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What would the Love and Mercy Soundtrack be like?

My Picks would be

Brian Wilson Songs


1.   "Love and Mercy"     
2.   "Walkin' the Line"     
3.   "Melt Away"     
4.   "Baby Let Your Hair Grow Long"     
5.   "Little Children" 
6.   "One for the Boys"     
7.   "There's So Many" 

Their Surfin songs and other song included

I wouldn't mind some of Brian's best later material getting some added exposure-- "Gettin' in Over My Head", "It's Not Easy Being Me", "Cry", "Midnight's Another Day", etc.

In My Car. They could've used it for a scene where someone's driving a car.

The instrumental section of Til I Die should be played throughout his bed years

This is just a guess...

1. Surfin' USA
2. I Get Around (w/Studio Chatter)
3. Don't Worry Baby (w/Studio Chatter)
4. Be My Baby - The Ronettes
5. God Only Knows (w/Sessions)
6. Sloop John B (w/Sessions)
7. Caroline No (w/Sessions)
8. You Still Believe In Me (w/Sessions)
9. Here Today (w/Sessions)
11. Don't Talk (Put Your Head On My Shoulder)
12. I Live For the Sun - The Sunrays
13. Good Vibrations (w/Sessions)
14. Surf's Up (From 'Inside Pop')
15. Heroes And Villains (w/Sessions)
16. The Elements: Fire (w/Sessions)
17. Day By Day - The Four Freshmen
18. 'Til I Die
19. In My Room
20. Wouldn't It Be Nice
21. Love and Mercy (From 'Live At the Roxy)

Plus various Atticus Ross score interludes.

Last I heard there would NOT be an OST.

Did you hear that since Billboard mentioned this:

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6258962/love-mercy-john-cusack-paul-dano-brian-wilson-beach-boys (http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6258962/love-mercy-john-cusack-paul-dano-brian-wilson-beach-boys)

Pretty much the same time.

also In My room should be in a scene where they are in a room..  ;D and somewhere near japan when it shows their Japanese tour..

My money's on Howie, not in the least because what he says agrees nicely with what I've heard... and I'd believe him before I'd believe me.

Sounds good. If the movie has a happy ending I think "Happy Endings" should be playing over the credits. Not a Brian composition, I know, but he was present as a cartoon character in the cute music video they shot for the song.

Phirnis, are you forgetting about "Happy Days"?

BTW, listening to "Happy Days" now, that's probably one of Brian's best vocals from the '80s on. About 1:30 in, there's an amazing falsetto part in the background. Was that really Brian?

Darn shame… surely a missed opportunity?

Really not a missed opportunity, John.

A Love And Mercy soundtrack would probably not feature anything we don't already have, and due to licensing issues would be forced to be released through Capitol, who clearly rate the BB's catalogue as -- at best -- a second class citizen and at worst, their biggest annoyance. The promotion on MIC (and choice of release date) was among the poorest I've witnessed by a major act. A barrel scraping Elvis comp gets handled with far more respect and promotional budget. Shameful and inexcusable following the success of the TSS, TWGMTR, and the 50th tour.  

That's where effective BB management would come in and protect the brand in dealings with the company they're tied to forever.

Let the new BW LP serve as the tie-in musical component to the the film, and let that get the press as opposed to a comp that in reality will fare no better on the market than Classics did.

I could be wrong, but unfortunately, I don't think so.

It makes me wonder, why did Capitol bother to go to the trouble of putting together something like MiC if they weren't going to promote it?  Or was it due to the fact that it was released a year later than originally planned, and they had already decided that all their BB promotion was going to be in 2011/2012?   Would love to know the thought process behind some of these decisions.

Once the movie is released in bluray it should be a fairly easy task to create ones own soundtrack.

Given the music cues in the screenplay (posted elsewhere on this board), you are right on that count.  However, since nothing to the contrary has been reported since that Billboard article, I would think there will still be one.  At the very least, featuring the original score by Atticus Ross and some key music cues.

One thing I'll say (again) I'm anxiously awaiting the films release next year.

In the movie, isn't Dano singing part of the songs though? If they are anything like the 'Walk The Line' tracks (in terms of quality, and playability - even though they aren't original recordings), I'll be pretty bummed if there isn't a soundtrack.

From everything I've read (and it's a lot), there are many scenes with Dano and the other BB cast lip syncing and then occasionally some blended with Dano and actual BB's.  And then there is the Surf's Up (Inside Pop) performance and that's all Dano, as I understand.

I'm really glad they did it that way - 100% lip syncing would just seem odd. I dug up the article where Dano talks about the scenes he sings in:

So that's you playing and singing in those scenes?
Most of them, yeah. I played and sang "God Only Knows" live on the set when we filmed. My second day of filming, I had to perform "Surf's Up" over and over. It remains one of the best days I've ever had a film set. Have you ever tried to play that song, by the way? It's incredibly hard. Thankfully, we only did two minutes of it, and not the whole thing, but it's tough. I simplified a lot of the left hand work on the piano. Brian's left-hand work is pretty complicated.

As for the rest of the actors singing….
Look, you're not going to get five guys that sound like the Beach Boys! We would be the first to tell you that. The harmonizing in the studio scenes are where you start to hear a lot of blending going on. There are a few scenes where you hear me start a line of a song and by the end of the session, you're hearing Brian's vocals. I have to give credit to the sound people, the transitions are really smooth; you can't tell that one half of it is the real thing and one half is me faking it, so I thank those guys a lot [laughs].

http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/features/love-and-mercy-paul-dano-on-brian-wilson-20140913 (http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/features/love-and-mercy-paul-dano-on-brian-wilson-20140913)

If his Surf's Up performance is unique, good, I really hope it'll be available to purchase. Either way, I can't wait to see this film!

I wouldn't mind if there were some mixes during the film like "Forever" and "Let the wind blow" on An American Family.

Good quotes and linkage.  I wish this board had 'like' capabilities.

Howie,

I just wanted to say that I enjoy your posts and (most often) your perspective on all things BB.  In terms of management, if you had your way who would be a best fit to represent the group as a whole?

I certainly agree that Capitol has done the BB a disservice and treat them as a second tier band unfairly.

I sat two boxes ahead of Jerry Schilling and Pricilla Presley (who was just as drop dead gorgeous close up) at the Hollywood Bowl C 50 show.  They seemed to be enjoying the show.  Perhaps having a person with a previous history with the group (who didn't exit under bad circumstances) might have or might be a good idea.

Regardless, it seems a shame that the world at large doesn't give the BB enough credit as major league players and put them closer the status of Frankie Valli (underrated too, I think) as opposed to The Beatles.  I know the Beach Boys themselves and their inter-squabbles are in large part to blame for this too, though.

Who would I pick to manage The Beach Boys/BRI?

Easy. As many of you have heard me say off the board. . .

JERRY SCHILLING and ELLIOT KENDALL.

Schilling to run BRI proper and deal with the catalogue and the band as whole (individual needs / future joint projects) with Kendall keeping the brand up to date, moving forward with new ideas and opportunities, and bringing it squarely into the 21st century with its usage in film, TV, radio, online, and massive cross marketing strategies.

That team would get the job done.

Who exactly is Elliot Kendall? And I'm just curious....what was the last project that Jerry Schilling handled for the BB? I appreciate your level-headed contributions very much, Howie.

It`s a nice idea that the group could have a manager that would equally represent all members but that hasn`t happened for any length of time over the past 52 years and it isn`t going to start now...

Oh, things change all the time.

McCartney and Yoko holding hands, Harrison and McCartney recording together, Yoko and Cynthia embracing for the press -- Al appearing at a Mike salute, Jeff Foskett nose-to-nose sharing mics with Mike and Stamos, Brian and Joe Thomas writing and recording. . .  BRIAN WILSON & MIKE LOVE TOURING TOGETHER. It would be a blind (and contrary) man to not recognize that there’s been far more agreement in 52 years than not. The fact of the matter is that The Beach Boys as a brand -- not Mike Love’s separate touring organization -- but the “Beach Boys” brand is at a low ebb. And this is a dangerous time to risk extinction as the commercial plates and its connected technology are rapidly shifting. The earning power of BRI has severely atrophied over years by having no leadership, adequate and respected representation at their label, and the most ill-advised decisions regarding restaurants, gaming ventures, and similar ilk. There are a backlog of breathtaking projects to be released that have been ignored by Capitol because there's no respect, no muscle fronting the band at the label.

It’s literally a property manager at an office building. Compare that to Irving Azoff, Jeff Jones, and a half-dozen other of the like. Zero vision.

It comes to a point where a multi-million brand needs a guy(s) to WORK that brand. Sunkist was a BILLION years ago. Oldies / Classics Hits radio is Hall & Oates and The Police. The BB’s are hanging on with about 6 songs. They are VERY lucky. That will end. Motown survives too, but “Shop Around” and "My Guy" -- like “Be True To Your School” -- have died the same deaths as Leslie Gore and Gary Lewis. This is a band and catalogue so beloved that 139 years after it’s debut single they can sell out Wembley. How does their earning potential and legacy go unchecked for so long?

Have Capitol really been that bad?

A genuine question but the compilation albums that stood a chance of sales have either done very well (Sounds of Summer) or OK (The Warmth of the Sun) and the new albums that they`ve released by both Brian and The Beach Boys have done as well as anyone could reasonably expected.

The rarities stuff (and there`s been a fair amount of it) that they`ve issued was only ever going to have a minority appeal I would have thought.

As a fan I would obviously have loved them to release even more but it doesnt seem to have been a complete disaster.

I think Howie hit on one of the key points in a post from a few months ago: Licensing. And there is more, perhaps more specific to Brian Wilson in the next year, that is out there.

On the licensing issue: I'm a classic insomniac, I'll start channel surfing and land on a late-night movie or something on an almost regular basis. The other night, "Boogie Nights" happened to be on, I had never seen it. Near the end of the movie, maybe 5-10 minutes before the credits, I'm watching and out of nowhere "God Only Knows" starts playing under a montage of scenes. It sounded *amazing*, as it always does, but in that context and being totally unprepared for it, that song knocked me out, it was one of those neat surprises that hearing Beach Boys music randomly offers us.

Why mention that? It was one in what I think has been a great run of licensed Beach Boys music showing up surprisingly in various movie and TV projects. People are still talking about that Mad Men scene when they are at a psychedelic party and someone in the apartment puts on a reel-to-reel tape of "I Just Wasn't Made For These Times". It *nailed* that scene, and the whole episode if not that whole season of the show as well as any piece of music could have done. And it generated a lot of online buzz, and therefore interest in the song, and therefore downloads of the song on iTunes as well as people revisiting Pet Sounds in general.

