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So information has come out in the last few days about the career spanning box but it seems to be spread over various threads and pages..

Here's the 411

It's called "Made in California".

It has 6 discs..

And will be released on the 16th of November (In Germany at least)

http://www.amazon.de/Career-Spanning-Box-Beach-Boys/dp/B008XZKSRY/ref=sr_1_6?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1345607952&sr=1-6 (http://www.amazon.de/Career-Spanning-Box-Beach-Boys/dp/B008XZKSRY/ref=sr_1_6?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1345607952&sr=1-6)

how much is 80.99 in US money?

About 100 dollars, Roughly.

not bad

Cool news. Can't wait to see artwork and a tracklist.  :afro

Figures the box set is timed for the Christmas season.

I can see it priced out right around $99.99 in the US.  I know Amazon runs deals on day of release now-and-then...so maybe it will be cheaper.  That's not a bad price for six discs as long as there is a good selection of stuff we haven't heard before (or at least heard legit).  If the bulk is just singles and album cuts I might waffle...but I'll probably give in.  Heck, I never know what to ask for when it comes to Christmas...maybe I'll have something to ask for this year!

Is there any info on will this be an independent box set (you know, with all the hits included) or a sequel to GV box (with no overlapping material)? If this replaces GV box, will GV box go out of print? Should I finally give in buy GV, just in case all the rarities aren't included on this new one?

Gosh darn, so many expensive things to buy. Oh the plight of the Westerner.

The GV box set is already out of print.  I'm pretty sure you can only buy it digitally nowadays.  That being said though, it will probably still be there (iTunes, Amazon MP3).  But I got my copy earlier this year in good condition for only 25 bucks.

Now we're talking.  This will be where the action is.

Do not buy box sets on iTunes. Do not download cars unless you can do so illegally. But do not buy box sets from iTunes. Just do not do it. It is the evil power.

No fear, I wouldn't dream of buying anything legally. It's gotta be physical format for me, cos I'm a physical guy.

I sure hope they don't pass Summer in Paradise when compiling the new box. Summer of Love would make a grand opening.

HAY NOW (well it's a love thing)

oh god that'd be amazing

When the box set tracklist comes out, I'm going to start torrenting dozens and dozens of copies of "Summer Of Love" relabelled as the tracks from the box set. Capitol will thank me, as they'll be putting out fake torrents, anyway.

"Oh my God, after all these years, 'Wouldn't It Be Nice To Live Again!'"

*goes to track 13*

*DUHduhduhduhduhduhDUHduhduhduhduhduh "I CANT WAIT TEEIL EEITS SUMMER CUZ ITS GUNNA BE A SUMMA OF LUV. HAAAY NOW (WELL ITS A LUHHHV THIIING)"*

"GGGAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH"

I just made a test playlist, and my gosh it works! The box opens with SOL, and after that we'll get the Surfin' rehearsals and Surfin'. Start with a bang, kind of like theme song playing over the opening credits, and then rewind all the way to the beginning. Try it. Makes the perfect opening for the box.

… which raises the prospect of iTunes-only bonus tracks, Best Buy special editions, and merchdirect exclusives. God in hope not… it'd be wonderful to have everything in one place, in one edition, without having to grumble about the fact that five individual tracks are exclusive to five different retailers, or having to covet the free embossed surfboard that comes with the special $1m edition. I hope it can be simply about the music for those who love the music.















Somehow I doubt it though…

If only the people compiling the box were so forward-thinking. But no. It'll be some sappy garbage like "Surfer Girl" or something. They may as well just call this flaming pile of sh*t "brian wilson large emotional man animal collective prototype pet sounds created sgt. peppers" or some sh*t.

CDs are usually cheaper in the US than they are in Europe, so I bet it'll be less than that.

Maybe the 6th disc is the remastered Summer In Paradise  ;D

I'd be genuinely happy about that. Both versions!

Maybe it could be the original SiP remastered, the original remix remastered, and both originals remixed and remastered.  :D

And then we'd FINALLY have world peace! :)

No, we need that as a 4LP box set!

On 180g vinyl, of course.

I would seriously not complain if they ignored anything post-LA Light. After that all the production lost any warm feeling to it. I guess I would survive an acapella Goin' On or Where I Belong, but apart from that anything after 1979 can be buried with my consent!

Made in California, huh ? Nice title. Better than 120 big ones or something like that. Although they are recycling "Made in USA".

Yeah, but that would be whitewashing. If they want to go career-spanning, they should go all the way to the end, warts and all.

Which part of the phrase "career spanning" don't you understand ?

So there won't be anything off M.I.U. album?  
 ;D


I hope the 80's-90's-00's are well represented.
For example, a semi-chronological collection of good music and non-album tracks:

- Keepin' The Summer Alive (live at Knewborth '80)
- Goin' On
- When Girls Get Together (track only)
- It's A Beautiful Day
- Chasing the Sky
- Getcha Back
- Where I Belong
- California Dreamin'
- Lady Liberty
- Rock & Roll To The Rescue
- The Spirit of Rock'n'Roll ("BB live" version '86)
- Crocodile Rock
- Problem Child
- Kokomo
- Somewhere Near in Japan
- Lahaina Aloha
- Summer in Paradise (live at Wembley '93)
- You're Still A Mistery
- Soul Searchin'
- vocals-only montage from Stars&Stripes
- Do It Again (2011)
- She Believes in Love Again (2012)
- (untitled TWGMTR outtake / I'd Go Anywhere)
- Waves Of Love (2012)
- Isn't It Time (single version)

Yes, we need problem child! In fact, your list is near perfect - I can see it including TWGMTR though

If Lady Liberty gets up, I'll buy 2 copies (one for smashin')

I understand them both parts, but their career could be spanned twice. I mean, they could choose songs from their whole career, but different songs this time. But yeah, I don't think they can leave all the hits out, even though they were included the last time.

I seriously doubt they'll leave ANY of the major hits out. Consider: six discs, which is roughly seven hours and fifty minutes of music.  The band have had something like 55 charting singles, let's say two and three-quarter hours. Still leaves over five hours for classics, deep cuts and a bounty of archive tracks.

Yeah rite, ya fuckin' ignorant dotard! LOL

They could mix it up and put the Summer In Paradise 'Surfin'' ant the start and the original in the 90's section

Some session outtakes from the later material ('67-2012) would be great. I don't mean just alt. versions but also studio chatter, etc.

I guess the problem is that in the digital era the "tapes are not rolling", so usually you don't have studio chatter or in-progress versions.
But yes, would be very cool.

Given "Forever" and "Surfin'" being recorded in hella late 80s/early 90s arrangements, I can only assume they did the same for their entire back catalog (with rewritten lyrics by Mike Love in 1992) and will be releasing all of it on this box set. It will include the Full House rap version of "Forever" as a "special" bonus traxxx

Hung surfboard overtaken me
Dim surfer girl, awaken me
To a surf dissolved in the durf
(Surfin', surfin')
The tourist beach, a costly surf
Our money all is lost for now
To a surfin' trumpeter guy
(Surfin', surfin')
Columnated surfboards domino

I'm a bro on a sunny day
Pretty soon I'll be cruisin' away
How long will the bros cruise?
How long will the bros cruise?
It tans my hide
Hey, hey, hey now!

The beach has got waves, but they ain't doin' me no good,
I wish they could
Each tide brings surfin' action again
I think I got surfin' good goin' for myself
But what goes wrong?
Sometimes I surf very bad
Sometimes I surf very bad
Sometimes I surf very bad

etc.

Still possible to cover their 50 year career with top-notch music without touching on the hits if the compilers so wished. And I hope they so wish.

And given that there'll be not one but TWO GHs packages out near-simultaneously, I hope they take that option.  JQP, if he's bought the GHs sets and is inspired to delve deeper, might be mighty pished if he finds he's shellling out for the same hits twice.

And if he's uncharacteristically started with the box, he ain't gonna shell for the GH sets subsequently.

Those of us who're gonna be shelling for the box don't need the hits again and there shouldn't be any incentive to include them on the box.

Well put. Nothing against the hits, but everyone who is ready to shell megabucks for the box probably owns them all already. I know I do.

It just dawned me that the box might include some 2011-2012 outtakes as well, from the TWGMTR sessions. Could it be we get to hear rest of the suite on the box?

I don't think all elements of this suite were recorded beyond the demo stage. Joe Thomas mentioned having pout them together in ProTools but I think he meant Brian Wilson's demo compositions, not contemporary BBs' recordings. Here's a snippet or two from the lengthy interview:


Note that from what Thomas says the playing order of the vinyl was indeed shuffled prior to release from what was originally intended. I'd thought the shuffle was to accommodate timings, but this implies the possibility of an "otherwise"…

Worth reading the rest of the interview if you haven't already – there's some interesting info in there.

http://andrewromano.tumblr.com/joethomasbeachboys
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But my guess is that if the suite were to be included in the box, the band would have to have returned to the studio to flesh out some of Brian's ideas that Thomas had down on tape for years.

Great stuff! I didn't think that "Summer's Gone" was meant to be the last Beach Boys song. Go out Rockin' and Rollin'!!! Rock and Roll album, please??!!!  ;)

Brian said he wanted a harder sound if they do another album. It'd be much more appropriate as a Beach Boys album, to me, and I'm really hoping it happens that way and is the end result of Brian's previously mentioned rock & roll album that he's been talking about for ages now.

Don't know if I'd want them to end on that, but I definitely want to see it happen.

I'd like to see as much unreleased archive material on the new box set as possible.

But how about a 'best of' disc of Beach Boys solo material?

Getting all the rights from various sources might be a problem but a collection of Beach boys solo material would be great!

Any material left from Dennis? Some cuts from POB and Bamboo would be included.

Carl's solo albums could be represented here.

Brian? Obviously. (I'd like to see the current group record "Love and Mercy" and some other Brian solo songs)

Al and Bruce have solo material. Throw in a few from David and the Marksmen.

Mike? He's got a few rare albums of material, too. I'd l like to see the Celebration material included. 'Almost Summer', 'Country Pie', 'Hows about a little bit...' were all originally recorded or played LIVE by the Beach Boys.

It's part of their careers...not as a group but still part of the story.

The solo compilation is a neat idea, but it's better kept separate from the big box. With so many great BB songs still in the can, it would be silly to "waste" precious disc space on solo stuff which, let's be honest here, just isn't as good as the full band stuff.

I really don't see that happening. Quite a bit of that material isn't owned by Capitol. And besides that, Mike's album, Carl's albums and 'Going Public' are even worse than what The Beach Boys were releasing around the same time.

Eagerly anticipating the First Love/Country Love twofer. EAGERLY.

In 2012, including all the usual hits etc... seems like such a waste of their time and my money.

Seriously, who doesn't have this stuff? I don't mind paying a lot for unreleased stuff, but i don't want it padded out by stuff i own multiple times already.

It'll probably be a variation on the GV 30 years box, but the 'rare' material will be swapped for currently unreleased stuff.

6 discs is rather a lot! We'll have to see.

The box will need the usual hits, otherwise nobody besides a relatively small group of hardcore fans is going to buy the thing. I think that something like 1/3 hits, 1/3 album tracks and 1/3 rarities would be a fair deal.

Agreed. The more unreleased archive material the better!


Point taken. Again, the more unreased archive material the better!  :p


Hey, it's part of the history and part of the story. I think the Celebration material is worth releasing. Mike Nesmith, are you out there?

I really hope we don't see even more songs go out of print and get buried.

Hits aren't mandatory for box sets. Nirvana's 2004 box set contained no hits or even album tracks sans a few early versions of hits and album tracks. It was filled with unreleased stuff of varying quality. Hardcore fans ate that sh*t up (sans the shoddy mastering job and some inferior sources) and it sold pretty well, too. The Beach Boys are probably capable of doing the same with a similar set.

Skip the album tracks. Nobody's gonna buy the box because of them. Joe Public buys the box because of hits (why, I don't know: he could have the hits by buying any cheap greatest hits package) and us hardcores buy it because of the rarities. No need for album tracks here, at least in exactly the same form as on the albums.

I disagree. It would be a good way to introduce a casual fan or two to a bit of Friends and Sunflower material.

