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No additional info yet but I wanted to let you know that I found a CD Maxi Single "That's Why God Made The Radio" available for preorder in a Online CD Store (http://www.cede.ch/de/music-cd/default.cfm).

I feel we're getting closer!

Do you have a link to the website? This is exciting!

Well, it's just a Swiss CD shop and there are no additional infos.
Couldn't find it in UK/US Online Shops.

http://www.cede.ch/de/music-cd/default.cfm

Due December 31?

That looks like a default date.

I think so.
It's brand-new, wasn't online yesterday.
Despite missing facts, I think it's interesting that there will be a new single and that it won't be "Do It Again".

I wonder if the new album will come out, followed by a new GHits package within weeks, both featuring this single so they cross-fertilise sales.  The biggest income earner for the BBs from the new album will be the interest it sparks in their back catalogue.

Hopefully Do It Again is on it too as the b-side, that'd be a cd single worth buying! I reckon if they push this in a big way it could do well, we're not talking massive sales but it could go top 5 here in Britain with the right promotion.

Man, can't wait for this..

Were getting really close to the new album/tour

New Beach Boys single with an all-new song.... in 2012...... AWESOME  :rock

Yes, it's pretty amazing. TSS, and now this...  :smokin

Haven't they learned not to include God in a title? 

Which reminds me of this..

http://web.archive.org/web/20040210121805/http://www.geocities.com/surfbored_1974/petsoundsban.htm

how come everytime I think of this title THIS song pops into my head..lol..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdT8CwhmrOc

 :lol :lol

I always think of this:

http://youtu.be/IlUOsVIqvzI

*plays air guitar*

Anything's possible, sometimes acts that have been gone for years come back with a song that's SLIGHTLY gimmicky (which this song sounds like it's going to be!) and hit #1 again. 

For instance a few years ago, Randy Travis came out of nowhere and made a song called "Three Wooden Crosses" that was essentially a gospel song that burned up a lot of charts and was a huge hit for him.  Then he disappeared again. 

Perhaps they should change it to "That's Why Alexander Stepanovich Popov Made The Radio"...

Is it correct that this will be the first new (and officially released) Beach Boys song in 20 years? Wow.
With the whole reunion hype, the time couldn't be better.

Going by the name alone, I hope that this is a return to the weird and quirky Brian Wilson productions of the early 1970's, ala "Take A Load Off Your Feet".  ;D

Based on the title, it could be a soulful ballad like 'In My Room'.

I think it's news to Brian that he produced it.

Sounds like it will be in the vein of That Same Song

Hm.

I don't hope it'll be in the vein of some of his more 'forced' BBs-like constructs, like 'Too Much Sugar' or 'Let's Get To Heaven In My Car'.

Seems That's Why God Made The Radio was written by Jim Peteri, Joe Thomas and Larry (Millas?).

Jim Peteri: "There's a song that I wrote with Larry and Joe Thomas called 'That's Why God Made the Radio', which you'll hear some day, it's really pretty neat. It was meant to be for the Beach Boys."

Also featured some guy called David Hungate.

Source: http://www.melodicrock.com/interviews/Mecca-JimPeterik.html

A sessions seemingly produced by Peteri includes backing vocals by one Joe Vana:

JV: "A week later, yes, a week later he (JP) had me singing backgrounds on “That's why God Made the Radio”....for the BEACH BOYS....WTF"

Source:

http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=52689&sid=b16991b139ddbdfdca219e9ca0fefc74

Be veeeery interesting to see the songwriting credits on this one when it comes to light. 

Didn't Mike say that Brian wrote it ? Maybe I misremember

More, from the Joe Vana thread on Melodic Rock forum:

Question: Being an insider, what's the greatest Survivor and/or Jim Peterik track that has never been released to the public (not including FMS demos)?

Answer: Dude...I sang on alot of JP's stuff and demos for years there, but you know way too much about that stuff!!!!....I did a demo called "Save Me" which was a heavy tune...I will go through some of my old CD's of demo stuff....even though I hate doing that..I was so new to singing, and I did not have the control I do now, so the parts were a bit loose.....

My original lead vocal version to "Too Miss Somebody" from World Stage 1....I sang on the final tune with Dennis Deyoung as well, I am all over the backgrounds and I have some step outs at the end of the tune....some of my favorite moments in the studio working with Dennis...and to hear one of your idols praise your work is humbling beyond belief.....he is a misunderstood guy, really a gem....

Oh yea...."That's Why God Made The Radio".....my first thing I ever sang on....it was a demo for the Beach Boys and Brian Wilson....written by JP and Joe Thomas.....that song I will say was killer.....

Jim Peterik co-wrote "Dream Angel" on Imagination, and is credited in the BMI database as co-writing "Your Imagination," even though his name isn't in the CD booklet.

Interesting indeed ... I'll bet Brian added a bridge (that's what he did for several of the Andy Paley collaborations, apparently).

Although, it must be said, it is sad that the standout track on the last Beach Boys album did not originate with Brian.

Suddenly I have a real urge to obtain a copy of this demo!

I have a bad feeling about all this now....

Just because TWGMTR isn't a brand-new song and not written by Brian?

Mm-hm. On consideration, I have rather a sinking feeling as well.

I am feeling that this album is a Joe Thomas run affair just like 1998 with Imagination, and this song might be a well worn nostalgia song.

Let's not lose scope of the grand picture here...we are still getting a dozen songs with all living Beach Boys singing on each track.  Two years ago if we had gotten out of the blue this song released and found out that Brian didn't write most of it---I doubt we would all crap on it; we'd be freaking out that the guys came together to record a new song.   Just because we're right in the middle of all this reunion hoopla and it's been a few months of us following every little piece of news regarding this album and tour--doesn't mean we should be as jaded as we're becoming here.  So Brian didn't really write this song on his own?  Wish he did but oh well.  Dennis didn't write "Never Learn Not To Love" but look how that turned out.  Brian may not have written this song but I"m sure the arranging and voices will be, as he says, outtasite.

If it's a great Beach Boys song, it won't matter who wrote it.  Do you think any less of Sloop John B because it was not written by a member of the group?

Amen.

With a crazy madman and sect leader turned angry.  ;D

You're saying Joe Thomas is akin to Chuckie Manson? Let me think about that a while... :lol

I know where you're coming from and you're right, of course you're right. But I, for one, feel a tad winded by the fact that the one new  track being bigged up seems, in fact, not to be a BW/BBs' original but a retread of a demo by others. The first single, potentially, chissakes... I know, I know, let's wait and see... Maybe someone will offer some more info in light of this coming to the board's attention.

( and aye, I think you've got to have been a fan for many years to take this as a negative...)

Other than being a disappointment from a "perfect ending to the story" kind of perspective, I don't think it's especially relevant who wrote the song or when. If everyone keeps saying what a good song and/or recording it is--and not just Mike or Brian, but people like Probyn--then it may be just that. It would be cool if the Brian-Mike songwriting partnership of old rose from the dust for a new classic (and it may have in some other song(s), who knows?), but it's not essential for a successful song or album. If it comes to it, I would much rather have them do good versions of other people's good songs than of their own terrible ones.

Exactly my thoughts. I mean, there's no question that Brian will get a writing credit on the tune, and he may well end up adding a bridge or tag and re-arranging it. But still ... sheesh. I guess my hope was that this would be a really Brian-dominated project, at least on the production, arranging and songwriting side of things. But time will tell.

I knew Joe Thomas was going to ruin this album. I'm probably speaking a little too early but it just seems to be going in a bad direction..

man that's a real bummer.  i suddenly care a lot less about the tune.  

Since there will apparently be other Wilson/Love originals on the album, if its a great song I don't care who wrote it. But Dream Angel sucked, and Your Imagination was simply ok

There's a certain fan on this board that suddenly cared less about Meant for You once he knew Mike was singing lead instead of Brian. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but that's tone-deaf idiocy in my book.

Let us enjoy the music for what it is once we hear it. If the song is outstanding, what's wrong with these guys picking it up and singing it? The only thing I did not like was that the song got mentioned in about 25 interviews and the name of the songwriters was never mentioned... Now that was misleading, considering that most people suppose Brian's writing all the songs.

Now: when did that demo for TWGMR originate?

People aren't fans of the BBs / BW because of their stunning interpretive abilities. It's generally at least partially because of the guys' ability as songwriters. You can't totally separate the band from the songs they wrote.

As for the interview mentions, my guess is that Brian is credited as one of the writers on the tune. I bet every tune on the album has one of the guys listed as a writer or co-writer, regardless of what they actually did. And I suspect the chances are good that Brian added something to it.

Finally, if the tune was written for the BWs by Joe and Jim, that would suggest a late-90s composition date (somewhere between Stars and Stripes and Imagination).

I concur that Brian probably added a bridge or something to the song.

My point was that this reunion time is so special and unexpected, that these complaints end up seeming a little too miserable.

That's what's eating me.  AGD's always advising folk to credit sources, and pros like the BBs ought to give credit where credit's due too.


Totally.  This isn't the Gershwin album, or the Disney album. It's the first proper BBs band album since 1985… or is it S&S Vol II?



This. I hope the credits on all the tracks are legitimate and accurate. I recall (very vaguely, unfortunately)  a thread many moons ago in which it was implied that there's occasionally some, shall we say, negotiation over stated provenance of songs. I sure as hell don't want to be misled.

Hooray for Dr Lenny!  I can't believe what a drubbing this relatively unheard song is attracting (or can I?)  :lol

Be cool, and (cautiously) optimistic -  I'm sure the new record will comply to the quality levels our boys have presented over the last 50 years (varied).

Demos won't always tell you the full story - heard a demo of a mega classic rock hit yesterday, it was a woeful
approximation of the completed behemoth.

Brian on "That's Why God Made the Radio" (predicted interview response):

"Oh, my friend Joe came up with that idea, and I thought it was really cool. We sat down and worked it out -- we were done in literally 20 minutes! Twenty minutes and the song was done! It's one of my favorites. It's about how God, you know, made the radio that we all listen to. It's like that. Really good. And the guys sing it so good too."

Not drubbing the song, Alholio71, Dr Lenny, it's just the feeling that we've been somewhat mislead about its status. And you could argue that that's not the case, as no-one had said anything much about it.

It's a bit like when I was a kid and my dad came home after what I'd always been told was eight years at war, only it turned out he'd spent those eight years in prison*.









* This never happened by the way.  It's just there for the sake of effect.

I'll betcha that the real interview will go like this:

Q: who wrote that song?
A: Joe Thomas

Not aimed at you, Sir, as I understand your position on attribution, given your line of work.

Your personal harrowing experience tells us you're more than an expert on the impact of discovering the shortcomings of one's heros *.








*I acknowledge the jailbird dad thing never happened, but it was too well played to ignore  :lol

Brian's not that honest.

Please refer to his exuberant denials of any Beach Boys reunion over the last year. He enjoys lying to press.

At this point we only know that Joe Thomas and others wrote a demo of TWGMTR. Maybe later Brian & Mike have added the bridge or completed the song.
I'm thinking of Kokomo being a Phillips/McKenzie 1984 song and then mutated to the completed 1988 tune we all know and love.
Saving distances with TWGMTR I hope...

Well, he's quick to quote his collaborators for the entire work, even if that credit is not due (he's done that with Andy Paley and Scotty).

I can understand the disappointment, and I can also see how it's inconsequential if this song is a collaboration where BW is not the main creative element. Either way, a question: has his writer's block eased up at all? He's mentioned it a lot, the most recent I've heard being in an interview for the Gershwin album. Maybe he just doesn't have enough songs to work with. (They could, of course, reach back to old unreleased songs, but my curiosity remains.)

I think he started writing again last year, maybe a bit earlier. He started mentioning new song titles last year -- "Shelter" and "The Private Life of Bill and Sue" among them. I think this song's presence in the album simply comes from the band's (and Brian's, most likely) desire to have a hit.

It's also important to note that Brian always has sufficient songs on hand for an album -- he over-produces during his fertile periods. That is, he has several songs from the TLOS writing sessions in 2006 that have gone unreleased. He did some work with Stevie Kalinich pre-GIOMH. And in the 90s he did a bunch of things with both Tony Asher and Joe Thomas that went unreleased too.

David Hungate was a member of Toto.

i'm not bummed that there's a song on the album not written by them, that's not unsurprising at all.  it's that this is the song that has been hyped up, and now it isn't written by them?

it's the song probyn singled out.  It's the song Mike singled out.  Can we assume that this is the song that that drummer guy tweeted about too?  And what about Bruce, he said he'd been playing a Brian song over and over, so hopefully that's another tune.  i mean, talk about the songs the band wrote!!  this is like hyping up "i can hear music" instead of the other great tunes on 20/20.  