Again, a long line of such appearances that includes everything from "Roger And Me" using Wouldn't It Be Nice, "Good Morning Vietnam" using I Get Around, a TV show called "Life On Mars" using Long Promised Road, going back 30 years to "The Big Chill" with Wouldn't It Be Nice, a film whose title I can't recall which starred Jimmy Fallon and also featured Wouldn't It Be Nice...the list goes on.

Speaking of Fallon, he's of course the host of The Tonight Show now. He is a major fan, as is his bandleader Questlove, and as we remember Questlove had sent out messages on Twitter singing the praises of the Smile Sessions box, of Pet Sounds, of having the Beach Boys on the show in 2012, etc. His Twitter feed reaches all ages and many genres, and specifically with the Smile Sessions he put out the word of how many great sampling opportunities existed on that box...Imagine how many thousands of DJ's, producers, and the like who normally would not be buying Beach Boys records checked out Smile on Questlove's online recommendation?

Again with Fallon...The Beach Boys during C50 were on his show, Fallon gave them *three songs* plus a sit down interview with Brian and Mike. He did as respectful of a cold opening for the band as I've seen...no theme music, no monologue, but instead a cold open where he said "The Beach Boys..." and the band started singing "In My Room". This just does not happen on formula late-night television! But it did, for the Beach Boys. Also count the number of times he's had guests like Zooey Deschanel, Katy Perry, and others where they started talking Beach Boys and Brian. Totally new and different fan bases and demographics, who knows how many checked out the music because of those interviews.

The fruit is out there, ripe for the picking.

I have to agree, it does feel like the focus of marketing various elements of the music and the musicians can feel like stagnation. Like the marketing is based on what worked decades ago, while ignoring what has worked and what does work in recent years.

People who hear it generally like if not *love* hearing these songs, which is why I think the legacy is and always will be in the recordings. It's fine to market live shows and the like, but ultimately they are branches of a much larger tree, and if things like the Mad Men episode are more heavily pursued for future projects, the legacy, the marketing, and the profit-making potential of the corporation in general will be safe and secure for years to come.

People want this music, they want to hear and experience it, and those random appearances separate from concert tours and greatest hits compilation packaging are what connects with more potential new listeners (and new fans) who will seek out more of the music if they're exposed to it. If the right song is placed in the right project at the right time, the positives and return on the investment might outweigh anything done to promote another greatest hits package.

A metaphor: If you live on a 100-acre spread of land that includes an apple orchard, why would you buy apples at the supermarket in the fall? You have the best fruit ready and waiting to be picked in your own backyard if you choose to pick it.

Spot on Guitarfool.

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve worked with major artists who are under the delusion that a new release will catch on with Classic Rock radio. That never happens. What radio is good for is TALKING about the new work, which is all the promotion it gets. A Stones “Doom And Gloom” is a best case scenario -- and that’s with the second biggest band in rock. Aerosmith was dumbfounded by their last LP having no traction. When and if artists ask me advice I always ask them who is pushing their material for the screen. They never know. Is it the label? Is it management? There truth is always NO ONE.

To bring this back to the Beach Boys, in a perfect world, six of the songs on TWGMTR should’ve been licensed to TV/film and/or products for commercial use by the time of release. The reality was the tour, which had A PLETHORA of pre-opening night snags, was always operating at "let’s see if this thing sticks" that such a deal couldn’t be nailed down. As of the pre-Grammy (no) show a good number of us were told that the tour was NOT happening. (Another story for another time). Rather than working the LP to radio -- which is WASN’T -- other than a promo mailed of the single and LP, there was no follow through. Now, Oldies radio, which was all over the 50th, would’ve gone apes hi t for a brief major affiliate “That’s Why God Made The Radio” acapella snippet sent with the call letters plugged in (a la  “Almost Summer.”) Smart business. That didn’t happen. The pushing of “Summer’s Gone” being a Jon Bon Jovi co-write -- press that would’ve added Classic Rock street creed, and a great sidebar to every story -- was a missed opportunity. Getting “Isn’t It Time” and “Spring Vacation” into a major motion pictures as a tie with the tour -- nothing. These are the things that generate profit and exposure. Touring is the meat and potatoes. Licensing is the bread and butter. It earns forever.

I don’t mean to harp on the 50th, but I’m using that as an example of why BRI needs people to bring this band/company into the aughts. And I’m nether laying blame on Joe Thomas -- because he made this ENTIRE THING happen, nor am I doing so to Jean Sievers, who kept this tour a top priority for outlets from the first show to the last (e.g. anyone hear any reports on how Tom Petty’s summer tour wound down? Exactly.) She delivered a campaign that Paul McCartney’s publicist should be envious of. This falls on BRI, on the collective.
  
That Capitol has blocked a Dick’s/Dave’s Picks or FTD type series for the Beach Boys is horrible. But it’s been allowed to happen. That’s why I say Schilling and Kendall are the men for the jobs. Schilling is known and respected by all factions, knows where the bodies are buried and knows the business: records, film, licensing -- this guy saw it ALL at EPE. Kendall’s record as a radio plugger and multimedia cross-marketing expert are EXACTLY what this brand needs. Kendall also has a great rep with both the Love and Wilson camps.

The real blessing in disguise is that the Friends to Holland period (which was shunned by FM -- and now roughly 25 classic tracks that haven't been played to death) has finally found the outlets for exposure in TV and film. HBO’s Hello Ladies breathed new life into such obscurities as Hall & Oates’ 1975 track “Alone Too Long” and Gerry Rafferty’s 1979 “Days Gone Down.” It should be somebody’s JOB to get “Cuddle Up” into a film. “Feel Flows” will forever be tied to Almost Famous. That is the ONLY place that song exists to people that are not us.

You don’t wanna be friends, you don’t wanna tour and record -- got it. Fine. But EVERYBODY is getting their sh it together in regards exploiting their vaults and cross-marketing. The band needs to act and get the professionals in to keep this thing alive or The Beach Boys will absolutely end up no different than Bing Crosby -- save for the night when some chick butchers “God Only Knows” on some TV singing game show.

When did this take place?  Are we taking about unreleased tracks, or concert recordings?  If concert recordings, other than something like Leid in Hawaii, how would Capitol have any say in the matter?  Did the old Capitol contract stipulate that any live recordings made while the band was under contract to Capitol could only be released by Captiol, even when the band was no longer under contract to them?  Even if that's the case, a big portion of BB live concerts that I'd gladly buy as CDs, downloads, or LPs  are from the post-Capitol era, especially the early seventies.  What is Capitol's objection to something like Dick's/Dave's/Follow That Dream? 

Totally agree with your take on the lack of vision and leadership at BRI, with resulting lost opportunities.

Custom --

Due to various deals, there is no more "post-Capitol" era.

An interesting read. . .

The Who Gets Remixed to Reach New Generation in Ads | News - Advertising Age

http://adage.com/article/news/remixed-reach-generation-ads/295898/

Go to any pop culture store catering to young hipster/music types. Count the number of Beatles T-shirts, bobble heads, posters, etc on the shelf. Take your time. Now, count the number of Beach Boys anything on the shelf. It won't take long, because the number will be 0.

Now, I know that Hot Topic isn't a barometer of what music is going to be considered classic down the line, and it certainly isn't a guage of quality.  But, it IS an indicator of which groups have managed to carve a place in pop cultural awareness with the younger crowd. Maybe the hipsters won't twig to Surfin' USA shirts, and Be True to Your School would be square.   But, Pet Sounds and SMiLE should be a different matter.

The question is, why isn't anyone working this angle? Bob Marley? He's cool. John Lennon? Got the shirt. Brian Wilson…. who?

Go ahead. Look.

http://www.hottopic.com/hottopic/Music/ShopByGenre/ClassicRock.jsp

All of this stuff is great. It just needs to implemented. I love The Beach Boys and their music needs to be heard. More people in my age group need to know about all of this great stuff. People tend to listen to what they easily have access to. They don't dig for music and usually good music is ignored because of their ignorance. That's why their music needs to be licensed to television and movies. It would expose their music to a wide audience of people that may have no idea this stuff exists. Maybe someday all of this will happen to a larger extent.

I remember seeing television ads for the TV movie "The '60s" and hearing the Beach Boys' "Don't Worry Baby" on the previews and being like "OH WOW."

Remember that TV movie (I think Carnie Wilson even appeared in it)? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0169528/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_8

I had been aware of the song, I'd heard the song a lot, my growing fandom had brought that into my orbit ... but I'd never heard it so isolated, with such a visual, with the drum sound so pronounced. It made me rush right over to my stereo and listen to the song a good four or five times in a row after.

The right use, the right promotion, the right grab, the right placement in advertising, promotion, movies, TV shows ... You're all right. There's no question. It makes a difference. Throw in a song that isn't so exposed elsewhere, it can be huge.

My dad brought to my attention that the Brian Wilson / BWPS version of "Good Vibrations" was used in the movie "Wild Hogs." Not a great flick, at all. Some moments that are snicker-worthy, but not one I'd recommend anyone spending more than a buck to see. Still, it WAS cool to see "Good Vibrations" in a movie (and that it wasn't the original hit version).

"Wild Hogs" info (note the cast ... how could it fail with Tim Allen, John Travolta, Martin Lawrence and William H. Macy?) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0486946/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

Double posting this in the Love & Mercy reviews thread as welll as here because it contains a mention of both.

http://www.billboard.com/articles/6415027/music-in-tv-and-film-2014-frozen-american-idol-biopics (http://www.billboard.com/articles/6415027/music-in-tv-and-film-2014-frozen-american-idol-biopics)


Sure sounds like a soundtrack is in the works to go along with the film.

Excellent post (as always) Howie.

Yeah, the Friends to Holland period is just stunning, unmatched by anyone.  I've not seen L&M yet but I hope the soundtrack is amply represented by Friends to Holland.

After seeing the movie, I think a soundtrack album of the score doesn't seem like something you would sit down and listen to for pleasure, but instead put on as a background piece, like an Eno record.

But background for what? Studying for your psych exam?

In a very recent Consequence of Sound interview, the director Bill Pohlad did say they were actively working on a soundtrack and that one would be released. This interview was published last week. FWIW.
 
http://consequenceofsound.net/2015/06/interview-director-bill-pohlad/ (http://consequenceofsound.net/2015/06/interview-director-bill-pohlad/)
 
Here is the pertinent passage:


I'm still holding out hope that there is something released.  Call me a completist, I guess.

