,version of "Proud Mary" but dark forces keep standing in his way.
If he builds it (the Moog bass lined version of "Proud Mary"), it will come! Would 'Pleasure Island' be his next "Love You"? Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 18, 2010, 08:45:31 AM Brian has been trying for years to get out a killer, Moog Bass lined ,version of "Proud Mary" but dark forces keep standing in his way. If he builds it (the Moog bass lined version of "Proud Mary"), it will come! Would 'Pleasure Island' be his next "Love You"? Brian re-recorded "Proud Mary" a few years ago. The new version is much better. Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: buddhahat on August 18, 2010, 08:47:43 AM Brian has been trying for years to get out a killer, Moog Bass lined ,version of "Proud Mary" but dark forces keep standing in his way. If he builds it (the Moog bass lined version of "Proud Mary"), it will come! Would 'Pleasure Island' be his next "Love You"? Brian re-recorded "Proud Mary" a few years ago. The new version is much better. Was this re-recording intended for Pleasure Island? If so, did he record any others that we won't have heard? Thanks Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: donald on August 18, 2010, 09:07:21 AM lame and lazy heavy metal by a bunch of bozos...................now THAT would be a perfect album title..........for some band.....perhaps a band called The Clowns
Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: nobody is a chode on August 18, 2010, 10:29:17 AM What's all this "Pleasure Island" stuff I keep seeing? An album Brian has spoken about possibly making? Maybe it's just an album full of Kokomo covers.
Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: buddhahat on August 18, 2010, 11:15:58 AM What's all this "Pleasure Island" stuff I keep seeing? An album Brian has spoken about possibly making? Maybe it's just an album full of Kokomo covers. it was the planned album after TLOS and was to be the fabled rock n roll album with a loose concept based on pleasure island? Something like that anyway. I think proud Mary was to feature somewhere. Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: nobody is a chode on August 18, 2010, 01:06:08 PM Damn that sounds cool.
I'd question the title Pleasure Island if it were by anyone else but... come on, it's Brian, it's gotta be awesome! Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: Wirestone on August 18, 2010, 01:14:08 PM He suggested it in a couple of interviews, but I don't think anything definitive was ever announced.
There was a piece of paper on his piano in a TLOS promo pic, though, and it had what looked like a sketch for an outline of "Pleasure Island." It featured "Proud Mary," "At the Hop," and a "Pleasure Island theme," if I recall correctly. Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: buddhahat on August 18, 2010, 01:32:09 PM He suggested it in a couple of interviews, but I don't think anything definitive was ever announced. There was a piece of paper on his piano in a TLOS promo pic, though, and it had what looked like a sketch for an outline of "Pleasure Island." It featured "Proud Mary," "At the Hop," and a "Pleasure Island theme," if I recall correctly. the myth is crystalizing as we type! If I was brian's management I'd get him and the band to write and record this album on the sly (with lots of synths, of course) alongside other projects, or even just stockpile a load of bonus cuts, then let it slip that brian finished pleasure island but felt the public wasn't ready for this inappropriate music. Wait 5 years for the fanboards to go into meltdown, with occasional rumour and leaked track then finally release it and watch the cash roll in. Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: Wirestone on August 18, 2010, 02:03:45 PM An albums' worth of material is in the can.
Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 18, 2010, 03:17:40 PM An albums' worth of material is in the can. True... and some of it's pretty good, but I have the impression that the Pleasure Island notion has been put on the back burner. Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: Wirestone on August 18, 2010, 03:25:58 PM I'm trying to help make myths here, Andrew! ;D
Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 18, 2010, 03:28:03 PM I'm trying to help make myths here, Andrew! ;D I'll not name names, but someone said to me "Pleasure Island ? Sounds like a fuckin' porno movie, we gotta get him to change that". ;D Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: nobody is a chode on August 18, 2010, 03:33:24 PM Brian Wilson Reimagines Gershwin on Pleasure Island : A Homoerotic Tale of Forbidden Lust
Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on August 18, 2010, 04:05:28 PM :lol
Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: Tord on August 18, 2010, 05:04:12 PM "It's called Pleasure Island: A Rock Fantasy. It's about some guys who took a hike, and they found a place called Pleasure Island. And they met all kinds of chicks, and they went on rides and — it's just a concept. I haven't developed it yet. I think people are going to love it — it could be the best thing I've ever done." - Brian Wilson, Rolling Stone, 2008.