We don't know how much the other guys were told about who wrote the song for/with Brian.  Maybe they just don't know.  It's likely they were presented with a bunch of new songs from Brian and Joe, and got straight to work on them, but were not given all the details. 

sweet, so it seems the best song on the next beach boys album wasn't written by a beach boy, but the songwriting power house of Joe Thomas and the guy who wrote "eye of the tiger"

Well, what if it turns out Russ Titeleman and not Brian started, or even wrote most of, Guess I'm Dumb and/or Sherri She Needs Me (or Gary Usher with In My Room)?  Those are still stunning BW tracks.  And, those two guys got Brian a semi-hit in the late nineties (one I still hear occasionally piped into offices and retail stores), and it wasn't all bad.

If the song is good, and if it has identifiable contributions from Brian (a quirky bridge, cool harmonies, etc., etc.), I predict that all will be forgiven.

I'm also a huge Your Imagination fan, so I guess I should be happier about this.  :P

All those Eye of the tiger, Survivor Scotti Brothers people, were totally mobbed up, very bad vibes, complete total  stereotype Mafia,,, the Italian kind. Hey we hate to see you're health suffer,  that's the most important, thing capiche? take care of your health, now about these papers, my fiend's, Johnny Musso, Mr Scotti
we'd like you to sign these papers.


SO long story short, if this is where Joe Thomas and his musicians originated, it's almost as bad as another Dennis And Charlie Manson kind of thing.
But you know pop stars, for example put out a record written by their pal Charlie Manson, and suffer no consequences except maybe some jokes
at their expense. If Joe Thomas is hooked up with that old Scotti Brothers eye of the tiger crowd, well, I just lost about 60% of my interest in the
whole thing. It begs another question as well., Those kind of people wouldn't be beyond, taking songs from demo tapes, roadies, students, passerby
people they lock in closets... very very very bad karma to be involved with those people., and call this a creative artistic endeavor, of all the just typically
sketchy people in the music biz, to voluntarily   sign up to work with that crowd, you gotta be on heavy melds or owe somebody a piece of your income
for services rendered in the past...

That may all sound kooky and dramatic, but I'm telling you   straight up, the origins of those people are the Mob, it's common knowledge, it's not even
debatable. One of them threatened me  right in the building on Sunset, talked about your health (my health) why don't you do this. God knows who
actually wrote that song. If that's it's provenance.

Have to say, after thinking 'Oh-oh' for a second, I'm now even more optimistic about the potential of this song. Everybody says it's great. Brian doesn't write hits anymore, perhaps this song is just what the BB need now. It was written for them and seems to be fantastic. Exactly what the BB need now to kick off their tour and promote the new album.

And to be true, I guess I'm not the only one to wonder sometimes how many of his solo songs Brian did really write by himself or without a little or more than a little help of his friends since, let's say the mid 80's. God, even Brian's autobiography was ghost-written. But that's business, the music business, I think we shouldn't forget that. Brian the genius. People want Brian written and produced records, people get Brian written and produced records, even if in reality he just was a co-writer and co-producer. "Midnight's Another Day" was a left-over from the Landy-era, who knows who was involved in writing it, in re-writing it, how much Scott Bennett added etc.

Can't wait!

I think you've got your songs confused. MAD was co-written by Brian and Scott in '06 -- they took turns working it out at the piano, according to Scott.

"California Role," on the other hand, is taken from a Landy-era song called "Wondering What You're Up to Now" that Scott totally reworked as a movie-business song. Brian didn't tell him the melody was old, though. AGD did.  ;D

Really? That's funny. :-D

Ok. I thought I read somewhere that MAD originally was a fast rock song they reworked to what it is now. MAD a new collaboration? I happily stay corrected!

I heard the fast song reworked thing too, but not that it was Landy era. But after stumbling across an interview of Scott by AGD, though, it seems a little more straightforward.

Andrew: "Midnight" is just staggeringly beautiful, probably the best new work Brian has done since the early 70s - what was your role in creating such a gem ?

Scott: We traded seats at the piano until we had a cool intro-outro, verse pre-chorus, chorus and bridge. We knew it was special and spiritual, and after Brian showed me his lyric ideas for "Oxygen", I knew it would be OK to write the introspective words that this song needed.

http://www.beachboysbritain.org.uk/index.php/past-interviews.html

If Brian OK'd it, that means he put his stamp on it, and therefore.. I'm cool with it. I admire that he's looking to have a contemporary sounding hit record this late in the game. Hit records have always been on his mind.. and being open to cutting other writers songs shows me that he's still competitive in that sense.

"Your Imagination" is a well-written, well-produced record. Featuring some of Brian's best harmony arrangements. (Ok, could've lived without the AC touches) And it was a minor hit...But, think about it. If that had been the lead single for a Beach Boys reunion at the time.. it would've been monsterous.

If "Your Imagination", and all the hype around "TWGMTR" is any indication, I say we give the guy a break, and give him props for putting ego aside and recognizing a great song for his band. If it has the official BW co-sign, we're most likely in for a big treat. (American Spring anyone?)

I can't wait to hear it (and the rest of the album)!

god must have spent a little more time on the radio

And Summer In Paradise was?  :lol

Excellent point. Tipping point, in fact. No more scab-scratching, let's be open-minded again.

That Eye of the Tiger guy you speak of, Joe Peterik, was of course backed by Tony Scotti,,,,notorious mobbed up record executive, who claims to
be the son of Lucky Luciano, why the Beach Boys would willingly be involved with people from this crowd, I don't get it.

Here is a link with a long article from the New York Observer, with plenty of Quotes directly from Tony Scotti the long tie mentor of

Joe Peternik who apparently wrote, or gets credit for writing, the forthcoming Beach Boys single "that's Why God Made The Radio"
here is a story on his mentor Tony Scotti, mobster record man, from his own lips in the New York Observer.

http://www.observer.com/2000/04/my-pal-anthony-scptti-tells-me-hes-really-lucky-luciano-jr/


Scotti goes on to present scary bodyguards, make threats, explain conspiracies between area 51 the aliens, and himself..
This is the man the mafia guy, who mentored the guy who wrote "that's why God Made the radio"

These people are apparently all involved with Joe Thomas,   these are the people the Beach Boys involved for their swan song 50Th anniversary
album and tour.. If you think it's a joke just read the article and then do some google searches on the mob and Scotti Brothers, Anthony Scotti.,
cross check that with Joe Thomas and Joe Peternik, it's not rocket science, it's fairly easy to start piecing it together.

Of all the talented people in the world, this is who the Beach Boys are getting in bed with

Why ? This is the very antithesis of    Good Vibrations that's for sure

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I want to point out that this TWGMTR-revelation was posted on March 31, so it doesn't count as April Fools joke! 8)

Okay my enthusiasm is revived! Gangster links didn't do Old' Blue Eyes any harm, and it wouldn't be The Beach Boys if they didn't go out with a blast of  controversy!

I wish this album was just an extended 30 minute version of "I'm Broke".

It's not a joke on my part. I linked the article to Anthony Scotti, in his own words. It's common
knowledge Scotti Brothers records was mobbed up, and the primary songwriter of Eye of the Tiger
and That's why God Made The Radio, is a protoge or was mentored by these people, for many years.

This is not uncommon, yes Tony Bennett, Frank Sinatra, many people their whole careers were enmeshed
with the original mob, it's not like those Italian singers had a choice. Yes they did well, regardless of
perhaps because of their mob connections.

Certainly many stories circulated around Hollywood with MCA Universal, Capitol, Film Studios, Vegas, the
night clubs, on the sunset strip, and in New York City.

The Beach Boys, I would hope, are in a position of strength, where these mellow surfers, creative singers
and songwriters, don't have to rely on mob connected songwriters, managers, or producers to find songs
go on tour or get their album happening.

These are some bad, very bad people. I'm sorry the Beach Boys didn't learn their lesson after the Manson
Family debacle, and do business with more above board sorts. Plenty of good songs around, that come with
a cleaner provenance than the old time Scotti Brother crowd.

It won't prevent me from enjoying the album. But how very sad, that in this day and age, they fell in with such
a crowd. Who knows, maybe they have to do a certain number of Joe Thomas inspired songs, just like John Lennon
had to do some Morris Levy songs to stay in one piece.

It's just sickening,  it shows decisions are not being made purely on artistic grounds, they have some rough partners.
I'm sure there are plenty of would be writers with plenty of demo's to send in, like the old days, if they needed a song.
This may be a good song, or maybe it's part of paying their bill to these people.

OK 30 days to go.


Did they get Van Dyke Parks to write some words? nah, they went with fringes of the mafia instead, ah I see.

Since I am a real sleuth, I did my homework. This is the songwriting team behind That's Why God Made The Radio:

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My wife has her soap operas, I have this board.

People are reading too deep into nothing. The band has always worked with outside collaborators. Some sketchier than others, but sketchy folks nonetheless. I doubt these alleged mobsters were gonna break Brian's knuckles with a pair of pliers if the band didn't work with them.

I heard that in the mid-60s they worked with some pretentious goofy fool who took drugs with Brian. Now THAT is the kind of influence that is unneeded.

It's not like it's gonna be their first hit single written by somebody outside the band. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Grj7sjQ0_p4

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"DON'T f*** WITH THE FORMULA!"

Exactly. If Brian wrote a bridge, maybe that's the best thing of the song and everybody will go "hooray, Brian's back". So calm down until we have the song to listen to. I's more or less the same as with "Soul searchin'" to which Brian only added a part. And that one is a great song.

The Beach Boys want and need a hit in this anniversary celebration. Imagine at the end of the year the reunion is over and you don't have nothing to show because the only single they released did bomb out. At the end it's not the tour but the succes of the album/single that counts IMO. I'd be very happy if Brian and Mike would come up with something that eventually becomes a big hit but if they don't have the material (yet) than they have to take another song that might do that
And I'm happy that it's a new song they'll release and not Do It Again

Mob links, now I have heard everything... ;D

No Hypehat, it is not much ado about nothing. These people are a part of the mafia, and the Beach Boys are choosing to use
a song, (the single) or perhaps multiple songs, from these people.

This is significant. However, it is hardly unusual in the music business, this case is somewhat extreme in that, many qualified people
with no connection to the mob so far as I know were available for songwriting or production help. Van Dyke Parks, Russ Titleman, Phil Ramone
Rick Rubin, Jack Douglas, or whoever, just using those people as examples.

They could have gotten a song off of Neil Diamond, Elton John, Paul McCartney, Jackie Deshannon, Tom Petty, Jeff  Lynne,Jackson brown
Cat Stevens, Don Mclean, Van Dyke Parks, Leo Sayer, Van Morrison, Don Mclean, Adam Marsland, Jewell, Sheryl Crow, Lucinda Williams

Or a gazzillion other people, if they needed a song, but its significant they found an outside tune to be a hit, from some people with a deep
and long history with the mob people.

No one would really argue it was no big deal the Beach Boys used a Charlie Manson song on the b side of a single, That's grotesque

The Beach Boys, have a reputation going back to the sixties, where they don't outright steal songs, but they put their name on songs mostly
created by other people, and many people got offers to write with one beach boy or another, and usually not much credit dribbles down.
some not too much.

Richie Podolor told me he walked away from one of those types of offers, a guy named Stan made an offer to me like that in the eighties from their crowd,     
What Makes   "that's why God made the radio" different, is the people involved have historic ties to the mafia.

But you're right there is plenty to talk about besides that, but no reason to sweep it under the rug or minimize it, it is what it is, and it kind of
confirms my feelings, about this "who the hell is this Joe Thomas guy, now I know. Kind of the reincarnation of Don Kirshner or something. that
guy Anthony Scotti, if you read that link, he says he is the son of Lucky Luciano! and he is proud of it, he says his father (Luciano) saved the United
States, he also says there is no such thing as the mob. no foolin that's what the guy said.


This may tarnish the album somewhat, and call into question the judgement of some of these decision making people around the Beach
Boys, but still it is their fiftieth, and by God, they are doing a new album, that supposedly sounds like Beach Boys circa 1965, I'd say that
trumps even the mob,though I wonder how the PBS crowd will react to this mob connection with the Beach Boys



 

TWGMTR is an offer the BBs cannot refuse.... 8)

I think that is part of Brian Wilson's talent, taking a 3/4 written song, and making it his own
adding a bridge or whatever.