Having not seen L&M yet, but I do know they brush through the early hits and focus on the time of PS and Smile, before jumping between that and BW in the 80s. It really adds to the myth that BW lay in bed from 1967 until the 80s. Again Wild Honey - Holland is ignored despite BW being very active at times and penning some tremendous songs during the period. 15 BO onwards is also ignored because it´s outright embarrassing and one rather pretend LY, MIU, KTSA etc never existed... and who can blame em?

Not only does the movie suggest Brian laid in bed unproductive immediately following SMiLE, it has Brian himself saying the other Beach Boys were working on "Smiley Smile" without him even though he was all over the sessions and album itself.

I would suggest seeing the movie before making these assumptions. It focuses so much on the two specific timeframes (66-67, mid-late 80’s), and everything else is non-formulaic enough, that there really isn’t any way, in my opinion, to come away assuming Brian stayed in bed after “Smile” until the 80’s.

I’ve never heard anyone suggest there is a myth that such a thing occurred anyway; the “myth” has really involved simply exaggerating his early-mid 70’s “time in bed.” And as far as that goes, this is one of the reasons you need to actually see the film. There is a scene where “80’s Brian” is asked by Melinda if he really stayed in bed for three (or some number, I can’t remember for sure) years, and Brian’s answer is perhaps one of the more telling moments of the film as far as the “myth” surrounding Brian. If anything, you come away with the impression that his “bed years” are partly if not completely a myth, one built up in part by Brian himself.

As far as ignoring other music from Brian’s career, that’s the whole point I think. That is, they didn’t do the traditional “biopic” thing where they cover all the years. First of all, that format usually ignores most of the material anyway (how much “Holland” material did you hear in “Summer Dreams”?). More importantly, the film is about Brian more than Brian’s music. Make no mistake, they integrate music into the film appropriately and the music content in the film gives the script context WAY more than most music-related dramas. But this isn’t meant to provide a thorough overview of his entire career. It’s more like “here’s a gifted, unique guy at two key musical and personal moments in his life.”

One of the things I knew would elicit raised eyebrows is the fact that the film focuses primarily on periods 1965-1967 and 1985-1987.  By choosing to do this, LOVE & MERCY allows for a more intimate character study and portrait than if it had tried to hit all the highs & lows.  To say nothing of the fact that it would take many hours to tell a more complete story.  By contrast, AN AMERICAN FAMILY spends its first half on 1962-1965 and still you never get the sense that anyone in the film is but a mere caricature of what they really were.  The second half of that mini-series spans 1965-1974 and glides over a lot of the most fertile creative points that LOVE & MERCY dissects.

Obviously, it is my opinion that LOVE & MERCY is on a whole other level artistically from any tv movie or mini-series done about Brian (and the Beach Boys) before.  I would have been happy with a 3 hour version of this film but that's not very commercial.  The original draft for LOVE & MERCY, according to Oren Moverman, did include a whole section for 1970s Brian.  And likely would have gone more in depth about  "the bed years" and how Landy came into the picture in the first place.

I think what LOVE & MERCY is trying to give you though is snapshots from the other portions of Brian's life, outside of those years that are primary focus.  We see, over the opening credits, about 4-5 minutes worth of 1963-1964 high points.  The success and ascent of stardom is implied  and then we are effectively dropped into the life of Brian Wilson in 1965 (roughly).  I feel like I'm repeating myself but doing this is really an inspired method of storytelling, in my opinion.  So much of the peak creativity, with Brian being in complete control of all things having to do with the band, come from those years that are dramatized in the Paul Dano portion of the film.  We don't need to know why Murry was fired; it's fairly evident from the scene where Brian plays "God Only Knows" for Murry that he was likely dismissed due to his overbearing and negative vibes. 

Furthermore, regarding the period following SMiLE being left to the imagination; it is implied that Brian went from having complete control of the band (which he did) to ceding control after the failure of SMiLE to materialize (which he did).  The Beach Boys of course built a studio at the Bel Air house and recorded SMILEY SMILE, WILD HONEY, FRIENDS, 20/20, etc.  I don't think I'm telling tales here that Brian's involvement has always been said to have been spotty on those  Based on the documentaries I've seen, it's always said that 'Brian would occasionally come out of his room and contribute'.  Did he write some songs for those albums, yes.  But unlike prior to SMiLE, the "band" was allowed (or forced, depending on your point of view) to have a much more prominent role.  Do we really need to see that part of the story in a film about Brian Wilson? 

There are two shots, lasting no more than 4-5 seconds a piece), of 1970s Brian in bed.  Face obscured by robe and girth.  One early in the film, really the 2nd shot of the film and then another much later.  I'm not 100% certain but I think the film is told from all different angles.  Obviously the 1980s scenes are told from Melinda's POV.  But I think the 1960s are told from Brian's POV.  1970s Brian is laying in bed remembering, or it is implied that he is.  Thinking back on it, I believe all of the Paul Dano scenese are basically bookended with the two shots I'm referring to.  I think those images, even without a dearth of background on the context, convey a real heaviness and emptiness of what was once a very vibrant and creative mind.  We don't need to see anymore, I know I didn't.  Did Brian get out of bed in the mid 1970s and make one of my favorite Beach Boys albums (LOVE YOU) yes, but in toto he was a shell of man he was from 1963-1967.  And within the confines of a 2 hour film I think LOVE & MERCY conveys all of this masterfully.

Could not have said it better. I was going to elaborate on this but wanted to wait until after seeing it again tomorrow. Because things happened in the real world with Brian that are not seen in the film does not mean that the film is implying they did not happen. Its a 2 hour film about Brian and to elaborate on more and more periods of his life would not have worked in the context of the storyline.

Include an epic intermission and I'm sold.  We haven't had an epic intermission since... Kung Pow?

I'm hoping that Pohlad follows in the footsteps of Terrence Malick and releases an extended directors cut of this movie on Blu-ray. If there is ANY movie that deserves an extended cut it's definitely Love and Mercy. Totally give us the option to watch the original, but I'd love to see an extended version with at least 20 minutes of deleted scenes.

On a side note, I think many of us here saw one of the deleted scenes during the time Love and Mercy premiered in Berlin. A Berlin TV station released a segment on Love and Mercy and I remember they aired a scene where Carl was talking with Brian about how brilliant the 'You Still Believe In Me' backing track was...I think it was that track because that scene segued right into the vocal recording of YSBIM.

Anyways, glad to see this film is still getting rave reviews.

Well it had points to hit without getting to deep. So I can easily overlook those.

+1 on all of this.  I don't quite remember that scene completely for YSBIM shown briefly on the Berlin TV station; I remember the line "Let's listen to some tracks" and then the YSBIM vocals.  My memory is fuzzy on the rest of it. 

Oren Moverman said in some interview that the first cut he saw was 2 hours, 20 minutes.  Hopefully we see those, like you mention.  That would be amazing.  I'm not 100% certain on any of this but I think some of the scenes would include (from the screenplay):

- Extended scene that opens film (actually comes later in the screenplay) with Tony Asher (he is actually talking to Tony Asher, but this is omitted from the finished film to make it look as though Brian is thinking aloud.
- Extended PET SOUNDS sessions scenes ("God Only Knows", "I'm Waiting For the Day")
- A very brief interaction with Phil Spector
- A scene with Melinda and her mother
- Extended "Surf's Up" scene with V.O. from the Leonard Bernstein special
- A brief scene with VDP where he and Brian write "Heroes & Villains"
- Extended "Elements: Fire" scene

There's more but I'm just going off of memory.

This is really at the heart of what being a fan of this music is all about. Having loved this music since 1973, the amount of "here comes a fantastic package of unreleased music....oh crap, never mind...here is another hits package for you. Just buy it." has been at the heart of the issues we have seen with this band. THEY don't really care (except monetarily) about releasing their unreleased tracks. It took JWG submitting an AWFUL tape to CBS in 1981 to get the group to pull together and get the TYOH discs compiled. Tho they have shown more interest lately (Mike helping on MIC), the group as a whole seems uninterested. Alan Jardine has been the only one who has consistently fought for such projects. I mean, how MANY SMiLE projects were promised before we finally got one? And lets be honest, as great as it was, it was WAY WAY TOO LATE! Not to get morbid, but the base for that kind of project is shrinking as we speak. The fact that two members of the group had already passed is testament to that. If these copyright releases like Keep An Eye On Summer are going to wait for the 50 year marks before being released, they might as well just hang it up.

It is going to take someone with not only the business savvy, but an actual love for this music to get it all out. I think we already have such players. But I also think they have been beaten down from the NO's they have gotten. Let's face it, why hire an Alan Boyd to be a custodian and a Mark Linnett as an archivist, if after a complete and exhaustive inventory of your audio and video holdings, you just say "Ok that's good. No we are not going to do anything with it. Thanks. Ship it all to Iron Mountain."

Hell, I am between jobs as a systems engineer. Call me LOL.

It's funny you mention that.  It wasn't until 2007, after Neil Aspinall was replaced (or whatever you want to call it) by Jeff Jones that the Beatles catalog finally got the overhaul it deserved.  And look at the tantalizing things that fanbase has gotten in the wake of that.  Every 6 months or a year something comes out.  

It is a miracle that we ever got THE SMILE SESSIONS and I'm grateful for it.  There have been other really cool releases but it all feels (sometimes) very haphazard.  When I first heard PET SOUNDS (1996, after seeing IJWMFTT) I got obsessed with it.  I happened to be working in a record store at the time and would read Billboard weekly.  I remember a full page ad that went something like 'Wouldn't It Be Nice to be a fly on the wall during the making of PET SOUNDS, well now you can' – it was an advertisement for THE PET SOUNDS SESSIONS.  Then a whole year went by before it finally came out.  I learned early on that Beach Boys stuff walks to the beat of its own drummer.  I guess patience is a virtue.

Back on topic...  if anyone from Capitol is reading this please give us a puff of smoke about a LOVE & MERCY soundtrack or score.  Pretty please, with sugar on top.

I know this is slightly off topic, but this gets to the heart of what we are talking about. Don't let the Brad Elliott by line throw you. It really is good reading. I asked for this back in 2009 and of course the guys on the board came through!

Here is the article in question, Bob. Makes for interesting reading!



Sifting Sands: Ten Years Of Harmony

Brad Elliott

For most Beach Boys fans the recent CBS compilation, Ten Years Of Harmony, was a welcome addition to their collection. The handsomely packaged set included not only several single mixes and edits previously unavailable in album format, but also a previously unreleased single mix ("School Days"), and two tracks which had never seen the light of day in any form ("San Miguel" and "Sea Cruise").