There's some info about the album in this old thread: http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,6970.0.html Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: nobody is a chode on August 18, 2010, 05:31:28 PM "It's called Pleasure Island: A Rock Fantasy. It's about some guys who took a hike, and they found a place called Pleasure Island. And they met all kinds of chicks, and they went on rides and — it's just a concept. I haven't developed it yet. I think people are going to love it — it could be the best thing I've ever done." - Brian Wilson, Rolling Stone, 2008. There's some info about the album in this old thread: http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,6970.0.html Wow, it really does sound like a porn film. God, Brian, get your mind out of the gutter. Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: Curtis Leon on August 19, 2010, 03:26:52 AM "It's called Pleasure Island: A Rock Fantasy. It's about some guys who took a hike, and they found a place called Pleasure Island. And they met all kinds of chicks, and they went on rides and — it's just a concept. I haven't developed it yet. I think people are going to love it — it could be the best thing I've ever done." - Brian Wilson, Rolling Stone, 2008. There's some info about the album in this old thread: http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,6970.0.html Woah, WOAH there, Brian. We don't want you falling into the "perverted old man" cliche! And especially not writing albums about it! Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: buddhahat on August 19, 2010, 03:36:41 AM An albums' worth of material is in the can. True... and some of it's pretty good, but I have the impression that the Pleasure Island notion has been put on the back burner. I think Wirestone was joking but inadvertently got AGD to admit to something he otherwise might've been more guarded about! Result!! The myth machine is in full swing now. Love You 2 (Aka Pleasure Yourself Island) here we come ... Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: Curtis Leon on August 19, 2010, 03:54:56 AM An albums' worth of material is in the can. True... and some of it's pretty good, but I have the impression that the Pleasure Island notion has been put on the back burner. I think Wirestone was joking but inadvertently got AGD to admit to something he otherwise might've been more guarded about! Result!! The myth machine is in full swing now. Love You 2 (Aka Pleasure Yourself Island) here we come ... Brian "Loves" You (in a way that might make most listeners uncomfortable) Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: nobody is a chode on August 19, 2010, 09:25:54 AM An albums' worth of material is in the can. True... and some of it's pretty good, but I have the impression that the Pleasure Island notion has been put on the back burner. I think Wirestone was joking but inadvertently got AGD to admit to something he otherwise might've been more guarded about! Result!! The myth machine is in full swing now. Love You 2 (Aka Pleasure Yourself Island) here we come ... Brian "Loves" You (in a way that might make most listeners uncomfortable) He already did that... see I Wanna Pick You Up, or Roller Skating Child... Keep your children away from BW. He lures them in with birthday cake and zany antics. Then behind closed doors, naked, he turns into Murry, complete with glass eye falling out of its socket. >:D Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: buddhahat on August 19, 2010, 12:12:11 PM An albums' worth of material is in the can. True... and some of it's pretty good, but I have the impression that the Pleasure Island notion has been put on the back burner. I think Wirestone was joking but inadvertently got AGD to admit to something he otherwise might've been more guarded about! Result!! The myth machine is in full swing now. Love You 2 (Aka Pleasure Yourself Island) here we come ... Brian "Loves" You (in a way that might make most listeners uncomfortable) He already did that... see I Wanna Pick You Up, or Roller Skating Child... Keep your children away from BW. He lures them in with birthday cake and zany antics. Then behind closed doors, naked, he turns into Murry, complete with glass eye falling out of its socket. >:D Yeah I listened to Lazy Lizzie for the 1st time ever the other day, and that's even more creepy than Hey Little Tomboy, which is saying something. Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: lance on August 19, 2010, 09:56:40 PM Part of the creepiness is unintentional.
I mean the part where there whispering. I can't really hear what their whispering but it totally seems like guy whispering 'Hey, little girl do you want some candy?" I mean, I don't hear those words at all, it just feels like that in the context of the song. In fact, after listening a few times, I realized it was just the boys or Brian and Dennis and Carl or whoever standing around a mike whispering while they were waiting for their cue to sing the final chorus assuming the whispering would be edited out eventually. Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 19, 2010, 11:26:29 PM Part of the creepiness is unintentional. I mean the part where there whispering. I can't really hear what their whispering but it totally seems like guy whispering 'Hey, little girl do you want some candy?" I mean, I don't hear those words at all, it just feels like that in the context of the song. In fact, after listening a few times, I realized it was just the boys or Brian and Dennis and Carl or whoever standing around a mike whispering while they were waiting for their cue to sing the final chorus assuming the whispering would be edited out eventually. Not clear if we're talking "Tomboy" or "Lizzie" here (that or I'm being overly dim). Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: Menace Wilson on August 20, 2010, 07:55:17 AM "Christine Sixteen" was also written in late 76 or 77. Rock stars seemed to feel pretty comfortable about lusting after school girls in those days.
Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: Roger Ryan on August 20, 2010, 08:12:34 AM "Pleasure Island" actually originates with PINOCCHIO; it's where runaway boys are taken to indulge themselves before being turned into donkeys for slave labor (or, more metaphorically, where indulging boys become asses). "Pleasure Island" is also the name of the adult nightclub area of Disney's Marketplace in Orlando, FL.
Since Brian is doing his Disney album next, the whole "Pleasure Island" idea might actually fit! I don't care much for Brian's original concept, but if he tied in the idea of youthful excess vs. adult responsibility, it could be pretty heady (yeah, I know - it would never happen). Title: Re: BRiAN WiLS0N LUVS U - 2012 Post by: The Heartical Don on August 21, 2010, 02:40:45 AM Part of the creepiness is unintentional. I mean the part where there whispering. I can't really hear what their whispering but it totally seems like guy whispering 'Hey, little girl do you want some candy?" I mean, I don't hear those words at all, it just feels like that in the context of the song. In fact, after listening a few times, I realized it was just the boys or Brian and Dennis and Carl or whoever standing around a mike whispering while they were waiting for their cue to sing the final chorus assuming the whispering would be edited out eventually. I agree. We live in a society that likes to 'psychologize', also in situations where this isn't appropriate. There are in fact philosopers who reject all types of psychologizing, because 'reading meaning' into another's talk and behaviour can very easily slip into the taking over of that other's own feelings, and stories. If I am right the old Romans taught something similar into their classes of rhetoric. Only clear outward signs were accepted as meaning something (crying, laughing, that kind of stuff). I don't doubt for a second that Brian's songs that are seen as 'weird' weren't meant to communicate something unbecoming at all. For this listener they were and are expressions of an almost humbling form of naivité. Humbling, in that most people usually do what is the social norm, there's more calculation in them. |