Mike Love memoir due 2016

[Cam Mott]

I won't be shocked if a lot of stuff comes out but from Mike's side and then it will be discredited because Mike didn't bring it up before. Kind of a damned if he does and damned if he don't like is done with the uncredited songwriting.

[Empire Of Love]

It will surely be a hit in this forum - to bitch about every damn paragraph in the book you must BUY the book!  

Hmmm. I think there are plenty of people in this forum that bitch without ever seeing, listening or reading!

They already have !

Wait, I thought we were talking about Mike's new book, not Brian's new album.  

[The LEGENDARY OSD]

I won't be shocked if a lot of stuff comes out but from Mike's side and then it will be discredited because Mike didn't bring it up before. Kind of a damned if he does and damned if he don't like is done with the uncredited songwriting.

So glad you won't be shocked. Whew, that's a load off everyone's mind. Now, let's have a moment of silence for poor, poor, pitiful Mike who could care less while laughing all the way to the bank. 

[Cam Mott]

I won't be shocked if a lot of stuff comes out but from Mike's side and then it will be discredited because Mike didn't bring it up before. Kind of a damned if he does and damned if he don't like is done with the uncredited songwriting.

So glad you won't be shocked. Whew, that's a load off everyone's mind. Now, let's have a moment of silence for poor, poor, pitiful Mike who could care less while laughing all the way to the bank. 

Always a pleasure to read your well reasoned bloviating as well.   

[The LEGENDARY OSD]

I won't be shocked if a lot of stuff comes out but from Mike's side and then it will be discredited because Mike didn't bring it up before. Kind of a damned if he does and damned if he don't like is done with the uncredited songwriting.

So glad you won't be shocked. Whew, that's a load off everyone's mind. Now, let's have a moment of silence for poor, poor, pitiful Mike who could care less while laughing all the way to the bank. 

Always a pleasure to read your well reasoned bloviating as well.   

Always happy to oblige anytime!

[bgas]

I won't be shocked if a lot of stuff comes out but from Mike's side and then it will be discredited because Mike didn't bring it up before. Kind of a damned if he does and damned if he don't like is done with the uncredited songwriting.

So glad you won't be shocked. Whew, that's a load off everyone's mind. Now, let's have a moment of silence for poor, poor, pitiful Mike who could care less while laughing all the way to the bank. 

Always a pleasure to read your well reasoned bloviating as well.   

Note to self: Start collection of Mott-isms for posterity

[NHC]

I am looking forward to the book, but I doubt there's much that is not already known.  I hope Mike Love has the good sense not to go into all the gory details of bad behavior fueled by alcohol and drug abuse.

If he just wrote something like: "everybody knows about the personal problems we all had over the years and all the negative stuff and infighting, it's all been written before, and there's no need to re-hash it here", that might work for everybody. I mean, it can't be totally ignored since it did have a damaging effect on the band, but it's known and accepted at this point. Maybe I'm expecting too much. Hope lingers.

[CenturyDeprived]

I am looking forward to the book, but I doubt there's much that is not already known.  I hope Mike Love has the good sense not to go into all the gory details of bad behavior fueled by alcohol and drug abuse.

If he just wrote something like: "everybody knows about the personal problems we all had over the years and all the negative stuff and infighting, it's all been written before, and there's no need to re-hash it here", that might work for everybody. I mean, it can't be totally ignored since it did have a damaging effect on the band, but it's known and accepted at this point. Maybe I'm expecting too much. Hope lingers.

I think this is expecting too much. I do wonder if Mike thinks there are any self-inflicted blights on his record (beyond the obvious Rock and Roll Hall of Fame speech) that he would, while still perhaps partially defending, would also admit were untactful or just plain uncool - because the hope is that a modicum of awareness would help him not repeat such in the book.  For example, I would like very much to think that Mike and his people are now aware that it's not in his best interest to come off (in the book) as he did when talking about the Wilsons on "Lifestyles of the Rick and Famous".

[Lee Marshall]

And the point of Mike's booklet would then be?  He's gotta deliver some 'goods.'...not some good.  Things, as they happened, and as seen through the eyes of Mike Love.  The perspective will be unique to the extreme.  And it'll be an honest assessment of how it all went down.  At least honest from Mike's point of view.

Mike's perspective may well be an interesting 'take' bound to stir up controversy and debate.  As for mending fences?  I don't think we'll see ANY of that.  No...it's going to be quite the opposite.  THAT'll sell books and Mr. Love will be ALL ABOUT selling those books.  This time he really will be delivering 'words' if not lyrics and as those words have the potential to put dollars in his pocket it's gonna be a whole lot more than just  "she's givin' me excitations."