The assembling of Ten Years Of Harmony however, proved to be no easy task. CBS executives spent more than a year working to release the package.  In the course of that year the album underwent several major revisions and countless minor changes.  To some of those involved, the final package was a severe disappointment.

The idea of a compilation album was first proposed in the fall of 1980.  As originally planned, Ten Years’ Harmony, an original title, would have been only one disc.  The target release date was January, 1981.  Early on, CBS pegged "Come Go With Me" as the album's first single.  Also scheduled for inclusion were "San Miguel", the vetoed mix of "School Days" and, at Bruce Johnston's insistence, "The Lord's Prayer". ("That's gonna go in the compilation album",  Bruce said last February.  "We're gonna lease that from Capitol. Lease it back and put it on, because it's never been on an album").

Before a track lineup could be formed, however, the album's release was postponed to May and then to September.

Among the group members, Bruce at least was thinking about the track lineup.  "The compilation album, if we get it out, will be, on the fan level, the best album they've ever had.  Because it's gonna cover all the period from, say, ‘68, ‘69 on.  It's gonna get the best of everything, like "Til I Die," "Disney Girls," "Sail On Sailor," "San Miguel".

Bruce’s most ambitious thoughts concerned the Smile tapes.  "We're gonna collage the Smile album in this compilation.  We're gonna go through the Smile album and just take little, sections of the tunes we have and put it out as a kind of sampler of the Smile album.  We're just going to skim the Smile tapes and make a beautiful six minute collage".  He was quick to add, "Brian doesn't know this".

CBS kept the compilation album on its list of projected September releases, and in July received from Caribou records a master for the record:

Side One: "The Trader", "Deidre", "Long Promised Road", "The Night Was So Young", "Sail On Sailor", "Come Go With Me".

Side Two: "Marcella", "Surf's Up", "Cool Cool Water", "Don't Go Near The Water", "Talk To Me", "Til I Die".

CBS executives were dumbfounded.  This was not the record they had expected.

Within a few short weeks, CBS' questions were answered. A CBS promotion man mentioned the tape to Bruce Johnston, who expressed complete surprise at the existence of a track lineup.  The Beach Boys, Bruce insisted, had made no such thing. It quickly became evident that Caribou president James William Guercio had thrown the tape together, reportedly because the Beach Boys had seemed in no hurry to assemble a lineup.

In a subsequent conference telephone call, Bruce, Mike Love, Alan Jardine, and CBS’ two in-house Beach Boy fans brainstormed a rough lineup for a two-record set.  Agreed upon were:

"Add Some Music", "Roller Skating Child", "Disney Girls", "It's A Beautiful Day", "California Saga: California", "Marcella", "Rock And Roll Music", "Goin' On", "It's OK", "Cool Cool Water", "San Miguel", "Good Timin’", "Sail On Sailor", either "Wouldn't It Be Nice"(live) or "Darlin’" (live), "Lady Lynda", "The Trader", "Come Go With Me", "Deidre", "Mona", "Don't Go Near The Water", "Surf's Up", "She's Got Rhythm", "Honkin’ Down The Highway", "’Til I Die", "Long Promised Road", and either "River Song", or "You And I" (both from Dennis' Pacific Ocean Blue).

Suggested by the CBS executives, but vetoed by the three Beach Boys, were the studio version of "We Got Love", "Child Of Winter", and the unreleased single mix of "School Days".

However, the Beach Boys suggested several ‘bonus’ tracks which they would be interested in including.  If the tapes could be found, they suggested including a song from the encore (with Elton John) of the group's June 3, 1972 London concert, and "Jumpin’ Jack Flash" from the Washington, D.C. show of the 1975 Beachago tour.  There was also talk of the group making a quick trip into the studio to cut "Back In The USSR".

By late September the contents were firming up.  The tentative lineup at that time was:

Side One: "Add Some Music To Your Day", "Roller Skating Child", "Disney Girls", "It's A Beautiful Day", "California Saga: California" (preferably the single version, if the master tape could be found), "Marcella".

Side Two: "Rock And Roll Music", "Goin’ On", "It's OK", "Cool Cool Water" (the single edit, hopefully), "San Miguel", "Good Timin’", "Sail On Sailor".

Side Three: "Darlin’" (live), "Lady Lynda", "Sea Cruise", "The Trader", "Mona", "Don't Go Near The Water" (or possibly "Feel Flows"), "Surf's Up".

Side Four: "Come Go With Me", "Deidre" (or maybe "This Whole World"), "She's Got Rhythm", "River Song", "Long Promised Road", "Honkin’ Down The Highway", "Til I Die".

As the cover art was worked up and liner notes drafted, David Leaf, author of The Beach Boys And The California Myth was asked for his advice.  He submitted another track proposal:

Side One: "Surf's Up", "Cool Cool Water" (45 edit), "This Whole World", "Add Some Music To Your Day", "Disney Girls", "Feel Flows", "’Til I Die".

Side Two: "Long Promised Road", "San Miguel", "Marcella", "Sail On Sailor", "The Trader", "California Saga: California" -(45 mix).

Side Three: "Good Timin’", "Goin’ On", "Sweet Sunday Kind Of Love", "Matchpoint Of Our Love", "The Night Was So Young", "Baby Blue", "Lady Lynda".

Side Four: "Come Go With Me", "It's OK", "Rock And Roll Music", "It's A Beautiful Day", "Sea Cruise", "She's Got Rhythm", "Roller Skating Child".

Although Leaf's grouping of tracks somewhat chronologically and by tempo was not adopted, his efforts were directly responsible for the inclusion, on the next CBS lineup, of "This Whole World" and "Feel Flows" instead of "Mona" and "Honkin' Down The Highway".  Also added, at the insistence of CBS, was the single mix of "School Days".

Approximately a month before the album's release, Carl Wilson went into the group's tape library to find the master tapes for the twenty eight songs.  Luck was with him and all the masters were located, including those for the "California Saga" and "Cool Cool Water" singles.  Also, it was at that time that the compilation's last track, "Wontcha Come Out Tonight" was added, bringing the number of included songs to twenty nine, and finalizing the track lineup.

One last problem remained: the inner gatefold.  The photo of the group, taken backstage at the 1977 Central Park concert, already had been selected.  At issue was a proposal to “doctor” Bruce into it.  Carl put his foot down. Bruce was not a Beach Boy on a par with the others, and should not be included in the main photo.  If Bruce wanted his photo on the album, Carl stated, he could have a small 'mug' shot. Bruce decided that if he wasn't wanted in the main photo, he didn't want to be pictured on the album.  He is not.

Carl also insisted that individual production credits be given, prompting a few minor squabbles in places (most notably whether Brian would be credited for tracks from the MIU album: he is on only "Wontcha Come Out Tonight," which he wrote and sang.  At about the same time, the planned liner notes were shelved and replaced by the song lyrics.  That decision was probably CBS’.  The record was due for release immediately, and another squabble, which the liner notes likely would have generated, might have caused further delay.

Despite the many problems in assembling and releasing Ten Years Of Harmony, CBS is pleased with the package, and already is considering a one-record Ten Years Of Harmony, Vol. 2. for release next fall.

Damn.

http://www.hitfix.com/immaculate-noise/atticus-ross-success-is-a-bad-business-model-on-love-mercy-trent-reznor (http://www.hitfix.com/immaculate-noise/atticus-ross-success-is-a-bad-business-model-on-love-mercy-trent-reznor)

Newly posted interview (I think) with Atticus Ross.  Some nice little tidbits.  Interview isn't completely focused on LOVE & MERCY.

Probably a dumb question but...does anyone know if, in order to be nominated for an Oscar for Best Original Score if a score has to actually be released?

I'm not sure on that (my guess without checking the rules would be no; it's being recognized for its place in the film, not as an album release; not releasing a score in any format whatsoever undoubtedly does not *help* its chances, though). But I think some discussion of the score has mentioned that, because some of it is derived from older compositions/recordings, it would not be eligible for an Academy Award as an "original" score.

That isn't to take away from the work Atticus Ross did on this at all. It NEEDS to be released. And, if anything, again as others have discussed, some sort of alternate award category ("Best Adapted Score", etc.) perhaps should be created for scenarios like this.

Thanks HJ.  Good point about the "original" part of it since the bulk of the score was sourced.  A unique category for "Best Adapted Score or Soundtrack" would remedy that nicely.  The score of this movie is such a delight.  After you've heard the material 1,000 times and committed it to memory, hearing a different spin on it is very refreshing.

I just saw this while perusing Twitter, I don't claim to know what this means...I'm sure Atticus Ross has a lot of "cool unreleased material" but I sure hope it is what I hope it is.   :brow

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Sweet God in heaven...let this be true:

http://www.amazon.com/Love-Mercy-Soundtrack/dp/B0123VJ88I/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&qid=1438025645&sr=8-13&keywords=love+and+mercy+soundtrack

Audio CD (September 18, 2015)
Label: Capitol
ASIN: B0123VJ88I

...

Also posted this in the Love & Mercy News thread.  Felt like spreading the news.

I happened to be looking at other Roadside Attractions films (MAGGIE & MR. HOLMES) and notices that their soundtracks were/will be released some time following the initial theatrical push.  MAGGIE came out on May 8th and the soundtrack just got released on Varese Sarabande, coincidentally the DVD/Blu-ray just came out on that title.  And MR. HOLMES was just released theatrically in the last two weeks.  The soundtrack for that is listed as being released August 28th, via Lakeshore Records. 

It doesn't make a ton of sense to me, but maybe that's what RA likes to do with soundtracks, release them closer to the home video push.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Great news if it pans out. I am very much looking forward to this.

That's an odd release date; that's a Friday. Usually it's Tuesday.

Interestingly, September 18th was set to be the fist date on the aborted UK tour. Maybe the release of this, and promotion of same constitute the commitments cited for cancelling the dates. We'll see...

I thought the same. But it's the same week the BD/DVD comes out (September 15th).

FWIW...the MAGGIE soundtrack (also from Roadside Attractions) came out on July 24th, last Friday. Two weeks removed from the BD/DVD of that title.

Maybe Friday is the new Tuesday, in their world.  :lol

http://www.billboard.com/articles/business/6487289/friday-global-record-release-day-ifpi

Nice. I had no idea it was "official" now.

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 8)

Also listed on amazon's uk and Jp sites…

I think the filmmakers made a mistake in not featuring more of Brian's 80's music. Seems like the only 80's song anyone will remember is Love and Mercy. Would've been cool to have a few scenes of Brian/Cusak demoing Melt Away, Water Builds Up, Rio Grande. Inclusions like those would have helped create an interesting and different soundtrack album. As it is, I see little use for a soundtrack cd.

