Wild Honey - November 21, 1967

[Bud Shaver]

Something tells me the crowd wasn't digging this 'new' song as much as we do now...

https://soundcloud.com/bud_shaver/wild-honey-112167

[SurferDownUnder]

Something tells me the crowd wasn't digging this 'new' song as much as we do now...

https://soundcloud.com/bud_shaver/wild-honey-112167

What was wrong with their reaction?

[Bud Shaver]

California Girls was the previous song and the crowd was pretty jazzed by the end. When Wild Honey kicks in their enthusiasm seems to evaporate.  I wasn't there, so it's an uneducated guess. 

[SurferDownUnder]

California Girls was the previous song and the crowd was pretty jazzed by the end. When Wild Honey kicks in their enthusiasm seems to evaporate.  I wasn't there, so it's an uneducated guess. 

Its a great clip btw, I guess it just shows the neutrality people seemed to have towards the Boys post-Pet Sounds

[filledeplage]

California Girls was the previous song and the crowd was pretty jazzed by the end. When Wild Honey kicks in their enthusiasm seems to evaporate.  I wasn't there, so it's an uneducated guess.  

Its a great clip btw, I guess it just shows the neutrality people seemed to have towards the Boys post-Pet Sounds

False assumption.  It had only been out a month.  

There was plenty of "response" when I saw them that week for WH.  

[Douchepool]

These are some great recordings, aren't they? Where's the November 1967 tour two-disc set? 2017 perhaps?

[filledeplage]

These are some great recordings, aren't they? Where's the November 1967 tour two-disc set? 2017 perhaps?

Oh, baby! I'd love that! 

 

[HeyJude]

Ugh. Audience recollection, and even honest-to-god legit recordings of shows, will even result in different opinions as to audience response. My recollection of the late '67 recordings where they aired the new tracks was that they got polite applause/cheering, but less so than the older stuff. That hasn't changed nearly 50 years later for nearly every band for all time. New stuff is less known. And back in '67, it was more likely than these days for a bunch of fans to have not heard the "new" song, since they couldn't have previewed it on YouTube the night before.

[Emdeeh]

CARL WILSON LIVE on lead!! Love it, love it, thank you for posting.

[Mikie]

The group was previewing the "Wild Honey" material. This is from one of the November, 1967 soundboard shows - Detroit, Nov. 17, New York, Nov 21, Boston, Nov. 23, Pittsburgh, Nov. 27. These are all documented on the 2-CD "Beach boys Live 1967 - A Vocal Element" bootleg.

[bossaroo]

killer stuff but I assume that's Mike playing the tannerin? that man should never have been given an instrument, let's be honest.

[Douchepool]

killer stuff but I assume that's Mike playing the tannerin? that man should never have been given an instrument, let's be honest.

Moog ribbon controller.

[Ray Lawlor]

killer stuff but I assume that's Mike playing the tannerin? that man should never have been given an instrument, let's be honest.

This is from the Westchester County Civic Center in NY.  I was seated about 30 rows back ; I thought it was great, and the crowd was ok.  That is Mike on the theremin thing, I don't think it was a tannerin , and Bruce on Hammond B-3.  Carl sounded awesome. My recollection was that they debuted Darlin' that night too, which blew my doors off.

[Douchepool]

Daryl Dragon and Ron Brown on keys and bass respectively.

[Mikie]

killer stuff but I assume that's Mike playing the tannerin? that man should never have been given an instrument, let's be honest.

This is from the Westchester County Civic Center in NY.  I was seated about 30 rows back ; I thought it was great, and the crowd was ok.  That is Mike on the theremin thing, I don't think it was a tannerin , and Bruce on Hammond B-3.  Carl sounded awesome. My recollection was that they debuted Darlin' that night too, which blew my doors off.

So to narrow it down, Ray, you saw this show at Westchester County Civic Center on Nov 21, 1967.  What a time to be a fan!

[Ray Lawlor]

killer stuff but I assume that's Mike playing the tannerin? that man should never have been given an instrument, let's be honest.

This is from the Westchester County Civic Center in NY.  I was seated about 30 rows back ; I thought it was great, and the crowd was ok.  That is Mike on the theremin thing, I don't think it was a tannerin , and Bruce on Hammond B-3.  Carl sounded awesome. My recollection was that they debuted Darlin' that night too, which blew my doors off.

So to narrow it down, Ray, you saw this show at Westchester County Civic Center on Nov 21, 1967.  What a time to be a fan!

Yes, Mikie; first concert I was able to drive to !  They were really damn good; my biggest takeaway  I remember was that Al was singing most of Brian's parts

[Rocker]

killer stuff but I assume that's Mike playing the tannerin? that man should never have been given an instrument, let's be honest.

This is from the Westchester County Civic Center in NY.  I was seated about 30 rows back ; I thought it was great, and the crowd was ok.  That is Mike on the theremin thing, I don't think it was a tannerin , and Bruce on Hammond B-3.  Carl sounded awesome. My recollection was that they debuted Darlin' that night too, which blew my doors off.

So to narrow it down, Ray, you saw this show at Westchester County Civic Center on Nov 21, 1967.  What a time to be a fan!

Yes, Mikie; first concert I was able to drive to !  They were really damn good; my biggest takeaway  I remember was that Al was singing most of Brian's parts

He indeed took over most of the falsetto parts. Bruce stepped in for "I get around" "Wouldn't it be nice" "Fun, fun, fun" and probably a couple of others.

