The Smiley Smile Message Board
Welcome,
Guest
. Please
login
or
register
.
1 Hour
1 Day
1 Week
1 Month
Forever
Login with username, password and session length
If you like this message board, please help with the hosting costs!
680955
Posts in
27623
Topics by
4067
Members - Latest Member:
Dae Lims
May 09, 2024, 11:28:04 PM
The Smiley Smile Message Board
|
Smiley Smile Stuff
|
General On Topic Discussions
|
Proposed 'Bootleg' page for unreleased material
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
« previous
next »
Pages:
[
1
]
Author
Topic: Proposed 'Bootleg' page for unreleased material (Read 2966 times)
PetSmile
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 115
Proposed 'Bootleg' page for unreleased material
«
on:
October 22, 2016, 12:46:50 PM »
Could a Bootleg service quite alike beachboyscentral.com not be reintroduced as a means to release uncommercial material more efficiently?
«
Last Edit: May 25, 2017, 01:34:26 PM by PetSmile
»
Logged
"Join the young and often spring you gave" - Surf's Up (BW/VDP)
The_Beach
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 430
Re: Proposed 'Bootleg' page for BBs
«
Reply #1 on:
October 22, 2016, 01:40:12 PM »
I Love that idea!!!! lets do it!
Logged
NateRuvin
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 924
"I had to prove that I could make it alone"...
Re: Proposed 'Bootleg' page for BBs
«
Reply #2 on:
October 22, 2016, 04:19:37 PM »
That sounds amazing!
Logged
MarkJason
Smiley Smile Newbie
Offline
Posts: 6
Re: Proposed 'Bootleg' page for unreleased material
«
Reply #3 on:
October 23, 2016, 04:28:02 PM »
Great idea. Hope to see it online in 2017!
Logged
wingsoveramerica
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 60
Re: Proposed 'Bootleg' page for unreleased material
«
Reply #4 on:
October 23, 2016, 05:02:25 PM »
This is a great idea!
Logged
Jon G.
The Old Master Painter
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 284
There's no outdoing The Beatles
Re: Proposed 'Bootleg' page for unreleased material
«
Reply #5 on:
October 24, 2016, 06:30:11 PM »
Let's make it happen! Give us fans what we want!
Logged
Kid Presentable
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 287
Re: Proposed 'Bootleg' page for unreleased material
«
Reply #6 on:
October 24, 2016, 11:41:36 PM »
Quote from: PetSmile on October 22, 2016, 12:46:50 PM
BRI and Capitol have officially released a lot of the more obscure material on 'Made in California', the 'Good Vibrations Box Set' etc. without much reception. I think they feel a lack of commercial incentive in releasing the Brother Reissues: Bonus Tracks, Cows in the Pasture, Lei'd in Hawaii etc.
I would like to discuss the possibility, and in turn feasibility of an official 'Bootlegs page' dedicated to the fans, like this:
http://massiveattack.ie/bootlegs/
. It would be an appropriate solution as the Box sets are superfluous and inefficient.
If it is not approved due to commercial reasons, then might I add that it could potentially be monetised. It would be in the interest of everybody, but most importantly, the music. All the unreleased music deemed worthy of an official release could be dumped on here. It solves every conceivable problem that the fans; and the people in charge have about this music lying in the can. The latter would no longer have to sit on all this material. Of course they would still have to be rather selective about what exactly is released, so as to avoid legal situations, but it is undoubtedly an elegant solution.
I sincerely hope this is considered with some passion. It is not an idea entirely original to me, a lot of fans have quietly argued for this; and have had good reason to do so. Any suggestions would be great.
If all we are talking about are bootlegs, as in, "Seattle, WA July 1979, soundboard recording", then that is one thing. But there is another side to this.
It is not in the interest of everybody- pretty much just the fans. And "having to sit on this material" is not really a problem. It does not solve "every conceivable problem", in fact it just solves one problem- that you want to hear as much rare sh*t as possible.
If I were an artist that created things that many people wanted to buy, I would feel personally violated if I created something (let's say, a song called "Oh Lord") that I didn't want to see released, yet the "fans" went ahead and gained possession of it and distributed it against my obvious wishes, under the guise of "it is most important for the music, and for us, the fans". No. It is not your decision to make, and honestly, you shouldn't really have any say in the matter.
There is certainly a wide spectrum to this argument though, and there are many instances where things like this can be great and don't really have any... moral negativity. Perhaps an example is when a track is studio cut, finished, and ready for release, but not just included on the final product (We Got Love). Clearly many people wish that BRI would be structured in more of a way to be fluid and receptive to these kinds of things. I would love to see them release rarity tracks on special occasions for download only, to benefit charitiable causes. But, that is not reality at this point and I think it is important to also keep in mind how BRI is clearly and obviously handling their archive of unreleased music.
«
Last Edit: October 25, 2016, 12:04:25 AM by Kid Presentable
»
Logged
HeyJude
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 10090
Re: Proposed 'Bootleg' page for unreleased material
«
Reply #7 on:
October 25, 2016, 09:22:38 AM »
I think one of the problems with the perceived attitude of BRI is that, while various members may have specific things they actively *don't* want to see released, the roadblock on their side of things may be more disinterest or laziness of lack of vision.