That score, man!  That's the reason for this soundtrack.

“Black Hole" composed by Atticus Ross contains portions of:

    Don’t Worry Baby
    California Girls
    Good To My Baby
    Help Me, Rhonda
    Wendy
    Dance, Dance, Dance
    Denny’s Drums
    Fun, Fun, Fun

“End Date” composed by Atticus Ross contains portions of:

    Don’t Talk (Put Your Head on My Shoulder)

“Believe” composed by Atticus Ross contains portions of:

    You Still Believe In Me
    Don’t Talk (Put Your Head on My Shoulder)
    Pet Sounds

“Silhouette” composed by Atticus Ross contains portions of:

    God Only Knows
    Let’s Go Away For Awhile
    Don’t Talk (Put Your Head on My Shoulder)
    Sloop John B

“Headphones” composed by Atticus Ross contains portions of:

    I Live For the Sun — The Sunrays
    I Know THere’s An Answer
    Sloop John B
    Pet Sounds
    Dance, Dance, Dance
    Don’t Talk (Put Your Head on My Shoulder)
    Help Me, Rhonda
    Here Today

“Knives and Forks” composed by Atticus Ross contains portions of:

    God Only Knows

“Deep End” composed by Atticus Ross contains portions of:

    Heroes and Villains
    Barnyard
    I Love to Say Da Da
    Wind Chimes
    Don’t Worry Baby
    Our Prayer

“B&M Studio” composed by Atticus Ross contains portions of:

    Don’t Talk (Put Your Head on My Shoulder)

“Baby No Morph” composed by Atticus Ross contains portions of:

    I Love to Say Da Da
    Here Today
    Don’t Talk (Put Your Head on My Shoulder)

“Bed Montage” composed by Atticus Ross contains portions of:

    Don’t Worry Baby
    California Girls

“Into Mercy” composed by Atticus Ross contains portions of:

    God Only Knows

Nah, I can't see those fitting very well. They did a brilliant job on the soundtrack, if you think otherwise... Where would you stick Rio Grande in the film? I don't think new scenes documenting BW88 would've served the story they were trying to tell.

Great news on the soundtrack, tho! Fantastic.

Though I love those songs, I think leaving Love and Mercy as the only '88 track was a perfect decision by the filmmakers. You get to see Brian demo it kinda, then at the end he sings it the audience himself - giving it closure. Having him demo Melt Away and Rio Grande would've left the filmmakers no choice but to add in a scene where BW '88 is released (you need to kinda give it closure), and that would've detracted a bit from the whole plot of the movie.

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Even that I don't consider being a track from the '88 album, given that the concert version much more closely resembles the '94 version...

Yeah, that's true.

So all that horsecrap certain members were posting the other day about Mike Love sabotaging the release of the soundtrack was exactly that - horsecrap.

I'll be damned if I can figure out the legalities of these things. Itunes has this....

https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/love-mercy-soundtrack-2015/id1015922439

Product quoting the movie, Brian, with Beach Boys songs sung by soundalikes. How do they do it?

My spidersenses tell me some folks wanted it to be true though…

I see the soundtrack is attributed to "various artists" even tho' the Atticus Rose stuff seems to be all Beach Boys… assume therefore a blend of Brian solo stuff and Beach Boys stuff.

That's such a shame as he's left the Beach Boys behind and this is his moment in the sun and they did so much to hold him back and I'm certain they tried to delay this release and I hope they wipe their contributions off the tapes before this gets released and he just needs a big cuddle really.  I've got one at my house he could have. He's not hungry, he just thinks he's hungry. ;)

Yah, i would've liked that (there's so many '60s studio scenes as it is; why not show Brian at work in the '80s). But i guess it works best the way it turned out. The scenes of Brian "practicing" Let's Go to Heaven in My Car at the piano and Melinda meeting Brian at the studio give a good sense of how recording music was for him by that point.

Breaking news: no-one here (OK, almost no-one here) has anything more than the wispiest notion of the internal workings of BriMel, BRI and the like. The real problem, and it's becoming increasingly scary, is that some don't know how much they don't know.

180 degree turn, which I must share: on A. N. Other forum, a poster condemned the soundtrack, claiming it was sub-par and why did they have to use a bad cover band - The California Beach Buoys - instead of the original BB tracks. He'd seen the film, then ten days later heard the soundtrack, or so he claimed. This is that album:

Love and Mercy "soundtrack" (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Love-Mercy-Music-Inspired-Wilson/dp/B0116JF5Z8/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1438074488&sr=8-1&keywords=love+and+mercy+inspired)

Laugh ? I had to change my shorts.  ;D

Yup, lot's of thumping of chests and now...crickets. Would love to hear some apologies. How about those with "insider" information give us updates on what changed???

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Looks legit.  :lol

That has been on iTunes since early July. Just someones idea of a "Soundtrack Cover Album".  Must be a new genre.

Luckily, that release has zero to do with the actual LOVE & MERCY Soundtrack that is due on September 18th.

Well, it's got the same name, so it has Sth to do with the actual one

I'm sure I share the same name with many people but they have nothing to do with me, personally.  Just making the point so no one scrolling through this thread confuses things.

At any rate, for those interested, Barnes & Noble has the listing on their site as well.  And you can actually pre-order there.  Amazon hasn't given the option yet to pre-order.  And for anyone keeping score at home, the UPC is 0602547507976.

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/love-mercy/28959332?ean=0602547507976 (http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/love-mercy/28959332?ean=0602547507976)

Hoping for cover art and track-listing soon.

Someone created a Wikipedia entry (not me I swear!) for the L&M Soundtrack.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_%26_Mercy_%28soundtrack%29 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_%26_Mercy_%28soundtrack%29)

Haven't skimmed it to see if any new info is present...on my way out the door from work.

Although obviously happy that it's happening now, the sad truth is that by not having all the shareholders sign off on the OST in the early spring -- when the original screenings were held -- there's a very real chance that the soundtrack will miss out on Grammy consideration.

Most of Grammy voters have had ample time to live with the soundtrack discs before the 10/2 official deadline.

Hopefully we're gonna get to the point when the parties realize that it's ONE brand.

I doubt that will ever happen, at least until there's only one party to make the choice

Amazon doesn't have a release date on its page anymore. And the B&N page is skimpy at best.

Count me skeptical until we have a press release.

And I will never apologize for believing the worst about Mike. He has earned it.

I noticed Monday night on my Amazon app that the release date wasn't there. If you go to the actual web, via an actual web browser, it has the same listing that has been there Monday.

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B&N actually has more info than the Amazon page has, specifically the UPC code.

Last night, I did a quick chat with Amazon customer service and inquired about the listing. I was told that these types of listings come directly from the source provider, in this case the label. So it is as "official" as you can get, at this point, I think.

And, count me as someone that thinks maybe this was the plan all along. That is, to release the soundtrack at the same time as the BD/DVD. That has been the pattern with other recent Roadside Attractions films if you look at the release dates; clearly this doesn't deviate from their recent norm.

Basically, I don't think Myke Luhv has anything to do with he delay.

I think one can imply from the director's comments that they wanted this out several months ago, and that some sort of delay did occur.  Whomever is at fault, I'm pretty sure they would have had this out around May if they could have. It may have been delayed to the point where they felt it was better to tie it into the BD/DVD release than nothing at all.

So JCM,

I'm curious -- is your theory that Mike Love's camp (can't do the cutesy name spell, sorry) had nothing to do with (at least) the soundtrack's delay only have to do with Roadside Attractions' recent soundtracks corresponding with their DVD releases OR from your conversations with numerous people involved in the film, the Beach Boys, the soundtrack?

 Or is it a combination of both?

I recall the interview from early June where Bill Pohlad said 'we’re working on it now, there are complications because there are bits of songs from different eras, and it should be out soon after the film', or something like that.

Just trying to stick with what is known, rather than what is not known. Opinions are fine and I have mine too, quite frankly all I care about is that the thing is finally come out. That's what matters most to me.

Obviously I have no connections to anyone, nor do not claim to.

I only know what I have read, that a soundtrack would come out (Billboard, last September and several times since) and comments from the parties involved (Bill Pohlad, Oren Moverman) in interviews. I'm not privy to any "inside" information.

If you know something that's fine, definitely not trying to step on anyone's toes.

I want the soundtrack, JCM! ;D

I know something.

You and me both, homie. I'm tempted to speculate what might be on it but I don't want to start that..

When I click on the 'See all formats and editions' link the  'Audio CD, September 18, 2015' still comes up.

Date still comes up further down page under 'Product Details' as well.

I won't enjoy listening to it as much if it hasn't got a Grammy. :(

Don't be glum - Follow L&M OST up by listening to Carl's reissue CD coming out roughly the same time.  That's got a Grammy.

Howie, you're just a big ol' tease.  ;D

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/love-mercy-cd-original-soundtrack/4335120.p?id=3412304&skuId=4335120 (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/love-mercy-cd-original-soundtrack/4335120.p?id=3412304&skuId=4335120)

Neat, the soundtrack is listed on the Best Buy website now.

I believe this hasn't been posted here yet; forgive me if'n I'm wrong:

http://www.boards2go.com/boards/board.cgi?action=read&id=1438342495.23752&user=bellagio

Thus:

http://www.soundtrack.net/movie/love-and-mercy/

Yeah JCM picked it up in June. Guess we will see.

The inclusion of a track entitled "End Date" raised a small smile.  Doubtless at the insistence of You Know Who. :)

Seriously, there's over 50 titles listed there so... unless some of the Ross compositions are brief in the extreme, can't see it being a single CD, as advertised... unless (encore) some of those titles listed are not separate tracks but used by Ross in his original work, and listed for copyright reasons. Doesn't matter*, really anticipating this.

[* I lie - of course it does.  ;D ]

That's just a reproduction of the credits from the end of the film listing every scrap of music included.

That's not the CD track list.

If there's a CD to begin with.

True - I hear they're going to issue it solely on Edison cylinders and single-sided Berliner discs.

Really hope they just release the Ross score as-is and maybe include outtakes or extended versions that didn't make the cut.

Just to be clear, when I posted the link to Soundtrack.net (http://www.soundtrack.net/movie/love-and-mercy/) I was just pointing out that they had listed all of the contents from the Press Kit, of the films' soundtrack, and it was much easier to read that listing. Not that this full listing would eventually become the soundtrack album.

It's cool now though that they also list the release of the physical soundtrack, linking back to Amazon I presume. Didn't check. I can only guess but surely we'll see full details of the soundtrack release in the next couple of weeks or so? I'm checking daily, who am I kidding, multiple times a day.

