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Title: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: rn57 on December 16, 2014, 09:45:44 AM
Ringo was just inducted into the R&R Hall Of Fame, the last of the Fabs to get in for individual achievement. Rolling Stone's reporter called him, and asked if he remembered Mike's speech at the 1988 ceremony. His answer at the link below.

https://www.yahoo.com/music/s/ringo-starr-hall-fame-induction-finally-four-us-065100554-rolling-stone.html


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on December 16, 2014, 09:54:15 AM
Ringo, that was spoken like a true scholar!! Congratulations on your induction and dismissing the lovester. You are the man!! :thumbsup


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: SloopJohnB on December 16, 2014, 09:57:09 AM
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Interviewer: Do you recall Mike Love's speech that night?
Ringo Starr: I don't. Did he mention me?

Interviewer: He chewed out most people in the room, including the Beatles, and said that Mick Jagger was too "chickenshit" to get on stage with the Beach Boys.
Ringo Starr: Yeah. I don't really ever listen to what he has to say [laughs].

BURRRRNNNN


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Shady on December 16, 2014, 09:57:53 AM
Pretty cold thing to say..

By the way, Ringo does not deserve to be in the HOF as a solo artist.


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Mendota Heights on December 16, 2014, 09:58:48 AM
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Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: bgas on December 16, 2014, 10:08:38 AM
I didn't know where to put this, and I didn't want to start a new thread, so I'll just put it here.  Apologies if it's been brought up.  I just read a short interview by Andy Greene in Rolling Stone with Ringo about him getting inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, and there was a brief Beach Boys / Mike Love mention.

AG: Tell me your memories of the 1988 ceremony when the Beatles got inducted.
RS: 1988 was a long time ago, I'm afraid. It was a big dinner with a lot of people. Mick [Jagger] was there. It's interesting that you do those gigs and you bump into a lot of people you haven't met in a long time, so that's always good.

AG: Do you recall Mike Love's speech that night?
RS: I don't. Did he mention me?

AG: He chewed out most people in the room, including the Beatles, and said that Mick Jagger was too "chickenshit" to get on stage with the Beach Boys.
RS: Yeah. I don't really ever listen to what he has to say [laughs].  :lol

https://www.yahoo.com/music/s/ringo-starr-hall-fame-induction-finally-four-us-065100554-rolling-stone.html




Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: LostArt on December 16, 2014, 10:12:39 AM
Pretty cold thing to say..

By the way, Ringo does not deserve to be in the HOF as a solo artist.

Why not? 


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Shady on December 16, 2014, 10:14:34 AM
Pretty cold thing to say..

By the way, Ringo does not deserve to be in the HOF as a solo artist.

Why not? 

I don't think much of his solo career.

At the very least Deep Purple should be in before Ringo Starr


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Michael Edward Osbourne on December 16, 2014, 10:25:31 AM
Good for Ringo! He's always been my favorite Beatle!


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: LostArt on December 16, 2014, 10:26:31 AM
Pretty cold thing to say..

By the way, Ringo does not deserve to be in the HOF as a solo artist.

Why not? 

I don't think much of his solo career.

At the very least Deep Purple should be in before Ringo Starr

Yeah, Deep Purple probably should be in there, but you can't argue with Ringo's resume.
Three singles certified gold in the US.
One album certified platinum and one certified gold in the US.
Two Billboard #1 singles, two #3, a #4, a #5, a #6 and a #9.
Plus, he played on records by Harry Nilsson, Peter Frampton, Leon Russell, Steve Stills, and a slew of others, not to mention George Harrison, Paul McCartney, and The Beach Boys.  I think he's worthy. 


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Lee Marshall on December 16, 2014, 10:31:23 AM
I think the best known drummer in the history of Rock 'n' Roll/Rock...should be in the Hall.  I mean why not?  He's Ringo freakin' Starr.  And as much as I agree that Deep Purple deserves to be there...NO QUESTION... ... ...

What about Brian Wilson?  What's up with THAT?  Brian isn't there...solo?  What?  He hasn't written or composed enough great music yet?  Maybe another album or 3 and he'll be considered worthy?

[ Ringo's little poke at Mike was pretty gentle.  Typical Richie remark.  He's a pretty funny guy. ]

That sure was a hall of fame speech though. ;)


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: 37!ws on December 16, 2014, 10:46:08 AM
What about Brian Wilson?  What's up with THAT?  Brian isn't there...solo?  What?  He hasn't written or composed enough great music yet?  Maybe another album or 3 and he'll be considered worthy?

On paper he's just not a good candidate. He only had one album that had significant chart action, his singles didn't perform that well, and if he ever pissed off Jann Wenner, he's screwed.


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: kermit27 on December 16, 2014, 10:59:20 AM
Pretty cold thing to say..

By the way, Ringo does not deserve to be in the HOF as a solo artist.

He's not being inducted as a solo artist.  He's receiving the Award for Musical Excellence, which is different.   I'm a big fan, and even I agree his solo career is not worthy.  However, I'll defend him as a drummer all day long.


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: wantsomecorn on December 16, 2014, 11:00:24 AM
What about Brian Wilson?  What's up with THAT?  Brian isn't there...solo?  What?  He hasn't written or composed enough great music yet?  Maybe another album or 3 and he'll be considered worthy?

On paper he's just not a good candidate. He only had one album that had significant chart action, his singles didn't perform that well, and if he ever pissed off Jann Wenner, he's screwed.

I think you're only eligible 25 years after releasing your first album, which means he's only been eligible since last year, it seems.

Either way, there are enough snubs in the Hall already.


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Lee Marshall on December 16, 2014, 11:09:37 AM
The first solo album came out in what?  1988?  26 years ago No?

Maybe they're afraid that he'll bring Mike along to make the induction speech. :lol


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: kermit27 on December 16, 2014, 11:15:16 AM


Maybe they're afraid that he'll bring Mike along to make the induction speech. :lol

That's hilarious.


