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« Reply #25 on: May 18, 2007, 12:22:58 PM »

Do we know what date the photo shoot at the San Diego Zoo took place?  I always assumed they included the animals because of the title "Pet Sounds", but that 1966 quote from Brian indicates that they had the photo first, THEN the title...



According to the zoo's photo services, it was on Feb. 15, 1966.
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« Reply #26 on: May 18, 2007, 12:29:30 PM »

I thought Here Today was Good, Good,Good vibrations...
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« Reply #27 on: May 18, 2007, 03:08:19 PM »

Big deal... There are just two things about Pet Sounds that aren't brilliant: the title and the album cover.


I like the title and it was Mikes best IMO. Sure beats the "Looking Back With Love" and "Make Love Not War" genre.

yeah, its hard to believe some of these things came from the same person.
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« Reply #28 on: May 19, 2007, 08:42:22 PM »

I thought Here Today was Good, Good,Good vibrations...

Nope...Brad Elliott once speculated on that because the master # used for the first "Good Vibes" sesson (February 17-18) was 55680.  That master # was later reassigned to "Here Today" and "Good Vibes" was ultimately given a new master # (55949) at its next session (in April).
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« Reply #29 on: May 19, 2007, 09:01:13 PM »

Big deal... There are just two things about Pet Sounds that aren't brilliant: the title and the album cover.


I like the title and it was Mikes best IMO. Sure beats the "Looking Back With Love" and "Make Love Not War" genre.

yeah, its hard to believe some of these things came from the same person.

Didn't Mike also come up with the title for Endless Summer?
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« Reply #30 on: May 20, 2007, 12:49:19 AM »

Big deal... There are just two things about Pet Sounds that aren't brilliant: the title and the album cover.


I like the title and it was Mikes best IMO. Sure beats the "Looking Back With Love" and "Make Love Not War" genre.

yeah, its hard to believe some of these things came from the same person.

Didn't Mike also come up with the title for Endless Summer?

Nope Endless Summer was the title of a Surf movie by the film's writer and director, Bruce Brown.
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« Reply #31 on: May 20, 2007, 12:53:26 AM »

No Mike did give Capitol the title which he probably borrowed from the movie.
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« Reply #32 on: May 20, 2007, 09:29:13 AM »

Yes, as MBE said, its been documented for decades(again) that Mike suggested Endless Summer to Capitol as the title for that LP. That is like one of the oldest constantly noted BB's factoids around....the oldies DJs pull that out every other week along with Dean Torrence sang on Barbara Ann and the striped shirts came from the Kingston Trio, oh yeah and that pesky 'theramin" being the sound from "spooky Movies" . Any other factoid faves?

Oh, and someone asks a question about the title of Pet Sounds, a few people nicely answer it, and then a guy comes on the board and says "so what? Mike came up with that title...big deal!" ...Nice.
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« Reply #33 on: May 20, 2007, 10:34:27 AM »

So if the photo session took place Feb. 15, we have to assume Mike had already come up with the title, probably only a day or two before.  The March memo about RJR being renamed Pet Sounds would come next, as Brian would see the attraction of having a track with the same name as the album, then Here Today is recorded March 11th . . . and maybe because there was no title yet, the album it was intended for was used as a stopgap title?
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« Reply #34 on: May 20, 2007, 12:41:01 PM »

How confusing. Was the working title at the time of the photo shoot "Remember The Zoo?"
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« Reply #35 on: May 20, 2007, 01:27:17 PM »

No Mike did give Capitol the title which he probably borrowed from the movie.


But did he have permission your honor? police
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« Reply #36 on: May 20, 2007, 04:45:21 PM »

No Mike did give Capitol the title which he probably borrowed from the movie.

Thats basically what I was getting at.  Tongue
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« Reply #37 on: May 20, 2007, 06:49:26 PM »

No Mike did give Capitol the title which he probably borrowed from the movie.

Thats basically what I was getting at.  Tongue

The movie of course was THE Endless Summer, while the LP was just Endless Summer...wonder if that was part of Mike's evil plan?
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« Reply #38 on: May 20, 2007, 08:34:11 PM »

One other thing on this Pet Sounds/goats theme...

I am aware that some youngsters who live on farms have goats as pets. They usually end up showing them at county fairs. But...

What made them/Mike associate "pet" with a bunch of goats? I could see if the guys were posing with cats, dogs, or even horses. But goats? As pets?