Since we seem to now be speculating about what will be included on the soundtrack album, I'll join in. The Atticus Ross score is truly about 15-20 minutes worth of actual music. Unless there are slightly extended versions of some of the collages, which there probably are for at least some of them. But that still doesn't flesh out a complete CD or digital release. I'm going to just guess that if the music is licensed by UME then it will probably be on the soundtrack. I hope some of the music from in studio, the "live" versions with the musicians are included. But those could be problematic because of dialogue bleeding in. Just guessing.

But, bottom line, I would put money on at least all of Atticus Ross' work being included.

Eight track or it didn't happen.

My guess is we get all of the score -- say, 20 minutes. Then 3-4 Pet Sounds tunes, at least one track from Smile, the title tune and One Kind of Love to close.

40 minutes, max.

You mean "If there is a CD to begin with." Right?

Goodness knows, BB/BW releases always come out as planned.

That would be the understatement of two centuries!   :lol

I know where you are coming from. However, your posts when taken literally almost seem like you are rooting for this to be wrong so you can say "See, I told  you so!"

I'm just passing along information as I find it on the web. And  I hope the release comes out as planned. There.

Nah! It was a yuk!  :lol

After waiting 37 years for Smile, I can relax with all of this...when I see it I believe it!

The Beach Boys are the masters of surprises!

Que sera, sera...

Wasn't specifically directing my comment to you, but I can only imagine.

Gotta remain hopeful though! :)

That would be highly acceptable, sir. Highly acceptable, I say.

wow there's a lot of songs listed, some twice ("Good Vibrations").

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I notice the ones that are listed twice tend to be the ones performed by both the Beach Boys and either the "Love & Mercy Musicians" or Paul Dano - so we'll get both versions. And in the case of Good Vibrations, might we get some isolated vocals like we heard (to our amazement) in the movie? Note this blurb in the second listing: "Contains voice excerpts of Brian Wilson, Carl Wilson, Dennis Wilson, Chuck Britz and Hal Blaine"....intriguing.

That's just the list of music performed in the movie. Not the soundtrack's contents.


Again, that list is just the music performed in the movie. It's not the lineup for the soundtrack. There's no such listing available yet.

If you’ve seen the movie, you’ve seen that there isn’t much in the way of full songs, especially if we’re talking about Ross’s score as opposed to the re-creations of actual BB, Brian, or studio performances. The lists of Ross’s work appear to be simply lists of all the fragments and excerpts he used in his collages. The big long lists appear to be a case of listing every song from which any sort of fragment or partial performance is included, including the in-studio re-creations and whatnot.

We don’t even know yet if this CD would be a “soundtrack” or the “score”, or a combination of both. If it’s a “score”, which is really the only thing that’s worth putting out on CD, we’ll be getting Ross’s ambient score which weaves fragments of BB tracks in and out of Ross’s own compositions.

If we’re getting a “soundtrack”, then for all we know we may be getting all or mostly old BB master recordings “featured in the film”, perhaps with “One Kind of Love” and maybe some version of “Love and Mercy.” I hope we don’t get this, because then we’d just be getting an alternate hits package.

We could certainly get a hybrid of the two. I could envision a Ross score with “One Kind of Love” tacked on at the end.

Ideally, they would fill out a CD with all of the unedited cues Ross submitted for the film that were used, and then fill it out with any additional cues Ross composed, and then if, and only if, there is room left over, then tack on “One Kind of Love” and anything else they want.

This should be a “Love & Mercy – The Original Motion Picture Score” CD with Atticus Ross’s name on it, with appropriate credits pertaining to the original BB recordings utilized. 

Good Vibrations "Persuasion" session highlights play during the credits.

Amazon's listing is now called "Music From" L&M, which suggests that none of the score might be included. That is, they're not billing it as a soundtrack.

Still so very little information to go off of, but that doesn't make me optimistic. I was also recently thinking that Capitol is a less likely candidate to put out a movie score, and more likely to do essentially an L&M-themed hits CD (plus they have the current rights to "One Kind of Love").

Does someone know how many actual movie *scores* (not soundtracks) Capitol has put out lately? Usually scores for even major studio releases are put out on smaller labels.

What I *don't* want to see is a hits-filled "soundtrack" CD sprinkled with a few Atticus Ross score bits as link tracks.

Quick glance at the Capitol Records site shows two soundtrack releases from the last few years: "House of Lies" and "This Is 40". Good thing for "Love & Mercy" is that all of the songs utilized by Atticus Ross are owned by UME/Capitol. Quite a few of the songs used in the film are owned by UME so they could, theoretically, be easy to include ("Nowhere to Run" or "You Don't Have to Say You Love Me", for example). Still others, while maybe being under license by UME, wouldn't necessarily need to be included. Songs that weren't really in the foreground of their respective scenes. Anything heard at the car dealership, for example.

I noticed the title correction on both Amazon and B&N, now "Music From Love & Mercy" as mentioned previously. I don't find that alarming necessarily. This is a unique situation where the actual 'film score' (80-90% of it, according to Ross) is made up of source material.

One bonus to the soundtrack not just being solely a 'film score' would be the possible inclusion of isolated vocals like the one's found in the "Good Vibrations" scenes. Because there is live music being played by the in-film studio musicians along with actual backing track, along with isolated vocals..it would be difficult sure, but would be thrilling if that was included. I don't think those isolated vocals have ever been released, what an awesome time for that! Also, the splendid version of "Love & Mercy" from the 2000s that closes the film, the source of which I still cannot find. And how could I forget the last little easter egg to fans at the closing of the credits from the "Good Vibrations" sessions. The film is filled with music, but I can see how compiling this soundtrack must've been a nightmare.

Anyway, worth mentioning Soundtrack.net has two listings for the film. One for the films' soundtrack, previously posted in this thread, and another for the soundtrack release: http://www.soundtrack.net/album/love-and-mercy/. No info yet, same as the other outlets.

Hopefully soon!

Outside of the actual score, I'd love to see 30 seconds of isolated GV vocals, but I wouldn't think that sort of stuff would appear on such a release.

I certainly don't need to see the other artist vintage songs heard a few times in the movie.

You mean you don't need more Ramsey Lewis Trio or Yardbirds in your life?  :lol

OK, so I'm not saying this is cemented but after doing my thrice (or more) per day web searches (sue me) I found this:

http://www.universal-music.co.jp/brian-wilson/news/2015/08/7#JyIeE2JrHJLP3URb.99 (http://www.universal-music.co.jp/brian-wilson/news/2015/08/7#JyIeE2JrHJLP3URb.99)

1. The Black Hole – Atticus Ross and Leopold Ross
2. Don’t Worry Baby – The Beach Boys
3. Silhouette – Atticus Ross and Leopold Ross
4. God Only Knows – Paul Dano
5. God Only Knows – The Beach Boys
6. Believe – Atticus Ross, Leopold Ross and Nick Chuba
7. Good Vibrations – The Beach Boys
8. Losing It – Atticus Ross
9. I’m Right Here – Atticus Ross and Leopold Ross
10. The Bed Montage – Atticus Ross, Leopold Ross, The Beach Boys, The Four Freshmen
11. Intersection – Atticus Ross
12. Love and Mercy (Live) – Brian Wilson
13. One Kind of Love – Brian Wilson

Atticus Ross score tracks in bold. Missing are at least 2-3 tracks from listed in the films credits and in the EPK (notably, "Silhouette" and "Headphones"). Of course, that could come down to translation differences. Still marvelous feeling to have stumbled across this info! Even if the soundtrack is missing a few bits of score, I'm very pleased we'll be getting what we get. Hoping that "Good Vibrations" includes some of the isolated vocals heard in the film. And the "Bed Montage" is splendid because of the use of the isolated Mike Love vocal "these things I'll be...til I die". Very exciting!

Who knows if this is what we will get state side and in the UK but it's definitely official, it's on the UME Japan site after all.

Here's the translation, using Google, of the Japanese text:

"In public than 8/1, the original soundtrack of the movie Brian Wilson Certified "Love and Mercy melody that does not end" will be release.

Digital release August 14 plan.

Contents, movie ending song "One Kind Of Love", original music three songs of Beach Boys, the Beach Boys by Paul Dano, who played Brian officers cover, such as the score by Atticus Ross is recorded You.

で詳細を読む"

That August 14 date is curious, digital release of the film or the soundtrack? Of course the date listed on most sites (Amazon, B&N, Best Buy, FYE) is September 18th.

Had to pass it along..

"Does not end"? Well, this is going to be value for money.

That's a CD I'd buy in a heartbeat.

Thank you for posting! If that is the soundtrack I couldn't be more pleased.

Having only seen the film once, I'm not an expert on the Ross score bits. But if there is any substantial amount of his score missing from the CD, that would be a bummer. I don't mind interspersing other tracks when there's room for it and the score is there in full. I would hope, if there is a substantial amount of missing score, a separate digital release of the unedited version might surface (and/or appear on CD via an indie label).

I also get it that, even more than something like "Made in California" that's weirdly targeted in part at hardcore fans yet still includes a ton of stuff they already have, this L&M soundtrack is targeted at a wider, different audience. (Though, I'd still say a good hunk of anyone with even a passing interest in the film and soundtrack probably already own the three BB classics.).

I'm still obviously very happy to see this released. I guess I can't get too worked up about possible missing score cues considering I don't know how much, if anything, is missing.

It will be interesting to see if the BW and BB tracks are just the stock masters, or if they're remixed or presented in an altered form of any sort. Not much left to do with them, other than remixing them *again* in stereo. 

I was hoping that Dano's solo piano version of Surf's Up would've been included.

I'd rather have that than another DWB or GV. 

Oh well. 

I think that particular soundtrack is exclusive to Japan and may not be the 'actual' soundtrack we'll get in September. Also, the title of the soundtrack is "Owaranai Merodi" which basically translates to "Endless Melody".

The missing tracks are "End Date", "Headphones", "Knives and Forks", "Deep End", "B&M Studio", "Baby No Morph", and "Into Mercy"
The newly titled pieces are "Losing It", "I'm Right Here", and "Intersection".

I would guess that "Knives and Forks" and "Headphones" were cut, since it's just 20 seconds of screaming and tapping.

EDIT: Wait, no "Love & Mercy Owaranai Merodi" is what the film is titled in Japan. I dunno.

