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I'm sure this may have been mentioned already but has anyone noticed the similarity between Tune x off the box set and the beginning of Gee?

"Tune X" officially sounds like every Beach Boys song ever :O

I was wondering if someone would start a thread about Tune X. This is an amazing song. It really should have been developed into a released track. I think it could have been massive and with harmonies on top? Well, that would have been heavenly. Does anyone know if vocals exist for this and if there are any comments on it by the boys?

i would love to see Tune x,teeter totter love,I don't know and three blind mice on youtube so that those who won't be able to get the expensive box set can at least hear them...

Josh, I haven't really listened to the other ones yet but it would be great for someone to put Tune X up. I would hope it would gain a lot of views. I want someone to complete it!

Tune X/Tones and Three Blind Mice have been on bootlegs for a few years now.

so the version "three blind mice" on TSS is the same as the bootlegged? i don't think I have ever heard Tunex on any bootlegs I have owned..

"Tune X" also goes by "Tones" on many, many boots.

love when that guitar kicks in for tune x.  yeah the strings are pretty beatles, but that guitar is so bouncy and fun. 

Anyone know how tune x came to be recorded? Was there studio time that Brian couldnt use for some reason so Carl and Dennis decided to try something with their songs?

buy the single songs over the internet. it'll be no more than $4.

so like its 2011 and people are still asking for things that can be found within 30 seconds of googling

I was curious as to why, instead of letting "Tones/Tune X" break down into studio chatter as the other bonus tracks do, they chose to fade it out?

It's not like the tape's damaged or anything; bootleg copies just let it run its course.

With "I Don't Know" being in the same key and similar tempo I am surprised nobody has mixed the 2 together yet and posted that. I would right now but I have to go to work.

Don't buy lossy music imo.

Or listen to it on youtube....

Anything other than being in a room with players is "lossy."

....seriously?  ::) ::)

What's frustrating is it seems like it was developed further. What we have is just what was recorded the 1st day (March 3)...there were two further days of sessions logged as Tune X--one of which was a vocal session. Odd that apparently no one remembers anything about the song. I agree, it is amazing. I'm deeply curious what was intended for it.

Props to Mark and Alan for getting this (and I Don't Know) on this set!

lol

In my opinion, Tones, I Don't Know, and parts of With Me Tonight all sound very similar. I can also hear occasional traces of Mona Kani, and Stevie, oddly enough.

How 'bout Wake the World?

Sounds to me like an ancestor of "Long Promised Road," especially on the choruses.  Carl sometimes referred to LPR as the first song he ever wrote.

I never thought about that Dan, but I can definitely hear it now. I can almost put the words of the chorus of Long Promised Road to the "up tempo" part of Tones/Tune X. Funny how something can be so obvious that it completely goes over your head.  ;D

Yeah, not bad for an old f*rt like me.

I think this has great potential. It would be quite amazing if there was a bit more work, I don't know, what do you think?

Tune X Instrumental mashed with Little Pad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHAf8zavRG8

I wanted to put the original tracks but someone made a great cover, much better quality (it's not mine)

Someone did a proper mashup of the original tracks and there was a ton of quite a few in certain spots. This one modifies the chords etc. to make it work, just as someone could do with several other Beach Boys songs that sound similar but are otherwise unrelated. I really don't think this one is a case of Brian re-using old musical elements - "Little Pad" is total Smiley Smile-era, from everything we've heard.

But doesn't Carl share a writing credit on Little Pad?

Yeah he modified some chords but the harmony and the melody are all the same, he just transposed the vocal parts to fit the instrumental. When a simple transposition is the only modification to make two different songs blend almost perfectly together, I would be tempted to think it's not only a simple coincidence. The other mash up version had the instrumental pitch-shifted, whereas here the instrumental has not been touched and instead the singer (pretty good singer actually!) changed the vocal part.

My guess (with a little reserve) is that Tune X ma have been Brianized for the SS Sessions...
 

WHAT?

The most damning evidence, really. You can cite Mike getting screwed out of credits, but this came to light later on, as did several other instances of incorrect credits. Never any claims of, "Yeah, Carl wrote the basis of 'Little Pad' but wasn't given credit," though.

Dissonance! Tons of dissonance. Derp. Not any kind of interesting dissonance, either, just dissonance.


It's more than that.

not sure why you're so opposed to the possibility of these two songs being closely related. Tune X was recorded in March of '67, Little Pad in June.

it sounds to me like Brian took the elements of Tune X and embellished them a bit. He gave it a melody and some extra chords but left the basic structure intact. He ended up with a song that was very similar, but unique enough to negate a co-writing credit for Carl.

or perhaps Little Pad was a subconscious reworking by Brian similar to what George Harrison did with My Sweet Lord.