OK, good point. That's a really good box set.

Exactly. I bought the box set because of the SMiLE material, but ended up falling in love with stuff like Love You because of the album tracks on the set.

But if I had my druthers, I'd prefer all previously unreleased on this set.

Are we forgetting that all the songs will be remastered, and could be the only source of some new remasters of wild honey, friends, and 20/20 songs? (not even including later albums)

I suspect there'll be a second wave of 12 remastered LPs at some stage:

Surfin' Safari
Wild Honey
Friends
20/20
Holland
Carl & The Passions
15 Big Ones
Love You
MIU
LA
Keeping The Summer Alive
The Beach Boys

In Concert, Concert, Live in London, Knebworth, Paramount '93 and Carnegie 72 (and others?) could form the basis of a career-spanning live box set sometime in 2013 or beyond.

That leaves the Christmas Album*, Stack o' Tracks**, Summer 'n Paradise***, Still Cruisin'**** and Stars n' Stripes***** to form the basis of a centenary box, Made In Colostomy, in 2062******.

* Actually due a reissue any day now…
** Most probably available either with the singles box, the 93 GV box or elsewhere, and the rest could be on Made In California.
*** Seems to be being written out of history
**** As half the tracks are available remastered on the remastered albums, the rest could squeeze on to the new box with hardly any impact on the inclusion of fresh unreleased material
***** The Tammy Wynette track, Caroline No and the Willie Nelson track would all be worthy of the box set, perhaps the latter two in a cappella format.
****** According to my 50-year almanac, Al will by then be the only surviving BB, and he's already anticipating this release by retouching, remixing, remastering and re-recording Loop-De-Loop.

Why would a casual fan drop a hundred bucks just so they can have a CD with Kokomo on it?

answer: no one does these things.

I don't think there's any question that Wild Honey and others will be reissued.  The only question is whether people on this board start using a little common sense and stop acting like Phil wannabes.

Honestly, who wants crap like SIP and solo material hogging space on the box when we could get more rarities instead.

Uh?

I would love to hear Mike's solo albums officially released. the quality on the bootlegs is terrible.

Yeh, I suppose we do have to keep in mind, there is a market for people who buy box sets as 'definitive' collections of an artsit's work ... so as much as I don't need the hits (or even deep album cuts), they're part of the history and some 'more than casual/less than us' fans might want just this.

though I have a feeling we're in for a treat.

Good point, especially when this casual fan has opportunity to buy cheaper compilations this year with Kokomo on it, along with other major Beach Boys hits.

I'm agreeing with you.  Maybe not on the details, but on the concept.

But he is our lord and saviour..

This is the Beach Boys though, so there will be hits on the album. That doesn't necessarily mean that they will be thehit versions. I'm thinking along the lines of the Endless Harmony soundtracks. You had some hits tehre but in different versions (alternative, live, first time stereo, etc.). Maybe we'll also get another unreleased concert.

I like this idea, get the hits in via the Chicago '65 show or something on one disc and use alternate versions or mixes, demos, other live cuts and unreleased songs to fill out the set. That's something that would make all of us happy and sell to casual fans.

I would hate to see them ape the '93 box set. If it's mostly going to be a retread of that concept (hits, a few album cuts and a few unreleased studio cuts) I probably won't be buying.

I've noticed the Amazon link that was working yesterday has been taken down..

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Saw that. Kinda bummed. Figured an announcement was imminent. Maybe it still is.

maybe it will be like thee "beatles anthology",songs in chronilogical order and "hits" but done as alt takes/live/rarirites instead of the masters,after all BA was 6 discs too..with two or three new songs this may mirror BA..just a thought

No way that's gonna happen. It also makes no sense.

Only reason The Beatles did it like that was because they hardly had any truly unreleased titles ("That Means A  Lot", "If You've Got Trouble"), very few worthy alternates ("Ob La Di, Ob La Da", "One After 909", "While My Guitar Gently Weeps"), just a few songs later used on solo albums ("Junk", "All Things Must Pass") and a song one of them wrote covered by another artist ("Come And Get It"). So basically they had to fill it out with a lot of alternates and live takes that probably didn't totally need to be released. If The Beatles had the amount of unreleased material that The Beach Boys did, they wouldn't have been scraping the bottom of the barrel so much.

However, The Beach Boys don't really have this problem. They have a lot of unreleased stuff to fill up a nice collection, so hopefully the only alternate and live things that go on there are truly revelatory.

There is so much potential for this box set to be amazing and to quench our thirst for some good hardy unreleased material that we've all been waiting for.  To think that there's a possiblity that we won't get that really bums me out.

We're talking 6 discs here.  That's more than a "few" cuts.  And yes, you'll buy it.
We all will.  People here need to stop expecting to be let down all the time.
Cheer up.

Well in regards to The Beatles, EMI originally wanted to release a single LP of outtakes entitled "Sessions" back in 1985 but it was killed dead because The Beatles at that time had quite the contentious relationship with their old record label and were in the process of suing them.  For what it's worth, I'm of the opinion that "Sessions" might have been better recieved by the general public if it had been released in 1995 in comparison to the "Anthology" series.  Don't get me wrong "Anthology" sold a ton but back when it came out, diehard fans were ticked off at all the remixes while causals ones were expecting a more traditional boxset probably in line with The Beach Boys' "Good Vibrations" box.  There was a great deal of gripes and grumbles from fans who thought they were purchasing a collection of Beatles hits and instead recieved a collection of Beatles alternate takes.  The "Anthology" also probably killed dead the possibly of any future Beatles releases (in the vein of The Beach Boys' "Hawthorne" or Dylan's "Bootleg Series") as well because "Anthology" truly exploited the most commercial material left in The Beatles vaults.  What remains in there now would only be of interests to the diehards whom The Beatles apparently don't market to.  But I digress.

Back to The Beach Boys:  The session tapes for "Don't Worry Baby" turned up recently correct? (post-"Hawthorne"?)  I'd love to hear an alternative version of that if it truly exists.  What are the status of some of the other sessions for sixties gems not found on official releases or boots?  Warmth Of The Sun?  Little Deuce Coupe?

Back to The Beatles:  The "Made In California" thing had me thinking, didn't The Beatles release a "Direct From Liverpool Box Set" back in the eighties that was more of a traditional box set that was packaged in a crate like package?  I think it was called "The Beatles Box" or something like that?

I’m toying with the idea of approaching Made In California 100% spoiler-free. I mean, imagine how mind-blowing that experience could be, just to sit and listen track-by-track, in the moment, in real time, dazzled and surprised by it all.

Anyone else considering something like this?

That would mean, of course, I wouldn’t be able to get within 100 miles of this message board!

If enough people are interested, is it crazy talk to maybe create a “spoiler-free” section of the board or something like that?

Now that you mention it, I don't think I would mind going in spoiler free.. It would be hard to not peep at a tracklist beforehand though.  :-\

big time!

Totally. wow, that's a great idea. I thought about this when I was randomly in a record store in Sacramento and saw TWGMTR on vinyl on the shelf. I bought it ... but I was thinking how much cooler it would have been, and how different my experience would have been if I didn't even know about it. 'woah, a new Beach Boys album!?!?' ... and you just take it home and put it on. Would have been a much different experience, and probably a better one.

I would love to do that, but I don't have near enough the willpower. I'd have to live in an internet free world.

I'm not expecting to be let down, this could be a really great release. The Smile Sessions, The Pet Sounds Sessions and the Good Vibrations box sets were all amazing. As everyone has pointed out, including what I had in the part of my previous post that you didn't quote, there are a lot of ways to please everyone and maximize the appeal of this box to all markets. I just think it would be stupid of Capitol to put out another career spanning box set that's the same concept as one that is still readily available. I know it's going to go out of print, but it would still be really easy to get a hold of used copies. If it is just a retread, I seriously will probably not buy it. I didn't buy the singles box set or any of the last few comps that have been released. There isn't enough value for me to pony up $100+ for a bunch of stuff I already have with a sprinkling of new mixes.

It's better to set the bar low in life.

I've learned that the hard way  :-[  :lol

I agree that Sessions would have been a MUCH better release. It basically cut away the fat and would have given us most of the essential stuff. You could have had "Free As A Bird" and "Real Love" at the beginning, and that would be that.

However, I do think there is a bit of material left for a great Beatles archival release. You could have "Sour Milk Sea" with George on vocals, "Goodbye" by McCartney, a finished "Now And Then", and probably some other stuff.

But anyways, enough about The Beatles.

Cool, well, if the idea turns out to have legs, maybe I could at least start a "Made In California Spoiler-Free BB Discussion Thread" thread.

Even then, though, it would hard not to peep at other thread titles.

It would also be a trick to persuade other kind souls to post major news updates, miscellaneous items of interest, etc. into our thread.

What would we post about?

Agreed! Great things are on the way!

I'll buy the remasters and if they all end up on a complete works box set I'll buy that, too!... as long as they add a few unreleased concerts or something!  ;) So much potential! So much to look forward to! Get Happy!

Well, there's a good question.  :lol

Hmmm. Other than general Beach Boys discussion, which might get pretty stale given a limited pool of contributors, we could keep a running list of other threads on the board that are "safe." - we would have to rely on other spoiled folk to do the scouting though.

Hmmm. The only other ideas I can come up with would involve involvement of moderators: for example, threads could be designated "safe" and labelled as such before you click on them? Or maybe a new section is created, a la the TSS section? Naw, that would be difficult to maintain and lure others to provide "safe" updates. A whole 'nother section would just get ignored.

Who am I kidding - the only real option here is to just ignore the board altogether!  :lol

The Smile Sessions, TWGMTR, Love you?

 ;D

It would be nice to have the strength to wait until the box comes out, but I know myself too well. I'm too weak and curious for it.

I was thinking that a forum this important diserves a seriously try-hard mod, who would also redesign the site, while keeping the system easy to use.

I'm a young programmer, with no job as of now, I'd be happy to do it next week before I go back to school.

I know how to add "safe" and "spoiler" tags too.

At the risk of going off-topic I have to say, YES! this forum does need a redesign

I'm thinking it could look more like the cover of the album, or maybe a less futuristic look :p

And some  new songs, according to Mr. Jardine,

I've never been crazy about the look and feel of this forum to be honest. JMO. Hope I'm not offending anyone by saying that.

Do you mean the cover of the TWGMTR album? That might actually be extremely effective. Such a simple, elegant motif with those waves.

Anyway, a full-on redesign might be a pretty big bite to try to chew.

Of all the boards I visit, this is the best laid-out and functioning of them all. It's practical and easy to use and most of the folk who post here are okay! That said, a "spoiler-free" facility might be cool.

By re design, I mean the look, and not feel, but I could create a feature where you can mark a thread as "spoiler" when necessary.

Topic deserves a thread of its own so it can be chewed over among the throng, if the mods and Chuck are willing.

Back to the topic of the thread, I'd love for a "Desper Disc" in the box which offers aural analysis of some of his glorious engineering work in the same way he's offered up studies of CCW and TWGMTR in his own honoured guest thread. One can dream!

Done. :)

I agree...I'd even buy Goin Public and that's sayin a lot

Same here... I've three editions already...

Y'know who else we should be including? Blondie - his solo offerings are some of the best of all the present and former Beach Boys. He might have had only a short tenure with the band but I wish this reunion was benefitting from his presence and his creative input. That could have been the sugar frosting on the icing on the marzipan on the cake!

I probably wouldn't want solo stuff to take up precious space on the box set, but that said, the unreleased second Flame album is amazing. I heard it just the once, and I was blown away. I seriously hope to see that get released.

Here's the link for anyone having trouble finding it. It's in another section (which makes sense).

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,14170.0.html

Agree regarding solo stuff on the box... The space is too precious!

Would love to hear Flame II... Suspect that'll happen one day, along witha legitimate release of the First album. I digress…

That's on the very top of my wish list.
It's also possible that a lost BBC session from '64 was found (they played "Hushabye" on the radio a few months ago from that session). That would also make a great addition. These shows are not very long and I guess both could easily fit onto one CD

I'd hope that the BBC might have other gems in its archive, sufficient for it to release its own set in future - bit like it has with the Kinks recently and is set to be doing with the late great John Martyn in the months to come.

