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Quote from: sweetdudejim on November 27, 2010, 04:35:31 PM
Quote from: Jay on October 13, 2010, 01:58:52 AM
Ok, let's recap. There's "Brian's Song", "Rollin' Up To Heaven/Hard Time", and another totally different song called "Hard Times". Then there is a song called "Drip Drop" that's supposedly another early version of "Ding Dang"(I think?), as well as another song called "Drip Drop" that is a Dion cover and has nothing to do with "Ding Dang". Then there was Clangin', which I've heard was another early version of "Ding Dang", and finally the proper version of "Ding Dang" from the Love You album. Then there is "Clang", which apperantly has nothing to do with any of the songs just discussed. I'm surprised that Andrew can remember this stuff. I would have given up long ago, and had myself comitted.
I think it actually goes like this, first there was "Ding Dang" recorded in '73, lyrics with Roger (Jim) McGuinn, this is the version on
Love You
.
Then we got "Brian's Tune" which most people know as "Rollin' Up To Heaven" (don't know where it got that name). That is the "hard time" song, not to be confused with Blondie/Ricky's song "Hard Times".
AGD already commented on "Drip Drop". Theres just one of those.
Then there is "Clangin" which is talked about in a 1976 article, maybe Rolling Stone. That has the "mow-mama-yama" deal in it. Which is used in "Morning Beat". And theres apparently a part of "Clangin" in "Bells of Madness" which I think is recorded with Carnie and Wendy.
"Clang", I have no idea. I think that might just be "Clangin'", but maybe I'm wrong.
"Clang" and "Clangin'" are two entirely different tracks: one is based on the "Pied Piper" riff, the other is the "mow-mama-yama" chant.
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Quote from: Jay on October 13, 2010, 01:58:52 AM
Ok, let's recap. There's "Brian's Song", "Rollin' Up To Heaven/Hard Time", and another totally different song called "Hard Times". Then there is a song called "Drip Drop" that's supposedly another early version of "Ding Dang"(I think?), as well as another song called "Drip Drop" that is a Dion cover and has nothing to do with "Ding Dang". Then there was Clangin', which I've heard was another early version of "Ding Dang", and finally the proper version of "Ding Dang" from the Love You album. Then there is "Clang", which apperantly has nothing to do with any of the songs just discussed. I'm surprised that Andrew can remember this stuff. I would have given up long ago, and had myself comitted.
I think it actually goes like this, first there was "Ding Dang" recorded in '73, lyrics with Roger (Jim) McGuinn, this is the version on
Love You
.
Then we got "Brian's Tune" which most people know as "Rollin' Up To Heaven" (don't know where it got that name). That is the "hard time" song, not to be confused with Blondie/Ricky's song "Hard Times".
AGD already commented on "Drip Drop". Theres just one of those.
Then there is "Clangin" which is talked about in a 1976 article, maybe Rolling Stone. That has the "mow-mama-yama" deal in it. Which is used in "Morning Beat". And theres apparently a part of "Clangin" in "Bells of Madness" which I think is recorded with Carnie and Wendy.
"Clang", I have no idea. I think that might just be "Clangin'", but maybe I'm wrong.
"Clang" and "Clangin'" are two entirely different tracks: one is based on the "Pied Piper" riff, the other is the "mow-mama-yama" chant.
Thank you for your help Andrew. However, I suggest updating your site to confirm this fact. Because I was going by your info on there.
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Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on November 28, 2010, 01:06:49 AM
Quote from: sweetdudejim on November 27, 2010, 04:35:31 PM
Quote from: Jay on October 13, 2010, 01:58:52 AM
Ok, let's recap. There's "Brian's Song", "Rollin' Up To Heaven/Hard Time", and another totally different song called "Hard Times". Then there is a song called "Drip Drop" that's supposedly another early version of "Ding Dang"(I think?), as well as another song called "Drip Drop" that is a Dion cover and has nothing to do with "Ding Dang". Then there was Clangin', which I've heard was another early version of "Ding Dang", and finally the proper version of "Ding Dang" from the Love You album. Then there is "Clang", which apperantly has nothing to do with any of the songs just discussed. I'm surprised that Andrew can remember this stuff. I would have given up long ago, and had myself comitted.