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Rocky Raccoon on December 16, 2014, 11:18:04 AM
Ringo is getting the Musical Excellence award which is more of a sideman category (it used to be called the Sideman award but Musical Excellence sounds more sophisticated).  It's the same award the E Street Band got last year.  So no, Ringo has not had the most prolific solo career, certainly not next to his three bandmates but he is being inducted more for his drumming and his work as a session musician.


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: KittyKat on December 16, 2014, 11:24:41 AM
First Hall of Fame drummer who can't paradiddle. Or do a drum roll.  :'(


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Mr. Tiger on December 16, 2014, 11:30:16 AM
Richy Starkey, Liverpool's finest,  *is* the embodiment of musical excellence and his drumming style is wholly unique and easily definable, like few other drummers in Rock. Those fat fills of his, while technically easy to play, are such a trademark... and he was a metronome, always steady.

The R&RHOF is kind of a joke anyway. I can think of many other groups who should get it in but that doesn't mean Ringo shouldn't. If it means something personally for him to get in, great!

I'm tired of people calling Ringo mediocre. Pete Best was mediocre and the Beatles rightly let him go (however cruelly). Ringo on the other hand became the Beatles' most captivating member on the silver screen and his laconic, idiosyncratic expressions brought us phrases like "A Hard Day's Night" and "Tomorrow Never Knows".

As far as the Mike quote goes, I think he was reacting to the negativity of what was quoted to him rather than anything personal against Mike. They seem cordial when they meet up at TM events and the like.

Anyway, just my 3 cents. Go Ringo!


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on December 16, 2014, 11:34:57 AM
Richy Starkey, Liverpool's finest,  *is* the embodiment of musical excellence and his drumming style is wholly unique and easily definable, like few other drummers in Rock. Those fat fills of his, while technically easy to play, are such a trademark... and he was a metronome, always steady.

Right on.

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As far as the Mike quote goes, I think he was reacting to the negativity of what was quoted to him rather than anything personal against Mike. They seem cordial when they meet up at TM events and the like.


Well, he does say that he doesn't ever listen to what he has to say... :-D


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Mr. Tiger on December 16, 2014, 11:41:53 AM
Despite all I just wrote (and I still stand by all of it), I will say that Dennis was more important to the Beach Boys than Ringo was to the Beatles, all things considered.


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Jonathan Blum on December 16, 2014, 05:14:28 PM
On paper he's just not a good candidate. He only had one album that had significant chart action, his singles didn't perform that well,

...Everyone forgets about "Goodnight Vienna"...

"Ringo" went to #2 on the album chart, "Goodnight Vienna" went to #8, and between the two he had six Top 10 single placings (one a double-A-side).  Plus two non-album Top 10 singles, and three later ones that made the Top 40.

Singles-wise, that's a better placement than George!

Cheers,
Jon Blum


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: sandmountainslim on December 16, 2014, 05:25:26 PM
Pretty cold thing to say..

By the way, Ringo does not deserve to be in the HOF as a solo artist.

Agreed.  Love the Beatles and Ringo but he has not had a Hall of Fame solo career at all.....Green Day doesn't deserve it either.   


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: BillA on December 16, 2014, 08:50:05 PM
If Ringo is in for his drumming Brian should be in for producing.


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: bluesno1fann on December 16, 2014, 09:08:58 PM
I know Ringo's not being inducted as a solo artists, but if he was then he has no place being in the RRHOF when Brian Wilson is not


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Micha on December 17, 2014, 12:37:29 AM
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Interviewer: Do you recall Mike Love's speech that night?
Ringo Starr: I don't. Did he mention me?

Interviewer: He chewed out most people in the room, including the Beatles, and said that Mick Jagger was too "chickenshit" to get on stage with the Beach Boys.
Ringo Starr: Yeah. I don't really ever listen to what he has to say [laughs].

There's quite a few posters on here who would really benefit from this attitude! :-D

Ringo Starr: great drummer, sympathetic person, wise man. :thumbsup


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Lonely Summer on December 17, 2014, 12:42:34 AM
I know Ringo's not being inducted as a solo artists, but if he was then he has no place being in the RRHOF when Brian Wilson is not
Brian hasn't had a very successful solo career. Only the first album did much on the charts, and even that sold far less than hoped for. As a concert act, he's mostly been doing the songs he made popular with the Beach Boys, and I can't say that his solo work has had any great influence on other artists. Ringo had a string of hit singles in the 70's, several successful albums, and played on many other artists' records, too.


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Smilin Ed H on December 17, 2014, 12:43:11 AM
Richy Starkey, Liverpool's finest,  *is* the embodiment of musical excellence and his drumming style is wholly unique and easily definable, like few other drummers in Rock. Those fat fills of his, while technically easy to play, are such a trademark... and he was a metronome, always steady.

The R&RHOF is kind of a joke anyway. I can think of many other groups who should get it in but that doesn't mean Ringo shouldn't. If it means something personally for him to get in, great!

I'm tired of people calling Ringo mediocre. Pete Best was mediocre and the Beatles rightly let him go (however cruelly). Ringo on the other hand became the Beatles' most captivating member on the silver screen and his laconic, idiosyncratic expressions brought us phrases like "A Hard Day's Night" and "Tomorrow Never Knows".

As far as the Mike quote goes, I think he was reacting to the negativity of what was quoted to him rather than anything personal against Mike. They seem cordial when they meet up at TM events and the like.

Anyway, just my 3 cents. Go Ringo!

Wow! sensible post. A rare thing when the topic turns to Mike. Thanks.


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: smilethebeachboysloveyou on December 17, 2014, 02:00:54 AM
I know Ringo's not being inducted as a solo artists, but if he was then he has no place being in the RRHOF when Brian Wilson is not
Only the first album did much on the charts,
Regarding U.S. Charts:

Brian Wilson: #54
Imagination: #88
Gettin' In Over My Head: #100
Brian Wilson Presents Smile: #13
That Lucky Old Sun: #21
Brian Wilson Reimagines Gershwin: #26
In the Key of Disney: #83

Admittedly those aren't necessarily chart numbers that will get you into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, but it's not true that only the first album did much on the charts.  BWPS in particular did much, much more on the charts than his first solo album did.