And why goats? When I think of going to a zoo, goats are not animals that come to mind. Of all the zoo animals they could've posed with? Do I sound like Andy Rooney? Did you ever wonder why.. police
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« Reply #39 on: May 20, 2007, 09:00:32 PM »

I think it is a cool cover.  I always thought the Remember The Zoo title was only around for a very brief period, but that would make a little sense. Pet Sounds is a good title though it's clever and mysterious.
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« Reply #40 on: May 21, 2007, 09:26:55 AM »

The date of the appearance of the title "Pet Sounds" seem sort of swimmy compared to Brian's claim the tracks were done but maybe he meant it in a way I'm not taking it or he just slipped his memory on how done the tracks were when Mike came up with the title when he gave the quote months later. Or maybe I'm confused.
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« Reply #41 on: May 21, 2007, 10:40:01 AM »

"One other thing on this Pet Sounds/goats theme...

I am aware that some youngsters who live on farms have goats as pets. They usually end up showing them at county fairs. But...

What made them/Mike associate "pet" with a bunch of goats? I could see if the guys were posing with cats, dogs, or even horses. But goats? As pets?

And why goats? When I think of going to a zoo, goats are not animals that come to mind. Of all the zoo animals they could've posed with? Do I sound like Andy Rooney? Did you ever wonder why..  "

Petting zoo, maybe.
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« Reply #42 on: May 21, 2007, 10:43:57 AM »

Brian (in 1966) said the cover was all done before the title was thought up by Mike, right?
Maybe the zoo photo shoot occurred when the title was still going to be "Remember The Zoo".
But it still worked once the title was changed to "Pet Sounds".
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« Reply #43 on: May 21, 2007, 11:58:32 AM »

Just out of curiosity, where and when did this 'Remember the Zoo' title surface?  What's the story?  The only things I have heard is that this was either a working title for Pet Sounds, or that it was the rumored title for an unreleased album.  Thanks.
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« Reply #44 on: May 21, 2007, 12:02:57 PM »

Didn't "Pet Sounds" also originate with Banana and Louie barking at the end of the album, per Mike?  They qualify as pets.  Maybe a combination of animal photos and the B & L barking?
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« Reply #45 on: May 21, 2007, 01:07:08 PM »

Didn't "Pet Sounds" also originate with Banana and Louie barking at the end of the album, per Mike?  They qualify as pets.

Yeah, that's what I always thought. And that story about Mike calling Brian "dog ears" because of the sounds he (Brian) heard that only a dog could hear...
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« Reply #46 on: May 21, 2007, 03:38:24 PM »

Just out of curiosity, where and when did this 'Remember the Zoo' title surface?  What's the story?  The only things I have heard is that this was either a working title for Pet Sounds, or that it was the rumored title for an unreleased album.  Thanks.

The earliest I could remember hearing that title was around 1994, in the pages of "Beach Boys Australia".  So I went back into the archives and found the April 1994 issue and an article therein by Dwight Cavanagh, titled "Remember The Zoo? The Pet Sounds Sessions and Anecdotes".  He doesn't say much about it other than that that was the title for the album while it was being recorded, but it finally emerged as "Pet Sounds".  I think there's an earlier reference in the pages of "BBA", so I'll keep looking, unless someone beats me to it or provides info that renders my looking null.
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« Reply #47 on: May 21, 2007, 04:35:29 PM »


http://www.earcandymag.com/rrcase-rememberzoo.htm



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Rock 'N Roll Case Study: REMEMBER THE ZOO? – Rare Beach Boys album or hoax?
Whilst reading the book, SMiLE, SUN, SAND & PET SOUNDS for review in this issue, I came across two articles which mentioned a “rare” Beach Boys album which was never issued. No, I’m not talking about SMiLE, but rather REMEMBER THE ZOO? which supposedly evolved into the PET SOUNDS album. I was curious; why had I NEVER heard this title mentioned in any of the many Beach Boys biographies that adorn my shelf? Especially with the release of the Pet Sounds box set and the renewed interest in the album, REMEMBER THE ZOO? get NO mention. I searched the internet, only finding two references to this “album”. One was in the article MEMOIRS OF A 3-YEAR OLD ROCK AND ROLL WRITER-HOW I CAME TO MEET BRIAN WILSON AND WHAT HAPPENED by Robert S. Levinson. The other was in a description of the PET SOUNDS album at www.mountvernonandfairway.de, which pretty much rehashed everything in the SMiLE, SUN, SAND & PET SOUNDS article, but curiously added that an album cover was designed for REMEMBER THE ZOO? showing Brian’s two dogs Banana and Louie.

Stephen J. McParland graciously granted me permission to reprint the REMEMBER THE ZOO? article in its entirety. I’ve followed the original article by an analysis by me.




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THE CORRECT PERSPECTIVE REMEMBERS THE ZOO
An excerpt from the book "SMiLE, SUN, SAND & PET SOUNDS"
compiled by Stephen J. McParland © 1998

 

Right: NO, this is not the cover of the so-called "lost" REMEMBER THE ZOO? It is just a parody.