I think it actually goes like this, first there was "Ding Dang" recorded in '73, lyrics with Roger (Jim) McGuinn, this is the version on
Love You
.
Then we got "Brian's Tune" which most people know as "Rollin' Up To Heaven" (don't know where it got that name). That is the "hard time" song, not to be confused with Blondie/Ricky's song "Hard Times".
AGD already commented on "Drip Drop". Theres just one of those.
Then there is "Clangin" which is talked about in a 1976 article, maybe Rolling Stone. That has the "mow-mama-yama" deal in it. Which is used in "Morning Beat". And theres apparently a part of "Clangin" in "Bells of Madness" which I think is recorded with Carnie and Wendy.
"Clang", I have no idea. I think that might just be "Clangin'", but maybe I'm wrong.
"Clang" and "Clangin'" are two entirely different tracks: one is based on the "Pied Piper" riff, the other is the "mow-mama-yama" chant.
Thank you for your help Andrew. However, I suggest updating your site to confirm this fact. Because I was going by your info on there.
No probs - tell me which page and I'll effect the change. Gotta remember, some of that stuff is coming up for ten years old.
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Quote from: Jay on October 13, 2010, 01:58:52 AM
Ok, let's recap. There's "Brian's Song", "Rollin' Up To Heaven/Hard Time", and another totally different song called "Hard Times". Then there is a song called "Drip Drop" that's supposedly another early version of "Ding Dang"(I think?), as well as another song called "Drip Drop" that is a Dion cover and has nothing to do with "Ding Dang". Then there was Clangin', which I've heard was another early version of "Ding Dang", and finally the proper version of "Ding Dang" from the Love You album. Then there is "Clang", which apperantly has nothing to do with any of the songs just discussed. I'm surprised that Andrew can remember this stuff. I would have given up long ago, and had myself comitted.
I think it actually goes like this, first there was "Ding Dang" recorded in '73, lyrics with Roger (Jim) McGuinn, this is the version on
Love You
.
Then we got "Brian's Tune" which most people know as "Rollin' Up To Heaven" (don't know where it got that name). That is the "hard time" song, not to be confused with Blondie/Ricky's song "Hard Times".
AGD already commented on "Drip Drop". Theres just one of those.
Then there is "Clangin" which is talked about in a 1976 article, maybe Rolling Stone. That has the "mow-mama-yama" deal in it. Which is used in "Morning Beat". And theres apparently a part of "Clangin" in "Bells of Madness" which I think is recorded with Carnie and Wendy.
"Clang", I have no idea. I think that might just be "Clangin'", but maybe I'm wrong.
Actually, it's "Clang" that has the "Mow-mama-yama" bit, as described in the 1976 Rolling Stone cover story on Brian (not "Clangin'"). The group sings it during a press conference, and when asked what it's called, Brian replies "'Clang'".
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Is "Clang" or "Clangin'" out there? If so, is it on a boot or available via PM?
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Clang and Clangin' don't circulate.
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Getting back to the subject of this thread for a minute, the AFM contract for the "Drip Drop" basic track session is interesting: the artist is listed as "The Beach Boys (BW)", it was paid for by "CBS (Caribou)" and signed for by Bruce Johnston...all of which indicates it was clearly intended for the "Light Album", rather than some other Brian-produced artist or project. The players were Scott Grusin (guitars, including one double), Earl Palmer (drums), and Ray Pohlman (bass). It was recorded at Western with Chuck engineering.
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Getting back to the subject of this thread for a minute, the AFM contract for the "Drip Drop" basic track session is interesting: the artist is listed as "The Beach Boys (BW)", it was paid for by "CBS (Caribou)" and signed for by Bruce Johnston...all of which indicates it was clearly intended for the "Light Album", rather than some other Brian-produced artist or project. The players were Scott Grusin (guitars, including one double), Earl Palmer (drums), and Ray Pohlman (bass). It was recorded at Western with Chuck engineering.