I hope the book comes with free bonus hooks and fishing line...maybe even a good, strong, sturdy stick.  It'll be a serious can of worms we'll open when it arrives.  Folks here will go crazy.  There'll be people banned left right and centre.  The damage to the Beach Boys universe could well be mortal in terms of the wound this tale could inflict.  But Mike won't care.  He'll be too busy cashing the cheques.  [and laughing at us. ]

[ontor pertawst]

It'll certainly be a hilarious shitstorm here when it comes out, but I'll doubt he'll get a check after the advance. There's not really going to be much interest in his tome among an audience bigger than Beach Boys fans... it's just not a very compelling story. I didn't do drugs, my cousins did, TM is the best = zzzzzzzzz.

Where's the hook? The comeback to root for, the angle an Oprah would exploit or streaming media Larry King would feign interest in?

LARRY: "So you didn't do drugs."

MIKE: "Nope."

LARRY: "We'll be right back after this commercial for my own show."



I mean, can you picture him telling the truth about however may wives he had or something for example? Which abusive dad do you think he'll be more honest about and talk about more... Murry or Milton? Made4tv fake doctors with talk shows are not going to look kindly at all the finger-pointing... and the total lack of the sort of lacerating oh woe is me look how bad I was but now I'm saved self-reflection that sells this kind of bookslop.

On the plus side, unsold copies can be pulped and recycled into more Twilight books...



THE BEACH BOYS AND THE ENVIRONMENT THANK YOU!

It'll be a laugh a minute romp here, of course! We can do 20 pages of threadage over someone naming an incorrect date. I don't envy the jobs his co-writer and according to someone who would knows have.

[LostArt]

I didn't know where to put this, and I didn't want to start a new thread, so I'll just put it here.  Apologies if it's been brought up.  I just read a short interview by Andy Greene in Rolling Stone with Ringo about him getting inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, and there was a brief Beach Boys / Mike Love mention.

AG: Tell me your memories of the 1988 ceremony when the Beatles got inducted.
RS: 1988 was a long time ago, I'm afraid. It was a big dinner with a lot of people. Mick [Jagger] was there. It's interesting that you do those gigs and you bump into a lot of people you haven't met in a long time, so that's always good.

AG: Do you recall Mike Love's speech that night?
RS: I don't. Did he mention me?

AG: He chewed out most people in the room, including the Beatles, and said that Mick Jagger was too "chickenshit" to get on stage with the Beach Boys.
RS: Yeah. I don't really ever listen to what he has to say [laughs]. 

https://www.yahoo.com/music/s/ringo-starr-hall-fame-induction-finally-four-us-065100554-rolling-stone.html

[filledeplage]

I didn't know where to put this, and I didn't want to start a new thread, so I'll just put it here.  Apologies if it's been brought up.  I just read a short interview by Andy Greene in Rolling Stone with Ringo about him getting inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, and there was a brief Beach Boys / Mike Love mention.

AG: Tell me your memories of the 1988 ceremony when the Beatles got inducted.
RS: 1988 was a long time ago, I'm afraid. It was a big dinner with a lot of people. Mick [Jagger] was there. It's interesting that you do those gigs and you bump into a lot of people you haven't met in a long time, so that's always good.

AG: Do you recall Mike Love's speech that night?
RS: I don't. Did he mention me?

AG: He chewed out most people in the room, including the Beatles, and said that Mick Jagger was too "chickenshit" to get on stage with the Beach Boys.
RS: Yeah. I don't really ever listen to what he has to say [laughs]. 

https://www.yahoo.com/music/s/ringo-starr-hall-fame-induction-finally-four-us-065100554-rolling-stone.html

Saw this early this morning and wondered how long it would be before the link would appear here.  I laughed when I saw it.  Ringo played onstage with them in DC in 1984, so Ringo knows it is innocuous and takes it in stride.  Great for Ringo! He seems like a really great, humble guy. Congrats to The Beatles!   

[ontor pertawst]

That would look great on the back cover.

"I don't really ever listen to what he has to say." - Ringo Starr

It would show how Mike Love takes it in stride.

[filledeplage]

That would look great on the back cover.

"I don't really ever listen to what he has to say." - Ringo Starr

It would show how Mike Love takes it in stride.

Good Morning ontor,

I had one of my kids in 1988, who is 26. 

As long as they put the date in. (Someone said something in 1988!) And, it looks ridiculous, in my opinion. Give it context and see what "news value" it has.

You wanna have your face stuck in something you said in 1988? I don't. (And don't know your age.)

This is "only a movie" and if people get their "knickers in a twist" over something said 26 years ago, what does that say about them?

Go Ringo!

[bgas]

That would look great on the back cover.

"I don't really ever listen to what he has to say." - Ringo Starr

It would show how Mike Love takes it in stride.

Good Morning ontor,

I had one of my kids in 1988, who is 26. 

