I have proof!!!

[jammer730]

of Daddy Dear's singer, and yes...it is Brian Wilson.

Here's my proof:

- Listen to BHITM. Al's lead, of course. both songs are in about the same range. Brian clearly has a deeper tone to his voice.
- Listen to Break Away (Alternate Version). You can hear the same pronunciation of syllables, bends, + that unique weepy sound in Brian's voice from that period
- This is gonna sound weird, but listen to the outtake from Hawthorne, CA of the SLC sessions. When Brian laughs, at the "whack it off" line, compare this with how he sings "fly", it's that ah sound that totally identifies Brian
- Listen to the Daddy Dear recording and then listen to the demo of Mount Vernon and Fairway, well that's what finally sold me.
- Oh yeah, and lastly, as one of the youngest members on this board, my hearing is in tip-top shape

((have a listen)) all you naysayers (AGD included)

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Yeah, but if you've heard Brian's vocals from that same period...he didn't sound like that anymore. He hadn't reached his 15 Big ones voice yet, but there was a noticeable change. Al, however, did.

What would seal the deal is if we had a date for the recording, or at least narrowed it down to the week.

[Jay]

I have a theory that the fist apperance/evidence of Brian's "new voice" is the Don't You Just Know It outtake with Jan Barry(berry?). BUt that's a whole other topic, and another big can of worms. 

[buddhahat]

I've heard this (daddy dear) but since lost it. Erm, could anyone please point me in the direction of this recording??

[Jay]

I will probably get yelled at for this.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUkB6X8mMhg

He's not quite hoarse or off key, but it's fairly obvious that he's struggling.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

No yelling needed, as that's from you tube

That's a great example, esp around 0:59. 

[buddhahat]

I will probably get yelled at for this.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUkB6X8mMhg

He's not quite hoarse or off key, but it's fairly obvious that he's struggling.

Hey thanks so much for the link. I had never heard this. It was Daddy dear I was referring to though (my mistake)!

[Andrew G. Doe]

of Daddy Dear's singer, and yes...it is Brian Wilson.

Here's my proof:

- Listen to BHITM. Al's lead, of course. both songs are in about the same range. Brian clearly has a deeper tone to his voice.
- Listen to Break Away (Alternate Version). You can hear the same pronunciation of syllables, bends, + that unique weepy sound in Brian's voice from that period
- This is gonna sound weird, but listen to the outtake from Hawthorne, CA of the SLC sessions. When Brian laughs, at the "whack it off" line, compare this with how he sings "fly", it's that ah sound that totally identifies Brian
- Listen to the Daddy Dear recording and then listen to the demo of Mount Vernon and Fairway, well that's what finally sold me.
- Oh yeah, and lastly, as one of the youngest members on this board, my hearing is in tip-top shape

((have a listen)) all you naysayers (AGD included)

Listened. See (or hear...) nothing there to change my previously stated opinion.

BTW, the audio you're using to 'prove' your point dates from, respectively, four, three and seven years earlier (and Brian was speaking then, not singing). Granted the "Fairytale" 'journalist' tape is contemporary, but is also, were this possible, even worse audio quality.

[Jay]

No yelling needed, as that's from you tube

That's a great example, esp around 0:59. 

1:37 to about 1:41 is another part that sticks out to me.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Brian's vocal for "DYJKI" was recorded 1970, reportedly.

[Rocker]

I will probably get yelled at for this.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUkB6X8mMhg

I know this is kinda off topic, but I just wanted to say that that song, "Don't you just know it", by Jan and Brian is officially available on this disc:
http://www.musicload.de/jan-dean/fun-city/musik/album/6354552_2

It used to be on amazon, too, but I couldn't find it now. I think it's the only release to get it officially from

[alanjames]

I think that's Brian AND Al.
In Daddy Dear, Brian and Al try to sing. I heard the two voices.
And in Susie, only Al try to play and sing his own song.

[jammer730]

Listened. See (or hear...) nothing there to change my previously stated opinion.

BTW, the audio you're using to 'prove' your point dates from, respectively, four, three and seven years earlier (and Brian was speaking then, not singing). Granted the "Fairytale" 'journalist' tape is contemporary, but is also, were this possible, even worse audio quality.

This has nothing to do with dates, Brian has a vocals style most of us are familiar with. Can you hear what I mean by "weepy" sound in his voice? By the way after '67 or so Brian began to use a new type of singing style for upper range melodies.

Examples: harmonizing on BHITM, Walk on By, TALOYF, anybody else hear what I'm talking about. That's what you hear on Daddy Dear when he goes into that higher range, well, what I hear for that matter.

IMHO, Brian's voice was still pretty similar to how it sounded, when it changed in 1965. Anybody understand my Break Away comparison?

Am i crazy, why, otherwise, would I be inclined to think it was Brian?

[SurfRiderHawaii]

I will probably get yelled at for this.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUkB6X8mMhg

I know this is kinda off topic, but I just wanted to say that that song, "Don't you just know it", by Jan and Brian is officially available on this disc:
http://www.musicload.de/jan-dean/fun-city/musik/album/6354552_2

It used to be on amazon, too, but I couldn't find it now. I think it's the only release to get it officially from

It's on  Amazon as an MP3 download album

http://www.amazon.com/Fun-City/dp/B001NKQK78

[RONDEMON]

Dont You Just Know it is pretty cool. Never heard it!