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: job on December 17, 2014, 07:27:10 AM
However, I'll defend him as a drummer all day long.

LOL...that's a good one.


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Autotune on December 17, 2014, 07:46:20 AM
I can't imagine ML not relating to Ringo's sense of humor.


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: bgas on December 17, 2014, 07:51:47 AM
I can't imagine ML not relating to Ringo's sense of humor.

Which leads us back to Mike's ( to be published) memoir: 

That would look great on the back cover.

"I don't really ever listen to what he has to say." - Ringo Starr

It would show how Mike Love takes it in stride.


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: HeyJude on December 17, 2014, 08:35:57 AM
Ringo isn't being inducted because of his stellar solo career. Yes, he had some great success in the early 70s, made some really good records.

He's being inducted because they can get attention for the ceremony by having a Beatle there. He's being inducted because of his time in the Beatles. Even when McCartney was inducted as a "solo" artist, he sang Beatles tunes (and gave a tipsy speech that was, if nothing else, *less* interesting than Mike's 1988 speech).

Ringo getting in actually bodes well for Brian getting the nod at some point as a "solo" artist, although again the connection would be to the Beach Boys, with some emphasis on his production/writing/arranging (though he would probably not inducted as a "producer" as some producers have).

Had Ringo gone to rehab when that 1988 HOF ceremony took place? I recall he did rehab not too long before doing his first tour in 1989. If he hadn't done rehab yet, that might explain why he doesn't remember the '88 ceremony.

There's actually a funny bit about the Beach Boys in Ringo's "Postcards from the Boys" book. He mentions that he played a gig with the Beach Boys (referencing his 1984 Washington DC appearance), and mentions that he has ZERO recollection of having ever played the gig, but someone showed him a photo, so it must have happened!  :lol


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: joshferrell on December 17, 2014, 10:48:59 AM
well I would say that the chart position isn't really that important for the Ringo, when you think about not only his recordings but his successful touring with the All Star Band, but yeah he had some great albums and he had some terrible albums,,in the 70's he did two great albums "Ringo" (which feature the other 3 Beatles) and "Goodnight Vienna" then it went downhill from there until the 90's and all of his cds from "Time takes Time"to " Y-not" and "2012" have all been really good, sure not hit records on the charts but great songs and great productions...


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: filledeplage on December 17, 2014, 11:34:55 AM
Ringo isn't being inducted because of his stellar solo career. Yes, he had some great success in the early 70s, made some really good records.

He's being inducted because they can get attention for the ceremony by having a Beatle there. He's being inducted because of his time in the Beatles. Even when McCartney was inducted as a "solo" artist, he sang Beatles tunes (and gave a tipsy speech that was, if nothing else, *less* interesting than Mike's 1988 speech).

Ringo getting in actually bodes well for Brian getting the nod at some point as a "solo" artist, although again the connection would be to the Beach Boys, with some emphasis on his production/writing/arranging (though he would probably not inducted as a "producer" as some producers have).

Had Ringo gone to rehab when that 1988 HOF ceremony took place? I recall he did rehab not too long before doing his first tour in 1989. If he hadn't done rehab yet, that might explain why he doesn't remember the '88 ceremony.

There's actually a funny bit about the Beach Boys in Ringo's "Postcards from the Boys" book. He mentions that he played a gig with the Beach Boys (referencing his 1984 Washington DC appearance), and mentions that he has ZERO recollection of having ever played the gig, but someone showed him a photo, so it must have happened!  :lol
Somewhere on YouTube is that BB/Ringo appearance in 1984. It's just great!  I think it was especially important since Dennis had passed away only about six months prior.  And, who better than Ringo, to make an appearance.  It's delightful to see him get this award. 

Not that long ago, I think some 50th anniversary of Ed Sullivan hosting The Beatles, they did a spot on how Ringo got his first drum pad, in a hospital, while being treated for tuberculosis.  It seems that he was very sickly as a child, and spent years on end, in a hospital.  He seems to be a really regular guy who knows where it's at. 

From Modern Drummer Magazine (December 1981/January 1982 issue) on drumlessons.com "Flat tins were cymbals, and a big biscuit tin with some depth in it was the tom, and a shallow biscuit tin was the snare drum and so forth."
And just his attitude impressed me..."I never did solos...I hated solos. I wanted to be the drummer within the band, not the frontman." (supra)

But, apart from a few key lead solos, he had very solid solo hits, such as It Don't Come Easy, Photograph, You're 16, and Oh, My My. 

His journey to his greatness, merits the award alone.  JMHO

 :beer


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Awesoman on December 17, 2014, 02:24:51 PM
What about Brian Wilson?  What's up with THAT?  Brian isn't there...solo?  What?  He hasn't written or composed enough great music yet?  Maybe another album or 3 and he'll be considered worthy?

On paper he's just not a good candidate. He only had one album that had significant chart action, his singles didn't perform that well, and if he ever pissed off Jann Wenner, he's screwed.

Agreed.  He just hasn't had that remarkable a solo career.  If they wanted to put him in there as a producer or something, I could get on board with that.  But as a solo artist?  Forget it. 


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: SenorPotatoHead on December 17, 2014, 03:01:59 PM
Someone mentioned this earlier, but he's RINGO!  RINGO of "JOHN, PAUL, GEORGE and...."   Like him or not (and if not, why not?  He was a great drummer for the Beatles and an iconic, laconic ambassador round the world for Rock and Roll!).   He sure as shootin' ought to be in on his own merits simply for who he is.  That being said, the Hall of Fame is an utter joke and WE ALL should also be inducted - every true blue fan of rock and roll music from all around the world has as much claim to being an inductee as anyone.   The rockers made the music - but WE BUY IT, LISTEN TO IT, GO TO CONCERTS (and often pay ridiculous sums of cash to do so) and WE OBSESS over it.   We ARE rock and roll. 
"'Nuff said!"   :3d


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Rocky Raccoon on December 18, 2014, 08:13:29 AM
Someone mentioned this earlier, but he's RINGO!  RINGO of "JOHN, PAUL, GEORGE and...."   Like him or not (and if not, why not?  He was a great drummer for the Beatles and an iconic, laconic ambassador round the world for Rock and Roll!).   He sure as shootin' ought to be in on his own merits simply for who he is.  That being said, the Hall of Fame is an utter joke and WE ALL should also be inducted - every true blue fan of rock and roll music from all around the world has as much claim to being an inductee as anyone.   The rockers made the music - but WE BUY IT, LISTEN TO IT, GO TO CONCERTS (and often pay ridiculous sums of cash to do so) and WE OBSESS over it.   We ARE rock and roll. 
"'Nuff said!"   :3d

You were actually on the shortlist of nominees but weren't chosen due to the fact that you're a potato.  Discrimination I say.