Live tracks would be great, but not on the box. I'd like to hear full concerts, but they'd fill the box up in no time, and I want as as much room as possible saved for the studio rarities.

Do we know who is compiling the tracklisting yet? I very much hope it´s Alan Boyd or someone similar and not the group themselves, otherwise we´re liable to get Tears In The Morning, Student Demonstration Time, Don´t Go Near The Water (what was THAT lightweight fluff doing on Warmth of the Sun??) etc, and the usual under-representation of Dennis, who´s estate unfortunately has no say in anything.

Am I the only one who LOVED the Anthology Sets...? I was on the verge of casual -> diehard transition and it was perfect.

It's the alternative-universe Beatles narrative.

why does Dennis' estate have no say? I have seen this before, that only Mike, Al, Brian and Carl's estate has a say, but why not Dennis? I know at some point they took away his rights in the late 70's so Mike, Al and Bruce could override Carl and Dennis (and perhaps Brian's) opinions/decisions. Was this not key to Dennis getting depressed and falling out further?

I do love them, kinda. Six discs filled with great songs by one of the greatest bands ever, what's not to love? But to be honest, I would be happier with one jam-packed double CD. All the unreleased songs and significantly different versions, and that would be it.

And they kind of screwed up by editing some of the songs, comping songs from different takes and not including Carnival of Light! So, George didn't like avant garde, like the official explanation? Boo-hoo! And those speech tracks on Anthology 1 were useless at best.

They sold their share to BRI.

Not exactly - in the late seventies, Brian couldn't be bothered with corporate affairs, so he either just didn't show/vote, or gave his vote to Mike... but the end result was much the same. Dennis' estate sold his vote and share of BRI back to the corporation for a reduction in his outstanding debts.

Alan has apparently taken a step back from BB's archival product this year, for reasons including but not limited to his health scare earlier this year. Unless they're getting someone else in, you're looking at Mark Linett and Dennis Wolfe (who lead up TSS) as the guys behind it.

Well as the TSS box was fantastic that´s very good news, if its the case...

Ah yeah. Dennis Wolfe in particular seems very cool and totally appropriate for this sort of thing - he's the guy running things from the label's end, it would seem, so in light of that he was able to get TSS up to 5 discs and probably sell the big brass on things like the packaging and lavish booklet, which Mark & Alan noted they had a bit of difficulty with. [/speculation based on his job title]

He's also linked with the reissue campaign, lest we forget. So this should be great!

The GV box had around 140-145 songs on 5 discs.  SOS had 30 songs on 1 disc.  If we had close to 30 songs per disc on a 6 disc set that could be around 180 songs.  That leaves room for about 40 more songs than the GV box.  Supposing they would leave off around 20 cuts from GV, that would leave room for 60 different cuts other than what was on GV.

Now, make a wish list of 60 cuts you would add IF YOU WERE IN CHARGE of this project.

I might include;

California Feeling with the Carl and Bruce vocals
SIP single and lp versions
Selected Live cuts from the Live BOX SET tour of 93 (remains unreleased)
Selected cuts from the Live Nassau show (remains unreleased)
A few DW gems
Selected tunes from TWGMTR
DFTS from the Postcard LP
Today from BLW
Maybe from BB85
A dozen of the best unreleased songs out there on boots, cleaned up

feel free to add or make your own list....there is room for much more

As others have said, I hope they omit live tracks from this set to allow for more studio work to find its debut release. A live box could find its way out there one day in the future consisting of some of the stellar gigs they have in the archive.

Same with the solo stuff… save it for a rainy day.

And I hope they're not going to duplicate much of any of the 93 box. Fans have had nearly 20 years to buy that now and if they've missed their chance, well, they blew it.  Let's have all-new stuff if possible.

Oh, and my copy of the GV Box had six CDs, not five…  ;D

The sixth CD consisted of repeated songs from the other discs, because of prohibitive costs regarding publishing. Something to keep in mind for this new box.

I think the sixth CD was specific to Europe.


I think it is safe to say that a lot of the 93 box set tracks will be there (hits).  It would be nice if unreleased tracks from the 93 set are not duplicated here, and we only get new unreleased tracks.

Stuff I really want:

"Back Home" (B. Wilson/B. Norberg) 1963
"Where Is She" (B. Wilson) 1969
"(Wouldn't It Be Nice To) Live Again" (D. Wilson/S. Shapiro) 1971
"California Feelin'" (B. Wilson/S. Kalinich) 1974
"Barnyard Blues" (D. Wilson/C. Wilson) 1974
"In The Back Of My Mind" (B. Wilson/M. Love) 1975
"Goin' To The Beach" (B. Wilson/M. Love) 1979
"Boys And Girls" (B. Wilson) 1980
"Sweetie" (B. Wilson) 1981
"Dancing The Night Away" (B. Wilson/A. Paley/M. Love) 1995

I would also like to have the single mixes of "California Saga: California", "Rock And Roll Music", and "It's OK".

Besides that, anything else that I don't know of, such as late '60s/early '70s compositions by Brian or Dennis that we've never heard of. I'll take those if there are any.

Sorry, I meant the fifth CD.

Not on my GV box set it didn´t. It had six songs, which appeared to have been picked entirely to appease the non-Wilson members of the group, urgo we got Tears In The Morning and Sumahama amongst others.

The sixth disc was for Europe only and featured songs that were hits in Europe but not in the U.S. (which is why they weren't included among the first four discs).

...is the correct answer.

Which is too bad because Dennis gets overlooked (maybe because some people realize that his songs would outshine their own songs?). The P.O.B. re-issue was a big success and I guess it was only becaue of that that "Lady" got on Summer Love Songs. I was hoping that it opened the door for more Dennis material. Let's hope....

Yes, I know this. The correction was already noted.

Ian, the 6th CD was a Europe exclusive and had studio songs not found elsewhere on the set.

Of Course, while it's technically solo, you could finally have a CD release of Sound Of Free

Consider "Lady", among others.

lady is fallin in love right?  It was on Summer Love Songs.

Yeah, but it was actually a remix of different elements, so it's not really the original song.

I recall someone saying here that Brian was on Sound of Free. I can't really hear him, but if that's true, it's a contender...

I'd love to hear a cleaner version.

As a side note, although it wouldn't happen, an LP of the 'Best' Unreleased stuff would be brilliant for the super nerds in us!

Yes it was called 'The Beatles Box', released on EMI's subsidiary World Records..

+1

Still - this recording was issued as a Dennis Wilson solo single and much later made a Beach Boys compilation. I wouldn't say "Sound Of Free" is unlikely to appear on the box set, with that considered.

It would be really neat if the box set actually used the (mono, where applicable) single versions of all the songs that have such versions (whether or not they're discrete mixes compared to the album versions), should those songs get included in the box. This would be especially excellent for the late 1960s and basically all through their 1970s catalogue!

I'd also love to see vocals- and track-only mixes of "A Day in the Life of a Tree", "'Til I Die", "Please Let Me Wonder", "Time to Get Alone", "Ding Dang", "I'll Bet He's Nice", and... oh, I'm sure I could find more if I looked but those come to mind immediately.

Absolutely agree ! I hope for many 70s stuff and session outtakes

Just heard the entire "Love You Piano Demo" tape. It's without a doubt the greatest Brian work of art post-SMiLE.

I'm working on splicing out the mistakes.

Wow I would love to hear that!

Anyone know if this is all that exists of these songs? Are there other Love You era songs with similar recordings that haven't gotten out yet? "My Diane" in this setting would be really cool to hear.

And yeah, indeed a great listen.

It's almost as amazing as Wild Honey in stereo!

"I bet he's nice" and "LPOHT" are amazing. And LPOHT is very very clear as well.

Hmm, you're referring to the demos you can find on 'The Alternate Love You Album - Brian Loves You' and 'Dumb Angel Rarities, Vol. 03', I guess?

They were sent to me, so I'm not sure... They're all good quality and complete recordings, 5 love you songs.

Is this not a slight deviation I see occuring?

Yeah! They're great - all though 'Rarities' have six songs from 'Love You', but also couple of other demos from the same year.

Well, I meant to add that they should be on the box, but got sidetracked while typing haha

If by "slight" you mean "relevant" :)

Ooh, I was just watching American Band and now I know what song I really want on the box set: "Rock and Roll Woman."  One of my favorite Buffalo Springfield songs and the Beach Boys version is awesome.

EDIT:  And "Okie from Muskogee" too.  I don't think either song has ever been on an officially released Beach Boys album.

DROOL..................................................

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What John said times 1,000!

I don't think we should change the board at all. It's one of the best around there is.

teh hell happened to this thread?

I think most of us figured we were on the cusp of getting some big news on the box, and then.........nothing.


We can only fantasize about what we hope is on there for so long. Hopefully we get some substantial news soon.

I'm sure after the other Beach Boys releases come out they'll start shedding some light on the box set. 

I thought the suite was never finished?

Maybe an announcement at the Grammy museum event in Sept? That's just before the albums get reissued so maybe appropriate for Mike or A. N. Other to let slip details of the exciting Christmas goodies which will be made available for anyone who likes 'em.

Haha, no, I mean suddenly there's heysaboda's post quoting something from a very different thread and you agreeing with him. I was cornfused.

New teaser:

"Their upcoming six-CD career spanning box set, Made In California, is scheduled for late November and will include a substantial amount of unreleased and remixed tracks, along with all of the band's greatest hits."

http://www.wmmr.com/music/news/story.aspx?ID=1763692

Including their hits is painfully redudant, but expected. ARGHZ.

I hope the "greatest hits" come in the form of an unreleased alternate take or newly remixed form...that would be the best way to include the tracks without having us to shell out $$ for songs we already have 100 times over.  I'm not even sure why they'd have to include any of the hits on this box set.  What new fan is going to buy a box set of greatest hits and unreleased tracks as their first introduction to the band?  No matter how great the '93 box set was or Hawthorne was...if I was a new fan, that'd be the last place I'd start.

I know many casual fans who bought the GV box because it contained the hits, which they wanted all in one place. And they got into things like Smile as a result.

How did the 70 prior hits collections elude them?

I dunno, maybe the fact that none of them were truly career-spanning put them off.

It might also be that "Made in California" will become the quintessential collection... all the hits, a boatload of rarities and unreleased gems... all in one place.  

I'll withhold further judgement until I see the tracklist.

I applaud anyone who is bold enough to jump into a multi-disc box set containing a mix of hits and unreleased tunes even if you're just a casual fan.  To me, it'd be an overwhelming experience that may or may not pay off.  Getting everything like that so early in the fandom sort of puts things out of context for me.  I work through the released albums and get to know the entire catalog and then later I "reward" myself by looking into the unreleased material found on box sets or archive releases when I can finally appreciate the rare items.

I agree about unreleased material. But The Beach Boys aren't seen as an album band by the mainstream rock listener, Pet Sounds/Smile aside. So a box set of theirs would have been looked at in a similar way to boxes by Patsy Cline, Miracles, etc.  There are probably many people here who haven't listened through every Beach Boys album. I don't think of the BB as an album-centered act myself, and that is a compliment.

Agreed. I take this as good news. We knew the hits were gonna be on the box - did anyone really think there would be a 6 disc box without the foundation of the Beach Boys' popularity? Skip the new greatest hits collections and splurge on the album reissues and the box - I'm sure there will be enough goodies to justify everything.

I don't know, I mean I think we're over-generalizing what a 'casual' fan is. They're not all 'I heard "Surfin' Safari" on the radio; that's a cool jam' people ... I mean, i know plenty of people who maybe have heard Smiley Smiley & Friends, are familiar with the early hits, but maybe haven't heard Sunflower ... who maybe would enjoy Adult Child, you know? Plenty of 'serious' music fans buy box sets to delve deeper into a band they are somewhat familiar with and want a definitive collection but don't want to do all the research to find the coolest stuff themselves.

For instance, I would buy a definitive Monkees box, but not all the individual albums or any greatest hits.

Well, maybe the fact that they will have just released 2 separate greatest hits sets means that the new Made in California box will be light on the "hits" and heavy on rarities?

