Between The Buttons -  Stones US, Mono LP

Always liked Almost Summer, too bad it's not on that LP. Actually got some airplay around here. Thanks for the review.

Maybe because it was on the previous Celebration album ?

Yeah, I've seen a couple of their LPs years ago. Didn't buy, figured I wouldn't like much past Almost Summer. I do have the 45 buried away somewhere.

Always liked Almost Summer, too bad it's not on that LP. Actually got some airplay around here. Thanks for the review.

Maybe because it was on the previous Celebration album ?

Yeah, I've seen a couple of their LPs years ago. Figured I wouldn't like much past Almost Summer. I do have the 45 buried away somewhere.

Always liked Almost Summer, too bad it's not on that LP. Actually got some airplay around here. Thanks for the review.

Not sure this is what he's talking about, but the Jardine/Love thing was still in the courts 2006.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/judge-nixes-part-of-beach-boys-lawsuit/

Mentions a trial coming up in November. No idea if it actually happened.


Also found an article where it mentioned that everything was finally settled out of court in 2008.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/life/music/2008-03-21-4055191414_x.htm

For me whether he filed suit or not for 1 song, does not prove either way if he helped write the lyrics or not. Would likely be a complicated lawsuit with not a big financial gain. The people at Arc did no wrong to Mike, they don't know if he contributed or not.

I am always suspicious of new posters who show up with apparent knowledge of the inner workings of the group just in time to defend some point or other.  It so very Mike-Love-2005-lawsuit-false-witness-esque.  Are you Mike's manager or something?

I claim no inner knowledge, just going by what Mike or Carl or Brian have said in public. Where have I said anything that claimed I have any inner knowledge. I'm not the one who came up with the Carl Wilson information above about Surfin USA. Just commenting as an observer like most others here.

For me whether he filed suit or not for 1 song, does not prove either way if he helped write the lyrics or not. Would likely be a complicated lawsuit with not a big financial gain. The people at Arc did no wrong to Mike, they don't know if he contributed or not.

Has Mike said he did?

Yep, before and after the lawsuit.

The song was "Surfin'" and not "Surfin USA", that is correct.

Maybe someone can correct me if I'm remembering it wrong, but Surfin USA was not part of the 90's credits lawsuit, and for a very confusing maze of credits, trace the history of Surfin USA releases since it first came out. It was published/owned by Arc Music, which is where many of the Chess label's music resides, including Chuck Berry. Credits on various releases ranged from "Brian Wilson" to "Brian Wilson - Chuck Berry" to "Chuck Berry" and going so far as "words and music by Chuck Berry". The latter is obviously not the case, factually...so why does it appear that way?

Murry signed over the song to resolve the copyright claims with Chuck's Sweet Little Sixteen.

Which means, if Mike had wanted to claim credit for Surfin USA, he'd need to bring Arc and Chuck Berry into a court case, separate from where he took Brian to court over the 79 songs, since Chuck and Arc technically "own" Surfin USA ostensibly thanks to Murry 50 years ago. It's almost comical to see Arc's catalog of song titles and see one and only one Beach Boys song on that list, even though Chuck Berry did not write a single word of that lyric, and the main hook of the melody sounds nothing like Sweet Little Sixteen.

Wonder why Mike didn't take Arc to court over claiming that lyric credit, since it's one of the most familiar songs in the Beach Boys discography.

It would be almost an impossible suit to win, if Brian/Murrayould have made an agreement to split copyright, there may be a case. The reason I was looking for if Brian ever suggested Mike wrote part of Surfin USA, is someone mentioned on another board they
saw Brian say it in an old interview, was trying to find that interview and found that.

I think in some ways it would be an even easier case to prove if Mike had chosen to file a claim against Arc for publishing and even whatever interest handles Chuck Berry's songwriting affairs, since it is absolute 100% fact that Chuck Berry had no involvement in writing the lyrics to Surfin USA, yet on many credits he's listed as writer for both music and lyrics - thanks to Murry back in the 60's. But it's a matter of who to take to court and how Mike I guess could have shown a court that he had a hand in writing those words.

Would have to get a lawyer to take the case, Chuck is official songwriter (at least by copyright), whether he had a hand in the lyrics or not (they were influenced by him). He would most likely have to get Brian to agree to go in with him so they could agree to split the lyric credits and any compensation. He would most likely end up with a  small perecentage even if he won.

The song was "Surfin'" and not "Surfin USA", that is correct.

Maybe someone can correct me if I'm remembering it wrong, but Surfin USA was not part of the 90's credits lawsuit, and for a very confusing maze of credits, trace the history of Surfin USA releases since it first came out. It was published/owned by Arc Music, which is where many of the Chess label's music resides, including Chuck Berry. Credits on various releases ranged from "Brian Wilson" to "Brian Wilson - Chuck Berry" to "Chuck Berry" and going so far as "words and music by Chuck Berry". The latter is obviously not the case, factually...so why does it appear that way?

Murry signed over the song to resolve the copyright claims with Chuck's Sweet Little Sixteen.

Which means, if Mike had wanted to claim credit for Surfin USA, he'd need to bring Arc and Chuck Berry into a court case, separate from where he took Brian to court over the 79 songs, since Chuck and Arc technically "own" Surfin USA ostensibly thanks to Murry 50 years ago. It's almost comical to see Arc's catalog of song titles and see one and only one Beach Boys song on that list, even though Chuck Berry did not write a single word of that lyric, and the main hook of the melody sounds nothing like Sweet Little Sixteen.

Wonder why Mike didn't take Arc to court over claiming that lyric credit, since it's one of the most familiar songs in the Beach Boys discography.

It would be almost an impossible suit to win, if Brian/Murrayould have made an agreement to split copyright, there may be a case. The reason I was looking for if Brian ever suggested Mike wrote part of Surfin USA, is someone mentioned on another board they
saw Brian say it in an old interview, was trying to find that interview and found that.

Love the Roller Skating Child clip & a few others.

[So Mike Love and I wrote Surfin (USA)]

A note on Surfin USA, Brian says Mike wrote the lyrics with him here.  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/film/love-and-mercy/brian-wilson-interview/

“I never learnt how to surf because I was always afraid to try,” he says. “But my brother Dennis told me surfing was popular and why didn’t I write some songs about it? So Mike Love and I wrote Surfin (USA).’”

I believe David Marks testified that he remembered Mike writing the lyrics to Chug A Lug, hah. Not sure if he mentioned any other songs.

One song Mike give some specifics on is I Get Around, said he wrote the Round, Round Get Around I Get Around bit. Brian had 2 lines & they finished it off together. Read
this in an interview before the lawsuit.