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Lee Marshall on December 18, 2014, 08:16:51 AM
I thought it was because the less informed members of the HOF nominating committee [ie: almost all of them] mistook him for Ed Head and thought that his checkered past and questionable track record was a little seedy.  Gall-darned 'Playboy'!!!


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: SenorPotatoHead on December 18, 2014, 10:50:28 AM
Yes, "potato prejudice".....I face it everyday.    :'(
RRHOF be damned!  Viva la tuber!!   :king


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Jonathan Blum on December 18, 2014, 12:32:44 PM
Agreed.  He just hasn't had that remarkable a solo career.

...I have to say again, the guy had nine Top 10 hits in five years.

So, basically, his career equals the Beach Boys up through "California Girls".

Is that really something to sneeze at?

Cheers,
Jon Blum


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: bgas on December 18, 2014, 06:28:14 PM
Agreed.  He just hasn't had that remarkable a solo career.

...I have to say again, the guy had nine Top 10 hits in five years.

So, basically, his career equals the Beach Boys up through "California Girls".

Is that really something to sneeze at?

Cheers,
Jon Blum

Brian had nine top Ten Hits!  What were they please? 


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Jim V. on December 18, 2014, 06:52:02 PM
Agreed.  He just hasn't had that remarkable a solo career.

...I have to say again, the guy had nine Top 10 hits in five years.

So, basically, his career equals the Beach Boys up through "California Girls".

Is that really something to sneeze at?

Cheers,
Jon Blum

Brian had nine top Ten Hits!  What were they please? 


....err, they're talking about one Richard Starkey, better known as Ringo Starr.


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on December 18, 2014, 06:54:03 PM
Agreed.  He just hasn't had that remarkable a solo career.

...I have to say again, the guy had nine Top 10 hits in five years.

So, basically, his career equals the Beach Boys up through "California Girls".

Is that really something to sneeze at?

Cheers,
Jon Blum

Brian had nine top Ten Hits!  What were they please? 


....err, they're talking about one Richard Starkey, better known as Ringo Starr.

But the quote they were responding to was talking about Brian Wilson not Ringo.


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: bgas on December 18, 2014, 06:56:46 PM
Agreed.  He just hasn't had that remarkable a solo career.

...I have to say again, the guy had nine Top 10 hits in five years.

So, basically, his career equals the Beach Boys up through "California Girls".

Is that really something to sneeze at?

Cheers,
Jon Blum

Brian had nine top Ten Hits!  What were they please? 


....err, they're talking about one Richard Starkey, better known as Ringo Starr.

But the quote they were responding to was talking about Brian Wilson not Ringo.

Yes, Thank you!  Before he edited the quote: 
What about Brian Wilson?  What's up with THAT?  Brian isn't there...solo?  What?  He hasn't written or composed enough great music yet?  Maybe another album or 3 and he'll be considered worthy?

On paper he's just not a good candidate. He only had one album that had significant chart action, his singles didn't perform that well, and if he ever pissed off Jann Wenner, he's screwed.

Agreed.  He just hasn't had that remarkable a solo career.  If they wanted to put him in there as a producer or something, I could get on board with that.  But as a solo artist?  Forget it. 


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Lee Marshall on December 18, 2014, 07:21:41 PM
It's HIGH time Brian was recognized for his decades of work in the studio...for turning Pet Sounds from an excellent solo effort into a senasational group album, for BWPS...and for Smile itself.  It's time that he was recognized for his skills as a composer,  a magician with vocal arrangements, for his 50-some-odd-year body of work...and for his influence.

His solo career isn't good enough...MY ARSE!!! :lol


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Lonely Summer on December 18, 2014, 11:31:21 PM
It's HIGH time Brian was recognized for his decades of work in the studio...for turning Pet Sounds from an excellent solo effort into a senasational group album, for BWPS...and for Smile itself.  It's time that he was recognized for his skills as a composer,  a magician with vocal arrangements, for his 50-some-odd-year body of work...and for his influence.

His solo career isn't good enough...MY ARSE!!! :lol
Sure, let's induct Brian for his solo career...and Dennis, and Carl, and heck, let's just induct all the guys individually! Especially Bruce (you think I'm kidding...no serious...he had a great career pre-BB's).


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Lee Marshall on December 19, 2014, 04:30:03 AM
No...of course you're right.  Please excuse me.  Oh...and I was ever-so-wrong too. :-[

Brian's solo career will only be 50 NEXT year.  1965.  That's when he extricated himself from the touring band so that he could stay home, compose, work in the studio and begin doin his thing...solo.  8)

Whatever could  I have possibly been thinking?  ;)


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Emdeeh on December 19, 2014, 10:27:32 AM
I'm still of the opinion that artists who have already been inducted into the R'n'HoF as part of an act (e.g. Beach Boys, Beatles, Yardbirds) shouldn't be reinducted as solo artists until AFTER the huge backlog of acts that aren't in the HoF have been inducted first, for fairness' sake.

Yes, that means that acts like Chicago and Jethro Tull should have gone in long ago -- and Paul McCartney, John Lennon, and Eric Clapton's solo inductions should have been delayed. All imo, of course.