Music Box is pretty excellent in that regard.

That is what I am hoping that this box set given it's apparent girth of six discs is going to be marketed to the collector.  Honestly I'd be happy with three discs of hits and three discs of rarities as unlikely as that will be. 

Sploosh!

ha, yeh i had that one awhile ago ... good box

Fair points...for those adventurous fans who'd be willing to get the new box set could have a nice "sampler" of the entire BB catalog.  I suppose such a box set could make a casual fan into a more serious fan.  They could hear the tunes in the set and then look for the albums for which they came from.


True.  I know I've shelled out some big bucks for a couple box sets of artists' I enjoyed casually but wanted to get serious about.  But they were mainly just box sets of their full catalog of released studio albums.  Mixing the unreleased stuff sort of trips me up...I don't like listening to an unreleased track without knowing its context of where it came from, what period/era it was recorded and etc etc.  That's just me, I guess.

On the other hand, something that could support your point of view is that box sets sell nowhere near the amount they did in the 90's. Casual fans in this era are more likely to download all the tracks they want, now that the desire and need for physical product has been broken.
If this new box were a definitive career-spanning summary, the hits would be a must. But I have doubts that it will be. The mono format of the first two discs in the GV box will for me, at least, give that set the nod.

i hear ya, but in the case of groups like our Beach Boys and the Monkees, often the unreleased stuff is superior to the released stuff (i.e. MIU instead of ADULT CHILD) ... the booklets inside usually provide context !

Well this went straight to the top of this years wish list.  Although I'll wait to open this gift.  SMiLE Sessions I couldn't wait for.  The wait was killing me because unlike many of you, I had not heard most of the sessions beforehand and it was all new to me.  Looking forward to what's going to be on this one! :-D 

This site...

http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/poprock/detail/-/art/Beach-Boys-Made-In-California-Limited-Bo/hnum/3084686

… Has November 16 release date.

That's a very good point.  All of the Elvis box sets I own were all released in the 90's.  Fans haven't had a proper archive release like those in a very, very long time.  Those were great times for physical media lovers.  They have a fine line to balance with "Made In California"...a career-spanning box set is easy but a full throttle archive/rarities set is more rewarding in the long run.  Let's hope for the best!

Yes indeed good call.  AGD mentioned earlier that this is really their last opportunity to release such a huge product for it to make any kind of impact.  I'm hoping they do it justice.

Remixed tracks?   ???

Hopefully they mean fresh full and bright sounding mixes of old favorites (Some "first time in stereo stuff" perhaps) and not any sort of "Club Mixes" if you know what I mean?

With this band you never know?  Maybe we'll get some mash-ups of Beach Boys favorites  :lol

Of course they mean the type of remixes they have been doing for over 15 years now.

With the earlier rarities compilations in mind, I'm guessing that remixed in this case could also mean that there will be binaural mixes (vocals on one channel, music on the other), a capella mixes or radically different alternate mixes.

The band Jellyfish only put out two albums, but they eventually issued a 4-CD boxed set which contained NONE of those album tracks. Instead it had the demos of every song, alternate versions, live versions, b-sides and unreleased stuff. It was a great compilation which proved you could do a career-spanning box without including the "hits".

Uhm, what?! Why have I never heard of this boxset! I love Jellyfish.

German Amazon's tracklisting for 50 Big Ones indicates that Darlin' and Wild Honey will be in stereo.

http://www.amazon.de/Greatest-Hits-Ones-Limited-Edition/dp/B008LA7RH0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1346256576&sr=8-1

Awesome. And it also might indicate that 'Friends', '20/20'  and 'Holland' has been remastered in 2012. :D

That bodes well for future stereo releases of their respective albums then. Cool.

Not sure about 20/20; two of the three of the 20/20 era tracks on there – Do It Again and Cottonfields – had differing single mixes which might be the ones used here. That only leaves one from the album, I Can Hear Music.  I know, I'm being a pedant!!  ;D

Why the fork, however, isn't Breakaway on this set? I know, I know, you can only have 50 from the many, but still…

Good point - we can hope though. :)
And I agree, I rather have Breakaway any day over Cottonfields!

Cottonfields was in the live set, whereas Break Away was not. These 50 Big Ones with the exception of 3 songs have all been in and out of the Reunion setlist.

I don't see "Aren't you glad" on there, not excited  ;D

That's because it's a Greatest Hits release.

Yeah I know..

It was just a joke  ;)

True doctor, though I'd have Break Away in the live set any day over Cottonfields ;D

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Also interesting that I Get Around, Help Me Rhonda and Fun Fun Fun are all still in mono but Do You Wanna Dance and Barbara Ann use their new 2012 stereo mixes.  Just to be 100% sure, I Get Around and Help Me Rhonda were remixed into stereo (as best as they could) on the new All Summer Long and SDSN CDs right?  Are they clearly inferior mixes to the usual mono ones?  I guess the stereo Fun Fun Fun wasn't kept because of that horrible fade out.

It also indicates a 2012 stereo mix for Heroes and Villains, which means this is yet another stereo mix attempt (unless it's a typo and is the 2011 mix).  Very cool to see the two Wild Honey tracks in stereo, can't wait to hear them.

They are extraction mixes, and would stick out a mile on the comp.

They probably didn't want to have anything with digital extractions on the compilation, which would explain why IGA and HMR aren't in "stereo".
H&V is probably the 2012 stereo mix that appears/will appear on the Smiley Smile remaster.

If it was a true stereo mix, it seems they used it. The songs that used digital extraction were left off and they used the original mono mix instead.

So...50 Big Ones suddenly becomes more appealing to the diehard fan base, no?

Sure, but I'm sure they will be on the big box, too.

Here Comes The Night (Air Club feat. D. Guetta remix)

btw I see all the songs from WH, Friends, 20/20, CATP, Holland, 15BO and LA are 2012 remasters. I guess all the catalogue was done and a new batch will show up sooner or later. Hope they remixed some of them too!

I feel this slight curriosity towards R&R Music, I wonder if it will be an improved single version or a remastered album version. I hope for the former!

I actually wouldn't be surprised if that ends up being a remix.

Don't be.

The 1976 National Album Countdown 'hot' mix - now, wouldn't that be nice ?!

Bertus Distribution, Holland indicates the following:

Made in California, 16 november, 6 cd's, 76 euro



Way, way cheaper than TSS!

Yippee! (I live in Holland, the only foreign country the BBs ever named an album after...). Will order today.

Isn't Bertus a wholesaler?

I've never heard this 'hot' mix - how is it different from the usual version (Which I am not a fan of)

Yes.

Sorry, I said it before in the Remasters-thread. But this is the system Dutch shops use to order cd's. The price can be anything between 90-100 euro's, with taxes.

It's on Get The Boot 2. It's quite muddy quality, because it's ripped from the radio (prefaced by a slightly sleepy sounding Carl interview), but there's a lot more guitar, I think it's sped up, and it's very compressed and loud. Knowing B-Dub, there's probably more moog. It's existence confuses me, tbh..... why did they play it on the radio when they had a single and an album mix?

They didn't, is the answer - the DJ refers to the track as being from the as yet-untitled double album.

There's also an extra verse you missed.  :-D

I was actually thinking of an all new, 2000s-era remix.

How 'bout the '76 hot mix but re-mastered? That would be the perfect solution for me!

Personally I hope no version of R&R Music make it to the box set at all. Unless of course it's the Beatles version, which wouldn't make sense at all ;)

I forget how much good stuff is on Get the Boot - glad to finally have heard it - and I actually don't mind this version!

Get ready folks because I guarantee there'll be some news on this box set this week. I'm away on business this week, with very limited time for "fun" stuff.  And every time that happens, something blows up with the Beach Boys. Last fall it was the audio samples of The Smile Sessions. Early this year it was the tracklist for TWGMTR.

Actually I can back this up. When I was away in 04 Brian released BWPS; this year's breaks have seen the remastered announced and one of the London gigs. I leave home late Thursday and won't be back til Monday night at the earliest. Standby your wallets…!

I have a show this week, so will essentially not be on the computer..... it has to be!

IMO, I don't need to see the artwork. Just give a tracklist and i'm good.

All i have to see is "Disk 3- Track 25. Wouldn't It Be Nice To Live Again" and i'll order.

Sadly, it was moved to track 23 in the 11th hour. ;(

Well, what I mean is, it has to end the CD containing the Surf's Up Material.

But after track 23 comes 24, which is "In The Back Of My Mind" (The 1975 piano demo)  ;D

I know. It was to be track 25, but was moved behind two alternate duophonic mixes of "Student Demonstration Time" ;( sorry to be the bringer of bad news.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

And those tracks are preceded by a spoken intro by Mike Love explaining how politically relevant the song was. 

"Surfing and cars were okay but there was a war going on."

Still reckon the box set date announcement will be made around the time of the Grammy Museum and UK shows, with a track list around the same time.

In fact I've heard the current set lists have been thrown out of the window for two UK shows and they'll have completely different set lists for these.

The first, Royal Albert Hall will feature a selection of songs from discs 1-3 of the set, while the Wembley Arena show will pick up with discs 4-6 material.

My Platinum VIP Higgs Bosun Ticket, for which I paid $1m in used dollar bills handed to Bruce Johnston personally from the trunk of a car parked under the Golden Gate Bridge after midnight gave me access to to the London gig rehearsals.

Last night I had the privilege of hearing them run through Running Bear, Beatrice From Baltimore, Hey Little Tomboy (which had some neat spoken word sections - you'll love them!) and a version of Star Spangled Banner that makes Jimmi Hendrix's version sound like something a guitarist would put out.

I just had an online conference with the staff at CERN. They told me that you are the victim of magnetic field disturbances caused locally by the excessive top spin (AKA the Federer effect) of the Higgs bosons still doing their thang.

Also, they told me that both Wembley shows will exclusively consist of the whole of Summer In Paradise and all the outtakes and studio banter, the latter faithfully reproduced by all who were present at the time, recording this classic album. The whole shows will last about 4 hours.

I hope we finally get a release of Dick ('what's long and thin and covered in skin and goodness knows how many holes it's been in?'). THAT would complete the box set for me...

That was played at rehearsals too.

Heh.  Well...

I don't know who you've been talking to Don, but this morning's rehearsal was fab:

First off, they ran through the whole Pet Sounds album IN MONO, AS BRIAN INTENDED. (It think they were referencing the 1966 New York flat master, but Brian handled the bridge on WIBN, so who can be sure?). That'll be the first half of the RAH gig.

For the second half, they ran through the entire Sunflower album, performing Stephen W. Desper's quad mix live, in its entirety.

I was so overjoyed that I sobbed uncontrollably into the hessian tote bag that came as part of the Platinum VIP Higgs Bosun Ticket package.

Right, so all the musicians were basically placed in one long line fronting the audience - Brian first in line with a keytar  ;D

 :lol :lol :lol to you and John M. for your excellent replies!

Don, what science explains Mike Love?  ;D

Despite massively wanting to hear Wouldn't it be nice to live again, and pretty much every recorded note of Dennis material that exists, I'd almost equally love to hear clean versions of some of the boot stuff we all know and love. Carry Me Home/Sherry She Needs Me/Stevie rate up there with the best Beach Boys music, and they are only known from hissy sounding roughs.

RE: I've got a friend, isn't the Luxembourg version from a radio broadcast? Has anyone tried to track down the source tape? Would be amazing to hear a clear version of this song.

Personally I can do without ANY updated mixes of material the Beach Boys put out in the sixties/seventies, and I'd much rather see live/unreleased stuff come out

^ Yup!

Stereo isn't what a Brian Wilson produced record is about. The Beach Boys sixties work was perfect the way it was. I have often been called a heathen for this view, glad someone else agrees with me.

I'm with you too.

Me too. f*** stereo. Except Smiley Smile

 ;D I prefer the stereo mix for most of the tracks.  On some, the mono still works better.  It's nice to have both options.

Where listening is your main purpose and discrete mono mixes exist, that is obviously the way to go. Stereo mixes are neat to aid in deconstructive study or "close listening" where you want to grasp aural details (e.g., "I Just Wasn't Made for These Times") but I don't think I've ever ended up liking them more than their mono counterparts.

