The Smiley Smile Message Board
Welcome,
Guest
. Please
login
or
register
.
1 Hour
1 Day
1 Week
1 Month
Forever
Login with username, password and session length
If you like this message board, please help with the hosting costs!
680898
Posts in
27619
Topics by
4067
Members - Latest Member:
Dae Lims
May 06, 2024, 01:47:57 AM
The Smiley Smile Message Board
|
Smiley Smile Stuff
|
General On Topic Discussions
|
Who wrote Holy Man?
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
« previous
next »
Pages:
[
1
]
Author
Topic: Who wrote Holy Man? (Read 4251 times)
Jay
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 5985
Who wrote Holy Man?
«
on:
April 21, 2009, 11:59:57 PM »
I know that Dennis probably wrote and/or arranged the melody, but what about the lyrics? Did any lyrics exist when Carl recorded a rough guide vocal?
Logged
A son of anarchy surrounded by the hierarchy.
Jason
Guest
Re: Who wrote Holy Man?
«
Reply #1 on:
April 22, 2009, 12:22:55 AM »
Gregg Jakobson wrote the lyrics but they're of recent vintage according to the man himself - I don't know if lyrics existed in '75 when it was tracked. For some reason Taylor Hawkins got a credit, perhaps Mr. Stebbins or Mr. Roach can enlighten us.
Logged
Jay
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 5985
Re: Who wrote Holy Man?
«
Reply #2 on:
April 22, 2009, 12:30:43 AM »
I was wondering if Taylor Hawkins wrote any of the lyrics. Do you think anybody would have "allowed" him to, considering the background on who it was, and the historical significance of it?
Logged
A son of anarchy surrounded by the hierarchy.
mikeyj
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 1825
Re: Who wrote Holy Man?
«
Reply #3 on:
April 22, 2009, 12:37:23 AM »
Well Jakobson has said that the only lyrics that existed back then were "holy man can". And I think I remember reading that when Carl recorded his rough lead he was just humming the melody or something? Not sure where I read that exactly. Taylor has stated that there was a Dennis vocal track but that he erased it.
«
Last Edit: April 22, 2009, 12:41:28 AM by mikeyj
»
Logged
Jay
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 5985
Re: Who wrote Holy Man?
«
Reply #4 on:
April 22, 2009, 12:41:17 AM »
Quote from: mikeyj on April 22, 2009, 12:37:23 AM
Taylor has stated that there was a Dennis vocal track but that he erased it.
Oh. My. God.
Logged
A son of anarchy surrounded by the hierarchy.
MBE
Guest
Re: Who wrote Holy Man?
«
Reply #5 on:
April 22, 2009, 12:54:41 AM »
I really doubt that.
Logged
shelter
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 2201
Re: Who wrote Holy Man?
«
Reply #6 on:
April 22, 2009, 12:58:10 AM »
Yeah, like they would allow a guest singer to just erase a historic recording for no reason at all...
Logged
mikeyj
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 1825
Re: Who wrote Holy Man?
«
Reply #7 on:
April 22, 2009, 01:09:26 AM »
Quote from: shelter on April 22, 2009, 12:58:10 AM
Yeah, like they would allow a guest singer to just erase a historic recording for no reason at all...
Well maybe I didn't make it clear, but I assume Taylor was meaning that DENNIS erased it back in whatever year it was. I'm still with MBE, I doubt it, but who knows?
Logged
mikeyj
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 1825
Re: Who wrote Holy Man?
«
Reply #8 on:
April 22, 2009, 01:10:47 AM »
Here's his quote by the way,
Quote
I guess they tried some lyrics and didn’t like ’em. There was a Dennis vocal track but he erased it, just said "I’m gonna f***ing erase it!" He was a big dude and you didn’t f*** with Dennis.
Article:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/sftw/article1315082.ece
Logged
urbanite
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 863
Re: Who wrote Holy Man?
«
Reply #9 on:
April 22, 2009, 05:40:38 AM »
Seems very incongruent mentioning the word holy and Dennis Wilson in the same sentence.
Logged
shelter
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 2201
Re: Who wrote Holy Man?
«
Reply #10 on:
April 22, 2009, 06:42:25 AM »
Quote from: mikeyj on April 22, 2009, 01:09:26 AM
Well maybe I didn't make it clear, but I assume Taylor was meaning that DENNIS erased it back in whatever year it was.