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Lonely Summer on December 19, 2014, 11:50:25 PM
I'm still of the opinion that artists who have already been inducted into the R'n'HoF as part of an act (e.g. Beach Boys, Beatles, Yardbirds) shouldn't be reinducted as solo artists until AFTER the huge backlog of acts that aren't in the HoF have been inducted first, for fairness' sake.

Yes, that means that acts like Chicago and Jethro Tull should have gone in long ago -- and Paul McCartney, John Lennon, and Eric Clapton's solo inductions should have been delayed. All imo, of course.
I agree, but the HOF is a joke now anyway. I don't lose any sleep over my favs, Paul Revere and the Raiders not getting in.


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Ron on December 21, 2014, 08:07:35 PM
I think the best known drummer in the history of Rock 'n' Roll/Rock...should be in the Hall.  I mean why not?  He's Ringo freakin' Starr.  And as much as I agree that Deep Purple deserves to be there...NO QUESTION... ... ...

The whole thing about letting Ringo in solo in my mind at least, goes like this.

1. Does his output, as a solo artist, garner him a position in the hall of fame?  - Not really

2. Is he inducted as part of the group, and does the group deserve a position in the hall of fame? - Absolutely

3. Is his work, WITHIN the group, notorious and valuable enough to garner him a position as an individual in the hall of fame? - Absolutely


I don't think you should necessarily exclude the work he did, AS a Beatle when you decide this stuff.  If John Lennon was only a member of the Beatles, then retired, then was murdered... I think he should be honored as the band, but then also as an individual for the work he did as lead in the band.  Just my opinion.  Similar situation with Ringo, he's fucking RINGO!  He's awesome.  Maybe his solo work hasn't been so ground shaking that on it's own it gets him a spot, but certainly if you look at his career as a Rock drummer, he absolutely deserves to be in as an individual. 



Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: elnombre on December 21, 2014, 08:30:12 PM
Meat Loaf isn't in despite having the 3rd best selling album of all time in the UK, one of the top 5 selling rock albums worldwide and another number one in the nineties with Anything For Love and one of the best selling rock albums the Nineties in Bat 2 (18 million or something like that). He has said himself that its due to the higher ups of the RARHOF not liking him personally. Screw 'em.


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: runnersdialzero on December 21, 2014, 08:35:57 PM
Pretty cold thing to say..

By the way, Ringo does not deserve to be in the HOF as a solo artist.

Why not? 

I don't think much of his solo career.

At the very least Deep Purple should be in before Ringo Starr

I think the best known drummer in the history of Rock 'n' Roll/Rock...should be in the Hall.  I mean why not?  He's Ringo freakin' Starr.  And as much as I agree that Deep Purple deserves to be there...NO QUESTION... ... ...

The whole thing about letting Ringo in solo in my mind at least, goes like this.

1. Does his output, as a solo artist, garner him a position in the hall of fame?  - Not really

2. Is he inducted as part of the group, and does the group deserve a position in the hall of fame? - Absolutely

3. Is his work, WITHIN the group, notorious and valuable enough to garner him a position as an individual in the hall of fame? - Absolutely


I don't think you should necessarily exclude the work he did, AS a Beatle when you decide this stuff.  If John Lennon was only a member of the Beatles, then retired, then was murdered... I think he should be honored as the band, but then also as an individual for the work he did as lead in the band.  Just my opinion.  Similar situation with Ringo, he's fucking RINGO!  He's awesome.  Maybe his solo work hasn't been so ground shaking that on it's own it gets him a spot, but certainly if you look at his career as a Rock drummer, he absolutely deserves to be in as an individual. 



The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is not to be taken seriously. :\


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: runnersdialzero on December 21, 2014, 08:36:17 PM
Ron, I dislike your moustache.


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Ron on December 23, 2014, 10:13:54 PM
Meat Loaf isn't in despite having the 3rd best selling album of all time in the UK, one of the top 5 selling rock albums worldwide and another number one in the nineties with Anything For Love and one of the best selling rock albums the Nineties in Bat 2 (18 million or something like that). He has said himself that its due to the higher ups of the RARHOF not liking him personally. Screw 'em.

Meatlof got screwed, also Neil Sedaka isn't in (WHAT THE f***) and also Chubby Checkers apparently isn't worthy of the Rock & Roll hall of fame, although anybody over 4 years old can sing the Twist 60 years later. 




Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Rocky Raccoon on December 27, 2014, 07:39:14 AM
I was really surprised when I realized Nick Lowe has never been inducted.  He's like a superstar to the folk/indie rock crowd.  And he produced some of Elvis Costello's biggest hits (and wrote one of them too).


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Rocker on December 27, 2014, 10:59:08 AM
Meat Loaf isn't in despite having the 3rd best selling album of all time in the UK, one of the top 5 selling rock albums worldwide and another number one in the nineties with Anything For Love and one of the best selling rock albums the Nineties in Bat 2 (18 million or something like that). He has said himself that its due to the higher ups of the RARHOF not liking him personally. Screw 'em.


That's probably also a reason Jan&Dean aren't inducted. I mean they had hits like sand on the beach (no pun).
And Jan Berry should be inducted as a producer too. Even before Brian imo, because Jan had quite some hits with outside acts that he produced. IIRC Brian didn't, which is unfortunate because he did some real good stuff outside the Beach Boys.
But as others have already said, the HOF is a joke.


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Bill30022 on December 27, 2014, 12:59:49 PM
Chicago's absence is the biggest oversight.

Other big oversights are the Moody Blues, Grand Funk and Journey.

I would also argue for the Doobie Brothers - but which ones?


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Lee Marshall on December 27, 2014, 02:09:02 PM
No Chicago?  :o
No Moodies?   :o
No Meatloaf?   :o
No Doobies?   :o

They are a joke.  BUT...they do have a significant number of inductees who have N O T H I N G to do with Rock 'n' Roll or Rock.  So?  It's ALL good.

[if you like a good joke]


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Kurosawa on December 27, 2014, 03:14:04 PM
No Chicago?  :o
No Moodies?   :o
No Meatloaf?   :o
No Doobies?   :o

They are a joke.  BUT...they do have a significant number of inductees who have N O T H I N G to do with Rock 'n' Roll or Rock.  So?  It's ALL good.