Paul McCartney added the Woke up got out of bed, to a basically complete Lennon song,  that
was great already, and just raised it to another level.

I have a co writer once in awhile, who writes just the bridge or embellishes 15% of the song, and
makes it twice as good.

That's a talent to take a raw song, write a bridge or verse or whatever it might be, and elevate it.

George Harrison after five years out of the studio, used the very obscure Rudy Clark song "got my mind
set on you" with a new totally different arrangement, the song skyrocketed to number one, restoring Mr
Harrison to the "A" list overnight.

Harry Nilsson wrote a lot of hit songs, One is the loneliest number for Three Dog Night, but his breakout hit
as an artist was written by Pete Ham "Cant Live if living is without you....



Sometimes reaching out for one or two outside songs, is a good idea, and finding one you can add a part to
is a legitimate method.. Hell Wilson finished a hundred year old, half done Gershwin tune recently, did he not?

I wouldn't be surprised if Gene Landy, was friendly with some of those people. If I ever meet his son Evan again
I'll ask him,

*ssshhh... the Beach Boys need a new hit... you know whom to contact here, Don?*

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You're the only person upset about this whole mob thing, here's an idea: get over it and stop boring everyone.

well now i'm gonna hate this song dang it.  i just want them to hype something else up please.  i wonder how old this tune is anyway.  at least 2009 i think

Hope you aren't addressing me here, Paulos. I'm just poking fun at the whole matter...  :smokin

Soulful ol man sunshine is moslty a Rick Henn composition/production/arrangement. That doesn't seem to bother people on this board.

Not you Don, responding to Vintagemusic's rambling, no offence intended and your post was funny!

That's it, I'm never listening to that song ever again as it isn't a genuine Brian production. Also, I heard that Rick Henn once ate out at a pizzeria that a mob guy had once been in.

Haha, obviously not. And that's kind of my point. I understand that people are disappointed, but I think it is largely because everyone has been hoping that this would be the perfect ending after all these years of lawsuits, bad albums, multiple touring acts, etc. Finally, it seemed that what was too good to be true might indeed be true: everyone coming together and putting together something great. Storybook. And so when reality creeps in, it's unfortunate.

Spot on. And no one ever, IIRC, found 'Breakaway' so-so for the co-writing by one Reggie Dunbar.

Really appreciated, and no need to say sorry. It was just that some posts were between Vintagemusic's piece and yours, I guess.

The record business was one bunch of guys runinning the record and publishing companies and another bunch of guys running promotion and distribution. There was, of course, some cross pollination. So, what?

How has Phil Cohen hacked into so many people's accounts?  Seems like half of the board, even the anti-PhilCohen himself (perhaps especially him), has taken on the Eeyore-like pessimism of Phil Cohen.  "Doesn't look good for the album."  "I hate that God/Radio song now."  "We've been mislead."  "The Beach Boys are in bed with the Cosa Nostra - how is PBS going to react to that?"  

And all without hearing so much as one note.  Amazing.












Pretty funny, though.   :lol  

Good theory.

PC is dangerously infectious. Were he a Congressman, WW III would be a distinct possibiliity.

I think I missed out on something

Well it's mostly 2 or 3 people---posting over and over and over

Going to buy the album no matter what, this year is awesome with a new album and tour.

AAAAAAAAAAAAPRIL  FOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!! 

I guess we should have realized when brian wasnt sure which song it was when mike mentioned it.  I just wish thry eould plug a song they wrote.

ITS NOT NECESSARILY THE LAST BEACH BOYS ALBUM.


That is all. 

I agree!  People are such pussies. 

From now on, I'm only going to listen to Brian Wilson songs if he's sitting in my living room and actually writes it while he's singing it.  That way I know there's no funny business going on.

It's like that Gosh Darn "God Only Knows', Brian didn't even write it!  HORRIBLE SONG I can't stand that sh*t. 

Or "I Can Hear Music".  Completely unlistenable tripe.  Not only did the Beach Boys not write it, another band actually recorded it.  And it was CHICKS.  The Beach Boys Stole That Song! 

Or what's that other one everybody always goes on about, "Love And Mercy" my ass!  Brian Wilson didn't even produce it!  That's not a Brian Wilson song, it's bullshit.  I refuse to listen. 

Oh shutout uuuup.  I don't think it's out of line for people to be annoyed that the song thats been hyped up wasn't even written by the band.  I don't listen to them because they play other people's songs well. And obviously it's totally fine that they're doing a song that someone wrote for them, but talk about the songs that y'all wrote at least

I guess Brian wrote Sloop John B too  :lol

As long as it sounds good with those Beach Boys harmonies, it won't matter. Plus, we'll have a ton of Brian songs regardless.

sloop john b is definitely the song everyone talks about when they talk about pet sounds  ::)
not that sloop john b counts either, it's a traditional song arranged by brian.  This is a song written by joe thomas.  JOE THOMAS. 

and i know we'll have i'd say 4 brian songs?  talk about those!  i don't get why certain fans put beach boy versions of songs on the same level as songs written by the band

at least the song wasn't written by Joe Momma

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Why wouldn't it be?

wouldn't it be nice and god only knows? perhaps? i mean just maybe those songs are discussed more.  I'd like to state again i have no problem with them doing a song written by someone else for them, but it being the song that we've been hearing a lot about is a bummer, especially when it's coming from a guy who somehow made brian wilson's music very very dull.

Y'know, it could be that Brian thought of that title and maybe even a hook to go with it, then Joe Thomas took it to Jim Peterik and that Larry guy, and together they wrote the majority of the song around the title & the hook, and recorded a demo with that Joe Vana guys singing backgrounds.  Then it eventually came back to Brian, who added his production touch and vocal harmonies for The Beach Boys to sing.  Wouldn't be the first time something along those lines has happened.  I'm sure we'll hear more about the song's history when it's released.

Anyone we know doing the recording notes for the CD booklet? ? ? ?

 ::)

Ha!  Wouldn't THAT be nice?  :)

Good point. Other songs where that's been the case (off the top of my head) include "No Wrong Notes in Heaven" by Scotty and BW and "Miracle" by Carnie and Wendy and BW (and a lot of other people).

one could hope but yeah.

I've heard absolutely nothing from the album, but I have heard two or three people who have heard stuff single out this particular song for praise, from "cool" to "really good."

I do think concern over Joe Thomas' production style and influence is totally understandable and not out of line.  If you weren't into the IMAGINATION approach there's no particular reason to assume this one's going to be much different.  Not so sure about the mob thing though.  I do remember growing up on the east coast that they were still involved in a lot of the clubs out there well into the '80s (the Scotti Bothers heydey), but I haven't heard or seen much evidence of significant mafia influence in the industry since.  But then, I may not be in a position to see such things, being positioned fairly low on the ladder so to speak.

Joe's involvement is still unclear. He's involved in some way, but whether it's as a co-producer, executive producer, TV guy or what isn't confirmed one way or another. He's clearly worked on some of the songs being used on the album, and Brian did record with him in Illinois at one point last year, but beyond that everything is murky. Brian's band is also involved, so who knows.

I hear the new album may be titled "Songs For Pussies and Pizza Parlors"

I think they'd be able to sell a ton of copies based on that title alone.

I could condense my remarks some. But whether I do or not, you're still going to endure the
rest of your life, as an offensive little man, who lays in wait on chatboards so you can pounce
on someone you perceive as weak. Or less than you.

The connections I pointed out, are quite interesting, maybe not to you, but then if you hear cries
of help from your neighbor's maybe you're inclined to say "thoughtless A Holes" instead of calling 911

I've spent my life in music, and I get sad when one of my heroic bands (the Beach Boys) step into business
with some hoods. But then Gene Landy might have been a hood of a different sort.

That must be a big weight on your shoulders to speak for the entire membership, "nobody cares"
a blanket "Paco speaks for everybody!"

and then the other guy who says "Phil Cohen is hacking into people's accounts,  now he is a rude
cruel guy too, but at least he is funny!  cruel+ funny :police: :smokin :hat


Listen Eye of the Tiger was a hit, like an assembly line Journey type of music , no soul, just assembly line
that's bad enough, but when you throw in Scotti Brothers, and how it all ties in with "that's why God made the radio"
it's creepy

You know when I went into the Scotti brothers building on Sunset, I was just a kid, I was afraid they'd kill  us
and not let us out, they focused   attention on their mafia roots, they didn't hide it, they used it as a marketing
tool, while I was in the building, their A&R guy started talking about my health, these people are directly connected
to "That's why God Made the Radio". I felt it was an intersting story to discuss. That's all.

The Beach Boys are America's band, the same way people try and promote America's football team, or baseball team
that carries with it, a certain responsibility, to act a certain way. If you sing at Reagan's library, you shouldn't be involved
with mobsters., especially by choice.3

I don't like it Taco, when a guy like you, tries to pick on me, inferring, my mind is sick or I am delusional, I just pointed
out a story, about the backround of the people who wrote "that's why god made the radio" and the songs connection
with the Beach Boys. Read the article from Anthony Scotti's own lips,

I'll try and condense my remarks here, and be brief, you try and watch how you attack me personally little man, with
your "I speak for everyone here" bulls^^t


Back to the song, I find the title reminds me of what I would typically hear  in a new Country type of song, and I have
trouble imagining, complex, lush layered Beach Boy harmonies over that title, but maybe it's great, I am anxious to
hear a lush beach boy vocal arrangement over what sounds to me like a country song title.

The Brian Wilson Christmas album sounded like authentic, vintage Brian Wilson production to me, therefore, I hope
this new album has at least some vintage BW production. Beach Boys 65 that's the description everyone keeps using
I tend to believe them. Why not? They would know.

Finally Adam, I don't know if the mob is still involved with record companies and clubs, I suspect they are, but who knows.
that guy Peternik (that's why god made the radio) could answer that question I presume. Or Joe Thomas maybe,

Bring on That's Why God Made The Radio, I am excited as hell about a new real, authentic (mostly) Beach Boy album!
Far Out

Ironically, the mob probably gave its artists a fairer shake than a lot of labels did...the music industry attracts lots of unsavory types.  Read up on a guy named Stan Polley...that story will make your hair curl.  I actually prefer some of the sharks (not Polley though, Christ, someone should have put a bullet through his head) to some of the folks I've observed down at the bottom -- not talking Beach Boys specifically here, just a general observation.  The sharks are out to make money, whereas the hangers-on are trying to leech money and reflected glory.  You can chart the career of many successful bands by their ratio of the hanger-on types to actual competent people that got the work done.

Although come to think of it, I think Polley may have had mob ties too.  Kind of shoots a hole in my own argument.  Oh well.  It's amazing good music gets out there, some how, some way.  There are plenty of obstacles to it.

Actually, I heard it was going to be called "Goodbye Surfing, Hello To My Little Friend"

It's always been a crooked business. Yes certainly the mob probably helped some people have careers. I don't know of Polly, but
I have seen a gazillion suits, some are cool, some are not, and there are all kinds or were, of different types of mobs and what not.


Look at the state of the music business now, I sort of liked the old system, at least it functioned. Artists were groomed, they grew
Some people got signed and groomed who didn't deserve it, some didn't get signed who did deserve it. People got cheated, at least
we had a functioning music business, I don't even understand how it works now. There doesn't seem to be a center, where things
spring from. It's all very haphazard now. Something will emerge from this chaos,

The World needs a good hit single from the Beach Boys, regardless of who wrote the tune, I really believe it's a good thing for the world
, Karma, and hopefully a nudge that might point the music business back into the right direction. The world could use a few new rock stars
who have the talent and live up to the hype. I don't know if Jack White and Lady Ga Ga, are deserving of the mantle, of this generations
rock stars,

Sigh new Beach Boy album featuring Brian, Mike, Al, Bruce, Carl and David, in 2012, what the heck could be better than that, I just hope
they deliver the goods, and turn in a really fine album. On some level it will be good for the planet, music influences culture as much as
culture influences music. At least I think so.

I just hope there are more Brian/Mike songs on the album than not.

Ahhh The Beach Boys story never gets dull!

The musical term 'hit' has taken on a whole new context after reading the last few pages of this thread!

Wow, quite the turn this thread has taken!  

I don't particularly care about the mob thing, and the fact that the song seemingly wasn't written by any of the Beach Boys isn't a big deal in and of itself.  I'm just hoping that Brian and Mike have come up with some equally good tracks.  The pre-album hype thus far as pointed to "That's Why God Made the Radio" being the best of the bunch, and it would obviously be disappointing if the best track on a Beach Boys album was something that none of them had a hand in writing.

