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I seem to remember a little while back that, after the success of The Beatles
Love
remixes, there was talk of Giles/George Martin being asked to do something like it with Smile, but I think he turned it down, which is probably just as well.
However, at a Beatles fan site I found the following (originally from
The Times
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What next for Giles Martin? “There’s a Brian Wilson project I’ve been asked to do,” he says. “I think God Only Knows is one of the best songs ever written, so I’m keen on that. At the moment I’m working on a Martin Scorsese music documentary. I’ve learnt almost everything I know from my dad, so I feel incredibly lucky.” He smiles. “Not that we sit around talking about the Beatles all the time. Mostly we just watch the snooker together.”
I wonder what he could be up to? Anyone heard anything else about this? He doesn't say he's working on GOK, just that he likes it, but it would would be interesting to get some new blood into the Beach Boys mix and would make a change from the dead hand of Mark Linnett.
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Love is currently my favorite Beatles 'album'! That would be awesome if he did something like that for the Beach Boys!
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Bad luck, sons. Because I veto this plan here and now. It amounts to sacrilege. Not one mortal soul shall ever tarnish and blemish the works of the mighty Professor Brian Douglas Wilson by 'twiddling the knobs'.
NO!
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Can we get Giles Martin to remix TLOS?
I love LOVE and think it was a brilliant idea and well executed. Beatles have never sounded better on a format except the original vinyls.
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Is it true that the Beatles always vetoed re-mastering their back catalogue out of vanity? Like in: we are the only band in the world that does not need that kind of overhaul?
Just asking.
(BTW: my 'NO' remains that: a 'NO'; I do have principles...
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No.
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Quote from: brother john on October 04, 2008, 01:38:50 AM
No.
eh... to what question?
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I don't like Love. The only thing I like from it is While My Guitar Gently Weeps, because that's one of the only songs that's not just a bunch of songs on top of each other.
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Quote from: The Heartical Don on October 04, 2008, 01:36:24 AM
Is it true that the Beatles always vetoed re-mastering their back catalogue out of vanity? Like in: we are the only band in the world that does not need that kind of overhaul?
Just asking.
(BTW: my 'NO' remains that: a 'NO'; I do have principles...
)
This may be an R&R urban myth, but I've read that there's a clause in The Beatles contract with EMI stipulating that the original studio albums will never be reissued in any other form than they were originally, which would of course explain the total and complete lack of bonus tracks on any of them. Evidently this clause postdated the Capitol hatchet job on the pre-
Pepper
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Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on October 04, 2008, 02:06:06 AM
Quote from: The Heartical Don on October 04, 2008, 01:36:24 AM
Is it true that the Beatles always vetoed re-mastering their back catalogue out of vanity? Like in: we are the only band in the world that does not need that kind of overhaul?
Just asking.
(BTW: my 'NO' remains that: a 'NO'; I do have principles...
)
This may be an R&R urban myth, but I've read that there's a clause in The Beatles contract with EMI stipulating that the original studio albums will never be reissued in any other form than they were originally, which would of course explain the total and complete lack of bonus tracks on any of them. Evidently this clause postdated the Capitol hatchet job on the pre-
Pepper
releases.
As always, thanks Andrew. Seems to be a very rational answer to this question. What puzzles me however: suppose EMI would re-negotiate and re-issue everything in pristinely remastered format (perhaps without bonus material, to 'protect' history, as it were) - wouldn't there be a couple of billions to rake in for them (and Michael Jackson)?
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I think by original format,it means exactly as released, no bonus tracks. I doubt a good remastering job would infringe the stipulation although, as has been pointed out, the remix GM did on some could be seen so to do.
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Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on October 04, 2008, 04:23:52 AM
I think by original format,it means exactly as released, no bonus tracks. I doubt a good remastering job would infringe the stipulation although, as has been pointed out, the remix GM did on some could be seen so to do.
I see your point. Perhaps it's more a philosphical point whether re-mastering would infringe previous obligations. Only two surviving members would be able to say OK to any, albeit ever so minute, change to the source material. On the other hand Lennon never lived to see the transition from LP to CD sound, and in theory could have said 'no', although that is taking things a bit to far I am afraid...
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LOVE is pretty bad, a bunh of songs on top of each other..I don't get it.
No point destroying Brian's melodies like that.
But if he wants to remix Wild Honey in Stereo, i'm for that.
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Quote from: Wild_Honey-In_Stereo on October 04, 2008, 06:35:30 AM
LOVE is pretty bad, a bunh of songs on top of each other..I don't get it.
No point destroying Brian's melodies like that.
But if he wants to remix Wild Honey in Stereo, i'm for that.
Um..., am I right that you are all for Giles Martin putting the likes of you in a blender?
Take two of the blue and three of the green pills and go to bed. Now.
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Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on October 04, 2008, 02:06:06 AM
Quote from: The Heartical Don on October 04, 2008, 01:36:24 AM
Is it true that the Beatles always vetoed re-mastering their back catalogue out of vanity? Like in: we are the only band in the world that does not need that kind of overhaul?
Just asking.
(BTW: my 'NO' remains that: a 'NO'; I do have principles...
)
This may be an R&R urban myth, but I've read that there's a clause in The Beatles contract with EMI stipulating that the original studio albums will never be reissued in any other form than they were originally, which would of course explain the total and complete lack of bonus tracks on any of them. Evidently this clause postdated the Capitol hatchet job on the pre-
Pepper
releases.