They've released a myriad of outtakes in the past. I don't think we're going without deluxe, expanded sets of key albums because there's a standing order at BRI to not open the archives. I think it's more that nobody cares (among the BBs/shareholders). There may also be some idiosyncratic, typical BB-style reasons it's not happening.
Maybe BRI thinks there isn't a market for BB outtakes. But Capitol and BRI haven't explored it yet. The "Made in California" set was NOT a way to test the market for releasing outtakes. It was a bloated set that had too many outtakes for casual fans and too many tracks already owned countless times over for hardcore fans.
The train of thought at Capitol and BRI appears to be doing stuff like the PS anniversary set and GV anniversary vinyl single. Tired retreads with little new content.
The "Copyright Extension" releases are cases where we should be thankful that the archive team is doing everything they can with a likely shoestring budget, but those aren't good ways to test the market for a well-done, thorough, respectable archive program either. Those have been nice "dumps" of archival material. But they're scattershot, mostly download-only, have horrible bootleg-quality cover art, and so on. The nicest thing to come out of that series is the "Party" set. The one thing that actually did get a full physical release, with at least *better* if not amazing cover art, was arguably among the *least* substantive of albums they could have done a "Deluxe" set focusing on.
Logged
THE BEACH BOYS OPINION PAGE IS ON FACEBOOK!!!
http://www.facebook.com/beachboysopinion
- Check out the original "BEACH BOYS OPINION PAGE" Blog -
http://beachboysopinion.blogspot.com/
Matt H
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 1300
Re: Proposed 'Bootleg' page for unreleased material
«
Reply #8 on:
October 25, 2016, 09:38:50 AM »
Wasn't this kind of the purpose of beachboyscentral.com which is no longer an active link and never materialized?
Logged
HeyJude
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 10090
Re: Proposed 'Bootleg' page for unreleased material
«
Reply #9 on:
October 25, 2016, 12:41:18 PM »
Quote from: Matt H on October 25, 2016, 09:38:50 AM
Wasn't this kind of the purpose of beachboyscentral.com which is no longer an active link and never materialized?
Yep, and we (not surprisingly) never got any answers as to why that never took off. I think we can all imagine the politics and business involved in any BB project.
It's totally possible that a specific member or members put the kibosh on the whole thing for a very specific reason concerning wanting to block the release of outtakes. But I'm guessing it's not particularly that, and a bunch of other passive machinations involved.
Logged
THE BEACH BOYS OPINION PAGE IS ON FACEBOOK!!!
http://www.facebook.com/beachboysopinion
- Check out the original "BEACH BOYS OPINION PAGE" Blog -
http://beachboysopinion.blogspot.com/
PetSmile
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 115
Re: Proposed 'Bootleg' page for unreleased material
«
Reply #10 on:
October 25, 2016, 01:33:36 PM »
''If I were an artist that created things that many people wanted to buy, I would feel personally violated if I created something (let's say, a song called "Oh Lord") that I didn't want to see released, yet the "fans" went ahead and gained possession of it and distributed it against my obvious wishes, under the guise of "it is most important for the music, and for us, the fans". No. It is not your decision to make, and honestly, you shouldn't really have any say in the matter.''
Revised my opinion and feel it would be silly to put up this service too.
«
Last Edit: May 25, 2017, 01:36:50 PM by PetSmile
»
Logged
"Join the young and often spring you gave" - Surf's Up (BW/VDP)
♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇
Pissing off drunks since 1978
Global Moderator
Offline
Posts: 11846
🍦🍦 Pet Demon for Sale - $5 or best offer ☮☮
Re: Proposed 'Bootleg' page for unreleased material
«
Reply #11 on:
October 25, 2016, 01:52:20 PM »
You're ok PetSmile..basically you're proposing what the Beach Boys Central site was supposed to be.
edit...had to fix post...phone autocorrected your name to PetSmart
«
Last Edit: October 25, 2016, 01:52:52 PM by ♩♬ John Lemon ♯♫♩
»
Logged
Need your song mixed/mastered? Contact me at
fear2stop@yahoo.com
. Serious inquiries only, please!
Pages:
[
1
]
Jump to:
Please select a destination:
-----------------------------
Smiley Smile Stuff
-----------------------------
=> BRIAN WILSON Q & A
=> Welcome to the Smiley Smile board
=> General On Topic Discussions
===> Ask The Honored Guests
===> Smiley Smile Reference Threads
=> Smile Sessions Box Set (2011)
=> The Beach Boys Media
=> Concert Reviews
=> Album, Book and Video Reviews And Discussions
===> 1960's Beach Boys Albums
===> 1970's Beach Boys Albums
===> 1980's Beach Boys Albums
===> 1990's Beach Boys Albums
===> 21st Century Beach Boys Albums
===> Brian Wilson Solo Albums
===> Other Solo Albums
===> Produced by or otherwise related to
===> Tribute Albums
===> DVDs and Videos
===> Book Reviews
===> 'Rank the Tracks'
===> Polls
-----------------------------
Non Smiley Smile Stuff
-----------------------------
=> General Music Discussion
=> General Entertainment Thread
=> Smiley Smilers Who Make Music
=> The Sandbox
Powered by SMF 1.1.21
|
SMF © 2015, Simple Machines
Page created in 0.106 seconds with 22 queries.
Helios Multi
design by
Bloc
Loading...