[adamghost]

I will probably get yelled at for this.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUkB6X8mMhg

He's not quite hoarse or off key, but it's fairly obvious that he's struggling.

Now here's the interesting thing about this track...I've heard an alternate version of this on some b**tleg or other somewhere, and there's a different Brian vocal, probably an earlier take, and Brian is REALLY struggling with the vocal, especially the transition to and from falsetto.

If this is from 1970, this is a good example of how Brian's voice in '70 HAD deteriorated since '66, even though it's not immediately obvious from listening to his vocals on record at the time (and which a lot of people have questioned, suggesting that his voice was pretty much untouched until '74).  He still had a lot of his range and the youthful tone to his voice, but it had gotten harder to control and required a lot more effort to sing.  It's also worth a reminder that your ability to sing can vary drastically from day to day, and if your health is poor it can create all kinds of issues with inflammation, sinus infections, etc., that can mess with your voice as well.  Some of that was probably in play...and drug use, particularly cocaine and pot smoking, can mess with your voice pretty badly too.

After '74 the basic tone of Brian's voice changed drastically and it was nearly impossible to cover up (though they managed it on MIU), but a lot of other other issues were already in play...they just didn't prevent getting a good vocal take on record, necessarily.

Btw, I've never heard "Daddy Dear" so I can't weigh in on who sang it.

[TdHabib]

The interesting thing is that he was able to pull it through and do a very good vocal on "Doncha Just Know It" despite the earlier trouble.

I am unabashed fan of Brian's 1970-71 ("Awake" primarily) vocals, but really you can start to hear a difference in the tone and the way he's singing. It's not the full voiced angelic, almost effortless voice of previous years (the falsetto leads like "California Girls" and "Hushabye"), but a more mature and controlled effort. The best thing I can thing of that effected him is age, as early as the SMiLE sessions he was starting to show a bit of vocal decline i.e. on the early take of "Vegetables" he is noticeably a bit pitchier than Mike on his section. With "Friends" he's back on top but he's noticeably aged a bit, he sounds great but it's a different style.

There's a number of factors involved.

[Jay]

I will probably get yelled at for this.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUkB6X8mMhg

He's not quite hoarse or off key, but it's fairly obvious that he's struggling.

Now here's the interesting thing about this track...I've heard an alternate version of this on some b**tleg or other somewhere, and there's a different Brian vocal, probably an earlier take, and Brian is REALLY struggling with the vocal, especially the transition to and from falsetto.

I would very much like to hear the version you mentioned...

[Amazing Larry]

- Oh yeah, and lastly, as one of the youngest members on this board, my hearing is in tip-top shape


[/quote]
I doubt you are the youngest. 14, beat THAT.

[jammer730]

Well, one of the youngest. 

[Alex]

- Oh yeah, and lastly, as one of the youngest members on this board, my hearing is in tip-top shape

I doubt you are the youngest. 14, beat THAT.
[/quote]

Most 14 year olds I know use misspellings and "lolspeak" to try to look kewl on teh inner netz. u no wut i meen?

[Andrew G. Doe]

- Oh yeah, and lastly, as one of the youngest members on this board, my hearing is in tip-top shape

I doubt you are the youngest. 14, beat THAT.

Most 14 year olds I know use misspellings and "lolspeak" to try to look kewl on teh inner netz. u no wut i meen?
[/quote]

Really ?  I figured they did that because they can't spell in the first place.

[adamghost]

I will probably get yelled at for this.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUkB6X8mMhg

He's not quite hoarse or off key, but it's fairly obvious that he's struggling.

Now here's the interesting thing about this track...I've heard an alternate version of this on some b**tleg or other somewhere, and there's a different Brian vocal, probably an earlier take, and Brian is REALLY struggling with the vocal, especially the transition to and from falsetto.

I would very much like to hear the version you mentioned...

This isn't one of those situations where I have to be coy about where I heard it to not get someone in trouble....I honestly don't remember where I heard it but it probably was on one of a number of vinyl J & D boots from the late '80s.  I still have them somewhere but I don't have a record player anymore.

[adamghost]

- Oh yeah, and lastly, as one of the youngest members on this board, my hearing is in tip-top shape

I doubt you are the youngest. 14, beat THAT.

Most 14 year olds I know use misspellings and "lolspeak" to try to look kewl on teh inner netz. u no wut i meen?
[/quote]

Dude!  Awesome.  Great to have you here.

I was 14 when I got into the Beach Boys and let me tell you, it was NOT something than won me a lot of popularity!  That was back in the '80s and they hadn't fully gotten their due yet at that point.

[Jay]

- Oh yeah, and lastly, as one of the youngest members on this board, my hearing is in tip-top shape

I doubt you are the youngest. 14, beat THAT.

Most 14 year olds I know use misspellings and "lolspeak" to try to look kewl on teh inner netz. u no wut i meen?

Dude!  Awesome.  Great to have you here.

I was 14 when I got into the Beach Boys and let me tell you, it was NOT something than won me a lot of popularity!  That was back in the '80s and they hadn't fully gotten their due yet at that point.
[/quote]Ha! I saw my first Beach Boys concert at the age of seven.