You know the thing about the Beatles remasters before
Pepper
is they're absolutely fine if you're listening on a CD player without headphones. Once you put the headphones on, it's much less so, especially
Rubber Soul
which isn't a very good mix at all. One of the reasons that I don't listen to early Beatles in headphones and started buying Beatle LPs.
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No , I don't approve of a 'Love' style remix of PS.
The Beatles back catalogue is actually being remastered right now, but as mentioned earler no bonus tracks whatsoever will be issued.
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Quote from: The Heartical Don on October 04, 2008, 07:28:42 AM
Quote from: Wild_Honey-In_Stereo on October 04, 2008, 06:35:30 AM
LOVE is pretty bad, a bunh of songs on top of each other..I don't get it.
No point destroying Brian's melodies like that.
But if he wants to remix Wild Honey in Stereo, i'm for that.
Um..., am I right that you are all for Giles Martin putting the likes of you in a blender?
Take two of the blue and three of the green pills and go to bed. Now.
Holy f*ckballs that's funny.
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would make a change from the dead hand of Mark Linnett.
...err?
Oh, and I'm all for it. If you don't like it, don't buy it.
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Quote from: The Heartical Don on October 04, 2008, 01:51:07 AM
Quote from: brother john on October 04, 2008, 01:38:50 AM
No.
eh... to what question?
To the one you asked, directly above my answer.
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Quote from: Wild_Honey-In_Stereo on October 04, 2008, 06:35:30 AM
LOVE is pretty bad, a bunh of songs on top of each other..I don't get it.
No point destroying Brian's melodies like that.
But if he wants to remix Wild Honey in Stereo, i'm for that.
Then you, Sir, have no imaginative or creative sensibility. I believe the surviving Beatles loved it.
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Quote from: Bill Barnyard on October 04, 2008, 09:43:50 AM
No , I don't approve of a 'Love' style remix of PS.
The Beatles back catalogue is actually being remastered right now, but as mentioned earler no bonus tracks whatsoever will be issued.
Quite, Pet Sounds doesn't need messing around with, though a more contemporary (but not over-compressed) mastering job might be interesting.
I think, contrary to your insider information on the new Beatles issues, that there will be bonus tracks in some form or other. Everything I've read suggests re-mixes at the very least, and many bonus tracks have already been issued as part of the various Anthology series. I for one don't particularly appreciate bonus tracks on albums, though discs of extras are most welcome! When The Beatles catalogue finally gets reissued its likely to be on multiple discs per album, though will probably be after the tracks have been released on iTunes.
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Just for a bit of fun. I have a late 70s interview of Bruce Johnston comparing this Thunderclap Newman song with a famous Beach Boys song.
If you haven't heard the interview, any ideas?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pGht71KFkY
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Quote from: TheOther Anonymous on October 04, 2008, 03:20:08 PM
Just for a bit of fun. I have a late 70s interview of Bruce Johnston comparing this Thunderclap Newman song with a famous Beach Boys song.
If you haven't heard the interview, any ideas?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pGht71KFkY
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No sorry.
From memory he says 'Listen to (BB song) with Something In The Air and its (BB song)'
Its nothing obscure. I would say in their 20 best known songs.
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Quote from: brother john on October 04, 2008, 11:53:51 AM
Quote from: Bill Barnyard on October 04, 2008, 09:43:50 AM
No , I don't approve of a 'Love' style remix of PS.
The Beatles back catalogue is actually being remastered right now, but as mentioned earler no bonus tracks whatsoever will be issued.
Quite, Pet Sounds doesn't need messing around with, though a more contemporary (but not over-compressed) mastering job might be interesting.
I think, contrary to your insider information on the new Beatles issues, that there will be bonus tracks in some form or other. Everything I've read suggests re-mixes at the very least, and many bonus tracks have already been issued as part of the various Anthology series. I for one don't particularly appreciate bonus tracks on albums, though discs of extras are most welcome! When The Beatles catalogue finally gets reissued its likely to be on multiple discs per album, though will probably be after the tracks have been released on iTunes.
I am not a Beatles fan (this may surprise you) but I don't have nothing against them either. I don't own any album by them, save for the Lennon 'Rock 'n' Roll' effort (is more my Spector fandom). At any rate, the Beatles are better than Coldplay.
Now, I like the idea of the Beatles stuff being reissued. Why? Because it will prolong the life of the CD format for a couple of years. And that suits me just fine. Because I hate downloading. I hate having no booklet. I hate not having to bike to my favorite record shop. And I'd hate said shop eventually turning into a cell phone shop. That's why.
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I, for one, REALLY like "Love".
Especially the "Strawberry Fields" version with splices of "Sgt. Pepper", "Penny Lane", "Piggies",
and "Hello Goodbye" mixed seamlessly into the fade. Also the backwards "Sun King" vocals into
"Something", the intro into "Lady Madonna", etc.
I think that is overly reactionary to condemn any similar reconceptions of Brian's masterpieces as
somehow "sacreligious" or unacceptable. I'm sure George Martin and son could do some very ori-
ginal and creative reconfigurations of Pet Sounds or Smile, and I would be very interested to hear them.
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