I prefer mixes that sound good to me. Some are in mono, some are in stereo. Some mono mixes sound like ass, some stereo mixes sound like ass.

imo.

Absolutely.

Dat.

Agreed! It'd be nice if - amongst all the clamour to release WIBNTLA - they also remembered to include Carry Me Home as well, another Dennis masterpiece. Shocking that songs of this quality are still languishing in the vaults. How about giving us BOTH, if that's not too much to ask? (I can quite easily picture certain band members poo-pooing Carry Me Home's inclusion however - ''The Beach Boys are supposed to be a fun band, this isn't what we're about, this isn't what people want, etc etc''.)

Nothing against proper remixes, as long as the original mixes are still available somewhere. But if some some (any!) unreleased studio tracks are dropper from the box set to make room for remixes and backing tracks, I see red! I want it all, from WIBNTLA to Battle Hymn, from Everybody Wants To Live to Cocaine Sessions!

Wasn't it mentioned somewhere that the box will contain unreleased material along with hits? I would not care if a new live version or remix of California Girls ever happened, I'm dead tired of that song and the fact that it and others in its vein must be included everywhere.
Made In California should be about what you say: unreleased songs and live cuts, and those live cuts should be songs they performed rarely or only at a certain point. I dont care if Little Deuce Coupe live is from 1974, I fking hate it when placed next to their contemporary output. Leave the early hits off this box IMO!

I think The Beach Boys should follow The Doors and the Hendrix estate, and form a "record company" that releases nothing but 100% unreleased material.

They're not gonna back down from including hits. It just ain't gonna happen, at this point. I have to agree, though. I cannot imagine being a collector when it comes to this band, and I'm puzzled by Capitol's endless hits regurgitations released year after year. No one needs a 23rd "remastered" version of "Surfin' USA", y'know? 50 Big Ones still somehow doesn't feel especially definitive to me even though the tracklist is okay (but not great).

If anything, I hope some of said hits at least include the occasional remix. I know it's blasphemy, but some of these vintage mixes just don't serve the songs well. I'm thinking less of their mid 60s stuff which usually sees stereo remixes and more of some songs from the 70s or 80s that lose something due to flat mixes that don't really serve the song well. I'm not looking for super modern mixes or anything of the sort, just something that does the song a little more justice. Think "Keepin' The Summer Alive" or something. It's not 1965 Brian Wilson jaw-on-the-floor incredible, but it's good and enjoyable enough. I hear Carl's vocal and there's still this sense of "I'm still young, I still have plenty to prove, I'm still vital", but the end result downplays that a great deal. It's a rock song, and unfortunately, the mix doesn't "rock" at all and doesn't serve the song well. Keep the original in circulation, on the album, but would I mind a remix of such a song? f*** naw, d00d. More organic mixes of something like "Getcha Back"? Sounds good to me. I know it's total blasphemy, but I wouldn't mind such remixes at all.

An acapella mix or stripped down version of Getcha Back would be awesome.  Virtually any remix that stripped away the 80's production of BB85 and later material would be awesome.

That project would be amazing.
Look at double fantasy!

The thing with that is that, unlike Double Fantasy, I don't think there's a lot of acoustic or non-synthesised sound on BB's 85. All the drums sound like machines, synths carry a lot of the action, not too many guitars....

That said, if they did a remix of 'It's Gettin' Late', I'd be on it like sonic.

I'd have more confidence in the ability of anyone in The Beach Boys organisation to do a good job of this, had I not just heard their idea of a radio friendly version of 'Isn't it Time', because that's straight up worse than any BB production from the eightes.

Sonic. That's my childhood right there.

Completely agreed.

Well heck, maybe the Beach Boys should just do an Unplugged album of only stuff that was recorded post- Holland. How's that sound?

I'd pay for the session time.

All this talk of wanting stripped down versions of TBBs '85 confuses me.  Yes, the production is dated, but in some ways it's the only thing interesting about the album.  There isn't very much artistic merit in the songs themselves, but the clash between definitively '80s style production and the band's attempts to recreate their former sound is at least an interesting historical document if not a musical masterpiece.  But there's so little substance that if you stripped the songs down there would be nothing left.  The problem is lack of good songwriting much more than anything else.

True, but a fresh reworking of something from the album that's actually decent (i.e. "Getcha Back") with a simpler arrangement that aims to be a little more timeless wouldn't be the worst listening experience. I mean yeah, you'll still have Mike's "Maybeh treat u like a MOOOVIE STAR" sh*t, but it could be a cool listen. If it doesn't, hay, that's cool, too.

But keep Brian's '85 falsetto recording. Don't you dare give that to Jeff >: (

Brian's 1985 falsetto is one of his last classic vocals. 8)

Getcha Back is the worst song on that album! you guys probably  just like it because of its attempts to sound like a classic song. you fell for the nostalgia formula hook, line and sinker!

AH FUCK

Getcha Back is the only good song on that album.

I agree.  Even if it's not that good a song, it's the best song on the album.  I hate that album.  It's hands down the worst album the boys made with Brian.

Come on, "maybe I don't know" is fantastic  :-\

Umm...  Where I Belong?????!!!!!  ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

I agree I only play the 45 of Getcha Back/Male Ego.

www.amazon.co.uk/Made-California-Limited-Bo/dp/B008XZKSRY/


Wonder what this is?

Placeholder listing?


Just announce it already!

Sir, that would be 15 Big Ones.

(for some odd reason, I am drawn to '85 - the only song I really don't care for is "It's Just A Matter of Time". Loves me some "Passing Friend", all five minutes.)

What? No way. 15 Big Ones have 'It's OK', 'Had to Phone Ya', 'That Same Song', 'Susie Cincinnati', 'Just Once in My Life', and 'Back Home' - all pretty good songs. BB85 has got 'Getcha' Back'. Enough said.

Taste is certainly subjective ;)

Ooh no...15 Big Ones has plenty of uninhibited, odd Brian at his best. MIU, Keepin' the Summer and '85 are barely listenable to me because the production is too sanitised. It's like, post Love You they all decided THAT was never going to happen again, and it hasn't.

With Dennis gone they lost any kind of soul (and hipness) in the music, no more 'wacky Brian' productions. Those were the things that kept them artistically interesting during the late sixties and seventies, imo.

fully agree.

by the late 70's Carl and Dennis were the only cool guys left. Brian had his eccentric/great moments, but Mike/Al/Bruce were about as lame as one could get. After LA Dennis slipped away and Carl gave up. The result being the utter trash KTSA (it's sh*t, whether one enjoys it or not, its just total sh*t...with an equally sh*t cover and production). 85' is not much improvement on KTSA (meaning it too is generally sh*t, the few good songs are rammed by sh*t production).

PS: I do like Goin' On, but if that is the best they can make then God help them (he didn't, because he thought it was sh*t too)!

Best song on Beach Boys 85: Karma Chameleon. 

There is absolutely no way this post can be serious.

And the Amazon.de listing was removed.

I think Ian's just died.

I don't know if this is true. Dennis didn't slip away so much as get booted out. I'm sure, if asked, he would have happily contributed material to KTSA and a follow up if he was still around. And with Carl, I think he was still trying, but his tastes were just becoming a lot less "hip". It looks like he was honestly trying with stuff like "Keepin' The Summer Alive" and "Livin' With A Heartache", but that it was just more predictable and not as artistic sounding as stuff like "Feel Flows" "Angel Come Home". Same thing with his stuff on the self-titled album. He was trying to make the band contemporary, but instead of leading like they used to, it sounded more like he was following the sounds of the times.

No, just wounded a bit from beating my head against the wall. But it's cool.

I am about to as well. TM song is like one of the worst BB material ever released.

I like 15 Big Ones.  It's OK, Back Home, Just Once in My Life, Had to Phone Ya, Susie Cincinnati, That Same Song,  those are some good songs.

"Made In California" (5 important songs on a 6 disc set,for the first time ever you will get every recording,demos,and alt takes  known for five historical songs we also include a rare live performance of each song as well)  :o
Disc #1 -"Surfin,what the beach boys are all about" -for the first time ever you get 78 minutes of the very first song ever recorded by the beach boys,including the rare out of print version from the now out of print "Summer in paradise" and a live "lip Synch" version an early tv appearance.
Disc #2-"The Problem Child Sessions"-for the first time ever we are releasing the complete sessions for what most fans call the last  great beach boys song,this disc contains not only the outtakes but a couple new remixes and a newly discovered live performance and piano demo with mike love on the piano. In Honor of the late John Ritter the song has been remixed with a syphony orchestra to pay tribute to a great comedian.
Disc#3-"Hey Little Tomboy,Listen to this disc"-Hey all you tomboys out there check out this disc dedicated just for you,for the first time ever you get to hear a pristine remaster of the lost tomboy sessions as well as a new duet,it also includes a piano demo with Brian and Dennis.
Disc #4-"Duets"- for the first time ever we are releasing every duet they ever did,including the now rare out of print "Stars and straipes" cd in it's entirety.
Disc#5-"Forever-The John Stamos sessions"-for the first time ever we are releasing the complete "John Stamos Forever sessions",we also found 5 live performances which will be included on here,as well as a "duet" between he and the late Dennis Wilson using todays best technology we took out certain parts of Johns voice and carefully placed it on the original Dennis Wilson version,we think Dennis  would be proud.
Disc#6-"Unreleased gems"for the first time ever the last disc is saved for the best,their greatest unreleased songs,including the long lost "Cocain Sessions",some of the songs slated for release are "Drip Drop","The battle hymn of the republic", and outtakes of "TM song",A demo of "Dennys drum" and live performances of "Ding Dang" and "Summer of Love"

I like the originals on 15 Big Ones (except TM) - but I find the covers to be pretty terrible. Glad you dig it, though.
All of you who have heard the BB version of "Just Once...", have you heard the original Righteous Brothers version? So powerful.

Nonsense. Where I Belong is hands down THE best Beach Boys song of the eighties!! (Also It's Gettin Late and I Do Love You also good songs. Getcha Back is the 5th or 6th best song on BB '85 - not my opinion, but a proven scientific fact).

I like "Where I Belong"..it's one of Carls best songs and blows away most of his solo stuff.

Like I said before, I like just about the whole album but I don't get the praise for Where I Belong. I think it's good but certainly nothing special....

Thirded, I hate that piece of sh*t song and cannot seriously believe that RangeRoverA1 thinks this is the best song on 15BO. But then again, she does hate The Everly Brothers and Koalas so who knows?

Does anyone else cut the Beach Boys much more slack than they would other groups? I mean I have most of 15 Big Ones, MIU, KTSA BB85 on my mp3 and DO listen to them from time to time, but when it comes to other groups I like that have put out albums of a similar mediocre quality as the ones mentioned above they never even get a lookin on my playlist. It seems I'm much more willing to forgive the BB's than I am other bands.

I'm sure we all do compared to the average person -- liking Love You is probably one of the better examples of this sort of thing -- but even I don't listen to any albums after 1977. There's just no point for me -- there are some good songs, sure, but they're few and far (far!) between that the GV box set has almost all you seriously need (except "Love Surrounds Me" and "My Diane").

I'm almost getting to the point where I think her iconoclastic tastes are so odd that they go all the way through crazy and into cool. Maybe she is the "clue to the new direction".

yeah, at first I thought her strange opinions were annoying but now I find them very amusing.

RRA1 is probably the one person on the board who's a bigger NRBQ fan than me...so she's A1 with me...

RangeRover is a chick? I didn't even know...

Hang on, I like to compile my imaginative L.A Light! It's got the mature songs and only the single version of HCTN!  ;D

You basically just re-posted my post ;)

I love 'TM Song'. 2nd only to 'Had to Phone Ya' on 15 Big Ones.

I do too. It's a song I often forget even exists, but when it comes on I always enjoy listening to it. It's just such an odd little song, and I'm pretty sure it's the only new song he wrote for 15 Big Ones besides "That Same Song", since "Back Home" was from the '60s, "It's OK" was from 1974, and "Had To Phone Ya" was a Spring song.

I've recently began to look at TM Song differently because of some of yous guys. It IS a lot of fun. The quirky backing track is endearing (in a Loop de Loop kinda way).