Brian has worked with Joe Thomas and Jim Peternik in the past, so I don't get why the "mob links" would be a problem now. Frank Sinatra was rumored to work with the mob back in the day and he is an american icon.

i wonder how many we'll get.  3 from them two?  then maybe 2 more brian with others

I bet it'll break down like this: 12 songs, 8-9 BW co-writes, 3-4 of those with Mike. One song from Al, one song from Dave, one song from Bruce.

Something like that.

Because when the link to Scotti Brothers, and all those music biz mobsters, became apparent to me, is when I mentioned it.
And I spoke about it at some length.

I hope wirestone is right in his prediction, or hope, 8-9 Brian Wilson co-writes, 3-4 with Love. One From Jardine
One From Johnston, something along those lines.

If "That's why God made the radio" sounds great, that will go a long, long way towards squashing any of the
backround people involved. If the record sounds like an assembly line hack job, by Old Scotti Brothers type people
then I think people will say, why didn't they call Carol King or Rick Rubin or Jackie Deshannon, or people they could
trust if they needed an outside song..

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Carol Bayer Sager or someone help on She Says that She needs me. We have the
much earlier Beach Boy track, with the melody and basic idea cut years before Joe Thomas ever worked with Wilson
so why is Thomas credited as a co writer on that song, what did he do? add the word "the" or some trivial thing, Thomas
is listed as a writer on that song right? Except for some of the lyrics, the Beach Boy demo has 80% of that song locked.


If the song is a great single, and Capitol uses all their expertise and muscle to push it, and they can get it on radio, and keep
doing TV and going on tour, it could be a monster hit, if it's good. We shall see. the $64 dollar question, will be answered soon.

Wait...the guy's name is PAULOS...not 'Paco' or 'Taco'. I sincerely hope you didn't choose those two words for the reason it seems like to me...

Thomas wrote the horrible instrumental solo section.

Joe is not listed as a co-writer on the song. BMI (and the CD booklet) credit it to Wilson / Titelman / Bayer Sager

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And the horn section in the song is arranged by Brian.

Q: And that clarinet section in the middle of "She Says That She Needs Me," I love that. Is that your arrangement?

A: Oh yeah, that was me. He (talking about the clarinet player/section leader, I think. Or Joe Thomas? Who knows?) took it down verbatim and did it right there.

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Brian wrote it? I like it a lot better now.

Was referring to the keyboard part, which sounds more like a Joe Thomas kinda trip.

Not denying there's cheese in there!

 :lol

BTW the title of the new album has been decided upon.

Return Of The Hit Men.

I like it.

I think he might be trying to be insulting towards hispanic people, not realising I'm a white English guy! If he is then he should be banned for attempting to incite racial hatred. I loved the 'I don't like it Taco, when a guy like you, tries to pick on me, inferring, my mind is sick or I am delusional' - all I said that was he was getting upset and boring everyone, how does that translate as calling someone delusional? Oh and as for the 'offensive little man' comment I am 6ft 1 so not really so little. Also, you are the most boring poster on any board ever, but I am grateful for your helping my insomnia.

We need EarCandy to ease the tension around here.

Thats what me and hypehat want as well.

I want EarCandy to photoshop me roundhouse kicking Vintagemusic into a woodchipper whilst Don Corleone looks on.

No you won't, Vintage is under my protection. Any more of your threats and you'll be pushing up the daisies, wearing a concrete overcoat as you sleep with the fishes.

Capiche?

 :lol

You Are The Son Of Phil Cohen And I Claim My $ 640,000,000 Right Now!

Argghhh, it's the Don!

I need a favor from the Don.... :hat

So i'll be thrown into a body of water encased in concrete and somehow at the same time also buried in a place where daisies grow, man I'm good but not that good!  ;D

Can I have a record deal from Heartical Don Records?

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As far back as I can remember, I always wanted to write for The Beach Boys....

Brilliant!  :lol

 :lol I must admit that it makes for a terrific vinyl label name... must TM it!

I for one am not concerend in the least of our heroes getting involved w/ mobsters. The minute one of them tries any funny business, Bruce will pistol whip them back to Chicago faster than you can say Deirdre. And as if that wouldn't be enough, Brian just might bust out some of his karate moves that he pulled on Elvis, for good measure.

Wait...you're saying that if someone doesn't care or doesn't believe that The Beach Boys are tied in with the mob, then that person is inclined to ignore cries of help from a neighbor, calling them thoughtless A Holes instead of calling 911?  Funny stuff.    


So, because I was making light of some posters who have now dismissed a song that, by all accounts of some folks who have heard it, is great...sounds like a hit, even today...cool... really good, without hearing a single note, I am cruel?  Cruel?  Really?  So if I'm cruel, then what's this?


Unbelievable.  And not funny.  At all.


Bullsh*t.


You haven't heard one note of the song yet!


Now you're calling the new Beach Boys album 'mostly authentic' because there is a song written (or co-written) by someone other than a Beach Boy?  You might want to check the credits on every Beach Boys album ever released, because you'll find that a great majority included a song written or co-written by someone other than a Beach Boy.


Quite.

Great first post. :lol

No in fact I lived in Mexico, married a Spanish girl,   have nothing against Latin American people. Just you, when I say you are a little man
I don't refer to your height or weight, but the puny value of your soul. You're a cyber bully who laid in wait to pounce and insult me with
a bunch of false remarks, you said you spoke for everyone else here, which is a huge ego trip on your part,  you said what I had to say
was uninteresting, and everyone agreed with you, you are small minded and worse still, a huge egomaniac, essentially telling me my views
or posts are worthless, an irritation, a waste of time, and you speak for all like some magnanimous host, trying to apologize to the membership
as you cuttingly demean me, while you act like you aren't doing that very thing. The reason I mispronounced your name isn't because I dislike
people of color or hispanics, it's because arrogant jerkoffs like you, I don't bother to remember your name, I try and forget you, and demean you
as you tried to do to me, for no reason whatsoever.. I've actually been in a room with the mobsters I spoke of, and some of the Beach Boys
whom I consider decent folks, and I was saddened, from personal experience I know some of those people mentored by the Scotti brothers
are the dregs of the earth, and I lamented the fact, and pointed it out to those who might be interested... I also dislike those barf bags for any
part they played in harming the career and life of my pal Leif Garrett from school, who was a nice kid before he got involved with the Scotti's

Maybe I am boring, and long winded, I thought I had some worthwhile interesting things to contribute here, but there are quite a few of you
younger, know nothing about music guys, who always attack with the knife and fork, like you can only get your sustenance at the expense of
putting someone like me down.  I misspoke your name because I was trying to tell you to shove it, drop dead, go back to pulling the wings off
butterflies, don't speak for the entire membership about me, and don't demean me in some cowardly English backhanded way, like you belong
to the upper crust and just insulted the janitor at your squash club, go watch a film about all the English royalty that wanted to side with Hitler
or go read Neville Chamberlains speech about the Sudetenland, go meet your boyfriend for tea, but don't tell me you weren't insulting me

Your attempt to censor anyone who doesn't fit your profile is a lot more common at places like Steve Hoffman, don't bring that poison attitude over
here. So you didn't like what I had to say. Didint think it had merit. I don't think countries in the developed world in the 21st century, should
have a billion dollar a year royal family like the British equivalent of a theme park or night time soap. I insulted you because you insulted me
it's just that simple, then you simper and say   you didn't do a thing.

Of all the people in the music business, all the hall of famers, A Lister's and super talents, I was surprised and caught off guard, that the Beach
Boys were working with people that were mentored by the mob. Maybe you should head a department here that checks credentials and bloodlines
for membership, and censors posts before they are allowed to be read by the general membership, Jesus you are an ass


I still hear the phonetics of the song title as something more akin to a country song, I am dying to hear it, the whole album in fact, Culturally
they had a big impact on my generation growing up in Los Angeles, Musically I admire them and have been influenced by them, like any other
pop musician, and To think they have an album, which reminds people of Beach Boys circa 1965 is just stunning, I am hoping for two great songs
as good as California Girls, or God Only Knows, I hope they really turn in a masterpiece as their swansong, I am really rooting for them.

So, in the part in bold you have wished death upon me, accused me of animal torure and made fatuous remarks about my sexuality. If we couple this along with the racist Paco/Taco comments and the Adolph remarks from a few weeks back this paints you in a very poor light, I feel sorry for you as you are clearly a delusional, morally questionable little oik.

Hmm, oik.  At 55 I'm still not too old to learn a new word.  Thanks.  For those who don't know:

"an obnoxious or unpleasant person; in weakened senses, a 'nit-wit', a 'clot'."

Glad to be of service!

Boring bored reading this boring back n forth. I'd take Phil anyday over this bickering.

I love the word "oik" though.  :lol

I cannot find anything on the internet to link the Scotti brothers to the mafia beside that one article where Tony claims he is Lucky's son.

Vintagemusic, what makes you think that the rest of us want or need to read about how your feelings are hurt and how you are just dishing it right back? Most of us come on here as a leisure activity. We are thinking "hmm, I wonder what's up with The Beach Boys," not "I wonder if Vintagemusic is offended by relatively innocuous remarks."

Do you see a different thread title than the rest of us (perhaps "Vintagemusic overreaction thread?") If you need to communicate this to Paulos, why not PM him? Better yet, why not just take the criticism like a big boy? I mean, who really cares? It's a fucking messageboard.

Just because someone criticized your posts on a messageboard does not make them a) Hitler b) Neville Chamberlain c) Tony Soprano. It also does not mean that you need to criticize entire cultures and nations as a result. Life's too short.

As for the song, I am assuming that Brian has had some input, like others have stated upthread. To my best recollection, Brian is the producer of this new Beach Boys album, and Mike Love (and/or Joe Thomas) is executive producer. If Brian didn't have any input as a songwriter, he certainly had input as an arranger and producer. It will be interesting to hear the track.

However... I don't want to alarm anyone, but I hear that this Peterik guy who wrote "Eye of the Tiger" has some mob connections. Clearly this means that the mafia is funding the Beach Boys' new album and tour. We will see La Cosa Nostra banners and logos all over the place when we go to the reunion shows, and if we are not sufficiently enthusiastic at the shows, we may get our legs broken (after they ask us about our health). Are you all OK with this????

That's funny! :-D


You know more than you tell, ... "DON"!!! ;D


I remember someone praising some BB tune for Brian's songwriting skills years ago (probably on the old SMiLE Shop board), and when someone else pointed out to him it wasn't Brian who wrote that particular song, the guy suddenly found that song he loved before not good anymore - even though not one bit changed in the recording. I can't understand that either.  BTW I don't like that title "TWGMTR" no matter who came up with it, but am curious what the track will be like, mafia or not.

Thanks for the flowers, Micha! And your third item is spot on.

Looks like vintagemusic is back with more of his stream of consciousness, run-on sentence, anger-filled ramblings. Here we go again.  ::)

I agree. When he thought you were hispanic he made the Paco/Taco comment, and now that he knows you're British he's making THESE comments? Uh-uh.

Vintage, consider this a final warning. You've done more than cross the line with your last few posts...you've set it on fire and then proceeded to sh*t all over that line. Hate speech will not be tolerated here. Period.

I'm glad the BBs aren't coming to Britain … getting shot at gigs is always a real downer.

Wouldn't even want to know what's in the cello and violin cases... and I'd hate to wake up in the Travel Inn near the RFH with a horse's head in my bed.

No, keep it clean with Al Jardine in the good old U.S.A., I say.

Thanks for that.

What the hell is going on...

Is the song released?

No, the song has not yet been released, a thread derailment occurred but we are now back on track.

So wasnt it melinda that suggested joe thomas?  Maybe she had debts..

That's a hell of derailment

I saw over 170 replies and nearly fell of my chair

Number 1 with a bullet. I still like my "Songs For Pussies And Pizza Parlors", though. Less blatant, more esoteric. ;D

It's funny how people always get so worked up and at each others' throats when a new release is on the horizon.

Never change, guys.

Is it safe to come back in yet?

Yes....I'm here. Big Daddy will protect the flock.


:lol

This is by far one of the stupidest fucking threads I've ever seen on this board, and DAMN, is there some competition. We're talking about a new single and we get into the fucking MOB? Seriously?

Most of you people don't deserve a Beach Boys reunion or new album.

Hey, I tried to tell him that no-one cared about any alledged mob connections but this had the unfortunate effect of kicking off a shitstorm or mentalness. I for one am really looking forward to new Beach Boys songs, regardless of who wrote them.