Ah, to have seen Chuck's face when Brian hit full stride in the chorus !
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The bump 'n grind of Here Comes The Night segueing into the pornographic pomp of Drip Drop...it would be the Beach Boys' version of Over-nite Sensation.
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Getting back to the subject of this thread for a minute, the AFM contract for the "Drip Drop" basic track session is interesting: the artist is listed as "The Beach Boys (BW)", it was paid for by "CBS (Caribou)" and signed for by Bruce Johnston...all of which indicates it was clearly intended for the "Light Album", rather than some other Brian-produced artist or project. The players were Scott Grusin (guitars, including one double), Earl Palmer (drums), and Ray Pohlman (bass). It was recorded at Western with Chuck engineering.
Ah, to have seen Chuck's face when Brian hit full stride in the chorus !
One of the ultimate 'fly on the wall' moments.
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The bump 'n grind of Here Comes The Night segueing into the pornographic pomp of Drip Drop...it would be the Beach Boys' version of Over-nite Sensation.
If they would've included Brian's version of "Drip Drop" and the remade version of Dennis' "Time For Bed" *, it could have been a VERY different album than what it was!
* - "Time For Bed" was recut, especially for "L.A. Light", in a session at Cherokee Studios: co-produced by Bruce & Guercio, with Chuck engineering, Russ Kunkel on drums, Phil Shenale on tack piano, Billy Joe Walker Jr. on slide guitar, Carl on guitar & bass, and presumably Dennis on piano.
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Quote from: sweetdudejim on November 28, 2010, 02:37:05 AM
Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on November 28, 2010, 01:06:49 AM
Quote from: sweetdudejim on November 27, 2010, 04:35:31 PM
Quote from: Jay on October 13, 2010, 01:58:52 AM
Ok, let's recap. There's "Brian's Song", "Rollin' Up To Heaven/Hard Time", and another totally different song called "Hard Times". Then there is a song called "Drip Drop" that's supposedly another early version of "Ding Dang"(I think?), as well as another song called "Drip Drop" that is a Dion cover and has nothing to do with "Ding Dang". Then there was Clangin', which I've heard was another early version of "Ding Dang", and finally the proper version of "Ding Dang" from the Love You album. Then there is "Clang", which apperantly has nothing to do with any of the songs just discussed. I'm surprised that Andrew can remember this stuff. I would have given up long ago, and had myself comitted.
I think it actually goes like this, first there was "Ding Dang" recorded in '73, lyrics with Roger (Jim) McGuinn, this is the version on
Love You
.
Then we got "Brian's Tune" which most people know as "Rollin' Up To Heaven" (don't know where it got that name). That is the "hard time" song, not to be confused with Blondie/Ricky's song "Hard Times".
AGD already commented on "Drip Drop". Theres just one of those.
Then there is "Clangin" which is talked about in a 1976 article, maybe Rolling Stone. That has the "mow-mama-yama" deal in it. Which is used in "Morning Beat". And theres apparently a part of "Clangin" in "Bells of Madness" which I think is recorded with Carnie and Wendy.
"Clang", I have no idea. I think that might just be "Clangin'", but maybe I'm wrong.
"Clang" and "Clangin'" are two entirely different tracks: one is based on the "Pied Piper" riff, the other is the "mow-mama-yama" chant.
Thank you for your help Andrew. However, I suggest updating your site to confirm this fact. Because I was going by your info on there.
No probs - tell me which page and I'll effect the change. Gotta remember, some of that stuff is coming up for ten years old.
Really? I thought when you moved to the ESQ servers, you would have updates , or at least checked, all the parts of the site
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Quote from: Jay on October 13, 2010, 01:58:52 AM
Ok, let's recap. There's "Brian's Song", "Rollin' Up To Heaven/Hard Time", and another totally different song called "Hard Times". Then there is a song called "Drip Drop" that's supposedly another early version of "Ding Dang"(I think?), as well as another song called "Drip Drop" that is a Dion cover and has nothing to do with "Ding Dang". Then there was Clangin', which I've heard was another early version of "Ding Dang", and finally the proper version of "Ding Dang" from the Love You album. Then there is "Clang", which apperantly has nothing to do with any of the songs just discussed. I'm surprised that Andrew can remember this stuff. I would have given up long ago, and had myself comitted.