[if you like a good joke]

And that's why Mike's speech at the Beach Boys induction is one of the coolest things in the history of the Jann Wenner personal hall of fame that he grudgingly put Rush and Heart into. The only cooler thing is the nastygram that Johnny Rotten sent to them.


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on December 27, 2014, 04:50:39 PM
And that's why Mike's speech at the Beach Boys induction is one of the coolest things in the history of the Jann Wenner personal hall of fame that he grudgingly put Rush and Heart into.

Maybe had Mike Love's self-aggrandizing rant been directed at all towards the institution or Wenner, I might agree with you. Instead, he took pot shots at his contemporaries because they didn't show up. If anything, Mike was favouring the Hall of Fame institution over McCartney and Diana Ross. If you really believe that Mike was being critical of the hall, why was he so uptight about people for not showing up and accepting an award? Let's face it - it was simply more of his usual shtick: I'm better than all of you and I'm going to tell you in the most stupidly aggressive way possible.


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Lee Marshall on December 27, 2014, 05:16:18 PM
Ya...the speach was pretty much a gigantic fly attracting mound of 100% STUPID.  He tried to explain it away on Howard Stern's pile of drivel a few daze later by suggesting that he'd been cut off before he could get to the point that "WE CAN ALL COME TOGETHER TO MAKE A POSITIVE DUFFERENCE".

Ya sure Mike.  Don't be such a ***dink***.

Just accept that you screwed up royally...that you didn't eat anything and that the booze took your head away.  And then admit it.  T.M.?  My arse.

Anyway...whatever he did or said then has been well undone and superceded by some ongoing positve stuff.  Time didn't STOP the night Mike delivered his claim to idiotic superiority and supremacy.  That he keeps trying to get there again...from time to time...is just Mike being Mike.  He's OFTEN better WAY than that. :hat

Still...all THAT said...while I do believe that Brian deserves to go into the supposed 'Hall' as an individual...I do not think that Mike will EVER get there ... alone.


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Rocky Raccoon on December 27, 2014, 05:44:34 PM
Meat Loaf isn't in despite having the 3rd best selling album of all time in the UK, one of the top 5 selling rock albums worldwide and another number one in the nineties with Anything For Love and one of the best selling rock albums the Nineties in Bat 2 (18 million or something like that). He has said himself that its due to the higher ups of the RARHOF not liking him personally. Screw 'em.

Meatlof got screwed, also Neil Sedaka isn't in (WHAT THE f***) and also Chubby Checkers apparently isn't worthy of the Rock & Roll hall of fame, although anybody over 4 years old can sing the Twist 60 years later.  




To be fair, I don't think anybody takes Meat Loaf seriously after this and I don't blame them.  :lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7nVteJ8_8k

But also aside from the Bat Out of Hell album and his role in Rocky Horror, I can't think of anything notable he's done (in music at least, he did play the man with giant breasts in Fight Club).  If anything, Todd Rundgren, the producer of that album should be in first.  

I really don't understand why people think Chubby Checker is snubbed either when The Twist and Let's Twist Again are the only notable songs he ever had.  As for Neil Sedaka, I think he's another one people don't take very seriously.  He made schlock that makes Neil Diamond look hardcore.


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Lee Marshall on December 27, 2014, 05:50:09 PM
Rocky...Don't forget Stoney.

And Meat had 1 HELL of a GREAT voice.  I mean a HUGE voice.  That kind of talent and success deserves TRUE recognition.  But they "won't do that."

------------------------------------------

Rocky...Hank Ballard and the Midnighters did the original 'The Twist'...and they did it really, REALLY well.  That said...Chubby also nailed it along with other hit songs not mentioned above like Limbo Rock, The Hucklebuck, Pony Time, Loddy Lo, Hooka Tooka, Do the Freddie and a really GREAT and under-rated album called ' The Change Has Come ' which yielded the great tune 'Running' among others.  I was proud to program that into our radio mix at the time when I was PD of a reasonably significant AM station in Canada.

I also subsequently interviewed Chubby and his good pal Gary Anderson simultaneously during the noon hour on air in Toronto on 'The Legendary Lunch'.  I didn't interview just ANYBODY. ;)
----------------------------

Then there's Neil Sedaka who enjoyed 2...count 'em T W O...distinctly successful careers.  His first go round was perhaps a little bit of what you suggested...but successful nonetheless.  Then he returned...like a dozen years later to score and write another MITTFULL of songs.  He wrote 'Love Will Keep Us Together' which was huge for those forgotten Beach Boys The Captain and his Toenails.  He remade 'Breakin' Up Is Hard to Do' into a new and vital success.  He scored that 'Bad Blood' thing with Reggie Dwight [a pal of Brians' and the guy who inducted our heroes into the 'Hall'.  Elton also quickly thanked Mike for not mentioning HIS name].  Neil also had that truly FINE salute to Beatle John  called 'The Immigrant' riding the charts when Johnny Ono needed a little American attention.  

So let's not be so quick to toss folks onto the poo pile.  I guess you had to be there. :hat


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Ron on December 27, 2014, 06:58:54 PM
Chubby Checker is synonymous with that era of Rock & Roll.  He owned the entire dance crazy genre.  That was a big part of early 'sock hop' rock and roll and his oversight is embarassing.

Neil Sedaka was masterful at writing bubblegum pop records.  In his second career, in my opinion "Laughter in the Rain" is good enough to get him in just for that 1 song.

Meatloaf wont' get in because he's a republican. 


As for Mike's Rock & Roll hall of fame speech, what always amazes me is that people say he's an asshole, and he's on stage saying stupid sh*t, and he's drunk, and he's trying to pick a fight with people much more talented than him, and blah blah blah...


and my response to that is, Yes, and he's the greatest Rock Star in the room that night.  That's the whole point, and that's why he's the Axl Rose of the 60's.



Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Rocky Raccoon on December 27, 2014, 07:21:03 PM
Meatloaf wont' get in because he's a republican.  