Hell, least we had fun with Mob jokes for a while during this crazy thread. ;)

I have to say, I think the community -- also known, perhaps, as the "family" -- handled itself very well on this thread. Lots of silliness, but virtually no real meanness. I like it!

yous guys know too much,yeah,so we're going to have ta go for a ride...yeah..we's have ta have a little talk..yeah..this cd could have been a contender,but ya all had ta ruin it...yeah...get in da car....yeah..

I'm looking forward to songs written by the beach boys  ;D

Me too..

Those Beach Boys are pretty good

If it is a good song, I really don't care who wrote it. The Boys' have sung other peoples songs on most every album released. Why this is a big deal is beyond me. Other peoples songs released as singles; Do You Wanna Dance, Then I Kissed Her, Bluebirds Over The Mountain, I Can Hear Music, Cottonfields, Rock And Roll Music, Come Go With Me etc.. As great as the Today album is; the lead-off single was Do you Wanna Dance. They must all think highly of the tune to be speaking of it as much as they are, and like it enough to release it as the first single. Me, I'm holding off judgment until I actually hear it.

I hear what you're saying, I just don't think it should be the song that is being hyped up.  Rock n roll music is one of their worst recordings ever by the way.  And do you wanna dance is a good example, great recording, butshouldnt be used to hype a release

Hey Big Daddy, or as I prefer to call you, Hypocrite

PLEASE REMOVE ME FROM YOUR BOARD FOREVER

thank you

Phew… it's time for me to meditate…

You can't remove yourself from the board forever? No one's forcing you to come here.

oh dear

paraphrasing Bob Dylan who came on after Mike Love's rant at the RNR Hall of Fame ceremony:

"at least he didn't mention me....."

 ;D

For the love of God Billy, DO IT !  Get this idiot out of our collective hair.

Man, you guys are a buncha meanies!

Is it possible for someone to post a live action shot of "Lurch" from the '60s Addams family series , shaking his head slowly and moaning?
Just seems appropriate.

The Coup de grâce right now would be Phil Cohen calling vintagemusic out. We all give him crap, but least he isn't a hateful person to anybody online.

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This thread keeps getting better and better.

I also like this one:

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Montgomery Burns:

"Excellent!"

Vintagemusic is being persecuted.
He is just
Trying to write about the Beach Boys in a unique sort of
Quasi-Haiku style formatting.
What I don't understand is why the lot of you
Are
Being Hitlers and Neville Chamberlains (respectively). You are also
Probably all involved with the mafia and asking
People how
Their health is.

One time I went to a doctor
Who was
Clearly involved with organized
Crime (the MAFIA/La Cosa Nostra)
As he was asking
Me how my health was.
"Eye of the Tiger" was playing
In his office as well.

So if you all want to appease Hitler, or be Hitler, or be
Ruled over by a regent of some sort, and also be
Involved with the mafia, then that's
Up to you, but vintagemusic
And I will keep
Safe, away
From
Bad
Folx.

 :lol :lol

Hi, I really wanted to stay out of this thread since I haven't heard the song in question yet. I do have to inform everybody that there is no Mob or Mafia anymore. Seriously. I live in Las Vegas. I have many older friends here including one who did in fact used to work for the Mob. His job was to make sure things were being handled correctly here. My connection to him is through the Freemasons and he comes over to our house once in a while for dinner and cocktails. At one time this city was run by organized crime, hell organized crime created this city. But that is no more. Every casino is now owned by some sort of corporation. Our last mayor Oscar Goodman used to be a Mob lawyer and his wife Carolyn is the current mayor. There is a lot of fascination here about the past and there are currently TWO Mob museums here. But there is no Mob anymore. So if there isn't Mob here, why would it still exist any where else???

Sorry, carry on, just trying to set the record straight.

 :smokin

Holy Payola crap! Smile has a Mafia song on it. There! Are you happy now, Morris? You tainted the Beach Boys legacy with Gee. What do I do now?

This is because "In Heaven There Is No Beer" was taken.

 ;D

Beautiful! Thank you.

No Mafia in LV? Maybe you would know. But  what about in Brighton Beach, Staten Island, LA, Chicago, Miami and other spots? Did all da bums go straight and get respectable jobs at ticket reseller companies?

Go Now!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS3ixmsQgCk

Funny stuff :lol

Thread of the month.

Nah, make it thread of the year.

No Mob in Vegas anymore. I work at a casino downtown on the Fremont experience (the old part of Vegas before the Strip was built). I hear all kinds of fascinating stories about the past but those things just don't happen anymore. My first real job here was at the Golden Gate. The Golden Gate opened in 1904, was the very first hotel/casino here, had the first telephone in Nevada (the number was 1) and has the address 1 Fremont Street. Our break room was in the basement and I used to sit down there and wonder how many bodies were in the walls. If there is such a thing as ghosts or paranormal activities, they really happened down in that basement, very creepy. I brought a camera with me and took pictures down there one night (they're on my Facebook). Sorry for getting way off topic but I think this thread got derailed way before I piped in. I just think that all this fear of the Mob is silly but could have been a genuine concern decades ago.

Looking forward to the new song, the new album and seeing the Beach Boys May 27th!

Jesus H. Mob Affiliated Christ, what is going on here?

Apparently The Beach Boys were coerced into recording songs written by the mafia.

......and we're angry about that?

Not angry. Worried.

Us board members are going to need to start sleeping with one eye open.

Wait a minute...you're still here?  I thought you left a while ago?

It's a shame that your shortest posts are the ones where you tell everyone you're leaving.

And no, I don't know what "button" to press to disable your account.  Send a private message to one of the moderators to close your account...or how about just stop posting?

Mafia points aside...

I do think that what may bother some people is that there really has been a sense given that this was a new, great, Brian Wilson track. I know that when I saw the title it had been written almost like this: "Brian Wilson has been writing many songs for the album. There's one on it called That's Why God Made The Radio that's supposed to be great!" Here, for instance, is the press release that seemed to be all over the place post-Grammys:


And here's another one:


So I think the impression was given that this great, new, stand-out track was very much a Brian song and there was no indication that it was anyone else's. So I can see how that might deflate someone's spirits moreso than, say, Sloop John B. I don't imagine people come to the Pet Sounds album strictly on the belief that Sloop John B. is the standout Brian Wilson penned track to watch out for and then have to confront the fact that it wasn't written by him at all. It's whole different kind of scenario.

Does that mean we'll like the track any less than we would have had the track been credited to Brian? I don't think so -- at least I hope not. It's simply a case of an impression being left, which created a certain kind of anticipation, that has been deflated somewhat.

I know that I got excited a few years ago when people started talking about a new Brian Wilson track called "Midnight's Another Day" which sounded really great that I hadn't heard yet. It gets a certain kind of hope up. Put it this way, if you were told about a great new song by written Brian and a great new song written by Joe Thomas, which one would be more exciting?

thanks for putting this into better words than i could think of lol

I just got "DFTS" and honestly if they can provide an album of songs that good/better ill be a a very happy fan.

I just want a good overall album with 2 or 3 amazing tracks, I don't care who writes them, if the beach boys are the first to do it and it's not a cover and it was produced by Brian, then who cares!?

i'm sure it'll be a very nice and enjoyable version.  but i've never gotten my head around that line of thought.  You can perform a song, and make it yours, but it will always belong to the songwriter in my mind. 

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is there a Beach Boys messageboard anywhere on the internet that focuses just on information and not pages upon pages of bullshit?

The only one I've found: http://www.brianwilson.com/community/  ;)

Well, he did ASK for it, and I DO aim to please, so...


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Now back to your regularly scheduled programing, already in progress...

When I first came here it was great! then Bill, Phil, Ghost and a few other wacked out freaks started dragging it down to their level. Well maybe not Bill, he just had a theory that he would not let go!! I was going to mention Fishmonk but he has been pretty cool and has some great theories(that don't involve drugs)...Remember that thread!!

A few years ago, yeah...  This board was one of them. I can't speak for Phil Cohen, nobody/ghost, etc., but the anticipation for the new album and tour is killing me, and I just occasionally like to have a little stupid fun. Very stupid fun. As far as Bill Tobleman and his Zen theory is concerned, I remember reading his website way back in '05 during the infancy of my BB fandom,  when I first started digging (er...googling) for SMiLE related stuff.

So, you're saying that the people who have heard this song and think it's great shouldn't tell other people that the song is great?  I don't get it.

I got a different impression from reading the quotes.

Sorry to keep the off-topic thing going, this may be true for some areas but it isn't accurate for the Philadelphia area. Google the names George Anastasia and Dave Schratwieser, one is a beat reporter and the other is a TV reporter from Philly who do a regular series called "Mob Talk" where they report all the goings-on, power grabs, and inner squabbles.

These guys wouldn't have a gig reporting on "Mob Talk" if there were nothing to report... :-D

I don't know. The parts you highlighted still seemsto be giving the impression to me that Brian Wilson had something to do with writing "That's Why God Made the Radio" when according to the facts we have so far, he didn't. Now in all fairness, they don't say that directly but you certainly can't blame someone from walking away from that article with that impression.

You mean you want a message board that completely voids the human element? I'm sure in a few years there can be an entirely robotically run message board. You can't participate, you can only watch.

Yeah. And it's called Rolling Stone.

How do you know Brian didn't have something to do with the writing of the song?  The fact is...we won't know until we see the writing credits.

How do I know the Pope didn't have something to do with the writing of the song? Yeah, I suppose we could throw in just about anything. But according to the writing credits that we have been given, Brian is nowhere to be found. Those are the facts. Since then there's been a lot of conjecture that Brian could have written a bridge but there is no evidence to support it. It's just people guessing. So if we want to actually deal with the facts that are available, then we can only conclude at this point that Brian had nothing to do with writing that song.

wouldn't it be funny if ALL songs by the Beach boys since  the very beginning were written by the Mob and the Wilson "family" were really in the maffia and Murry was a Mob boss..Dennis was planning on telling the world the truth before the "accident" and Landy was a CIA informant trying to get info from Brian,Carl ended up in the witness protection program and the East meets west song is a clue about the east side maffia (4 seasons)vs the west side maffia (BB)?  :p

 :lol

You laugh but it wouldn't be hard to convince the crazy Paul is Dead crowd that that's true.

Eric, Downtown Vegas has some great old hotels, The El Cortez being one.  I used to say at there whenever I went to Vegas, because of its  "old timey" vibe.  Owned by Jackie Gaughan.  Haven't been there in years and years and years tho'.

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By now this thread may be seen as historic.

I mean, there's this single that no one has heard. There was speculation on the basis fo some interview quotes. On who wrote it. On when it actually was written and composed. We got to 10 pages by now and there certainly will be more. There was, um, 'an incident'. A poster got banned. We did extensive research on the antics and whereabouts of the Mob, in Las Vegas and elsewhere. We are none the wiser.

And the Hoffmen have a field day, I tells ya.

'Historic' doesn't half describe it...

This just in.............
The name of the new album is going to be "Hums Of Hitler", featuring a newly penned Brian Wison-Mike Love anti-semitic ballad and a suite loosely based on the life of Heinrich Himmler.........more details soon

Can we make a documentary or movie about this thread?

Demented flaming is long-running feature of BB sites, especially those involving Smile. Even the ol' Smile Shop board had its occasional (and sometimes rather worrying) freak-outs.  Music is a passionate subject, and it's always going to attract people who take it too far. But if you think this board is somehow going downhill, then you really need to look at other user generated content sites more often. It's a veritable oasis of civility here. The occasional flame should be an opportunity to remind us of the value of this one, and hopefully, to take care to keep posting responsibly. The knowledge base is too valuable to get scattered again. :old

Can I play the part of Murry?

 ;D

If you're so desperate to work on a fake mixing console, yes.

I don't think we should stop there… I think it's time we started to speculate on the lyrics.

See, I get this feeling that there'll be something about surf in there, possibly listening to a radio on the beach, with bikini-clad surfer girls oiling themselves up… while the singer sings about parking his woodie somewhere real discreet…

YUCK!  I hate this song already – it's so clichéd, predictable and, frankly, sleazy. I can't believe they've recorded this.  I'm gonna burn my BBs CDs tonight, includin' all the bootlegs what I don't own…

Yeah, I can well see why you hate it. It is the BBs by numbers. And I especially detest that line about Christmas On Kokomo.

Regardless of Brian's contribution to the song, it's still reasonable to conclude that this is a very industry-driven, written-by-committee tune, so therefore it's a lot less exciting in terms of anticipating a new original Beach Boys song, whatever potential it still has as a performance or a production.