I think it actually goes like this, first there was "Ding Dang" recorded in '73, lyrics with Roger (Jim) McGuinn, this is the version on
Love You
.
Then we got "Brian's Tune" which most people know as "Rollin' Up To Heaven" (don't know where it got that name). That is the "hard time" song, not to be confused with Blondie/Ricky's song "Hard Times".
AGD already commented on "Drip Drop". Theres just one of those.
Then there is "Clangin" which is talked about in a 1976 article, maybe Rolling Stone. That has the "mow-mama-yama" deal in it. Which is used in "Morning Beat". And theres apparently a part of "Clangin" in "Bells of Madness" which I think is recorded with Carnie and Wendy.
"Clang", I have no idea. I think that might just be "Clangin'", but maybe I'm wrong.
"Clang" and "Clangin'" are two entirely different tracks: one is based on the "Pied Piper" riff, the other is the "mow-mama-yama" chant.
Thank you for your help Andrew. However, I suggest updating your site to confirm this fact. Because I was going by your info on there.
No probs - tell me which page and I'll effect the change. Gotta remember, some of that stuff is coming up for ten years old.
Really? I thought when you moved to the ESQ servers, you would have updates , or at least checked, all the parts of the site
The gigs are updated pretty much weekly, the timeline/discogs when something happens. Otherwise, when and as.
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Clang" and "Clangin'" are two entirely different tracks: one is based on the "Pied Piper" riff, the other is the "mow-mama-yama" chant.
How many cuts WERE based on the PP riff? There's that and Lazy Lizzie that I know of.
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Clang" and "Clangin'" are two entirely different tracks: one is based on the "Pied Piper" riff, the other is the "mow-mama-yama" chant.
How many cuts WERE based on the PP riff? There's that and Lazy Lizzie that I know of.
Actually I think "Lazy Lizzie"is from "Better Get Back In Bed".
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Ok, let's recap. There's "Brian's Song", "Rollin' Up To Heaven/Hard Time", and another totally different song called "Hard Times". Then there is a song called "Drip Drop" that's supposedly another early version of "Ding Dang"(I think?), as well as another song called "Drip Drop" that is a Dion cover and has nothing to do with "Ding Dang". Then there was Clangin', which I've heard was another early version of "Ding Dang", and finally the proper version of "Ding Dang" from the Love You album. Then there is "Clang", which apperantly has nothing to do with any of the songs just discussed. I'm surprised that Andrew can remember this stuff. I would have given up long ago, and had myself comitted.
I think it actually goes like this, first there was "Ding Dang" recorded in '73, lyrics with Roger (Jim) McGuinn, this is the version on
Love You
.
Then we got "Brian's Tune" which most people know as "Rollin' Up To Heaven" (don't know where it got that name). That is the "hard time" song, not to be confused with Blondie/Ricky's song "Hard Times".
AGD already commented on "Drip Drop". Theres just one of those.
Then there is "Clangin" which is talked about in a 1976 article, maybe Rolling Stone. That has the "mow-mama-yama" deal in it. Which is used in "Morning Beat". And theres apparently a part of "Clangin" in "Bells of Madness" which I think is recorded with Carnie and Wendy.
"Clang", I have no idea. I think that might just be "Clangin'", but maybe I'm wrong.
"Clang" and "Clangin'" are two entirely different tracks: one is based on the "Pied Piper" riff, the other is the "mow-mama-yama" chant.
Thank you for your help Andrew. However, I suggest updating your site to confirm this fact. Because I was going by your info on there.
No probs - tell me which page and I'll effect the change. Gotta remember, some of that stuff is coming up for ten years old.
