Phil Spector trashes Brian Wilson

[Bean Bag]

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04262007/gossip/pagesix/pagesix_u.htm

Probably old news, not sure.  But he says Brian "wasn't all that talented."  And that he wasn't impressed that someone without a brain worshipped him.

Yo, Phil...Brian's a genius and you're a flake.  I don't think your one little innovation can touch what Brian was able to bring to it...and then some

[pixletwin]

Phil has been a very bitter person for years. I think lies and abuse are the only thing he has produced in many-a-year.

To quote: "Time wounds all heels."

[Jonas]

Hey Phil, hows that court case going?

Brainless idiot is having fun on tour, being with his family and loved ones.

Whos the idiot now?

[the captain]

I don't think Phil Spector saying something stupid diminishes his contributions to music. He created some great, great records, and whether he went shithouse nuts, played around with guns too much, was abusive to women, killed someone and trashed BW's talent doesn't affect those records. More evidence that he's not OK in the head, and that's about it.

In a way, I think it's too bad we focus on the personal lives of celebrities as much as we do. If Phil Spector killed someone (oh, and badmouthed BW), he ought to be in jail...but Be My Baby is great. If Michael Jackson is a pedophile, he ought to be in jail...but Thriller is great. (and so on) I'm very guilty of this phenomenon, too. A while back I started a thread about taking extraordinary interest in the Beach Boys' personal lives and stories, and letting it influence appreciation of the music.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Spector's overrated.  The only thing he has on Brian is he's a better shot.

[the captain]

I agree that, among certain music fans, Spector is overrated. But he did create a new sound, and there's always something to be said for that. Overrated or not, though, he did good stuff. And all the rest is stuff for the gossip pages.

[Jonas]

I dont think hes overrated. I think hes a wonderful producer. Talk all the sh*t you want about him, if it wasnt for him we might not have some of the great Brian Wilson songs we do today.

Though, I just think his comments irked a few people and are sayin things they wouldnt normally say.

[Fun Is In]

I don't know if mental illness afflicts Phil Spector, but his certainly afflicts those around him.

[the captain]

I don't know if mental illness afflicts Phil Spector, but his certainly afflicts those around him.

You know, on a purely human level (not related to the music), it's a shame that Spector apparently hasn't had sufficient treatment for whatever is wrong with him. I mean, it isn't as if everyone hasn't known horrible stories about his behavior for years and years--long before he allegedly killed someone. He obviously was not well and needed some kind of help.

[pixletwin]

I doubt Spector would let anyone close enough to offer assistance or help.

I would like to clarify that I believe Spector was a great producer.

Anyone says songs like Be My Baby was no big deal, has a lot to learn.

Lets also remember that he produced Lennon's Imagine and Harrison's All Things Must Pass. (well, co-produced anyhoo).

[melissalynn]

Spector...seriously talented. And all the credit that people give him he does deserve. It's just a shame he's so full of hate and anger. Personality issues aside, I respect him in every way.

[Mahalo]

I've GOT to get the number of Spectors' hair stylist...

[RONDEMON]

BW would be crushed if he read that....
That's too bad and it's also one of the reasons most music fans do not want to meet their
idols. Disappointment.

[Andrew G. Doe]

It's an old quote, first printed in a UK Sunday paper about three weeks before he shot Lana. The odd thing (aside from the timing) was that Phil seemed in a genuinely good mood for the interview.

And let it be remembered that Brian isn't totally innocent in this regard. The Ringo Starr party, anyone ?

[MBE]

That Ringo party tape is crazy, when was it recorded Andrew 1998? Nobody has brought up the fact all the very nice things Spector said about Brian during his mid 70's comeback. He said how Brian was a  sweet person and that he admired that he didn't care about sales as much as how the fans would like his music..

[shelter]

Spector is overrated. Plus, he seems to enjoy being cruel to people and obviously Brian as a devoted fan is an easy target.

[Manchini]

And let it be remembered that Brian isn't totally innocent in this regard. The Ringo Starr party, anyone ?

Que?  What happened?

[Jonas]

And let it be remembered that Brian isn't totally innocent in this regard. The Ringo Starr party, anyone ?

Que?  What happened?

Seriously, I hate when people do that. Like if EVERYONE automatically knows what he's talking about. Fess up, already. What happened?

[Andrew G. Doe]

Brian got totally shitfaced and announced to the assembled throng that "Van Dyke Parks is the biggest butthole in the world". Van Dyke was present, and mortified.

Sorry, thought it was common knowledge.

[Jonas]

Sorry, thought it was common knowledge.

Well, you thought wrong didn't you?

Anyway, at that story. Good times.

[pixletwin]

Seriously, is butt-hole even an insult anymore? I call the people I love most, that name. 

[Andrew G. Doe]

To judge from his tone on the tape, I don't think he intended it as an endearment.

[Jonas]

There's actual evidence of this? Man, I hope someone posts it at some point.

[melissalynn]

Wow, didn't know that. I bet that was something interesting to hear in person.

[Roger Ryan]

This was also the party where Brian sings a horribly off-key version of "Barbara Ann" as well as "stalking" Hank Ballard around the backyard repeatedly professing Ballard's greatness.

Brian's meds and alcohol should not have been mixed. Fortunately, it appears to have been an isolated incident whereas Spector has been talking trash and treating people poorly for forty years (or more).