In that case I read it wrong, sorry.
Logged
mikeyj
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 1825
Re: Who wrote Holy Man?
«
Reply #11 on:
April 22, 2009, 06:58:41 AM »
Quote from: shelter on April 22, 2009, 06:42:25 AM
In that case I read it wrong, sorry.
Don't be sorry, just a misunderstanding.
Logged
Jon Stebbins
Honored Guest
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 2635
Re: Who wrote Holy Man?
«
Reply #12 on:
April 22, 2009, 07:48:13 AM »
If there was a Dennis vocal that's news to me...I think Taylor's mistaken about that. Dennis did erase a lot of things that's for sure. Carl's humm of the melody was barely there on tape...just minimal, nothing serious. Kalinich submitted a lyric set for it back in '75 but it was never recorded. Gregg said he'd worked on a partial lyric back then too, and Dennis didn't like it. Dennis put the song aside. Hanlon was the person who was really a big fan of this song and wanted it unearthed. Everybody agreed it was a gem, and that the track by itself should be released. As an experiment in '07 Gregg wrote a new lyric, more of a poem actually. Taylor who is Gregg's friend was brought in to take a crack at singing it...again an experiment. He changed Gregg's lyric around to fit Dennis' music. He did maybe two takes. We all thought it sounded great, so that version was put on the Legacy disc as well.
Logged
c-man
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 4941
Re: Who wrote Holy Man?
«
Reply #13 on:
April 22, 2009, 07:59:50 PM »
Gregg said (in ESQ) that back in the '70s, in addition to Steve K. and himself, Carl and Jim Dutch had each taken a crack at writing lyrics, but they all got tossed.
Logged
Bean Bag
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 1177
Right?
Re: Who wrote Holy Man?
«
Reply #14 on:
April 22, 2009, 08:15:55 PM »
Well, however it happened -- it's one of those moments that inspire poetry.
Dennis Wilson. Holy man. That's an amazing track. Even in its instrumental version, it has a lyric. It almost
is
Dennis Wilson.
Logged
409.
Jonas
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 1923
I've got the Beach Boys, my friends got the Stones
Re: Who wrote Holy Man?
«
Reply #15 on:
April 22, 2009, 08:18:06 PM »
I did
Logged
We would like to record under an atmosphere of calmness. - Brian Wilson
--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1IgXT3xFdU
Dove Nested Towers
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 877
Goodnight, Mrs. Calabash, wherever you are!
Re: Who wrote Holy Man?
«
Reply #16 on:
April 22, 2009, 09:54:37 PM »
Get OUT!
Logged
"The police aren't there to create disorder,
they're there to preserve disorder!" -Mayor
Daly, Chicago 1968
Jason
Guest
Re: Who wrote Holy Man?
«
Reply #17 on:
April 22, 2009, 10:49:02 PM »
Quote from: Bean Bag on April 22, 2009, 08:15:55 PM
Dennis Wilson. Holy man. That's an amazing track. Even in its instrumental version, it has a lyric. It almost
is
Dennis Wilson.
That might be the best description of this track I've ever read. It really does sound like Dennis laying himself out on tape.
Logged
busy doin nothin
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 209
Re: Who wrote Holy Man?
«
Reply #18 on:
April 23, 2009, 09:24:20 AM »
Quote from: The Real Beach Boy on April 22, 2009, 10:49:02 PM
Quote from: Bean Bag on April 22, 2009, 08:15:55 PM
Dennis Wilson. Holy man. That's an amazing track. Even in its instrumental version, it has a lyric. It almost
is
Dennis Wilson.
That might be the best description of this track I've ever read. It really does sound like Dennis laying himself out on tape.
Yes, love that description. Holy Man is fodaing incredible! One of the best tracks I have ever heard. I actually even like the Taylor Hawkins version.
Does anyone else feel that part of the melody for "Moonshine" was recycled from Holy Man? Especially the part "You said you loved me now in another way, oh in another way." (In the Hawkins version of Holy Man, it's the part where he sings "the one you love is everywhere, he is everywhere, and you can follow.")
The outro to Holy Man may be the best 1:30 of music ever recorded by anyone, anywhere.
Logged
"Your rent bill is high, so you work to try and get by . . . "
TonyW
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 609
Re: Who wrote Holy Man?