Erm...... so, getting back to the actual song "That's Why God Made The Radio" .

Has anyone heard the old country song called "You're the Reason God Made Oklahoma" by David Frizzell (brother of Lefty)?  Real nice tune.  I wonder if it was an inspiration?

Also "That's why god made Mexico"…   seems to be a few songs that take that starting point…

I have actually 'written' this song in my head, strangely enough. I keep toying with the idea of actually figuring out what I'm hearing, but I'm not near a musical instrument atm..... but it sounds good to me - lyrics like Add Some Music with soft verses and a stomping chorus. Am I going mad?  :lol

So what was the reason for God to make the radio, then?

To allow Kokomo to reach #1 on the charts.

 :lol

Your going crazy, in 45 years they will release "The Hypehat Sessions" ;D

Speak for yourself.  :)

Given the co-writers involved, I'd guess it dates back to the Imagination period, or maybe slightly after, as with "GIOMH" (the recording thereof, of course).

The thread certainly did take an odd, odd turn.  Usually, when you start seeing posts referencing Neville Chamberlain (on a, um, a Beach Boys board), that means things are getting wacky........

SO, now we are back to speculating about. Not. A. Whole. Lot.

But that's ok!

Cos this whole Celebration thing is gonna knock our socks through the roof!

 :hat

Man, I rarely feel like putting someone down, but this post was unfunny, unnecessary, annoying and plain boring. So there!

Yeah, what the hell?  That was a complete Michael Richards moment there.

Really, this board needs moderators!

That, or Billy C.  >:D

God made a lot of things, didn't he?

The Universe Is Large. It's Probably The Largest Thing We Know

(Kurt Vonnegut)

"Space," it says, "is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mindbogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space, listen..."

AGD corrected me. I can now die in peace...

God made boobies.  :bow

His greatest achievement. Although...

Meow.

So, when could be the release date of the single? Sometime in late May ahead of the album?

I like the points of reference so far - something along the lines of Imagination meets Add Some Music, with Sunflower-era production sensibilities, and you can colour me happy. I don't like much BB-stuff from that late-80s/early 90s era, but I looooves me some Imagination. I almost like the heavy tinsel production....

It was a reference to Vintages' ramblings.
If you don't have a sense of humor, that's your problem.

Paul Simon has a song called "That´s why god made the movies"... just saying!

Looks like Heinrich Rudolph Hertz first demonstrated the existance of radio waves with Gugliemo Marconi developing it and Nikola Tesla getting the first patent for a radio transmitter.
I wonder if these guys are mentioned in the lyrics. ;D

"Don't worry Mr. Tesla. We'll get your radio goin'." :P

No, it simply wasn't funny

Does anybody remember the deleted and creepy nazi beach boys song thread that Ghost made?...

Rolling Stone has a segment titled "Spring Music Preview." Here is what it has to say.

The Beach Boys - Album title to be determined. Release - June
"It's a sentimental thing for me," Brian Wilson says of the Beach Boys' first all-new studio LP in decades. "We've been together 50 years-that's a long time." Since reuniting last year, the surviving members have recorded more than a dozen new tunes at L.A.'s Ocean Way studios - where they cut "Good Vibrations" and much of Pet Sounds in the sixties. Expect lots of big harmonies and familiar subjects on songs like the mellow rocker "Beaches in Mind" and the nostalgic ballad "That's Why God Made the Radio."
"Conceptually, the album is not going to be anything outlandish like Smiley Smile - it will be like the Beach Boys circa '65," adds Mike Love. "I'm trying to write lyrics that fit the music without making it sound like you're writing from a hospice."

Old news, but thanks anyway.  ;) And welcome to the board!

...........magic transistor radio............

Nazi Beach Boys song? You mean "Never Learn Not to Love"? Chorus: "I'm your kind, I'm your kinda Nazi..."

Maybe this should be filed under Misheard Lyrics...

I wonder if nostalgic ballad means it's something like "do you remember" or "sprit of rock n roll"

I stopped reading ramblings a long time ago, so I didn't get the reference. But even if I had gotten it, I'd still agree with bgas. In fact I do have several senses of humor, but not the one about connecting random people with Hitler and Nazis. Making fun of the Nazis, that's ok.

I remember one where he argued that the beach boys were gay.  ;D

The Mob can put all the money they want behind this song, doesn't matter, the Beach Boys are NOT going to have a hit single in 2012. Radio does not play new music by bands of old guys. Sheesh, the reunited Beatles even had trouble getting their new recordings played on radio back in 95/96. If there's one band the world would stop for, it is the Fab Four. If this was 1989, yeah, no problem. Things were much different back then, much of pop culture was still in love with the 60's. Today, if people wanna hear oldies, they're talking 80's/90's, maybe as far back as 1975. I am hoping the BB's make a good album artistically. I have no illusions about them being able to compete with Adele, Taylor Swift, or the new crop of boy bands.

Yeah, I'm the same way.  I know it's overdone.  I know it's all processed.  I don't care.  I love it. 

Hi and welcome. Reading that, I think I would be absolutely delighted if those 'big harmonies' would scale just those special 'BBs Peaks' where the spine tingles and the goosebumps appear. You know: that blend. Although Denny and Carl aren't there, I am sure that with the current team they'll be able to get very, very close, and God will provide inspiration. The Big Guy knows when he's being channeled...

Awsome post, Don.  :)

Thanks, Jay, mucho appreciated!

Why?

I will never understand this mindset. It's akin to picking up a $20 bill on the street and burning it.
There has got to be some sort of supernatural reason why this band squanders every single incredible opportunity it's ever been given.

You really expect them, at age 70, to record an album like Smiley Smile?

 :lol of course! There is no shame in oldsters lying in an empty pool, smoking dope, and harmonizing merrily away! Get hip, dude!

Well, maybe Smiley Smile reminds him too much of old age...wanting to be around vegetables, and indeed, to chow down on vegetables. Increasingly difficult with false teeth.  Hankering for a little pad in Hawaii...it's an advert for Saga waiting to happen. Been in this town so long that back in the city I've been taken for a lost and gone...it wasn't a teenage symphony to god, it's was a pensioner's!

Every great opportunity? Like, was the world clamouring for another Smiley Smile? Have the band been having sleepless nights over the fact they may not be able to reunite, smoke $5000 worth of hash and f*ck about with a Baldwin organ in Brian's house once more? Making another album like Smiley Smile would be akin to finding a £20 note on the street and drawing sunglasses on the Queen before making it into a paper plane and divebombing lollipop ladies with it. That is, nonsense. Like Smiley Smile.

And how is wanting to make records sound like the most artistically AND commercially rich period in the entire 50 years of the group a bad thing?

Heroes & Viagras
Vegetables
Falls Over, Breaks a Leg, and Back to Bed (The Would-he-keep-his-Pecker-up Symphony)
We're All Going Bald
Little Incontinence Pad
Good Valiums
Wash Me Tonight
Wind.
Gettin' Grey
Whistle Out


(I'm sure the usual wags can do better!)

Senior smiley is genius :lol

That was one were he thankfully got banned. 8)

:lol this post made my day!

Truth. :smokin

No news?

I've been away. I would read back over the last 5 pages, but quite frankly can't be bothered. Can anyone condense it, beginning with Paco, and ending in Baldwin, into a manageable soundbite for me?

In need of a caterer?

No, a carer maybe.

Actually, you just summed it all up pretty well yourself!

 :lol

That's exactly the point... I don't expect them to. Not because they can't, but because they're either lazy or unwilling even though it's much easier than it sounds. Imagine if Mike Love said:
The hype train would turn on full blast. It's not like this band has ever gone back to that phase, so there's no telling what could come out of it. The mere premise of "let's ditch the surf and go back to psychedelia!" would automatically save the album from being forgotten in time, as the fate of Summer In Paradise. The entire project would instantly turn into a very interesting and lasting piece of music history, and could potentially fix The Beach Boys reputation if done perfectly.

This is not 1965. You don't need to write a verse/chorus/verse/chorus/bridge song to be successful. I don't care if they're 200-years-old, they can still write and record music. It's an unbelievable shame to spend time recording an album in 2012 only to do things you already achieved fifty years ago when you had nothing but three guitars and a drum set.

Really, all I'm asking for them to do with their last album ever is to make it relevant to the year it was recorded in. Who knows, maybe they might have fun recording a fine product and leaving behind no regrets?

I really wish they would just tell Brian record whatever you want. I wonder if he has total artistic freedom and doesn't want to exercise it or if he had an inspiration to do something weird they'd say it wasn't the style they wanted.

No. 1, we don't know it's their last album ever.

No. 2, what would make any Beach Boys album relevant to 2012? Songs about the GOP primary? Rapping? Grizzly Bear producing? I mean, the whole reason they're doing this is because it's the group's 50th anniversary. Some amount of retrospection comes with the territory, surely.

No. 3, it seems like they had a good time making the album, they seem to think it's quality work. We'll see soon enough.


Brian does record whatever he wants. Whether or not any record label is willing to release it is another question. No one would release the Paley sessions. No one would release the rest of his sessions with Scotty B. post-TLOS. The material has been recorded. The demand has not been there since the 70s (Brian's solo work, with a couple of exceptions, does not sell. No Beach Boys album, again with a couple of exceptions, has sold well since the 1960s).

What does that mean? If Brian's music is to be released, it has to be tailored to a specific project with specific goals. It may suck, but he and his people have been unwilling to embrace indie labels or online distribution for his weirder, personal music. So we get mainstream pop.

This is just pure speculation, but I think the group's negative reaction to Brian's production on 15 Big Ones and Love You created a lack of confidence that still lasts to this day. I don't know if even Brian himself would take total artistic freedom had it been given to him.

How high are you right now?

The album didn't really do a heck of a lot for their standing back in the day, and I can't see it being an exercise they'd wish to repeat, even now.  Remember, these were drug-addled, generally inferior versions of songs from an album that had already been ditched.  The BBs todays aren't retrospective-glory-obsessed fans, they're the actual, physical, real, touch-em-and-squeal blokes who went through that bad trip.

So they should make a record that is relevant to 2012, and also make a psychedelic album? Psychedelic music hasn't been in the popular eye since (at a stretch) the 80's in Britain (Spacemen 3, JAMC, Loop, and stuff), and certainly was never 'pop' outside of 1967 - 1970.

Also, the bolded section - read it again, spot the difference, and see if the meaning has changed a great deal or not.  ;D

The thing is though, Smiley Smile, Friends, and Sunflower all sold poorly upon release, but they've done so much for the band in the long term.

"Long term" probably isn't on their minds much these days…  I suspect they'd rather have their last bout of success in 2012…

I won't deny that, but then Today! and Summer Days have also enjoyed that same distance too. Hell, most of The Beach Boy's music is getting understood nowadays.

I just get riled when people go 'Brian can still be psychedelic, maaaan', because he was the dorkiest guy in 60's LA and now he's a pensioner.... but he can still be hip, maaaan. Get real.

It's almost like - to get this great song, that was the cost, and it's become inseparable from the experience.

Someone...understands!

:drunks

Au contraire...spiritualized were quite a big deal until early 2000s, there was that bizarre mid-90s phase when Kula Shaker inexplicably surfaced with patently psychedelic nonsense (catchy tunes tho), the Flaming Lips and Mercury Rev had that great run in the early 2000s, Smile, fer crimeny's sake, was rampant in 2004-5, and there are pschedelic lo-fi folk troupes and nu gaze groups all over the UK and North America. And that's not even counting electronic interpretations. Psychedelia refuses to die. That doesn't mean the BBs should do it, necessarily, but they played and are playing a big part in its ongoing success, so it would be great to hear one or two tracks on the new album tip the hat to that.

Bring Back the Baldwin!

You're right, of course! I knew that was a bit iffy when I posted it. It's still not 'pop' (as in, massive-selling records in the popular conscience, which is what Kappa is saying), though. The Flaming Lips get closest to selling tonnes of records, and they've even gone back to it with the 6 hour and 24 hour songs. Modern psych rules though - you listened to Wooden Shjips?

Smiley Smile isn't typical psychedelic music, too. The 13th Floor Elevators it ain't.... more akin to sunshine pop, but it's still too weird/underproduced. It is the sound of a great bunch of singers goofing around with a few instruments. It's brilliant! But hard to reproduce.

I hadn't heard of Wooden Shjips, but am just checking 'em out...I like what I hear. Big fan of Thrill Jockey bands, so no surprises there, thanks for the tip.

I'm a fan of Besnard Lakes and Black Mountain (heavier end of the psychedelia thing) tho. Check those fine canucks out...