I must admit that I was very impressed by the treatise on the PET SOUNDS project by Dwight Cavanaugh. All those great musicians and friends. However, the use of the title REMEMBER THE ZOO caught me a little unawares because I understood that to be the title of another project of Brian’s that I was privy to.

The fact is, Brian actually recorded the basic backing tracks that surfaced on PET SOUNDS for an album that WAS to be called REMEMBER THE ZOO? Many of the songs scheduled for inclusion on this album did not appear on PET SOUNDS at all, and those that did were changed so drastically that they were hardly recognisable.

Before I go into details concerning some of the songs I remember, I must mention that Tony Asher had absolutely no involvement at all with REMEMBER THE ZOO?

What happened was that after Brian finished the tracks and vocals (all his), he became unhappy with the lyrics (all his). Therefore, he reworked the backing tracks, altering them constantly until he was satisfied and happy with the “adult” feel of the music. Then he called upon Tony to help him lyrically. Some of those altered songs resurfaced on PET SOUNDS, some were utilised in the lead up to Brian’s SMiLE project, and some remain to this day unused.

The concept that became REMEMBER THE ZOO? surfaced as early as late 1964 during the TODAY sessions; particularly the ballads that fleshed out side two. In fact, the song In The Back Of My Mind that found its way onto the TODAY album, was not intended to appear on that album at all. It was going to be shelved and utilised (in a very much altered form) for REMEMBER THE ZOO? Similarly, Let Him Run Wild (off SUMMER DAYS), The Little Girl I Once Knew, Trombone Dixie, Pet Sounds and I’m Waiting For The Day were all scheduled for inclusion on REMEMBER THE ZOO?

Actually, I’m Waiting For The Day was first conceived during the TODAY sessions and kept by Brian. It was then altered for REMEMBER THE ZOO? and changed again for PET SOUNDS.


 The same was true with the song In My Childhood that eventually became You Still Believe In Me. It was originally earmarked to appear on REMEMBER THE ZOO?, as was the tune I’m In Great Shape, which Brian also called Friday Night. An early version was recorded late in 1965 with Little Girl I Once Knew. Both songs were similarly uptempo and featured a carnival organ accompaniment. Neither recording has seen the light of day since, although part of I’m in Great Shape did finally evolve into an almost completely different song that was used as the B-side of Brian’s Love And Mercy solo single of some years ago. Lindsey Buckingham provided the new lyrics.

Another REMEMBER THE ZOO? song was a crazy thing called Teeter-Totter Love that Brian later re-recorded with some elderly gent called Jasper. I can’t remember his last name. I only met him once. I think he was a photographer.

The majority of the material for REMEMBER THE ZOO? was recorded during and just after the PARTY album sessions. For those of you who thought that PET SOUNDS was the “link” album to SMiLE; I’m sorry, because you have been mislead. To my knowledge, REMEMBER THE ZOO? was to be issued on the heels of the PARTY set, with the first single being The Little Girl I Once Knew. IT was really the link album to PET SOUNDS.

I still believe that if Brian had released REMEMBER THE ZOO? in between the PARTY album and PET SOUNDS, PET SOUNDS would have been accepted more readily by the public and fans alike as a natural musical progression.

Because REMEMBER THE ZOO? had a commercial feel to it halfway between SUMMER DAYS and PET SOUNDS, in my opinion (and Brian’s at the time) it would have been a high chart album. The Little Girl I Once Knew was a great example of the type of musical energy the album contained.

As I mentioned earlier, the reason Brian shelved the album was not so much musically, but he wanted a more “adult” theme woven lyrically throughout the songs. As a result, he re-worked many of the tracks, adding new songs, and deleting others. Then he called in Tony Asher to transfer his thoughts to music for the final visualisation of PET SOUNDS.

The track listing of songs (to the best of my recollection) for REMEMBER THE ZOO? included In the Back Of My Mind; Let Him Run Wild; Summer Means New Love (aka Heartbeat); The Little Girl I Once Knew; Trombone Dixie (complete with Brian’s lyrics); In My Childhood (aka You Still Believe In Me); Pet Sounds (complete with Brian’s lyrics); I’m waiting For The Day; I’m In Great Shape (aka Friday Night); Teeter-Totter Love; Tones (the only instrumental of the set) and Remember the Zoo?

Originally, the title track was envisioned as the odd/strange song to end the album, and it was extremely weird for its time in much the same way as Tomorrow Never Knows was the weird closer on the Beatles’ REVOLVER album.