Who says what in the beginning? Dennis and Mike aren't hard to pick out, but...

I like "TM Song", too.  Always thought if Brian eliminated the "argument" part which is annoying, and developed the song a little more, maybe expand on that opening verse, it coulda been a contender. I once saw Al sing this song on I believe The Mike Douglas Show, and he added an additional opening line or two.

I also enjoy 15 Big Ones....Brian Wilson Rechannels Spector.

Now that I'd love to see!

The argument is the best bit! Who says 'Ahhh shup up!!'?

Glad to see TM Song getting some love, that one always brings a smile to my face. The argument at the start is indeed great, taste be damned.

Isn't it Brian who is the 'owner' who is having the argument with the rest?  I love how "what are you doing" is said.

The part about the car being on the lawn always makes me laugh my ass off.

Same with me. TM Song is awesome. I will never ever understand most hardcore Beach Boys fans.

TM Song reminds me a little bit about H.E.L.P. Is On The Way - which isn't a bad thing at all!

TM Song is a pure novelty. funny in context, but from a musical perspective:  :ahh

"TM Song" sucks. Sorry guys.

So does this tangent. We need some real news about this release.  :police:

Hold up, Joe Pesci, I think you're getting offended for no reason. I didn't mean to imply that I found you annoying, and I don't think Ian (Spaceman) has a problem with you either.

and in your first paragraph you defend that your taste is different than others', and then in the second you call me out for doing the same thing. I posted the quote of you liking your own username because I thought it was funny! that's not a bad thing, I'm not trying to mock you.

I'm sorry if it came off that way.

RangeRoverA1, I'm pretty sure I would not be alone to say that I appreciate your presence here and your posts.  I think it's also fun to have a laugh at our idiosyncrasies!

C'mon Capitol, share some news… good people are getting ansty…

Is it Carl who does the "YOU KEEP OUTTA THIS!!!" line? That part cracks me up.

Agree. Given that a November release is likely, which is a mere 2 months away, a press release would be the normal thing to do now.

Oh, I'm quite sure you don't. Actually, I wasn't being sarcastic in my post at all. But if you take the time to read what EVERY OTHER PERSON ON EARTH who is into the Beach Boys generally thinks about music, and then consider your own, which are generally DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED in every possible way, you might expect a bit of at least gentle chiding about it.
And honestly, your good mood means absolutely nothing to me, although I am sure you are an alright person and I'd probably buy you a beer if we were in a bar at the same time.

That's The Lovester.

I like RR's posts, and while it's true that her perspectives on the BBs are not "mainstream," I find them to be fascinating. She's one of the posters here that I consistently enjoy reading--so please let's not drive her away, OK??

Yeah. Capitol really love leaving it down to the wire


This..

So many people get driven away from this board because some of the "older" posters have a hard time accepting other people opinions.

RR is a great poster, very interesting. I hope she sticks around

Ditto. Although i don't believe that photo is really her...

It's not. That's Jenny Boyd - inspiration to Donovan's 'Jennifer Juniper', not to mention Mick Fleetwood's ex-wife.

I wasn't trying to drive anyone away at all, I was just offering my own honest opinions, which is more honorable than treating someone with kid gloves because of their gender (in my opinion). Newguy562 got plenty more stick for having less "controversial" opinions than this person has, and that isn't really fair, in retrospect.
Like I said, I'm sure "RangeRover" is a fine person.

"TM Song" is a highlight for me too, especially the "sometimesitgoesrealfast and other times it goes reeaalll slllooowww" part. It's a heck of a lot better than "Transcendental Meditation" on Friends which sounds like the jazz combo in hell led my Minnie Mouse.

I have no idea what younger (under 30) hardcore Beach Boys fans consider greatness nowadays. I. Spaceman talks about "EVERY OTHER PERSON ON EARTH" and such, but remember those perspectives constantly change. They're never set in stone. From my own experience, in the 80's hardcore Beach Boys fans were all about SMiLE and hardcore fans I knew didn't care for much after the Surf's Up album. In the 90's, everybody rediscovered Sunflower and Holland and then in the 00's it was Love You that became the big deal. I know quite a few fans here are kids in their 20's so it's always interesting for me to read what they're into, but you can be sure the next generation will come along and claim "MIU" is the undiscovered masterpiece or something like that, etc. It's one of the joys of a rather large Beach Boys catalog. 

Arguing about it is just useless.   

Newguy got sh*t for more than just his strange opinions.

imo.

I love him and miss him, however.

He left?

He just doesn't post nearly as often as he used to, and rarely in this section of the boards.

MIU will forever be garbage. I'm under 30, so that's my opinion on it.

As more archive material shows up, perhaps ppl will wonder how great SU, Caribou or LA Light coulda been? Even 15BO can have some merit one day, tbh I don't hate it anymore. KTSA, MIU, and everything else after will be in the bin. This includes TWGMTR which is great considering it came out against all odds now. But it is from too distant a period from their heyday in the 60's and 70's to be remembered. It will always remain with me a fun listen.

Well I'm 15, And my top 5 albums are

1. Pet Sounds
2. Smile
3. Friends
4. Love You
5. Sunflower

I like MIU. It's not nearly as dull as LA, just about even with KTSA. It has some good songs, nice melodies, Brian sounds good on it. It's a little cheezy, but it doesn't rely too much on covers and the sound is pretty organic. I'm under 30, so that's my opinion on it.

I love M.I.U .., i think its one of their best from the 70's....  im 28  ;D

I like Skatetown USA.

Yeah.............................we need a track list

This message board is notorious (in a good way, IMO....it's fun) for constantly adding and subtracting from original albums to improve them. MIU is no different from the ones you listed, as far as potential for improving that is.

15 Big Ones had 15 tracks and Love You had 14. By the time they got done with MIU, it was 12 tracks. You add "Winter Symphony", "Mike Come Back To L.A.", and close the album with "Our Team" and MIU is improved by a full grade.  

That's cool. When I was 15, only your #1 was available (on cassette). I had to borrow vinyl from an older fan and make tapes of #3, 4 and 5. I have to say that, in nosing around here, I'm a little surprised that "Today" doesn't rate higher with everybody. The worst part about Capitol cassettes in the 80's was that Capitol had a nasty habit of deleting songs and then collecting them onto new compilation like "Be True To Your School". The pre-Pet Sounds albums were short enough as it is, now I had to fork over extra $$ to get a fictitious album so I could have the complete catalog.

Back to the box set talk, seeing as how nothing has been officially announced I'm doing what I always do when it comes to Beach Boys archival releases...expecting the worst (no box set at all) but hoping for the best.

Today is an interesting album for me, I really really dislike all the current CD mixes, so I bought it on vinyl. It's one of my favorite albums... but only half.

If that album took side 2 of SD and side 2 of today, you have an amazing precursor to Pet Sounds.

I LOVE Today! But it isn't as consistently good as the albums I picked.

Interesting..

Which songs do you think are the pitfalls?

Is this circulating??

About ten years later of being a hardcore fan, I have finally just started getting into the '85 album and beyond BB-wise. I never thought I'd be able to enjoy it when I first heard it. I'm also getting heavily into the bootleg shows available. I liked pretty much everything else either right away or within a couple years of listening.

For some reason, that "Our Team" mini-documentary hasn't been on YouTube for a long time. I have a not-so-good copy on a VHS tape somewhere.

The "Mike Come Back To L.A." segment is the highlight of the documentary - or ANY documentary IMO. It's actually fairly long. It shows Brian and Mike working out the song in the studio; Brian is at the piano showing Mike the parts. Then they have footage of the recording session with a lot of people around; Brian is briefly shown handing out the harmony parts. Then they play a pretty long segment of the song; it's obviously not complete, you can hear that parts are missing.

But the absolute best moment is when they show the most "up", laughing, and lucid Brian I have ever seen - post 1975. He's playing the piano and making funny faces and trying to crack up Mike. You can feel the power others have talked about regarding Brian in the studio when he's on.

Anyway, I really liked the song, "Mike Come Back To L.A.", which became "Some Of Your Love", which I also like.

Don't Hurt My Little Sister, and Bull Sessions on each side, now that I look... it's not quite as bad as I thought...

I want.

I contend that sequencing that album differently would make it a cooler listen - not many agree with that. The ballads are all knockouts for sure, but there isn't enough variety on the first side to keep a smooth flow. All good songs, though (give or take Ronda).

Interesting...this kind of sounds similar to the (I think?) KTSA doc. It has Brian saying something and the whole band erupts into laughter. But I remember them working out "Goin' to the Beach" at the piano on that one.

This is from the Our Team doc:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkhqbwrYwi4

Oh, I agree with you. Almost any of those ballads would've made awesome side closers. But, damn, it's hard to criticize Today isn't it? Not that it ever stopped me before. :-D

Yes, now that you mention it there are similarities.

I've really always wanted to see this "Mike Come Back To L.A." sequence. I can't believe it's never popped up online. Nobody could put it up??

Honestly, I think it would be interesting if the group released some kind of DVD collection with the Our Team special, Goin' Plantium, 1989 Endless Summer stuff, and any other applicable stuff.

Today! is a perfect album. Ronda isn't as good as the single version but it's still  great song (surely those uncommercial fading in and out vocals were designed specifically to annoy Murry after his interference during the session, which only makes them even more fun...); Bull Sessions... is a throwaway album closer designed to take off some the heaviness the casual young BB fan was no doubt experiencing after the ballads, and it works perfectly in this respect - just press stop after In The Back Of My Mind if it bothers you, but personally i think it was a very clever move by Brian to include it; and as for Don't Hurt... How anyone can not love this song is beyond me! Each to their own i suppose.

The session with Murry took place at the vocal recording session for the "Rhonda" single version...not the "Ronda" album version.  AFAIK there's never really been an explanation as to why the volume was played with like that during the mixdown.

Maybe it's me being born in the CD age, but these "filler" tracks like "Bull Session" never bothered me in the least. That's especially true of that track considering it comes at the very end of the album and, in a sense, reminds me of these odd spoken word recordings etc. that everyone and their mother started including as hidden tracks in the 90s. To me, "In The Back Of My Mind" closes the album, "Bull Session" is just a little something extra that, as Disney Boy said, you can easily hit stop before.

Either way, I'd rather they saw release than not. "'Cassius Love' vs. 'Sonny' Wilson" and "Our Favorite Recording Sessions" are amusing listens, too.

I find it a little disturbing.  Brian is certainly up, but there's a manic, almost frantic edge to the jam session footage.  It is kind of surreal to watch Mike playing along on keyboards.

If you really listen to the arrangements on KTSA, you'll realize that it was the last time Brian was really in charge of most of the harmonies on a BBs record until, well... That's Why God Made the Radio. Say what you want to about "Some Of Your Love" being cheesy, but listen to the vocals in the tag - to quote Kanye West, "that sh*t cray!" That's some vintage BW genius at work. Who else could arrange vocals that way? The tag on "Oh Darlin'" has Brian throwing out some crazy counterpoint like it's child play.

"Goin' On", with those ascending harmonies during the chorus, also never fails to inspire me. What a display of raw emotion. And here I thought this BW guy had burned out a long time ago! Bruce said in an interview that a lot of effort was put into having everything done the way Brian wanted it done, and it shows.

Also, just because I'm on the topic, listen to Mike's part near the end of "Santa Ana Winds", when he repeats "Santa Ana winds keep blowin'". What a brilliant, pastoral melody. It sounds almost western, and really captures the feel of a mighty gale.

Does anyone have a divx/xvix/etc of the Our Team special?

I love KTSA. In my opinion, it kicks the pants off of MIU, and I definitely prefer it to LA. I also dig BB85, the production would bother me if it it was an album by any other artist. But coming from the boys, it is yet another fascinating iteration of my favorite band. And I think they pull it off.

I'm 28.

Goin' On has got some good music goin' on. All the music generally did even at this stage, but they failed with concieving any lyric which made any sense. Even 'Some Of Your Love' has a good track, but the lyrics are appalling.

I'm really looking forward to some new info on Made in California.  Didn't someone say there was a release date posted on a now-deleted page somewhere?  Was it an early Amazon pre-order page?

