So I have the 2cd set coming from amazon UK, Box Set coming from Amazon France. I am very, very tempted to purchase the coloured vinyl box set from The Beach Boys store

I think that you may get it cheaper here depending on shipping charges: https://thesoundofvinyl.com/*/*/Feel-Flows-The-Sunflower-Surf-s-Up-Sessions-1969-1971-Exclusive-Translucent-Blue-Yellow-Vinyl-4LP/70760000000?utm_campaign=TheSoundofVinyl20210603&utm_content=&utm_medium=social&utm_source=FacebookPost&utm_umguk=l.facebook.com%2F&utm_campaign=TheSoundofVinyl20210603&utm_content=&utm_medium=social&utm_source=FacebookPost&fbclid=IwAR2ZyGOmXUa0FdqOLcObe4RUI1Za1CVNESW9sRAwn570Q4BKEoiejlFiIGg

£79.99.

The presale has worked exceptionally well for many of us this time. Expensive seats at the RAH but I'm SMiLiNG.

I tried to justify it by thinking that this could be a last hurrah, and if it was, if someone asked you “would you pay £150 to see Brian at the Albert Hall at his final tour” would you say yes?

Although we have been saying just that for years now! But still the answer for me is yes. The answer will always be yes.

The presale has worked exceptionally well for many of us this time. Expensive seats at the RAH but I'm SMiLiNG.

https://www.brianwilson.com/home?fbclid=IwAR142aivqte92HoVVry51RCZcofzom9G_-fAPCcC6cntLxwScBloZ0nwbmg#united-kingdom

Other European dates too.

I hardly contribute and just read, but adding endless negativity on top of an already horrendous negative situation (SCI gig) does no good. Brian wouldn’t do that. And quite honestly, we don’t know what happens behind closed doors in regards to the band and corporation, and decision making. All we can do is speculate, if we don’t know, and that’s part of the reason why we’re all here - I get it, but it can be done in a cordial manner.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black though. I get that these guys live in the public eye, and everything is magnified, but the endless degrading language has to stop at some point. When do you move on from this, what good does it do? Try to have a more forgiving heart, and focus on the positives of this great band and music made. Wouldn’t you want to be afforded the same opportunity? I think we are all codependent to some extent on there always being a villain in this band, someone to blame. I’m definitely guilty of that at times.

The sad truth is, the majority of posters here have hated Mike for a long time and events like this just give them one more reason to hate him. Does Mike care? No. Does he lay awake at night, worrying about what the Brian lovers over at Smiley Smile are saying about him? No. He knows they don't like him anyway. They're not the people attending his concerts or buying his cd's.
That's why it's never made sense that the same people were angry about C50 ending. Brian, Al, Blondie, and the rest are better off not having to put up with Mike and Bruce. Brian is the genius that created all the great music; he's got a great band recreating the sounds of those records night after night on tour.
People DO have a choice. Go see Brian's band when they come to town; or go see the Mike and Bruce show. You are required to see both.

I wasn't bothered about the C50 ending - I never wanted a reunion anyway. I was just angry about the way it happened. Mike said in the penultimate UK show that it was a show in two halves. He meant first and second but his words were true in a much more profound way. The first half very much reflected Mike's chosen presentation and choice of songs, the second half Brian's. And there was hardly a feeling of unity amongst all of the band, unsurprisingly in the circumstances.

If anyone is still interesting in this further being dredged up in an incompetent, non-substantive fashion, Beard/ESQ put a link up on their Facebook page to another article written by some other blog/clickbait site ("Rock and Roll Globe").

Click at your own peril; I'm not sure whether this will make you feel more or less like throwing a rock through your computer monitor compared to Beard's article:

https://rockandrollglobe.com/music-journalism/a-deeper-look-at-the-call-to-boycott-the-beach-boys-or-at-least-dont-play-for-people-who-hunt-people-like-sting/

The article might just be worse than Beard's own article. It essentially argues that every band plays gigs for horrible people for the cash, so leave Mike Love alone. The article seems to misunderstand how the "Beach Boys" tour setup works legally.

The guy who wrote the article managed to get an "exclusive" quote from Mike on the subject, I'm guessing because of it's overly-sympathetic tone towards Mike. Mike's quote is not really a quote about the subject at hand, as it's literally a paragraph of gobbledygook that goes on and on but doesn't really say anything. It reads like when you get called on in class to answer a question, and because you don't actually have an answer, you just talk about how peace, love, and understanding are great things.

A classic case of "whataboutism"... it's really not that bad because if you keep looking you'll find people who did worse stuff. That's a really great tack to take. 

O.J. Simpson isn't really that bad because people like Ted Bundy exist. That's the same argument.