That didn't stop them from inducting Johnny Ramone, who of course thanked George W. Bush in his speech but didn't even mention Joey.  I'd say that's an even bigger dick move than what Mike did.


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Lee Marshall on December 27, 2014, 07:46:56 PM
Not really sure what you're saying about Mike there Ron but YA...I forgot about 'Laughter in the Rain'...a HUGE freakin' hit in that 2nd go round.  And you nailed Chubby....so to speak. :lol  He was BIG...and not really all that Chuuby.  Dick Clark's wife named him.  Ernest Evans was never going to be a star...no matter who's song he'd re-make his own.  She said...HE's Fats Domino...YOU're Chubby Checker.  And the rest is Hall of Fame-worthy history.

Not unlike ME...Mike should EAT before he drinks. :hat

[by the way...Brian was the BIGGEST rock star in the building that night...no offence.]


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on December 27, 2014, 07:55:44 PM
and my response to that is, Yes, and he's the greatest Rock Star in the room that night.  That's the whole point, and that's why he's the Axl Rose of the 60's.

If that's the case, then I guess I don't like rock stars.


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: bgas on December 27, 2014, 08:02:55 PM
ya know, if they put everybody in( that everybody thinks belongs) then what's the point?


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Lee Marshall on December 27, 2014, 08:07:38 PM
ya know, if they put everybody in( that everybody thinks belongs) then what's the point?

Hells bells...we're LIGHT YEARS past that. :lol


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Mikie on December 27, 2014, 08:10:26 PM
Chicago's absence is the biggest oversight.

Other big oversights are the Moody Blues, Grand Funk and Journey.

I would also argue for the Doobie Brothers - but which ones?

And let me add to the above no-brainer candidates for induction..........the Electric Light Orchestra.  And Jeff Lynne.

Disgraceful.


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on December 27, 2014, 08:12:57 PM
I agree with those mentioned, especially The Moody Blues, ELO, and Chicago. Two of my head scratchers are Three Dog Night and Ozzy Osbourne.

I always thought that too much emphasis was placed on albums as opposed to singles. I didn't listen to many Three Dog Night albums, but they gave me a lot of listening pleasure driving to school, sitting on the beach, growing up listening to the radio at the breakfast table, hearing them on the neighbor's radio while cutting the grass, or simply spinning their 45's, many of which were classic late 60's/early 70's staples. To me, the power of the single should get more credit. That's how many people enjoy(ed) music anyway, IMO, not necessarily sitting/laying somewhere listening to an entire album. And I'm not dissing albums, which leads me to Ozzy.

11 Platinum albums, 20-something hit singles, sold out concert tours, and still played consistently on classic radio! What does Ozzy have to do?


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Vernon Surfer on December 27, 2014, 11:17:49 PM
IMHO there are a great deal of artists that had no business being named to the r & r hall of fame and a great many of our finest artists who have not. I no longer consider it a credible organization.


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Lee Marshall on December 28, 2014, 02:42:20 AM
Eric Clapton's in there 3 times.  Good for him.  Also in the ROCK and Roll Hall of Fame...again that's ROCK [and roll]
Donna Summer.
The Beastie Boys.
Abba.
Wanda Jackson
Run-DMC
Madonna
Grandmaster Flash
Miles Davis
Jann Wenner
Floyd Crammer
Isaac Hayes
Bob Wills and His Texas Playboys [although they sure were great for Country Swing]
Bill Monroe

It is the Rock....and Roll Hall.  There are these folks who, as great as they are/were, don't really strike me as having Rocked...or Rolled all that much.  Maybe they are credited with more influence than I am aware of.  Won't be the first time that I am willing to stand corrected.

Then there's the list of Rock-oriented members out of the 304 Inductees [to date] and 108 groups [so far] who I don't really think have done anuwhere near as much as all these folks mentioned in this ever-growing thread.  There are quite a few who got in on reputation it seems.

Don't get me wrong.  A BUNCH of those folks listed above were great or better at what they did...I mean Miles?  Floyd?  Abba?  Pure GIANTS.  But Rock?  Roll?  Not so much.

Jann Wenner... :lol


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Rocker on December 28, 2014, 05:01:50 AM
"Rock and Roll" is used as a chiffre for popular music of the 20th century (and probably also the 21st). So, it's ok to include successful pop artists like ABBA etc. It's not about the genre Rock and Roll.
But Add Some, Wanda Jackson ? I don't really like her all that much but she started out (and is still doing it from time to time) as a Rock act.
Floyd Cramer played on a lot of Rock classics.
And Bill Monroe and Bob Wills are probably inducted as influences. And rightfully so imo.


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Lee Marshall on December 28, 2014, 05:56:36 AM
OK...Given that...Where's Frank Sinatra?  Nat King Cole is there.  How about the Count...and the Duke?  It isn't called the Popular Music Hall of Fame.  It ... when you really LOOK at it ... doesn't make a whole heap of sense...that R'n'R Hall of Fame.  ???


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Moon Dawg on December 28, 2014, 06:51:20 AM
Chicago's absence is the biggest oversight.

Other big oversights are the Moody Blues, Grand Funk and Journey.

I would also argue for the Doobie Brothers - but which ones?

And let me add to the above no-brainer candidates for induction..........the Electric Light Orchestra.  And Jeff Lynne.

Disgraceful.

  Yes. Lynne's activities as a producer and member of the Wilburys should add to the case. I don't have a problem with Grand Funk or Journey being out but the inclusion of say Grandmaster Flash at their expense is purely political. Don't even get me started on the omission of Jan & Dean. Wenner is a pud.


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Moon Dawg on December 28, 2014, 06:53:05 AM
OK...Given that...Where's Frank Sinatra?  Nat King Cole is there.  How about the Count...and the Duke?  It isn't called the Popular Music Hall of Fame.  It ... when you really LOOK at it ... doesn't make a whole heap of sense...that R'n'R Hall of Fame.  ???

  Frank would likely rise from the dead in protest if ever inducted into Wenner's play house.