«
Reply #19 on:
April 23, 2009, 01:52:09 PM »
The Taylor Hawkin's version of Holy Man is outstanding, I include it as part on "my" Bambu track list. I would really like Hawkins to be given the chance to do vocals for the reported backing track for "I've Got A Friend" - perhaps including the two on a "singles" release.
Logged
Sam_BFC
Smiley Smile Associate
Online
Gender:
Posts: 1077
Re: Who wrote Holy Man?
«
Reply #20 on:
April 23, 2009, 03:21:34 PM »
What became of Queen's Holy Man??
Sam
Logged
"..be cautious, don't get your hopes up, look over your shoulder because heartbreak and darkness are always ready to pounce"
petsoundsnola
Jay
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 5985
Re: Who wrote Holy Man?
«
Reply #21 on:
April 23, 2009, 07:42:17 PM »
Quote from: Jon Stebbins on April 22, 2009, 07:48:13 AM
If there was a Dennis vocal that's news to me...I think Taylor's mistaken about that. Dennis did erase a lot of things that's for sure. Carl's humm of the melody was barely there on tape...just minimal, nothing serious. Kalinich submitted a lyric set for it back in '75 but it was never recorded. Gregg said he'd worked on a partial lyric back then too, and Dennis didn't like it. Dennis put the song aside. Hanlon was the person who was really a big fan of this song and wanted it unearthed. Everybody agreed it was a gem, and that the track by itself should be released. As an experiment in '07 Gregg wrote a new lyric, more of a poem actually. Taylor who is Gregg's friend was brought in to take a crack at singing it...again an experiment. He changed Gregg's lyric around to fit Dennis' music. He did maybe two takes. We all thought it sounded great, so that version was put on the Legacy disc as well.
Thanks for the info.
Logged
A son of anarchy surrounded by the hierarchy.
Dove Nested Towers
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 877
Goodnight, Mrs. Calabash, wherever you are!
Re: Who wrote Holy Man?
«
Reply #22 on:
April 24, 2009, 12:35:05 AM »
Quote from: Sam_BFC on April 23, 2009, 03:21:34 PM
What became of Queen's Holy Man??
Sam
I heard that it's tied up in rights disputes.
Logged
"The police aren't there to create disorder,
they're there to preserve disorder!" -Mayor
Daly, Chicago 1968
Naive Teen Idol
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 20
Re: Who wrote Holy Man?
«
Reply #23 on:
May 31, 2009, 09:17:16 PM »
I must say, I am usually totally and completely opposed to new recordings over old cuts -- not b/c they can't reveal new elements to the song you never realized before...but because they usually
don
't.
But in the case of Taylor Hawkins' "Holy Man" cut, it totally, completely works -- from the melody that is 100% Dennis (was it his? that isn't clear on this thread), to Gregg's lyrics which sound just *right* to my ears, to Taylor's vocal, which captures Dennis' vibe without ever lurching toward parody in the slightest. There's this floaty quality to the song that's hard to describe -- the pounding piano, the ARP string ensemble and loping drums, the whining Moog. It's just a very...inspiring song, for lack of a better word. Def. a masterpiece of some kind -- and a lovely parting gift from Dennis beyond the grave.
Logged
Pages:
[
1
]
Jump to:
Please select a destination:
-----------------------------
Smiley Smile Stuff
-----------------------------
=> BRIAN WILSON Q & A
=> Welcome to the Smiley Smile board
=> General On Topic Discussions
===> Ask The Honored Guests
===> Smiley Smile Reference Threads
=> Smile Sessions Box Set (2011)
=> The Beach Boys Media
=> Concert Reviews
=> Album, Book and Video Reviews And Discussions
===> 1960's Beach Boys Albums
===> 1970's Beach Boys Albums
===> 1980's Beach Boys Albums
===> 1990's Beach Boys Albums
===> 21st Century Beach Boys Albums
===> Brian Wilson Solo Albums
===> Other Solo Albums
===> Produced by or otherwise related to
===> Tribute Albums
===> DVDs and Videos
===> Book Reviews
===> 'Rank the Tracks'
===> Polls
-----------------------------
Non Smiley Smile Stuff
-----------------------------
=> General Music Discussion
=> General Entertainment Thread
=> Smiley Smilers Who Make Music
=> The Sandbox
Powered by SMF 1.1.21
|
SMF © 2015, Simple Machines
Page created in 5.082 seconds with 22 queries.
Helios Multi
design by
Bloc
Loading...