At least there's a first here, I never in a million years thought I'd read a big long blog post about this band with "circumcision" in the text.

"If someone really is making the argument that an action is no longer unethical because so many people do it, then that person is either in dire need of ethical instruction, or an idiot." https://ethicsalarms.com/rule-book/unethical-rationalizations-and-misconceptions/

I said I was going to do a change.org petition to take the license away from Mike, but it was mostly sarcasm. The more time passes, the more I think there’s not a single reason I shouldn’t.   Now reading the rest of this...getting more pissed by the day. This better not affect any archival releases

The way that the petition was handled was unfortunate and might make future petitions regarding the Beach Boys unwelcome to fans. But it will annoy me intensely if Mike just gets away with this. At the very least, there should be an apology.

I also hope it doesn't affect any archival releases. The music is the message - and when the music is sounded out by this disgraceful kind of mess it does (most of) the original band, the fans and all those involved in trying to promote this music no favours.

I am questioning whether I buy another BB release. I have been a HARD CORE fan since 1981, but if Mike will not stand up and defend Brian, the I have nothing left to celebrate this peice of sh*t band.

Mike isn't *the band*. He's a solo act that licenses the BB name for touring.

Also, I'd say at this stage, the Mike Love of 2020 isn't even the same guy as the guy of the 60s, or even the 80s frankly, in my mind.

Don't let this stuff ruin everything that isn't the current iteration of touring and recording that Mike does.

Mike should not be allowed to ruin our enjoyment of music that was written and recorded years before the current version of the Beach Boys existed, nor of Brian's tours with his own band.  That gives him a power he does not deserve and punishes wholly innocent members of the original Beach Boys and those who have worked on the recordings.

Let fans who disagree with Mike's damage to the legacy stop attending his concerts by all means. I'm sorry that this will hurt his band but even if it were to be done on a temporary basis perhaps it would make him at least avoid further such actions in future. It is a very fragile hope. If Mike took notice of the fans or of the bad Press he gets, surely he would have tried to redress the problems years ago. Mike just refuses to accept anything is his own fault.

A lady called Deb has written a brilliant rebuttal of David Beard's article on brianwilson.com.

Amongst other things she points out 'REO Speedwagon who had originally been booked succeeded in withdrawing from the performance.' Well worth a read.

The Admin on Brian's MB just wrote

'Hello everyone:

We've read your messages about the Trophy Hunting petition and understand your concerns. Please note that the original petition you signed is being taken down, and your names won't be carried over to any other petitions - it stops with this one regarding The Beach Boys. We're sorry for any confusion or concern!'

In reply to Nathan Snyder, I disagreed with trophy hunting before I ever heard of this organisation or concert. I've signed literally hundreds of petitions about animal welfare and contribute to various animal charities.  What annoys me about this gig is that Mike, who has professed various love and peace beliefs in his time, is using the name of a band that has endorsed various environmental concerns to play for people with whose views three of the original band members do not endorse. Any business relies on good customer relations so it is unwise to ally itself with a view that is extremely unpopular. That is rather different than simply playing in a country which has less enlightened views than one's own.

I don't want what MIKE and BRUCE have chosen to do to affect my appreciation of the music recorded before the convention took place... and it won't. I won't go to any M&B shows in the future, nor buy any music released under their own names (and they can't do new stuff under the Beach Boys' name). That's no hardship of course! I also find it intensely irritating that Brian was insulted by that POS. And Mike with his sudden enthusiasm for freedom of thought, remains silent. He'll be accepting people's right to a free opinion on substance abuse next... oh, wait!

3. Where does this go from here? Upon signing the petition I have vowed not to buy any BB related material ever again (thanks to Mike’s upstanding decision to go through with the gig). I’m wondering how many of us will actually go through with that. At the moment I’m so disgusted with Mike I don’t give a damn about hearing his voice through my stereo, but I’m sure when the Feel Flows set comes out we’ll all be itching to hear the material. Plus Mark and Alan have probably put their heart and soul into the project - regardless of Mike’s pathetic actions those two deserve support.
h a struggle for Brian I would love to see them take away th4. Watching that video of a mountain-lion being shot out of a tree at almost point blank range - I am heartbroken that The Beach Boys name is now forever associated with these acts of cruelty.

This point concerns me too. I think it is wrong to lump together the rest of the original Beach Boys - Brian, Al, Dennis, Carl, David - none of whom have expressed support for trophy hunting with Mike and Bruce - all the surviving ones have expressed opposition to it. I can easily stick to a vow not to attend any M&B shows - and THAT is what it should be about. Punish the offenders.