Ditto. But this is shaping up to be a great soundtrack. Besides, Bluray affords certain capabilities should any one pursue them. ;)

Yea, it's a little hard to tell because some of the translations might be off. To better describe where each of these fit in the film, maybe the following will help (these titles are from Soundtrack.net & the EPK, plus film credits):

Black Hole - Heard as the film opens, after the short prologue scene with Paul Dano. The complete darkness that eventually illuminates the single ear. Just a beautiful sound collage that takes you inside Brian's head.

End Date - Heard as Elizabeth Banks and John Cusack say goodnight after their first date. It's very faint and brief. Unless there is a translation issue, this isn't present on the CD.

Believe - Heard as Cusack & Banks converse over dinner and he explains where he is in life at this point. I believe this track is reprised when they make love later in the film. Also, I think, at several other intervals where Melinda is pensively thinking about what to do.

Silhouette - Heard as Dano lays on the hood of his Corvette Stingray and hears sounds. Hal Blaine's character approaches and they converse.

Headphones - Heard when Murry's character comes to the studio during the recording of "Caroline, No" and plays the acetate of "I Live For the Sun" to chastise Brian. Dano retreats from the control room to the studio and puts on the headphones only to hear voices and a cacophony of noise. Unless there is a translation issue, this isn't present on the CD. And maybe that's because of the inclusion of "I Live For the Sun". I'm just speculating. However, this track in the film is unhindered by dialogue so if you wanted to you could probably extract the audio from the DVD or BD. Maybe this is "Losing It"?

Knives and Forks - Self explanatory. Not on the soundtrack, at least it doesn't appear so.

Deep End - Heard as Dano flails in the deep end of the pool, seeminly drowning in his emotions and "SMiLE". Like Headphones, this is dialogue free so it could be extracted more or less intact. Unless there is a translation issue, this isn't present on the CD.

B&M Studio - Heard as Landy's character interupts Banks & Cusack while she comes to see him in the studio and she pleads with him to leave. Unless there is a translation issue, this isn't present on the CD. Although, I think this might be "I'm Right Here".

Baby No Morph - Heard as Dano sits at the edge of the pool and Marilyn's character calls to him 'she's got your smile'. It's pretty brief. Unless there is a translation issue, this isn't present on the CD.

Bed Montage - Heard as Cusack lays in bed and enters a 'wormhole' and has the "2001" moment.

Into Mercy - Heard as Brian asks Melinda to drive him home. Very brief. I guess this is retitled on the CD as "Intersection".


I'm thinking some of this stuff might be 'lost in translation' or maybe retitled for the CD release. It may all be there after all...

I agree that Headphones is likely Losing It.

What does it mean when you're Losing It? That you're falling off the Deep End.

This is very true. My reasoning was based on the sequencing but "Deep End" makes just as much sense based on the sequence of the CD. Good call.

I was just looking on the B&N website and noticed the Sales Rank was 118. Considering last week it was like 200,000 something, that's pretty sweet.

It's out tomorrow!

 From FB

Ahhh awesome! Looks like the aforementioned Japanese track listing is the same as this US version:

1. The Black Hole – Atticus Ross
2. Don’t Worry Baby – The Beach Boys
3. Silhouette – Atticus Ross
4. God Only Knows – Paul Dano
5. God Only Knows – The Beach Boys
6. Believe – Atticus Ross
7. Good Vibrations – The Beach Boys
8. Losing It – Atticus Ross
9. I’m Right Here – Atticus Ross
10. The Bed Montage – Atticus Ross, The Beach Boys, The Four Freshmen
11. Intersection – Atticus Ross
12. Love and Mercy (Live) – Brian Wilson
13. One Kind of Love – Brian Wilson

better buy it as soon as it's up for purchase, before the lawsuits shut it down...

I hope the CD cover is the film poster..  Brian's FB seems to suggest that.

If it's the DVD cover, I'll just buy the digital download.

Good find guys...

BOOM!

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And of course...they got me again. I'll end up buying the soundtrack download tomorrow, because I have no ability to delay gratification. :lol And I'll turn around and buy the CD release in September. Same with the movie on iTunes August 25th. I have to have it immediately..that bonus material is calling to me. But I'll still buy the BD in September, have had it pre-ordered since mid July.

This is me...

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JCM, call out of work tomorrow! ;D

Imagine that.  ;)

I'm surprised there weren't more Beach Boys songs included.  Like Surf's Up, In My Room, Wouldn't It Be Nice, and Til I Die which were all very prominently featured in the movie.  But that's a minor complaint as we all own enough versions of those songs already.

EDIT: In My Room and 'Til I Die as they appear in the film are part of the "Bed Montage" on the soundtrack album, it's probably my favorite track on the album as well.

Am I the only one who's really disappointed they didn't throw in at least one goodie from the archives? Something from the Bedroom Tapes?

I would guess that list on the same lines aswell. :)

I'm hoping maybe there will be some sort of archival release of that nature around the time "I Am Brian Wilson" comes out next year, maybe.

 :listening

Ohh man, I really hope so. After those lengthy two articles in the LA Times (I think) I'd hope Capitol would realize the small but hearty demand for the Bedroom Tapes tracks.

It might be difficult to do an archival Brian-themed release unless they’re all home demos or something. As soon as studio tracks start coming into play, it becomes a BRI/Beach Boys situation, assuming pre-80's stuff is part of it, and potentially even if it's only later stuff. They have used ostensibly “Beach Boys era” Brian-centric recordings on “Brian Wilson” releases a few times in the past (the “Still I Dream of It” studio demo, where Mike was probably sitting right next to him while he played it, the early 80s “Night Bloomin’ Jasmine” track from the BW’88 reissue, and the “In the Back of My Mind” demo from some NPP editions). So I’m not sure there would be a problem clearing material for a “Brian Wilson” solo release. (Then again, didn’t they have problems clearing even a stripped-back “Baby Blue” for the POB deluxe set?)

Anyone seeing a listing for the download on iTunes or Amazon Music yet? It appears as though they may be rushing the digital release of this for awards season (Grammies at least), so I realize this may not be on the usual timetable. But usually a day before release they have some sort of listing if not previews. Curious if they'll get that all up by tomorrow morning.

I've been checking ever so often with no luck, but I think they'll just drop it tomorrow. Anyone think this will hit iTunes directly at midnight?

They had to remove Carl and Bruce's backing vocals from Love Surrounds Me.

From Brian's Facebook.

The soundtrack for "Love & Mercy" will see a global digital release tomorrow, August 14 and will be available everywhere on CD September 18.
Please visit Brian's website for more info, press release and track list: http://brianwilson.com

‘Music From LOVE & MERCY’  [digital; CD]

1. The Black Hole – Atticus Ross
2. Don’t Worry Baby – The Beach Boys
3. Silhouette – Atticus Ross
4. God Only Knows – Paul Dano
5. God Only Knows – The Beach Boys
6. Believe – Atticus Ross
7. Good Vibrations – The Beach Boys
8. Losing It – Atticus Ross
9. I’m Right Here – Atticus Ross
10. The Bed Montage – Atticus Ross, The Beach Boys, The Four Freshmen
11. Intersection – Atticus Ross
12. Love and Mercy (Live) – Brian Wilson
3. One Kind of Love – Brian Wilson

Ok. Not the first time this has happened, but I seem to have it now on Spotify here in NZ.

I sh!t you not! :o


edit: A few weeks ago someone asked which show L&M at the end came from. Its listed as the Royal Festival Hall.

I could tell from how Brian looked, it was from one of the shows on the Pet Sounds Live in London DVD.

Nothing yet. I think iTunes releases that just "appear" like this do so early in the morning Eastern Standard Time..6-7 AM.

Play Store has it in Oz now

Yes NZ too.  Maybe the link will work for others.

https://play.google.com/music/listen#/sr/Love+and+Mercy+Soundtrack

or

https://play.google.com/music/listen#/album/Bbmltqvewqxzmtezxlnsk7gdnz4/Various+Artists/Love+%26+Mercy+%E2%80%93+The+Life%2C+Love+And+Genius+Of+Brian+Wilson+(Original+Motion+Picture+Soundtrack)

Uh-oh - is this that one that has nothing to do with the official soundtrack popping up again, or is it the real thing?

I'm definitely listening to the real deal. We also had the MIC early as well a few years back. The thinking was that a small market such as this is a 'test' for itunes before it goes 'live'.

edit: Now on NZ itunes.

https://itunes.apple.com/nz/album/love-mercy-life-love-genius/id1028664831

Wow - That's great news!

On Australian Spotify and iTunes now. Couldn't find it on itunes at first but found it by searching Paul Dano.

I've just been searching 'Love and Mercy Soundtrack' and it comes right up.

Just realised my links may only relate to my accounts. Never mind, its coming, and sounds good.

Hah yeah it does. I was searching Love & Mercy and it found zip.

I wish it was all 11 Atticus Ross tracks. It's great but not enough.

It's August 14th, down under (I'm sure you hate that phrase).

I'm going to keep checking this evening on the US iTunes. Hoping they put it up before I turn in. Thanks for posting the link to the NZ iTunes. It was nice to hear the clear samples.

So close!!!!!!!!!! ;D

Us in the U.S. can listen to the previews at least in iTunes if you click on the link provided by Pretty Funky and change your iTunes store setting to NZ (click on the American Flag icon, bottom right of most iTunes pages).

Available in U.S. now:  https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/love-mercy-life-love-genius/id1028744262 (https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/love-mercy-life-love-genius/id1028744262)

 :listening

Thanks GoodVibrations33!!!!

WOW. The audio on the Ross tracks is outstanding...every note and spoken word is so clear.

Edit: just finished listening. Don't want to spoil it for others, but I will say there are a lot of little surprises - mostly in the way they mixed parts of some of the tracks that differ from the movie.

Also, praise for that isolated Mike vocal in the Til I Die section of 'The Bed Montage'. There's something about the way he sings that. Perfection. So glad Ross thought to put that in.

Blown away by this whole soundtrack. Really well put together, and though I do wish we got the entire Ross score, I'm totally happy with what we got here. It's been a tremendous year for Beach Boys fans!

Also available as a lossless download from Ponomusic:

https://www.ponomusic.com/ccrz__CCPage?pageKey=product&oId=of%3Ac5e4a3c725db41679e03c64d51a816d2&type=Album&artistId=of%3A00000000000000000000000000000000 (https://www.ponomusic.com/ccrz__CCPage?pageKey=product&oId=of%3Ac5e4a3c725db41679e03c64d51a816d2&type=Album&artistId=of%3A00000000000000000000000000000000)

Not a good idea to hand wash the dinner plates while listening to 'Losing It'! ;)

There are some slight alterations to some of the Atticus Ross tracks. Almost immediately I noticed that the line "you're grass and I'm a power mower" is absent from "Black Hole". And there is some slight editing on "The Bedroom Montage". The Four Freshmen "Day By Day" isn't nearly as audible as it is in the film.