The examples you cite just show how broad a church psychedelia is...Smiley is enormously influential in certain segments of new psychedelia, particularly the folk offshoots. It's still in the psych camp,  and I think all the more so because it's so uncompromising and unique.

Hypehat already made the best point here. 60s psychedelic music stopped being relevant with the release of The Band's Music From Big Pink.

I've said this already but the best hope for this album is not to go for a "Today! sound" or a "Pet Sounds sound" or a "Sunflower sound" but to try and make an album that years from now people will call a "New album sound" (insert title for "New Album").

Let's face it. Whatever they do, there are people on here who are going to hate it, and criticise it, no matter what it sounds like.

Personally I feel lucky to be getting anything from the reunited Beach Boys.

I don't think that's true. Everybody has certain expectations and that's understandable.

It's happened with every BW release. There were people who hated BWPS on principle.

And yes, it is about expectation.

Well, not everyone, including fans, have to like every release. And if people don't like the idea of a project, I think that's fair enough. Form is as important as content.

Absolutely. And as much as I respect peoples opinions, I find it a shame that most of the posts about this album seem to be negative. I'm excited as hell about it. I'm also being realistic in my expectations. We're not getting Pet Sounds here.

Agreed. There are expectations that are much more understandable than others.

And like I said earlier, when we were conditioned to believe that this particular standout song was written by Brian, and then found out that it was written by other people and not him, it did  understandably take the wind out of someone's sails. Naturally, it would be exciting to find out there's a new great Beach Boys record but what if you were told that while this is a new great Beach Boys record, most of the work, including the vocals, was done by outsiders. But, you know, the music is still great! Well, that's not the case here but imagine such a hypothetical situation. It would be deflating.

It's not real negativity, simply realistic anticipation.  Cautious optimism. The excitement of those with many years' experience of the way the BBs handle things.

This is my hope too. I hate when people say "Ooh, mellow? Hope it sounds just like Friends" "Mike said it's got a '65 vibe, another Today!" Why does the new album have to sound exactly like an album they did 30 or 40 years ago? Let's hear what they have to bring to the table now. Pressure to sound like songs or albums past holds them back creatively. For me the sub-par parts of any BB related solo project are when they are clearly trying to recreate the sound of their younger selves.

My guess is it'll sound somewhat like MIU crossed with TLOS crossed with Summer in Paradise.

Damn that's an ugly baby.

At least something "outlandish" like Smiley Smile would at least be more interesting then the sun surf sand I'm sure we'll be stuck with hearing.

The MAFIA is involved with Jim Peterik (Eye of the Tiger and now this new song). We will be getting
Fewer Pet Sounds and more Mob Sounds - less "How Deep is The Ocean"
And more "Sleepin' With the Fishes,"

This is no joke. At the age of 34, I found myself in Jim Peterik's
RV in back of a Checkers/Rallys location in North Carolina,
He asked me "how my health was" and demanded
Protection money (supposedly for a Checkers
Champ burger I was eating, but I read
Between the lines).

Anyway, what are the odds the boys sing a new song at the Dodger Stadium?

Probably just the national anthem and hits. Probably won't hear anything new until the single is released.

Slim?  I doubt the best place to unveil a new song is in front of a stadium of baseball fans waiting to see their favorite baseball team play the first game of the season.

And this is why
I love this board

Not a chance, it's god save the queen then 1 song, probably good vibes or something

That's  fair, but Brian digs the same sounds, it would seem - BW's  band have often mentioned that they will use, idk, the bass harmonica during initial jams for songs and BW responds positively. It ends up sounding that way because Brian likes it. TLOS, for example.

And, Al's solo CD. I would not mind at all if the new BB's album sounds like that. It's a really nice sounding record.

Even the BB's biggest stylistic departures still have the same few basic elements - Block harmonies, or a layered production, or the pounding piano chords, or compositional madness. Love You, the disco HCTN, Smiley Adult/Child.... The beach boys have a sound which has, depending on the basic material, more or less had the same constants. And they probably have more or less the same sounds to bring to the table now.

Absolutely!

However (haha - I'm sure you knew that was coming) that even though you could probably play all their albums to the most casual listener and they'd most likely clue in at some point that it's The Beach Boys, there is nevertheless a good reason why we can say, "I'd like it to sound like Today!" or "I'd like it to sound like Pet Sounds!" or Smile, or Friends, or Holland, and so on. Like any of the greatest bands, many of the Beach Boys albums (the best ones) have a stamp of personal individuality. We can say something like "That Surf's Up sound" because they are so unique. What would be great is if they made an album that likewise carried its own individual sound.

Yeah, that's true. I am fairly tired and have had a few pints, but whilst it varies from record to record - Surf's Up sounds completely different to CATP, say - they still sound like Beach Boys records.

Of course, they should go for whatever the songs seem to demand. I just, idk, don't want them to try so hard? Saying 'WE ARE GOING TO MAKE IT LIKE IT'S 1967/1977/1961/whatever' is demeaning to the current record. That said, Mike going 'it sounds like 1965' makes a lot of sense, because Brian's production and arrangement nous seems to be about there, if the Gershwin record and TLOS are anything to go by. But striving for it is not right.

I'm rambling. Should sleep.  :lol

Who sings lead on TWGMR?  Hasn't more info leaked out yet?  AGD probably knows.

It's a ballad according to Rolling Stone.  I'm expecting a heavy harmony song, like surfer girl and in my room; brian is the lead, but everyone is singing so prevalent on it.  MY GUESS.

I don't think Mike's comment was, "We're striving to sound exactly as we did in '65," but more, "The album's turning out to sound similar to a '65 Beach Boys album." If I had to liken Brian's most recent original effort, TLOS, to anything in Brian's past, it'd probably be Today! or Summer Days. Makes sense that Mike would liken it to stuff they were doing in '65.

Expecting a group of 70 year olds to push the envelope as they did much earlier in their career is absolutely silly. I think the goal here is to write and record good, timeless songs. To go out on a higher, more tasteful note than the very confused 90s albums, and to do so as a group.

Yawn. That was a few pages old.

There will never ever be anything close Smiley Smile again....

SurferGirl7 loves to belittle people
Because she is
an unpleasant person
And she does not like Boots's creativity
Because she is boring
And most probably
Jealous.

Yes, the Beach Boys are going to be singing God Save the Queen at a baseball game in California.

Ahahaaaahahahaaaa, could you imagine?! The ultimate 'Hello Cleveland!' moment :lol

Several tracks discussed Brian, Mike and Al in the upcoming Spring 2012 edition of Endless Summer Quarterly.

Don't worry, not too rambley. I think those of us discussing this now are on the same page. Working in a way that's familiar and comfortable is okay and could potentially produce the best results. It's the striving for it - going out of their way to emulate parts of their past - that would be unfavorable, for me at least.

Nah, she's right on the money. It was not only done a few pages before, but it was sides-splitting funny........the first time.
OTOH, i'd say Iron Horse Apples is drifting into Vintagemusic territory................

Not really. I was merely saying I liked his poem. That didn't warrant a dismissive, catty remark. To be honest my life's not great at the moment. I want to come on here as a little escape. I genuinely find it hurtful when someone throws a nasty remark my way. Civility doesn't cost much. If you don't like someone's post, or find it yawn inducing. Ignore it. It's not hard.

And saying I'm "drifting into VintageMusic terrotory" What's that about? A threat? An attempt to ostracise me? For what exactly?

There are some great people on this board. Some are knowledgeable. Some are funny. Some are so clever it hurts my head. It's the small minority of mean spirited, scornful  people on here that bring this board down.

Be nice, really, life's too short.

Thanxx for the accolades, I like you too!

Thank you, good sir. I tried to bring some humor back because the thread was flagging again, but I see from other posters that it was not appreciated. To them, I can only say... You're all lucky that I'm not mob connected.

By "vintagemusic territory"  I meant over-reaction. And your post was anything but "nice". I caught the same treatment myself a page or 2 back. And as off-the-wall as Vintagemusic seemed at times, I believe he was  targeted as well. It doesn't justify hiss over-reactive and offensive posts, but the guy was sh*t upon uneccessarily, imo.
I don't have any axe to grind with you and I hope you find the peace you are seeking. Have a serene  holiday.

I agree, Vintagemusic was hounded unnecessarily. He was harping on the mob connections which was a bit annoying, but he also was adding to the discussion. Unfortuntely, before any of us could rush to his defense, he showed himself to be a wackjob.

I hope my attempt at humor hasn't caused anyone too much wasted time - I just saw another lull in the thread and figured I'd fill it with my loose-brained nonsense. C'est la vie.

I appreciate all attempts at humor, so my initial comment was out of line in itself. My apologies.

I still thought the mob jokes were funny. The RV part was really funny. :lol

I didn't realize it was you that posted the humorous reference to Hitler and Chamberlain  a few pages back. I laughed hard at that one. It's true that Vintagemusic revealed himself to be a vicious wack-job and your post lightened things up considerably. Hilarious.

Sorry guys I am a little too busy to be dealing with flame wars. People do have lives you know. Iron horse, I'll let you save your ax to grind elsewhere.

That's fine, you just pop up every now and again with your nasty comments. That is all you seem to contribute to this board.

I have no axe to grind.

You stay out of my way, and I'll happily stay out of yours.

Gooood, gooood, gooood, good vibrationnnnssss ::)

You mean the exceptions don't count? :wink

How about this: No Beach Boys album has ever sold good, with a few exceptions, and most of the exceptions were released in the 1960s. ;D

I expect the new album to be better than GIOMH and worse than Pet Sounds. If we're lucky we'll get something nearly as good as TLOS. And I'd love the new album sound like "Today!"

But the best part of it all is that the old boys seem to get along fine at last.

LOL!

Little surfer, little one,
made our thread come all undone.....

Just kidding with you.

+1

This board is a relief to us all. I would hate to think any of us come here with bad intentions, and even though some people turn out to be bigoted skull of Dick Reisings (vintagemusic, for instance), we're all here for the same good reason.

That reason is Mike Love, and all who sail in him.

Surfergirl7, I like your posts and all, but if you claim you don't have the time to deal with 'flame wars', it's probably not a good idea to start needlessly insulting people for harmless jokes.

Just listening to Daves interview. 'Radio' is to be released next week as a single. I'm sure he said Wednesday!

No way? That's AWESOME news. First new Beach Boys track in 20 years .  I think.

Hey guys i've been away for a while did I miss anything? :)

THIS COMING WEEK? OH MAN THAT'S AMAZING!

Release of TWGMTR a day after the Dodger Stadium gig, that makes sense!
Will they perform the song?

I doubt they'll perform it live but I would not be surprised if they played it over the stadium speakers before the game or in between innings. Do we have any LA area fans that will be attending?

Someone's gotta record this show and put it on YouTube asap afterwards!

I wish I could go!!!!
This is great news!!!! I think I'm gonna.....gonna.....................................  :angel:

I haven't bought a single since Kokomo in '88

Looks like this single will be the most silent BB release ever if it really comes out next week. Hard to believe actually.
No official announcements, no preorder options, no updated websites...

Wednesday seems like a funny day for a Single to come out, I always thought it was Monday in the U.K and Tuesday in the U.S?, I think Dave probably means that an announcement will be made, or the single will be sent to radio stations or something.

Ya, I really doubt it will be released next week.

Wow, I'm really excited now

O boy o boy.  Maybe we'll get announcements for album and preview of twgmtr

I don't think the vast majority of singles are even released physically anymore. So Dave could mean any number of things. And it's not like the band is going to be making a play for the charts, anyway. This is purely a promotional device, however it comes out.

I'm way out of touch. So I can't buy this as a physical single?

Nothing has been announced.  But I'd expect maybe a vinyl single

I wonder if they did a deal with iTunes to have a front page feature.

Better start saving up for an iTunes card, nobody here will probably share it.

Someone must have heard this song, is it any good, worthy of a 50th anniversary tour?

I'm picking itunes and also available for radio airplay this week. Would make sense to get a bit of momentum before it probably gets played live at the reunion gigs later this month.

Probyn said it sounds like a hit. And with the current musical competition, I'd say there's a very good chance it does well on the charts. It's not like they have much competition. Too many shite artists releasing crap in today's musical landscape.

And if it's not a hit, you can expect a Summer In Paradise II.

irrelevant.

Listen to her!

This post is detached from reality.

How is that irrelevant? The Beach Boys have become hip again amongst the "indie" or "hipster" crowd, which is a pretty large demographic. If Brian's Disney album can peak at 83 on the Billboard 200 album chart, there's obviously people still interested in the music. More people will be interested in this since it's "Brian Wilson and The Beach Boys" and not a bunch of cover songs from children's movies.