As a song, Remember the Zoo? had a very melancholy feeling to it and featured many different animal noises in the backing track. These had been tape-looped and played backwards. There was a version without any animal noises.

If REMEMBER THE ZOO? as a concept had been released as hoped in early 1966, PET SOUNDS, I am sure, would have been more easily accepted, because REMEMBER THE ZOO? rolled the commercial productions of SUMMER DAYS, the fun of PARTY, and the advanced production found on PET SOUNDS, all together into one unusual, but commercially sounding album. So there you have it.





ANALYSIS

My belief that REMEMBER THE ZOO? is a hoax, results from three questions:

1. Why the anonymous author?
The first thing that set off the hoax-warning alarms was the author of this piece. It is simply credited to “The Correct Perspective”. I asked Stephen McParland (the compiler of the book SMiLE, SUN, SAND & PET SOUNDS) about the identity of the author of this piece. He told me that the “The Correct Perspective” was an individual who used to send in articles and that the letters were postmarked Los Angeles, but he never did find out who it was.

SMiLE fanatics who frequent the Smile Shop Message Board might remember an anonymous poster who went by the moniker the “Bellagio Insider”. The “insider” knew enough facts to pull the wool over everybody’s eyes for a brief period, claiming to have been part of Brian Wilson’s entourage during the recording of SMiLE. He was very convincing and spread bogus information about the SMiLE album.

2. Why is there NO mention of this “lost” album in any of the hardcopy books on the Beach Boys?
Sure, I found a couple of mentions of this album on the internet, but we all know how reliable the internet is?! However, other than a mention in SMiLE, SUN, SAND & PET SOUNDS, I found NO other mention of this title in any of the Brian Wilson/Beach Boys books in my collection. My personal opinion is that “The Correct Perspective” read about REMEMBER THE ZOO? in the article: MEMOIRS OF A 3-YEAR OLD ROCK AND ROLL WRITER-HOW I CAME TO MEET BRIAN WILSON AND WHAT HAPPENED by Robert S. Levinson. He/she then used an active imagination to “create” a “lost” album of the Beach Boys.

Rumors of this kind were once rampant in the Beatles bootleg circles. At one time the 1967 parody song, “The L.S. Bumblebee” was erroneously credited to John Lennon, the rumor went on to claim that it was a “lost” Sgt. Pepper out-take. Another rumor had the last song that the Beatles recorded as being the 1970 tune, “Have You Heard The Word?” with the Beatles and the Bee Gees (no less) collaborating on this song! Both of these show how a little rumor can spread to being a so-called “fact”.

3. Why do the recording dates of the songs not match up with the claims?
Although I’m a novice when it comes to Beach Boys session logs, it is not too hard to see that the claims of this article do not stand up to a simple timeline. It is a documented fact that Peter Asher joined the PET SOUNDS project in mid-autumn of 1965. However, the session logs say that basically only Sloop John B had been recorded (instrumentally in July of 1965) before Asher came on board. Trombone Dixie and Pet Sounds (aka Run James Run) were first recorded in November of 1965. In My Childhood (aka You Still Believe In Me) wasn’t recorded until January of 1966. Additionally, three of the songs in the so-called album lineup were SMiLE era recordings, dating from late 1966 to early 1967. [I’m In Great Shape (Oct 17, 1966); I’m In Great Shape/Friday Night (Nov 29, 1966); Teeter-Totter Love (Jan 25, 1967; Feb 12, 1967); Tones (Mar 13 & 15, 1967)] If these were all re-recordings, where are the session logs for the originals? The anonymous author simply states that Brian, “re-worked many of the tracks, adding new songs, and deleting others.” How convenient, but where are the facts? Also, what about the claimed song, Remember the Zoo? Again, there seems to be NO hard evidence to support any of these claims.

With these three questions in mind, this article about REMEMBER THE ZOO? can only be regarded as a fictional flight of fancy. Sure, it is interesting in a "fan-fiction" sort of way, but it should not be passed off as FACT!






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Credits and Sources:
A special thanks to Stephen McParland for granting us permission to reprint excerpts from his book, SMiLE, SUN, SAND & PET SOUNDS!


The article, MEMOIRS OF A 3-YEAR OLD ROCK AND ROLL WRITER-HOW I CAME TO MEET BRIAN WILSON AND WHAT HAPPENED, by Robert S. Levinson:






 
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« Reply #48 on: May 21, 2007, 07:59:38 PM »

Remember the Zoo has been known as a hoax for years - there was no such animal (or animals)!
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« Reply #49 on: May 21, 2007, 10:28:28 PM »

Found the Levinson article and my guess is that Brian had the title briefly, of course it was just a short lived working title for the Pet Sounds LP we know and love.
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