As long as they put the date in. (Someone said something in 1988!) And, it looks ridiculous, in my opinion. Give it context and see what "news value" it has.

You wanna have your face stuck in something you said in 1988? I don't. (And don't know your age.)

This is "only a movie" and if people get their "knickers in a twist" over something said 26 years ago, what does that say about them?

Go Ringo!

You should simply let go, and not feel you need to pick everytime Ontor posts

[ontor pertawst]

I think Mike should embrace Ringo not ever listening to what he has to say. It's a cute Ringo-ism, makes light of the whole thing. He's a mocker! Put it on the book, casually mention the Beatles in India. WIN/WIN.

[LostArt]

It is kind of weird that many people who have a dislike for Mike Love, point to his drunken rambling at that 1988 R&RHOF speech, and say, "See what a pr*ck he is?", and here's Ringo, who was there, and was one of the targets of Mike's ramblings, and he doesn't even remember it.  I did think Ringo's comment was funny, though.  I was the only person in a large room full of office cubicles when I read it, and I laughed out loud.

P.S.
I hope nobody thinks I posted that comment just to start another war, or keep the fighting going, or whatever.  That's the last thing I want, ferchristssake.  I just thought it was funny.

[LostArt]

He's a mocker!

That's a good one.  Not a mod or a rocker. 

[Chocolate Shake Man]

And it's worth noting, of course, that Ringo did not make the statement in 1988.

[LostArt]

And it's worth noting, of course, that Ringo did not make the statement in 1988.

I think that's clear.

[Chocolate Shake Man]

And it's worth noting, of course, that Ringo did not make the statement in 1988.

I think that's clear.

Yes, I thought so too, but I am somewhat unclear on a post above which appears to reference Ringo's quote and concludes, "Someone said something in 1988!"

[filledeplage]

That would look great on the back cover.

"I don't really ever listen to what he has to say." - Ringo Starr

It would show how Mike Love takes it in stride.

Good Morning ontor,

I had one of my kids in 1988, who is 26. 

As long as they put the date in. (Someone said something in 1988!) And, it looks ridiculous, in my opinion. Give it context and see what "news value" it has.

You wanna have your face stuck in something you said in 1988? I don't. (And don't know your age.)

This is "only a movie" and if people get their "knickers in a twist" over something said 26 years ago, what does that say about them?

Go Ringo!

You should simply let go, and not feel you need to pick everytime Ontor posts

Not so, bgas.

It seems that ontor and I are on much better footing. (I hope.)  And, I was not picking on him, or really adversarial, just offering a context.  A quarter of a century.  Some posters weren't even born then, and this isn't about ageism.  It's context.

His post was actually measured.

But, seriously, how long is anyone accountable for a 26 year old quote, notwithstanding it is from a somewhat public person.  

Suppose George Clooney said something in 1988.  What merit is it given in 2014?  The issue is that Ringo is a winner this year, and should be the focus, in my view.  

[Chocolate Shake Man]

I suppose it's because there's a difference between some off-hand remark that one makes privately and a speech that would have been somewhat planned out and given at an official forum. And furthermore, the speech would become especially meaningful if it was part of a pattern of similar behaviour and remarks, rather than something out of character. Again, if it were out of character, one could say that the person was having an off-moment.

[Andrew G. Doe]

And the point of Mike's booklet would then be?  He's gotta deliver some 'goods.'...not some good.  Things, as they happened, and as seen through the eyes of Mike Love.  The perspective will be unique to the extreme.  And it'll be an honest assessment of how it all went down.  At least honest from Mike's point of view.

Mike's perspective may well be an interesting 'take' bound to stir up controversy and debate.  As for mending fences?  I don't think we'll see ANY of that.  No...it's going to be quite the opposite.  THAT'll sell books and Mr. Love will be ALL ABOUT selling those books.  This time he really will be delivering 'words' if not lyrics and as those words have the potential to put dollars in his pocket it's gonna be a whole lot more than just  "she's givin' me excitations."

I hope the book comes with free bonus hooks and fishing line...maybe even a good, strong, sturdy stick.  It'll be a serious can of worms we'll open when it arrives.  Folks here will go crazy.  There'll be people banned left right and centre.  The damage to the Beach Boys universe could well be mortal in terms of the wound this tale could inflict.  But Mike won't care.  He'll be too busy cashing the cheques.  [and laughing at us. ]

Try taking those mental blinkers off. As it stands, you don't have the first idea. Not. A. Clue.

Like I said, the more I learn of this project (which, never forget, is a good eighteen months from publication), the more interesting I feel it will be. Will it upset some posters here ? For sure... but not the way you're thinking. Several folk here shouldn't bother with it in any case, because they've already made up their minds, or such minds as they have.

[Lee Marshall]

True.

But...I AM allowed to guess.