Unless this is some awful, embarrassing song, which it very well may be, (It sounds like a hit to me, even by modern 2012 standards.) there's a very good chance it will do well.

The f*** is that supposed to mean? The single/album are either going to do well, or they're not.

a) The hipster crowd is interested in specific albums, not the Beach Boys as a band in general or the band who recorded numerous surf & car hits. They won't care for a new Beach Boys single, they pretend to care for PET SOUNDS etc.
b) The hipster crowd didn't buy Brian's Disney LP, parents did that to give the CD to their kids. And okay, a few hardcore fans bought it, but Disney makes money with parents. Therefore, the Disney LP is not an indicator for how the Beach Boys reunion album might fare.

The Single on amazon.de:

http://www.amazon.de/Thats-Why-God-Made-Radio/dp/B007Q0OJC2

Of course they're interested in "certain albums." Everybody who listens to music is only interested in "certain albums." If you think that the younger people of today just "pretend to care for Pet Sounds" then you don't know wtf you're talking about. I see and hear their early 70s work mentioned as much, if not more, than Pet Sounds. The period from Summer Days to Love You is what is mentioned the most though, yeah, and somewhere in that sandwich of releases is the one that the new album is apparently supposed to be similar to.

And notice I said "people" when mentioning the Disney album, not "hipsters." Because I'm assuming that you're just assuming that people bought it for their kids not realizing there's several generations who grew up with The Beach Boys and Disney movies. Haven't read a whole lot of reviews that start off with "I bought this for my kids and..."

What about the Gershwin album that made it to 26 on the Billboard top 200? Does that also not matter because "parents just bought it for their convalescing parents because hipsters don't listen to Gershwin?"

"Brian Wilson" and "The Beach Boys" are pretty much synonymous, so if TWO albums of cover songs can do that decent on the charts, I don't see why the first Beach Boys album/single in a couple decades isn't going to do substantially better.

Is there a release date listed on there?

Woah, cool down.

Besides, I didn't know you were talking about the "hipster" culture as young people in general. Which is a mistake, by the way. Hipster culture is a concrete but constricted phenomenon, and its "members" really don't care about the entire discography of the Beach Boys. Trust me. It's even debatable if they're really interested in the stuff they do seem to care about (PET SOUNDS, SMiLE etc.).

Regarding your lines on the Gershwin LP.. dude, I don't know what you're trying to say.


Bottom line: anyone here (including me, of course) would love to see a successful single release - obviously. It's just highly unlikely that a broad audience will notice/care. A broad enough audience to make it a hit, that is. And that's what this argument is all about.

 :) How's this for out of touch - bought the 'Still Cruisin' and '...Japan' 45s in person from a record shop last Sunday - and I paid with cash.

A physical release would be cool, but I'll take whatever comes along!

The album will most likely do well. Top 20, at a minimum. That says more about who's buying albums these days, but still. The single is a promo. I doubt there is a radio format that would play a new song by the BB these days, and that's one of the most important factors for singles chart placement. So everyone cool off and let whatever happens happen.

Either way, hipsters don't buy music.

I think it is remarkable that nothing has leaked yet. We're dying to hear something, to be sure, but someone's doing his job. Just remember that we got to hear BW's last 2 albums about 2 weeks prior to their release date!

Alternatively, it may have leaked, but no-one's saying anything.

Doubt it though, as everything about the C50 seems exceeding tight.

Very!

Even Carrie Marks has been laying low here for a while.

I wonder if David even had the ok to say what he did about the release. Sure hope so.

It's also not two weeks prior to the release of the BB album, either.

As for the hit/no hit question, I could see the album doing well certainly,but I highly doubt a succesful single. Keep in mind that bands like the Eagles and Fleetwood Mac had huge success with reunion tours and albums not long ago but got little or no airplay and saw their singles tank

I agree with both of your points, mostly though I generally agree with your nasty, nauseating hatred of hipsters, LOL.  Me Too!

Yeah, since the main people that will be looking for this are already hardcore fans, instead of like a traditional 'single' release like we've known in the past, this is one of those new fangled 'alright today you can finally download it' single releases... the music industry has changed much over the years and a seasoned band doesn't really have a single 'launch' to promote albums. 

The single has like no chance to be a radio hit nationwide, I bet you Californians will hear it though

^^^I love hipsters because they piss people off for virtually no reason whatsoever.
_____

I can't wait to hear this single!

But dear GOD. Please keep Foskett's falsetto from shadowing over the rest of the vocals.
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I think this is possible, definately.  It's a bit different though because of the timelines...


What it *ALL* comes down to is this: Pop Culture has a lot to do with 'lightning in a bottle'.  You can't straight up compare the Beach Boys favorably or unfavorably to what the Eagles or Fleetwood Mac did; they're different bands, different managers, different marketing strategies, different times....  

You've got three possible outcomes, like you always do with stuff like this:

1. It all bombs.  Nobody goes to the shows, the album doesnt' sell well, nobody plays the single, etc.  I doubt this will happen.  Maybe 10% chance.

2. It all goes well.  Album sells decent; all the shows sell out or close to it; the song gets a little radio play, etc... and everybody makes money.  This will probably be what happens.  85% chance.

3. It goes through the fucking roof... for whatever reason, the song catches on and is a hit.  All the shows sell out and demand is large for another tour.  The album lingers around on the charts for months and months selling and selling and selling, the whole public consciousness of the band in the public's eye goes up, etc.  5% chance that happens.  


You just never know what's going to make a hit, etc.  there were no guarantees they were going to get famous and do well in 1961... but eventually they did, becoming one of the biggest acts of all time, making untold fortunes for untold numbers of people.  Meanwhile the music industry and the record buying public has been very unkind to thousands of musicians and artists who also had a lot of talent, and worked very hard, but never got famous.  

So maybe... just maybe, the pop culture gods will smile on them one more time, and they'll see success nobody could ever dream of... for whatever that strange reason was that it happened in the first place back in the 60's.  



But probably not.  

I could almost say the same thing. Almost. For me, buying a single means trotting down to the nearest record store, and picking up one of those shiny little black discs with big hole in the center.....not downloading a song to my computer. Here's hoping us oldsters get a chance to buy the former this time around.

Last time I bought a single was when Tower Records was going out of business and everything was 70% off. 

We live in the internet age now though, and digital audio stores sell singles. They even design digital album covers for them. What you rarely see anymore is the b-side to a single.

I may be wrong here, and feel free to disagree, but I would think that most Beach Boys fans prefer a physical format rather than a download, and if they don't release the single as vinyl and/or CD then they will be completely disregarding their main market.

I think Capitol knows that and will accommodate fans. I assume there will be a physical printing of a disc or a 7" but maybe not? If it's just a promotional single then they might send copies just to radio stations, though I think most stations are using a digital format.

You say that, but tehre are alot of promo CD's about - Noel Gallagher for instance

It's listed as a CD release on German amazon.

THey usually get out to the general public eventually. I once found a copy of a rare 2002 Wondergirls promo single but didn't buy it and I've regretted it ever since.

If TWGMR is as good as some of the comments would have us believe, they would be crazy if they didn't play the song over the PA system at Dodger Stadium and introduce it to the fans.   

The people in the stadium bought tickets to see the Dodgers play--not The Beach Boys.  These are not "fans."  Any new song being played over the PA wil barely be noticed especially on such a high-energy day as Opening Day.  They would be crazy if they made the first public debut of the song over the PA at a baseball game.

Yeah playing twgmtr on the pa during a baseball game would gain nothing

So are we still supposed to be getting this song on Wednesday?

We are?

According to someone who would know.

I'm almost certain it will get a vinyl release so i'll be looking out for that. 8)

As much as I want it,
I don't know how valid Davids claim is considering we haven't seen anything yet...

It's not uncommon - The single will probably just pop up on iTunes or something tomorrow, if it's to be, with the only fanfare being people noticing it - there's little point drumming up singles nowadays as they're not as important businesswise.

Only thing is, singles don't get released on a wednesday? Maybe he means the song will be put on youtube or soundcloud or something, with an actual release following.

That's what I took it to mean. I think he means the single will be released to radio stations, youtube and tv stations (for the promo video) then after a while we'll get the physical release. Only a few places have it available for pre-order so far so I don't think we'll be seeing a physical release tomorrow.

In my opinion, I don't think it matters when 'singles' are released, they can put out an mp3 online whenever they/Capitol wants.

Still no word on when and where we'll hear this? It's already Wednesday in some parts of the world!

COME ON GUYS.

EVERYONE IN CALIFORNIA SAW YOU ON TV TODAY.

LETS GO.

I'll be updating iTunes all day tomorrow....I can't wait to hear this song and I hope it lives up to the hype!

It's amazing that Brian is still singing harmonies 50 years after he started his band!!

I can't wait any longer!!!

LEGGO!!!

tomorrow would be a real good day.  C'MON PLEEAASE

It would really suck if David was wrong about the release date being tomorrow.

i think he just said this week, but wednesday would be a good day :D

Tomorrow is supposed to be a nice day. I'm going to wait to listen to it until I'm driving then turn the stereo up full blast.  ;D

How long before an album is released does the first single usually hit the airwaves?

Depends on the artist, record label, etc.

Stone Temple Pilots' comeback single was released March 23rdish 2010, and their album was released May 25th 2010.

I full expect and anticipate that we will find out why god made the radio TOMORROW.

YEEESSSS.

The meaning of life in song... I can't wait...

ITS THE

EYE OF THE TIGER

ITS THA THRILL OF THE FIGHT

ITS WHY

GOD MADE THE RADIO OH OHHHHH

Seems kind of odd for it to be randomly released on a Wednesday.  New music usually is put out on Tuesdays (at least in the States).  I'm guessing if it shows up at all today it will be on the official website. 

The only reason to 'release' it on a tuesday though is because in the USA that's when 'soundscan' started their week.  So you would release it on tuesday, so your first week would be a clean week on Soundscan. 

If you're only releasing it online, or better yet as a free download on a website (hint hint) it really doesn't matter what day you release it on. 

OR, if you don't think the song is going to chart very high, or don't CARE what it charts, the day it's released is also irrelevant. 

Sure hope there is a physical single. Took me years to find the Still Cruisin' 45 - just got it a couple months ago at Bop Street, only cost me $4. Probably never will find Somewhere Near Japan, or any later BB's "singles", but thankfully a few of Brian's solo singles have appeared on 45's.  I've got What I Really Want for Christmas, Your Imagination, Midnight's Another Day, Melt Away, Love and Mercy and Let's Go to Heaven in My Car on 45's.

There's at least  one of them being auctioned, right now.   (http://www.ebay.com/itm/THE-BEACH-BOYS-SOMEWHERE-NEAR-JAPAN-P-S-7-45rpm-/160754609447?pt=AU_Records&hash=item256db8ad27#ht_1828wt_922[/url)

Well, Lonely Summer, for a second there I thought you were a really, really unbelievably cool person who somehow had a record player in their car, then I realized that's the full name of the song, lol.

"Melt Away" on 45?  That's pretty cool. 

I have unbelievably high expectations for this song right now! :lol

Nothing showing on itunes, amazon etc thus far, will keep checking.

I'm going to make a guess that it's not going to be for sale right now but some music magazine's website will have a world premiere or whatever. Rolling Stone or Spin. Maybe a physical copy will be available through a music magazine? Who knows.  i don't.

where did the "wednesday release" come from?  i'm pretty sure i poster here said wednesday and everyone took off with it right?

David was interviewed on WFMU last week and he said it. Seeing as it's 1pm here in Blighty and probably no longer Wednesday in some parts of the states, I guess he was not fully in the loop? He also said, iirc, that the album was not quite finished but close, and I guess you wouldn't release a single if the entire project wasn't done and dusted.

wednesday just started here in the states. 7:40 am in texas!  only 5:40 in california

Hoping it's being released to the general public and not just radio stations: I think iTunes usually releases stuff around 1:00EST (10:00AM PST).

i don't think he'd show up on itunes immediately or today.  like stack-o-tracks said, it would be give to music websites first.

Perhaps. Since Brian did that for ITKOD it makes sense.

Damn, I was hoping to put a copy on my iPod today :-\

Idk guys.... We NEED this....


I may have to go cry.
Haaaaaa...

Still waiting for the 7" single TWGMTR/How's Your Health

Haha

Andrew, come on man!! Let us know if we're waiting in vein!!

I think itd be a miracle if it came out today lol