I only have this link for european fans: http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/SESSIONID/196d1014f13263da4d8d26de0491358e/poprock/detail/-/art/Beach-Boys-Made-In-California-Limited/hnum/3084686

Those ascending harmonies are a straight copy from an unused (at that time) Heroes & Villains 'snippet'. It's on TSS, now.
I love "Oh Darlin'" - Bruce said he was going for a Brian vibe and he generally got that. I've never been able to find the version with Brian on lead vocals, unfortunately, but I like Carl's vocal, too.
Don't care for his vocal on the title track at all, though - sounds like he's sauced! (he might have well been).

Well, I could give you some*... but then I'd have to kill you, of course.  :lol

[* denotes statement that may or may not be true]

By not giving us the information, you won't be killing us...that means you're letting us live. Therefore, concrete evidence "Wouldn't It Be Nice (To Live Again)" will be on the box. Thanks AGD!  :thumbsup

EMI release schedule for Czech Republic:

http://www.emimusic.cz/cz/titles.php?filter=date&order=desc

There are now several European online retailers with holder pages for the set.

Google "5099923234529" for an idea.

;)  Thanks, Andrew.  I guess I'll just have to try to be a little more patient.



Oh, and thanks, Dutchie, that must have been it.

So if that link is accurate and folks in Europe can expect a November 16 release, would that leave the U.S. with the 13th or 20th, I wonder?

Mad as a box of seriously insane frogs.

Swedish Frogs?

It's official. Swedish Frog (Live) will be on the box set!

19th for Europe, 20th for US is my guess. 16th is probably delivery day to stores.

omg, what the friggin' crap it was reading the last 2 or something pages. Guess RR is one of those childish attention seekers that can be met on the interwebs. I could be wrong but it's ridiculously obvious.

Nah, she's not..

Just an interesting girl with an interesting taste

lawl, I believe it was more her saying "Hey, I like that song" and then a handful of people saying "What?" and "Well, this isn't the first time you've liked something that most of us don't." several times and her responding with "Yeah, well, I like what I like."

In other words, a complete derailment of the topic at hand. :)

But hey, it's not as though we're swimming in box set talking points at the moment, I guess.

Wasn't really her fault, though - that's what I meant. And yeah, purty slow (which doesn't help), but I'm sure we'll see some kind of news or tidbits talked about soon.

Hopefully ;(

I think when more info arrives it will gain a new thread and this one will die. So people should feel free to rant on this thread, which they haven't hesitated to ;]

Bad news....

I'm pretty sure it looks as though this thing isn't coming out until 2013 now. To be exact, January 18, 2013.

So yeah that's kind of a bummer. I was really hoping that it was gonna happen in November. Oh well. Hopefully we at least get a track list soon.

http://www.discorder.com/shop/artist/Beach-Boys/Made-in-california--ltd-/6CD/5099923234529/p=gm/

Ahhh, Only a two month bump, was expecting much worse.

Seems abit unlogical though - surely they'd want it out for christmas?

The worse thing about this is that Phil will now post a long-winded diatribe against Capitol, The Beach Boys and Andrew.

They also list the most interesting title that I do not have in the collection, "15 Big Boys"

I would definitely not cling to any release date until the official announcement.

Especially a site listing 15 Big Boys...  ;D

Speak for yourself, I enjoy when Phil takes to the microphone and expresses himself.

Phil's fine, but his insistence that Capitol and the Beach Boys are the only people to ever change release dates and the repeated "The date was pushed back, it's never coming out" posts (always stated in the form of multi-paragraph posts) always feel a little silly. No offense, Mr.Cohen.

We should wait for a press realease before we get attached to a release date.

http://www.discorder.com/shop/artist/Beach%20Boys/15%20big%20boys_love%20you/CD/0724352794522

"15 big boys / love you"

what the actual f***?

Not be like Phil, and it's probably nothing but the date for Made in California is pushed back in my distribution program:

18 january 2013!

Hrm, further confirmation :( Hopefully this means they've uncovered something totally awesome and need a bit more time to mix it and/or make it presentable. Probably not, though. Ah well, I can wait.

More time to save our pennies and save our dimes!

Odd..  you think they'd want those Christmas sales.  Who releases box sets in January?

On the other hand, I remember the SMiLE box was also said to be pushed to early 2012 right before we got all the 11/1/11 news.

This discorder.com page doesn't look very professional or trust-worthy anyhow.

Neither does Brian Wilson (and when he does it looks creepy and very unnatural), but God bless him, he comes through for us every time.

It's not surprising the date has been pushed back- the clearances for the DVD always take a while.

I think we should all bitch about it endlessly and say that they should have released the DVD separately even though it results in an inferior product and it would cost us more.

EMI Czech Republic date is still 2012/11/19
http://www.emimusic.cz/cz/titles.php?filter=date&order=desc

Well, then, here it goes. Mr.Doe has always seen our disputes in terms of one person "winning" & another person "losing". Funny, I thought that all people who collect the music of The Beach Boys were "winners" when The Beach Boys & Capitol Records finally announced the release of "The Smile Sessions", then they followed through and actually released it. Under Mr.Doe's winner/loser system, I just won this round. The record company who(earlier this year) promised a Beach Boys career-spanning box set "Later this year" have failed to deliver the goods. I may have "won" this round, but, in fact, all of the people who collect the music of The Beach Boys now "lose". My victory is nothing to smile or gloat about.
                               As a collector of recorded music for more than 46 years, obviously, there are other groups that I collect avidly, including hard rock, early British beat groups and even progressive rock. Today, I am reeling from multiple bummers from the music industry which have hit me like a ton of bricks.

1. The Small Faces box set(from Universal Music/UK) has met the same fate as The Beach Boys "Made in California" box. Though mastered earlier this summer, the Small Faces box set was going to be a 5-CD box in a large box filled with memorabilia(not unlike the Pink Floyd "Immersion" boxes), and the compiler & creators of the Small Faces box got in over their heads.

2. Another group that I've been collecting for many years(since 1970) is the group and solo/spinoff recordings of the British hard rock group "Deep Purple". Though it was unknown to fans until a week ago, Purple compiler, fanzine operator and (later) website operator Simon Robinson had, since 1995, been the custodian & caretaker of all of the group's 1968-76 multitracks and masters, at an industrial park in Sheffield, England, and he would let EMI & Warner Brothers "borrow" tapes from this archive as needed for projects. The wills of original Purple managers Tony Edwards & John Coletta specified that after they had both died, that Robinson's posession of the tapes would end, and that Robinson would surrender/deliver the tapes to EMI's Abbey Road Studios, and so Robinson complied. But worse yet, litigation has now erupted between various surviving Purple members and the Edwards/Coletta estates, and possibly involving EMI. And the result? Robinson's 35 year tenure as compiler of Deep Purple's music will likely end, and, subsequent to an October/November 2012 pointless EMI/UK "Machine Head" box set(with not one note of previously unreleased music), there will be no further Deep Purple archival CD product for years to come, due to the litigation. As for Robinson, he has done a consistently superb job of compiling for 35 years, and been guardian of the tapes for 27 years. That there may be no further Deep Purple archival CD product may, in reality, be a moot point, since Robinson compiled expanded editions of every 1968-76 Purple studio & live album, and the archives have been 98% strip-mined of outtakes & unreleased songs.

3. There has still been no confirmed release date for Paul McCartney's "Rockshow" DVD & Blu-Ray release from Eagle Rock Entertainment or a confirmed release date for the "Wings Over America" CD box set from Concord Music.

Oh well, I'll have more money available to buy holiday presents for relatives this Christmastime. But I am still hopeful that scheduled DVD & Blu-Ray discs from The Rolling Stones & The Beatles will be released with no hang-ups.

Mods, please ban this asshole already! He doesn't want any BBs material to be released for the sake of his sick obsession of taking on AGD.

He only speaks truth. Leave him alone for now.

Why ban him?? Why what he wrote above would make him an asshole??
What's with the attitude of some people here?

He always provides proof with his opinions, so sorry If you dislike the truth sometimes, even if it is exaggerated.

I can't believe we're going over this again.


He spends 99% of his time here whinging about how sh*t is never going to be released. He barely contributes to the myriad of other threads on the board, spending his time playing the worlds smallest violin in threads like these and the remaster threads. And TSS thread last year.


He has nary a trace of optimism or patience in his body.

I actually thought it was an interesting post...

it's so annoying having to read people complaining about other posters. and I realize that's what I'm doing now. but just ignore it. IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL

Again and Again, month after month I've asked for a suicide emoticon. Where is my suicide emoticon? It needs to be posted in this thread right now.

Phil's a riot, let him be..

He's probably the only person in the world counting the days for a Paul McCartney "rockshow" dvd release, he obviously going to be a bit of a nut

(http://www.footballforums.net/forums/images/smilies/suicide.gif)

Well, no previous VHS or Laserdisc release of "Rockshow" had the complete concert. The new DVD & Blu-Ray releases will have 7 songs more than any previous home video release.

Bottom Line: Beach Boys Bummer: No box set. To get scorched on overpriced Japanese CD 's, and now this.  :(

:violin

Look at this way, Phil - if it wasn't for you buying some CDs, the suits at EMI/Capitol USA wouldn't have got the idea to release them worldwide. It was solely EMI Japan's game until suddenly everyone was interested. Small comfort, I know.


Also, the EMI distributor hasn't changed its date from 16/11/2012, which other sites back up. One sketchy website no-one has ever heard of claims an arbitrary date. Infer from that what you will.

Cheer up!

Why do we bet on the dates we hear about before the press release?

Can we all agree that a two-month delay (if the delay is even happening) wouldn't be that big of a deal?

Oh, I'm just saying I think it will come out sooner then what that site claims ;)

Here's a quote from the rock group "Queen"(on their album "The Game"):

Don't Try Suicide, Nobody Cares
Don't Try Suicide, You're Just Gonna Hate It
Don't Try Suicide, Nobody Gives a Damn

Wrong - I've invariably seen it as you talking depressive yet complete bollocks without having the first idea what's really going on and me pointing out the latter fact for the sake of anyone who might be misguided enough to believe you.

Here's the bottom line - everything, but EVERYTHING you've claimed would never be released, has been. This winning streak will continue for the forseeable future. Fact.  ;D

Also, if the box is bounced to 2013, it's nothing new: there was a box supposed to be released in 1966 that was over a year late, and as I recall the delay didn't hurt it at all. Can't speak for Mr.Piss-on-everyone's-parade, but life will go on for me, and I'm sure the delay will be worth the wait. Took 44 years to get the Smile sessions out...

I take it you meant 1996 instead of 1966?

correcting AGD is a pleasurable thing...

I'd hazard that you're probably the bigger asshole.  :afro

Yeah, Andrew seems to be wrong on this one.  Wasn't Neil Young's Decade supposed to be the first box set, more than 10 years after this supposed 1966 set Andrew mentions?

AGD IS A PHONEY! A BIG PHONEY!

No. it's a well-known fact that the original release format for Pet Sounds was going to be a 13-disc box comprising single sided 78s of each track for the best possible fidelity. It was finally released in fall 1967. I have the only known copy.

 :lol

The deletion of the "Good Vibrations:30 Years of The Beach Boys" box set(now bringing big money on the collectors market), the (possible) non-arrival of the "Made in California" box, coupled with the possible deletion of the "Two-Fer" series would put more than half of The Beach Boys recorded works out of print. After all, there is no indication that the one album per CD reissue series will continue with further albums beyond the 12 that were released in Japan back in July.

Perhaps the best idea, would be for the availability of the 12 one album per disc reissues to be for a limited time, for the "twofer" discs to stay in print, and for the "Good Vibrations:30 Years of The Beach Boys" box set to be reissued. Having more than half of The Beach Boys recordings disappear from the market is not a good idea. The 2012 reissue campaign seems to have been poorly coordinated.

I suppose that all the recordings that will disappear from the market will be kept in circulation through homemade copies or illegal downloads, but does that situation really benefit The Beach Boys or Capitol? Obviously, it doesn't.

It's possible that tomorrow morning Karen Allen will knock on my door and beg me to be her sex slave.