However, these aren't quibbles - merely observations. Overall the presentation is very well done and I'm pleased as punch to have it. I know it's silly but I'm still going to buy a physical copy in September.

 :listening

Taking out one of the most memorable parts...

Still not on UK iTunes:-(

… or Amazon UK.

Perhaps it'll be released to coincide with Brian's promotional tour
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol


:(

This is all most splendid news. Makes up for our decidedly damp squib of a summer.

It's also on Spotify (Europe, at least)

Unless it's been added in the last hour, not in the UK yet.

On US iTunes, samples and on. $9.99.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/love-mercy-life-love-genius/id1028744262

"Believe" is a shimmering jewel!

And on Amazon U.S.

http://www.amazon.com/Love-Mercy-Original-Picture-Soundtrack/dp/B013MBXATG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1439548735&sr=8-1&keywords=love+and+mercy-+the+life%2C+++brian+wilson

No sign on either UK Spotify, or UK Play Store. BW's camp have really been doing a great job for us in Britain lately, huh?

It is on Spotify Germany, but I had to dig through the titles a little bit. Most definitely found under "albums"

Doesn't appear to be on the US Spotify yet.

Does this have the track that has the vocals from til I die (specifically Mike's I believe)? That moment was chilling in the theater.

Yes, that would be the bed montage. Most all of the Ross stuff on here is chilling to say the least. I've not downloaded it yet, but the snippets on itunes isolated without the movie are FAR more haunting than were in the theater with the visuals. This is some incredible work here in the score. What sucks is most people still have no idea this film was even made and released. So many things about it are top notch.

I am not normally one who buys soundtracks but this one is phenomenal. The opening track absolutely nails it for me. Prior to seeing the film I read a comment here about the personal hell Brian goes through just so we can enjoy "This Whole World". Having that thought in my head and listening to the Ross collages reduces me to tears each and every time. I look forward to September to get the physical CD!

It really is a shame. This weekend another biopic is opening and getting raves, albeit not on the same level of L&M. It's probably going to make a pile of money, probably 2 or 3 times the total gross of L&M in just the opening weekend.

It is what it is. I'm just pleased that L&M was conceived and executed so artfully and tastefully, befitting its subject.

With Paul Giamatti in both of them. Whew!

Good to know. Definitely picking this up.

The Mike Love isolated vocal line from "Til I Die" is very beautiful. Listening to it right now as a matter of fact.

http://www.classichitsandoldies.com/v2/64947/


CD release Sept 18th.

I wish they included "Headphones" and "Deep End"...

When the BD hits in September, I'll "roll my own" for those two tracks.

The Bed?  What's a BD?

I think he was referring to the Blu-ray Disc.

Yep, sorry. BD = Blu-ray.  Just throwing slang around without any caution. :)

True, they should be easy to extract from the movie.

Seems like every Smile piece got the shaft. That's really unfortunate.

On iTunes uk…

thanxx, I'm technology impaired

Got 8 hours of driving tomorrow...I've been checking all day and did one final check at 11:40pm and boom! Tomorrows driving sorted...I suppose iTunes did stick to their word.. :-\

Surf's Up is an odd exclusion especially since Paul Dano sang it in the film.

Anybody hear any uncredited samples? I'm pretty sure there's electric bass from I'm So Young on Black Hole at 0:30.

Maybe some bonus tracks on the CD for marketing purposes?

"Headphones" and "Deep End"...

I was wondering about this myself and agree. The only thing I can think of is maybe there isn't a full take of Paul Dano singing and playing that song. That scene is sandwiched between two others. And, IIRC, "Surf's Up" morphs into "The Elements: Fire".

Was kind of hoping that maybe one of the deleted scenes is a full take of "Surf's Up". Fingers crossed.

BTW. Wirestone never did take my bet. ;)

Jeepers. Could VDP really have been that crabby about how he was portrayed in the movie? I guess so.

I don't think VDP has that kind of control.

  I agree!   That's where many of Brian's songs came to him, while driving especially to the studio.

In all fairness, at least some of the early discussions here regarding a "soundtrack" seemed to be in reference to a typical "soundtrack" as opposed to the score, meaning solely BB/Brian recordings.

I don't think everyone in that discussion in January (or earlier) was referencing a potential CD with mostly Atticus Ross cues.

Probably because not many people had heard Atticus' score yet in January.

It's pretty amazing that this somehow is a complete work, like the film, yet in a somewhat modular form.  Atticus Ross does an amazing job with isolating the individual sounds from completed works in such a haunting way, interspersed with Brian's actual completed works.  I guess we could always say this or that could be in or out of the mix (like the RS top 100), but it's something I'm going to enjoy for years.  We have Ross's take.  I'm certain some of you will do interesting versions too.  Looking forward to them.  In the mean time, this is a treasure.

Very much so, Debbie KL!

I had started to perhaps lose hope that we would be seeing a soundtrack and was elated that it did indeed finally materialize. The presentation is terrific, the sequencing is well thought out. Some of the score is a bit out of sequence with the film but, it works as a whole album of music to call to mind specific moments in the film.

What is not present could be lamented and I certainly wish more had been included. That said, what is included is splendid and a nice companion to the Blu-ray/DVD release coming in a few short weeks.

Interestingly, it seems to still be missing from Spotify in the US.

Agreed, and the delay in it's release is truly regrettable.  I suspect we'll never hear the entire story about that, but it's a shame.

Atticus Ross breaks down the score to 'Love & Mercy':

http://www.scpr.org/programs/the-frame/2015/09/14/44468/atticus-ross-breaks-down-the-score-to-love-mercy/ (http://www.scpr.org/programs/the-frame/2015/09/14/44468/atticus-ross-breaks-down-the-score-to-love-mercy/)

Does anyone know why Love and mercy soundtrack and DVD didnt come out on the same day? Usuallly CD's come out on Tuesdays aswell will this be avalible everywhere on friday?

The physical soundtrack wasn't released on Tuesday because the industry is implementing Friday as global record release day.

Thanks! So lots of new records for everyone tomorrow! Anything by the beach boys or Carl wilsons solo cd? Or just Love and Mercy Soundtrack album?

There seems to be a weird transition phase going on in terms of music releases. Some stuff like “Love & Mercy” has now moved to the new Friday standard. But stuff like the indie reissue of Carl’s album is still on a Tuesday schedule. I think one of the main goals in the Friday standardization was to minimize stuff leaking/being pirated because it hits other markets first. So that pertains more to brand-new releases rather than small label releases of old material.

Then again, the two McCartney “Archive Collection” sets are also coming out on a Friday rather than Tuesday.

Just nabbed my copy instore, Melbourne CBD,   ;D- just have to survive the next few meetings and train ride home.

Nice, looking forward to mine coming tomorrow from Amazon.

The movie was meh.. I listened to the soundtrack on youtube. Not feeling it. Dont need Dont worry baby, god only knows or good vibrations yet again in my collection. Therefore I prolly will not be buying these. It's unfortunate.. I was looking forward to it.

Yup, mine's marked as despatched, along with the Ricci Martin CD issue. Fortunately My gal's away Gal's weekend so might be able to let them through the door unnoticed… not sure about those AP SACDs though…

Amazon is now listing the cd as available on October 2.

you posted on the wrong group!  You belong with taylor Swift

Yeah I just saw that.  What's that all about?
Thought I'd be able to get one tomorrow.

Mine is shipped and scheduled for delivery tomorrow. Maybe they are out of stock?...  Listing mistake?... 

It's not an "out of stock, will have by ______" announcement.
Oct 2 is now listed as the release date, even in the product description.

Either way I'll go to my local store tomorrow and see what up.

Now Amazon is back to saying Sept 18.

Weird.

By the way, this is allegedly getting released on vinyl for Black Friday Record Store Day. 

It will probably have less tracks than the CD

Bump the oldies and the NPP number, there'll be room for the soundtrack(s).  That's no gonna happen.

Would be great to have the Paul Dano version of Surf's Up (demo) and the Smile montage + remixed water chant.
Maybe even Paul's singing lines from YSBIM and Caroline No?

Why?  It's 38 minutes.  Shorter than Sgt Pepper.  It can fit no problem.

Firstly what is wrong with Taylor Swift? Secondly she recently praised the film on Twitter to her 63 million followers.

listening to the score now. wow. this is amazing. the sequencing of the soundtrack is amazing. im stoked.

I looked at my local Target store today and they are not carrying it! Anyone eles have this problem? I dont know where to go to buy mine? :{

Guys & gals tell me, what am I missing here? I listened to it yesterday and couldn't sit through any of the Atticus Ross tracks. While I found the score fascinating while watching the movie, I was completely bored trying to listen to it on the CD.

As a standalone product this isn't the most accessible soundtrack...definitely not like putting on some Hans Zimmer or James Horner for background music.

For me, I love the sequencing, it takes me right back to the film. That opening track ('The Black Hole', I think), with the subwoofer on high and the speakers full tilt sounds so good. The Bed Montage track has so many interesting elements, especially the way Brian's vocals are mixed for the Til I Die coda. The moments of dialogue Ross put in gets you closer to that movie experience. The forks & knives were edited to make more of a beat to make it more accessible. But these are just my reasons for liking it. Totally understandable others wouldn't quite get into it too much.

I actually love the decision to not make this soundtrack have a triumphant/memorable score ("triumphant/memorable" meaning a full orchestra playing a John Williams-esque score). The Beach Boys music is meant to be the focus of the movie; The Ross score is tasteful, it drives the movie along when it needs to...but it's not overbearing. Which is perfect for a film like this.

Is there any previously unreleased Brian music from the PS/Smile era or the Landy era on the soundtrack?

I love the soundtrack, but I am really irritated that they don't have the music from when he is in the pool.  I could listen to hours of smile music mixed around like that.

Ditto. I find it curious that with the exception of GV, there's no other piece of "SMiLE-era" music on the release...

I was also frustrated that two of my absolute favorite pieces of Ross' score (Brian envisioning the vocals for GOK on the hood of the car; the first obvious auditory hallucination with "I Live for the Sun") were not included.

My question is, were there conditions from BRI or Capitol that only certain things could be used on a soundtrack release?

I thought, for sure, there would be fan edits of this by now...

No. Possibly some previously unheard session excerpts.

Just bumping this thread to say that the soundtrack is indeed being released on vinyl for Black Friday Record Store Day.

http://www.recordstoreday.com/SpecialRelease/8233