The petition has been signed by over 130,000 now. Let's hope this encourages the management to make some sort of statement clearly limiting responsibility to those who sought to play this gig.

It would be funny if we each participated in an online book burning, wherein we each post a photo of us holding a lighter/match to our personal copies of Mike's book.

I don't have a copy.....

I'd love to see him lose the right to tour under that name though I can't imagine it coming to that. But at least it shows the level of Mike's hypocrisy and is surely good publicity for Brian, Al and David Marks. There is supposedly no such thing as bad publicity but I know one person involved with the UK fans who is prepared to close down a fan club on this account.

In going down the rabbit hole of Google image searches involving Mike Love eating, I was reminded that, while I'm not an expert on the varying definitions of "vegetarian", he is not strictly so. He does eat fish:



I'll forego the tasteless jokes about Mike eating the whale from the "Summer in Paradise" cover.....

I do seem to remember that a few years ago he was complimenting his wife's (sorry - I've got into the habit of calling her Morticia because of a close resemblance to the actress who used to play that role) Christmas dinner offering - turkey!  She replied that it was good because of the sauce. If I am remembering rightly - and it sounds absurd so perhaps I'm not! - she said she had used a quart of apple cider. Turkey... cider.... he seems to be neither a vegetarian nor a teetotaller.

I can't say that I would have more respect for Mike if he admitted he'd decided to give up being a vegetarian or even wanted to take up hunting but at least he couldn't be called a hypocrite. But no such claim. So, Mike - you're a hypocrite.

I can't speak for Brian's political beliefs but I remember this, in which Brian participated, and which clearly takes an opinion on human disregard of other species.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ilN_ndi_BA&fbclid=IwAR2mkARD8AvckRzNEH0ub_R5_h3TS-seTJfZrGy1OicnM4lWnGsH5NTXt1g

Summer in Paradise was referenced on FB - I was so disgusted seeing Mike Love's face I deleted the post until the author explained his reasoning!

Just read on Brian's MB that signatures have hit 75,000.

They say that all publicity is good publicity - the publicity is probably doing Brian and Al a lot more good than Mike and Bruce.

Brian's publicist stated it had been cancelled by the tour promoters.

Unfortunately I have no more information but this music is what started my interest in Phil Rickman books. This is from the Amazon details of his book 'December': "December has the shortest days, the darkest nights... In the ruins of a medieval abbey on the Welsh Border, four young musicians start work on an album influenced by the site's bloody history. It's December 1980 - the night John Lennon will be murdered in New York. And there'll be more horror before the sun rises and the session tapes are burned. Or are they?"

I would guess that Phil Rickman must have taken some inspiration from the legend of the Fire Tapes though he does primarily seem to be interested in The Beatles. The book contains a very interesting (and allegedly true according to the notes at the back) story about a power cut at 13.13 on December 13th, 1993 (13 years after the year of Lennon's death, though this was on the 8th).

I'm being sarcastic and I don't intend to apologise after what he wrote to me.

I dislike phrase "wifeandmanagers". If we apply it to Brian, we must apply it to Mike. Or don't use it to either.

I think by now it's become sort of a sarcastic joke.

Depends on who is saying it. You and I joke around about it all the time in a sarcastic manner but we all know a few people who are dead serious when they use that phrase 🙄

*cough* A certain “researcher”....

I wonder if his cough is any better yet - he really needs to get that seen to by a reliable doctor.  Mind you, I nearly choked when I saw the name on the forum where he posts now. BTW at one of Brian's shows last year,  someone PROFESSING to be one of the administrators of  THAT site (I'm not naming it in case it makes me choke again) thought that Blondie was Brian. He commented on Brian's yellow trousers - Brian wasn't wearing that colour. He made other comments that indicated he'd got their identities mixed up. Maybe he'd had a few too many drinks!

If what Hey Jude and Guitarfool  (in particular) have convincingly argued is true, it seems likely that Mike wanted to curtail the C50 because he didn't like the financial consequences and also not being 'top dog' at the shows. So surely WERE (and I hope not) there to be another reunion, the same problems would arise?! I can understand why some of the original Beach Boys might want it, but I hope Brian considers what is likely to be the outcome.

It's Brian's decision. The only decision we can make is not to go to the shows if we don't want to see them.

As for Brian wishing he didn't have to do this any more during the C50, Brian was one of the Beach Boys who was prepared to continue with the reunion. I won't go further into that on this thread but there are plenty of interesting posts on the subject in the 'Everybody back together' thread. I particularly enjoyed Hey Jude's,  Guitarfool's and Billy's comments which IMO logically demolished some of the  things we have been told previously.

Seated venue makes sense and best in Scotlands unpredictable weather

I agree even though the UK weather has been unusually hot this year.