Ray, are you aware that the shows are out there in great sound? Sounds like multitrack to me so I wonder if they recorded these shows (there are 4 on A Vocal Element) as a substitution for Lei'd In Hawaii.

[Douchepool]

If I remember correctly the November 1967 shows were recorded in mono on two-track tape for the band's own reference.

[Rocker]

If I remember correctly the November 1967 shows were recorded in mono on two-track tape for the band's own reference.

Thanks for that info! Do you know why they recorded it? Just for having an idea how they sound or was it with a release in mind?

[Douchepool]

Probably to hear how it sounded.

[Ray Lawlor]

killer stuff but I assume that's Mike playing the tannerin? that man should never have been given an instrument, let's be honest.

This is from the Westchester County Civic Center in NY.  I was seated about 30 rows back ; I thought it was great, and the crowd was ok.  That is Mike on the theremin thing, I don't think it was a tannerin , and Bruce on Hammond B-3.  Carl sounded awesome. My recollection was that they debuted Darlin' that night too, which blew my doors off.

So to narrow it down, Ray, you saw this show at Westchester County Civic Center on Nov 21, 1967.  What a time to be a fan!

Yes, Mikie; first concert I was able to drive to !  They were really damn good; my biggest takeaway  I remember was that Al was singing most of Brian's parts

He indeed took over most of the falsetto parts. Bruce stepped in for "I get around" "Wouldn't it be nice" "Fun, fun, fun" and probably a couple of others.

Ray, are you aware that the shows are out there in great sound? Sounds like multitrack to me so I wonder if they recorded these shows (there are 4 on A Vocal Element) as a substitution for Lei'd In Hawaii.

No that is the first time I heard Wild Honey since that night....that is really clean.  Totally sounds like a board mix.  I want a board mix of the Feb 1971 Carnagie Hall concert, the Whiskey with Brian 1970, and Seattle with Brian when Mike was "unavailable".  Those three ; that's all I need.  Not too much to ask !

[HeyJude]

If I remember correctly the November 1967 shows were recorded in mono on two-track tape for the band's own reference.

That's what I recall reading/hearing too, and the recordings (which admittedly I haven't heard in quite awhile) sound like they are locked into whatever mix is being heard. Even a rough mix or all-faders-up mix from a multi-track source would probably sound a bit more spread-out and have a little more breathing room. I vaguely recall some or all of those '67 shows sound a bit over-driven in terms of volume.

Certainly very listenable and *releasable*!

[Rocker]

If I remember correctly the November 1967 shows were recorded in mono on two-track tape for the band's own reference.

That's what I recall reading/hearing too, and the recordings (which admittedly I haven't heard in quite awhile) sound like they are locked into whatever mix is being heard. Even a rough mix or all-faders-up mix from a multi-track source would probably sound a bit more spread-out and have a little more breathing room. I vaguely recall some or all of those '67 shows sound a bit over-driven in terms of volume.

Certainly very listenable and *releasable*!

In a boxset with the complete '65 Chicago show please!

killer stuff but I assume that's Mike playing the tannerin? that man should never have been given an instrument, let's be honest.

This is from the Westchester County Civic Center in NY.  I was seated about 30 rows back ; I thought it was great, and the crowd was ok.  That is Mike on the theremin thing, I don't think it was a tannerin , and Bruce on Hammond B-3.  Carl sounded awesome. My recollection was that they debuted Darlin' that night too, which blew my doors off.

So to narrow it down, Ray, you saw this show at Westchester County Civic Center on Nov 21, 1967.  What a time to be a fan!

Yes, Mikie; first concert I was able to drive to !  They were really damn good; my biggest takeaway  I remember was that Al was singing most of Brian's parts

He indeed took over most of the falsetto parts. Bruce stepped in for "I get around" "Wouldn't it be nice" "Fun, fun, fun" and probably a couple of others.

Ray, are you aware that the shows are out there in great sound? Sounds like multitrack to me so I wonder if they recorded these shows (there are 4 on A Vocal Element) as a substitution for Lei'd In Hawaii.

No that is the first time I heard Wild Honey since that night....that is really clean.  Totally sounds like a board mix.  I want a board mix of the Feb 1971 Carnagie Hall concert, the Whiskey with Brian 1970, and Seattle with Brian when Mike was "unavailable".  Those three ; that's all I need.  Not too much to ask !

I don't know if professional recordings of these exist but audience recordings for at least the '71 Carnegie and the Seattle (with Brian) shows make the rounds.

[Don Malcolm]

You mean '75 Beachago, I beieve...or is there a killer BB concert in Chicago during 1965 that I don't know about??

Carl sounds just a little tentative in this performance...shifting down in the bridges (which makes sense, actually, because those notes have got to be awfully hard to hit--we can tell that it's something of a strain in the studio version. Which is just another reason why it was great to have Blondie in the band for awhile to give it a different approach...and maybe a key change?).

Ray, and any/all who were there or know more details about this concert: did they go deeper into WH the LP beyond this track and Darlin'?

[HeyJude]

You mean '75 Beachago, I beieve...or is there a killer BB concert in Chicago during 1965 that I don't know about??

Carl sounds just a little tentative in this performance...shifting down in the bridges (which makes sense, actually, because those notes have got to be awfully hard to hit--we can tell that it's something of a strain in the studio version. Which is just another reason why it was great to have Blondie in the band for awhile to give it a different approach...and maybe a key change?).

Ray, and any/all who were there or know more details about this concert: did they go deeper into WH the LP beyond this track and Darlin'?

There's definitely a Chicago '65 recording. Little bits and pieces of it have been out there over the years on various official and unofficial releases.