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Emdeeh on December 28, 2014, 11:18:54 AM
Wanda Jackson

As former Memphian, I take issue with the opinion that Wanda Jackson's not rock and roll enough for the R'n'RHoF. In the early days of r'n'r, she was right in there with Jerry Lee, Elvis, and Little Richard. "Let's Have a Party" is a prime example of her rockabilly bonafides. I consider her one of the founding mothers of r'n'r.


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: runnersdialzero on December 28, 2014, 11:36:18 AM
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Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Rocker on December 28, 2014, 12:54:48 PM
OK...Given that...Where's Frank Sinatra?  Nat King Cole is there.  How about the Count...and the Duke?  It isn't called the Popular Music Hall of Fame.  It ... when you really LOOK at it ... doesn't make a whole heap of sense...that R'n'R Hall of Fame.  ???

I agree! It doesn't make sense. But it's more or less the stuff magazines like Rolling Stone care about. It starts with the Beatles, takes some of the early Rock'n'Roll artists (and they don't even know very much about them) and some blues artists plus the well known country stars (not even all of them). It's like they read a 10th grade's essay about Rock'n'Roll and used that for their basis. I mean where is Lonnie Donegan,
But what they do - and that's why Sinatra isn't included - is that they don't choose between Rock'n'Roll and Pop but between "square" and "cool" which is even more subjective than genres. It's just total crap.


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: SenorPotatoHead on December 28, 2014, 12:58:21 PM
what can you expect from an organization started by Yawn Wanker?


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Lee Marshall on December 28, 2014, 02:00:56 PM
Emdeeh.  I yield to your superior 'take' on Wanda.  Maybe old "Yawn Wanker" :lol  knew that....and then snuck himself into 'the hall' based on Rocker's mention of the infamous grade 10 essay.

I never made it to grade 10...a 2nd year.

Anyway...I'm glad they're recognizing Ringo.  I still want Brian in there solo...and all of the other groups and artists mentioned in these past couple of pages of this 'booklet'.  Wanda stays.  But really???  Bill Monroe?  Isaac Hayes?  He's a bad mother-fu...shut your mouth!!!"  ["I'm talkin' 'bout Shaft".]


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Gerry on December 28, 2014, 02:06:02 PM
What about Burton Cummings and the Guess Who


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Lee Marshall on December 28, 2014, 02:12:36 PM
And Randy Bachman...with BTO...not to mention The Guess Who.  Randy also put together a decent little outfit know as Bravebelt.  He also had that band called IronHorse which recorded a couple of Carl Wilson/Randy Bachman songs.  So too did the Beach Boys on the Keeping The Summer Alive lp.

Then there's Burton and Randy's SOLO work...and their Bachman-Cummings album from  just a few years back.

But...Shhhhhhhh.  No Bryan Adams. ;)


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: CoolWater on December 30, 2014, 12:31:16 PM
Pretty cold thing to say..


Green Day doesn't deserve it either.   

Lurk mode off:

You may not like Green Day, but they do deserve it. They made 2 of the biggest selling most influential albums of the past 25 years in Dookie (30 million sold world wide and a Grammy) and American Idiot (21 million sold and . Their best singles have been huge: Longview (#1) Basketcase ( 5 weeks at # 1), When I Come Around (7 weeks at # 1), J.A.R. (#1), Good Riddance (#2), Brain Stew/Jaded (#3), Minority (#1), Boulevard of Broken Dreams (#2), Wake me When September Ends (#6). And that's not even all of their top 10 singles.

Green day was there when Grunge died to revive punk and save rock and roll. God bless Green Day. God bless the Beach Boys.

Lurk mode on:


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: SMiLE Brian on December 30, 2014, 12:36:36 PM
Screw lurk mode, any input from any person is worth it! 8)


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: runnersdialzero on December 30, 2014, 12:41:29 PM
green day is the worlds greatsdt band you dont enve understand they formed aorund 1988 their msuci is  catchy fast and great dookie was really really good but warnigns probably just as good opeple say that they have not aged well i disaggree i think that they still rock


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Lonely Summer on December 30, 2014, 01:39:41 PM
Even if "The Twist" had been Chubby Checker's only hit, that isn't reason enough to exclude him - after all, they inducted Percy "When A Man Loves a Woman" Sledge. I'm not a great fan of Chubby, but it does seem strange that he is not in the HOF. Heck, I'd put the Kingsmen in for "Louie Louie", too.  Singles vs. albums? I never listened to Three Dog Night or Doobies albums very much, but their singles always sounded good on the radio, and I don't think there's anything wrong with having hit singles. It's only in recent years that I've gone back and discovered the albums of The Guess Who, but if they ever do get into the HOF, it's going to be for "No Time", "These Eyes", "Undun", "Hand Me Down World", not the "American Woman" album, or "Wheatfield Soul", or "Road Food".


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Beachlad on January 02, 2015, 07:31:47 AM
Chubby Checker performed at MY college in 86<I think> He was awesome. I never knew how versitale he was as a singer.  I would Have to say Hank Ballard deserves to go in as well both way before Ringo<I can't carry a Tune> Starr.  HIs stuff sold because he was a Beetle and no other reason.


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Emdeeh on January 02, 2015, 11:10:33 AM
Another Green Day fan here.  :rock

To Add Some, I agree that The Guess Who is among the backlog of deserving and overlooked acts.


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Lee Marshall on January 02, 2015, 11:55:55 AM
and also Gerry who raised their name [Guess Who] to begin with...Emdeeh.

All the best in 2015


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on January 03, 2015, 08:25:57 PM
green day is the worlds greatsdt band
"Green Day" is the world's great student demonstration time band? I never knew...


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: Kurosawa on January 04, 2015, 12:20:03 AM
I always felt the Offspring did the same thing as Green Day but much better and a lot less pretentious.


Title: Re: Ringo Starr on Mike's Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame speech
Post by: phirnis on January 04, 2015, 05:57:12 AM
Really disliked Green Day and Offspring when they were big in the 1990s. I was 13 or 14 years old and their music seemed so fake at the time. Groups like Bad Religion were rubbish as well but at least there was something remotely original about them (compared with GD and Offspring that is).