Somehow, I doubt that will happen... but you can't deny, it's possible.  However, I strongly suspect the (possible) non-release of the new box would give Cohen far greater pleasure.

Foda off, your a whiney little girl who complains about random "defects" on BBs releases.

A fellow Karen Allen drooler!  :) :)

And proud so to be.  ;D

This situation with the proposed box set, and the attitudes of many people on this board, make me not want to listen to any Beach Boys music for a long,long time. It's early morning here, and I'll shortly ride my exercise bike. I always play some music during my 30 minute "ride". This morning I'll be playing Jazz-Rock fusion music.

I'm sure that I'm not the only person unhappy about the non-release of the box set, but now many of you want to unleash your frustrations on me.
                             

Phil, you are one wacked dude! How you would allow a release, or lack thereof to affect your listening pleasure is beyond normal.

Plus, there has been no firm confirmation from Capitol that the Box is delayed, has there?

If anonymous person behind a shiny screen has enough power over you to make you feel down and wanna stop listening to the BB then perhaps a break from the internet is what you really need.

Phil - You have got to be the biggest drama queen and attention whore I have ever seen on the whole internet.  There has been no announcement by Capitol of a release date, just some random sites and distributors coming up with some possible dates.  So technically, nothing has been delayed because no date has been officially announced.  You just want it NOW NOW NOW.  All I read from you last year, month after month, was how The SMiLE Sessions was NOT coming out.  Are you mentally ill or something?  You must feed off angering people to gratify yourself or you are so unstable that the slightest bad news pushes you over the edge.  If the box is truly delayed until next year, then it's a shame we won't get to enjoy it sooner.  But it is coming.  Have some optimism.  How about that for your New Year's Resolution?  Thinking positive!

As far as things going out of print, they will still be available for years to come.  Even a 10 year old will figure out a way to "get" these two-fers one way or the other.  They even carry most of the two-fers, plus the GV and Pet Sounds box at my local library.  Life goes on even when things go out of print.

I'm thinking these things were taken out of print as they will likely re-appear in remastered form soon. Not specifically the GV box set remastered, but seeing a lot of the rarities from it in remastered form on the Made In California box set or something similar.

"It's possible that tomorrow morning Karen Allen will knock on my door and beg me to be her sex slave."

I'll send her around when she's finished. Might be some time.  My fault: not hers. But neither of us are complaining...  :p

AGD digs sloppy seconds.

Actually, some friends & one family member have, in recent years suggested that I should find a new hobby; not as an alternative to computer use, but rather, as an alternative to music collecting. I've been at it(with music collecting) since a time when The Beatles' latest album was "Revolver". It's been a long time.....since 1966.

Delete 'hobby', replace with 'obsession'.

replace 'hobby' with 'outlook on life' and I think you'll be good to go.

I think you are the only person here unhappy about the non-release of the box set.  Some here seem frustrated because the box may have been pushed out a couple of months.  Me, no frustrations here.  Just as with The Smile Sessions box, I will patiently sit and wait for the official announcement of the release date and package details.  Heck, I don't even need a tracklist...I'm going to buy the thing anyway.  

You know, the weatherman said it was supposed to be sunny here this morning, and it's not.  It's cloudy.  I can't see the sun.  I don't think the sun is ever going to shine again, which is, you know, a shame.  Try to have a good day anyway, Phil.  I know I will.  

 

Maybe just dig a bit deeper? Could it be that you're jaded with the mainstream bands and need to fully check out the bottomless pit of brilliant sixties and seventies music rather than focusing so much on the mainstream. I dunno, maybe you do already.

There is so much cool stuff out there. There's a reason you'll never find me obsessing about the minutiae of the different pressings/masterings of Beach Boys albums, it's because there is some screaming mid sixties Polish garage band I'm digging at the moment, or whatever.

Mr.Doe, most people who are collectors, especially completest collectors (whether they collect comic books, baseball cards, records etc.) are, by definition obsessive.

Some of Phil's complaints are 100% valid. Some are a little silly (i.e. "the release date has been pushed back, it's obviously never coming out"). I feel like the distinction should be made because most people just peg him as a hysteric who only speaks irrationally when that's not true, and they go further to discredit said valid complaints based on something he said elsewhere or they use him to discredit people who have the same stance as him. Not cool.

JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT. Phil's okay. Carry on.

Originally, until the box set apparently fell into limbo, this 50th anniversary Compact Disc campaign had three parts. They were:

1. 1-CD & 2-CD greatest hits sets aimed at casual consumers; people who might see these 1-CD & 2-CD compilations in the racks at their local record shop or department store, and say to themselves, "I heard that The Beach Boys have recently reunited. I don't have much of their music in my collection, and these greatest hits packages have all or most of the Beach Boys hits that I remember. I think I'll buy this."

2. Twelve reissues of original albums. People who already have a greatest hits CD in their collection, and are seeking to delve deeper into the group's music may pick up some of the Beach Boys albums that they remember best, or may have once owned on vinyl or cassette. In addition, the CD debut of the mono mixes of 5 albums, and the first time in stereo release of 4 albums mean that at least 9 of these reissues will also be purchased by Beach Boys completests; hard-core fans.

3. A box set which is a collectors product that will only be purchased by completest, hard-core fans.

Obviously, after it was decided to release the 12 back catalogue discs internationally(I.E. outside Japan), there were manufacturing delays, forcing the September to October postponement. Were the 12 discs newly mastered for the international release? We don't know yet.

But the dilemma that Capitol's marketing people have is this: because the market for the 12 catalogue CD's partly overlaps with the market for a box set, would releasing the box set within the same season as the 12 catalogue CD's hurt sales on the 12 catalogue CD's? Perhaps, but the avid fans have already decided whether to buy the box set, and whether they will buy some or all of the 12 catalogue CD's.

Capitol has obviously decided that the market can't absorb (I.E. afford) having the 12 catalogue CD's & the box set released within the same season.

Do I resent Capitol? Yes. They were the ones who, earlier in 2012 promised a career-spanning box set "later this year".

The wizard of Farnham looked into his crystal ball and saw otherwise....

The box set can't be in limbo, the Pope decided a few years ago that limbo no longer existed so your argument is invalid.

WHAT NOW, POPE?

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f*** YOU POPE I LIMBO WHEN I WANT AND I DO SO AT THE INTERNATIONAL FUN-SHOP I'M THE REAL REBEL EVERY DAMN DAY

It would seem that Pope Benedict lied to us, just like Capitol!

Runnersdialzero is a comic genius. :lol

The type of limbo you refer to is the one where two guys are "Waiting for Godot", right? Well, as we all know, Godot never shows up.

I, on the other hand, am refering to a CD release limbo; release at some yet to be decided date.

It's been delayed WITH A RELEASE DATE (Jan 2013).

I'll give you a secret in all caps, maybe you have trouble reading lower case letters?

NEW BOX NOT CANCELLED. NEW BOX DELAYED.

SMILE BOX NEVER CANCELLED. SMILE BOX DELAYED. SMILE BOX CAME OUT.

Is Leonardo DiCaprio stuck in limbo?

I am well aware of what you were referring to Philip, I was trying to make light of your post which seems to have gone over your head by a large margin.

Here is a picture of the Pope to keep you occupied while you are waiting for the box-set of that band you don't listen anymore.

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See, I'm with you until the last few sentences.  Capitol has seemingly (to you) decided that the market can't absorb the multiple packages.  It may be true, it may not.  As we all should know, the delay (if there is one) could be for any number of reasons. 

You resent Capitol?  Really?  It's just a box set, man.  So a 2012 release date was initially announced, and now there are rumors that the date has been pushed back to mid-January.  If the January rumor is true, you really resent Capitol for missing the mark on thier original announcement by a few days?  Phil.  Listen.  The sun will come out again.   

My Mystic from the East and spiritual adviser, Carnac the Magnificent, divines to me that the outcry from fans
for "WIBNTLA" (which wasn't originally slated for the box set) has forced Capitol Records to find the track and remaster it.

Thus the delay.

Carnac is now on a spiritual retreat in India with Andrew G. Doe in order to divine the eventual release date of the box set.
These messages from the "netherworld" can be slow in coming so Carnac advices all to meditate daily and be patient.

(http://procureinsights.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/carnac.jpg?w=594)

1 & 3, broadly correct. 2, totally wrong. All the 2fers, 1962-1985, are still on catalog and easy enough to pick up on amazon, ebay or download.


You might not know (in fact, by virtue of what you're saying, you patently don't), but a lot of folk do. Additionally, you don't have to be Sherlock holmes to work out the probable truth.


Love the use of the word "obviously" without the least shred of supporting evidence... especially coming from someone who had demonstrated time after time over the past year and more that he has no greater grasp of what's actually happeining here than Sarah Palin has of foreign relations.

The mono/stereo reissues are a niche product, as is the box, ergo there is, in truth, no real overlap as the dedicated fan will purchase both. Or some. Or one. Whatever, no real conflict. The big bucks are in the GH collections - which btw the hard-core will also buy becuase...

1 - it's what we do...

2 - there are some first time stereo remixes.

Lest we forget, Cohen's entire edifice of sackcloth and ashes is built on the exceedingly shaky foundation of one website of dubious provenence and origin saying the box is delayed. Capitol hasn't said word one about any delay, a circumstance which previously invariably reduced Cohen to near-orgasmic fits of indignation. Except when it suits, of course.  ;D And if the box is delayed for a few months ? BFD. So what ? Can't speak for anyone else here, but it's not at the top of my Top 10 life priorities right now. Not even close.

But YOU were the one who insisted that the box set would be released in November, and you belittled those people who doubted your statement.

(http://procureinsights.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/carnac.jpg?w=594)

"Carnac: “WIBNTLA”

Ed: “WIBNTLA”

Carnac: “May Jeff Foskett make a second home in your Smile Sessions box.”

Ed: “HIYOOOO! HO HO HO HO!”

Carnac: “WIBNTLA”

Ed: “WIBNTLA”

Carnac: “What’s the abbreviation for ‘Worrywort Imbeciles Bemoaning Non-Existant Tracklists Like Assholes’?”

Ed: "HIYOOOO! HO HO HO HO!"

Holy sh-

Love ya.

 :deadhorse

Let's wait until 23.59.59 on 11/30/12, shall we ?

Oh, and YOU are the one who insisted that The Smile Sessions would never be released.  ;D

* tEh sMiLe sEsSiOnS~~~

Do we actually know for a fact that the box set has been delayed or are we just going by that website that gave it a January 2013 release date?

I hate to bring this up on another thread, but I feel it is needed here. Again, my fart:

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?mzk6ja36h9r5h1q (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?mzk6ja36h9r5h1q)

Now if everybody would just shut the f*** up and listen to my fart then we would have world peace.

Hey, whatever happened to that Swedish Frog guy, anyway?

I don't care about the delay.

I will use the extra time to study up on the stereo/mono mixes and then go back to re-appreciate In the Key of Disney, which has gotten totally lost in all the excitement.....

Mr.Doe, you've done a fabulous, unfailing job in keeping secrets for your insider pals (who created the Wall of Secrecy). Now we'll see how loyal they are to you. Perhaps, if they really ARE loyal to you, they'll have a change of heart, and release the "Made in California" box set  this year, hence sparing you from humiliation.

If Andrew does have so-called "insider pals," I don't think the release date of a box set should affect their friendship.  :lol

What the hell are you talking about? The wall of secrecy and the "delays/cancelations" are all in your head until a Capitol announcement.

That was a good fart, I presume you've eaten a large helping of red meat recently?

Please get some help mate

Seriously

I was spying on the insiders and what I gathered:

Disc 1: 15 Big Ones sessions
Disc 2: MIU sessions
Disc 3: BB85 sessions
Disc 4: Summer in Paradise sessions
Bonus disc includes Bruce 2012 cover of Wouldn't it Be Nice to Live Again
            and an interview of John Stamos discussing his years with the Beach Boys

Thank you very much. I recently checked out the fact that no fewer than 19 people on this forum have downloaded (and most likely listened to) my fart. Way to go, gang! Here's an encore that really has some "shred" to it:

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I call it "Flappin' The 'Roid".

What John Stebbins said in another thread.

you mean the topic about Brian PS hairdo?