You need to add "Clang" to the unreleased songs section. I also see you have a Wilson/Sandler session listed in '73 for "Baby I Need Your Lovin'"/"I'm A Man", but I'm pretty sure its actually "Baby I Need Your Lovin'"/"Gimme Some Lovin'". Although you also have a session listed for Wilson/Sandler doing "Gimme Some Lovin'" in '72 too. I don't know if they worked on it twice, or if I'm mixed up. Just trying to help ya.
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I can't see "Teardrops In My Bed/Drip Drop" being on ANY Beach Boys album. Or a Brian solo album either. Better that it remains in the can.
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Actually I think "Lazy Lizzie"is from "Better Get Back In Bed".
Herp derp.
Actually, I meant recycled music from the fairy tale itself, but I had a brain fart -_-
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I can't see "Teardrops In My Bed/Drip Drop" being on ANY Beach Boys album.
No, I say let Rick Rubin remix it and release it as the anniversary single. The new album of unreleased BBs oldies will be called Birthday Cake, and instead of calling the songs tracks, they'll go by slice 1, slice 2, and etc.
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They can add the backing vocals that I keep thinking I'm hearing on the track for the release too. Mike and Al can lend some oohs and ahhs to the occasion; it will be a most marvellous reunion!
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Ok, let's recap. There's "Brian's Song", "Rollin' Up To Heaven/Hard Time", and another totally different song called "Hard Times". Then there is a song called "Drip Drop" that's supposedly another early version of "Ding Dang"(I think?), as well as another song called "Drip Drop" that is a Dion cover and has nothing to do with "Ding Dang". Then there was Clangin', which I've heard was another early version of "Ding Dang", and finally the proper version of "Ding Dang" from the Love You album. Then there is "Clang", which apperantly has nothing to do with any of the songs just discussed. I'm surprised that Andrew can remember this stuff. I would have given up long ago, and had myself comitted.
I think it actually goes like this, first there was "Ding Dang" recorded in '73, lyrics with Roger (Jim) McGuinn, this is the version on
Love You
.
Then we got "Brian's Tune" which most people know as "Rollin' Up To Heaven" (don't know where it got that name). That is the "hard time" song, not to be confused with Blondie/Ricky's song "Hard Times".
AGD already commented on "Drip Drop". Theres just one of those.
Then there is "Clangin" which is talked about in a 1976 article, maybe Rolling Stone. That has the "mow-mama-yama" deal in it. Which is used in "Morning Beat". And theres apparently a part of "Clangin" in "Bells of Madness" which I think is recorded with Carnie and Wendy.
"Clang", I have no idea. I think that might just be "Clangin'", but maybe I'm wrong.
"Clang" and "Clangin'" are two entirely different tracks: one is based on the "Pied Piper" riff, the other is the "mow-mama-yama" chant.
Thank you for your help Andrew. However, I suggest updating your site to confirm this fact. Because I was going by your info on there.
No probs - tell me which page and I'll effect the change. Gotta remember, some of that stuff is coming up for ten years old.
Really? I thought when you moved to the ESQ servers, you would have updates , or at least checked, all the parts of the site
The gigs are updated pretty much weekly, the timeline/discogs when something happens. Otherwise, when and as.
Bloody hell AGD, how am I supposed to write my own definitive, authoritative, absolute-last-word on the BBs – all my own work, thank you ma'am – if you keep updating the primary source material. Just get it finished and let me earn my hard-won, honestly earned royalties. Don't think you're getting a credit when all-my-own-work does come out, you saucy so-and-so.
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I can't see "Teardrops In My Bed/Drip Drop" being on ANY Beach Boys album.
No, I say let Rick Rubin remix it and release it as the anniversary single. The new album of unreleased BBs oldies will be called Birthday Cake, and instead of calling the songs tracks, they'll go by slice 1, slice 2, and etc.
I'm loving this idea.
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I think there should be a deal with the company so the album of unreleased slices of Beach Boys sweets can be called Marie Calendar's in honour of Brian's fave joint.
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[/b]Need to hear this badly.
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I really need to hear Drip Drop. PM?
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