New Jack Rieley Interview!

[Andrew G. Doe]

In the meantime, I've had to find another job, and I'm pleased to say I have managed to do so - however, obviously it wouldn't look good if I were to have said I was sacked from my previous job (regardless of whether the sacking was against employment law) and so therefore I lied in my interview and said I'd left of my own accord. Well, I've now been at my new job for a month and it's going great!

So drbeachboy... was that lie not justified? Or should I have told the truth for the sake of being holier than thou even if it'd meant I wouldn't have got the job?

We're I you, I'd be holding my breath and hoping my new employers don't contact my previous workplace. If they do, your ass is toast. That they (seemingly) haven't is also a cause for concern as it implies their hiring policies are a mite slapdash.

[drbeachboy]

That's bullcrap!

It's not, it's just a different set of ethics. You're starting to annoy me now. I'm going to have to open a can of BergenWhiteMoustache on your sorry arse.

But I'll miss you so much when you get your sorry ass banned. Also, that is not different ethics, that is no ethics. Remind me never to hire you for a job, but I bet you'd be great selling snake oil.

Let's be done with this. I hate arguing over something that happened 40 years ago and like most things that we argue over, means nothing.

No don't leave it here, because you haven't answered the question I directly addressed to you at the end of my last but one post!

If it was me, I would have explained the situation, especially if I really felt I was let go unfairly. Sounds like you had a labor board or something backing your claim for your new employer to check. Also, I am not holier than thou, but I was brought to be honest and have integrity. With your issue and with Jack Rieley, I would have handled it differently. Others have agreed with my position while some of you haven't. Either way each will do as they see fit. One thing I like to know though, and that is why he felt he had to lie with such an elaborate story?  

[Andrew G. Doe]

Goebbels allegedly once said something along the lines of "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it". Very likely apocryphal, but the basic premise is valid.

[ontor pertawst]

Manson. Goebbels. Rieley.

Think about, won't you? Thank you.

Say, how about someone with the magazine give us another tidbit before I start namechecking the Kaiser?

[drbeachboy]

Manson. Goebbels. Rieley.

Think about, won't you? Thank you.

Indeed! You should think and think very hard, but don't hurt yourself doing so.

[filledeplage]

Goebbels allegedly once said something along the lines of "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it". Very likely apocryphal, but the basic premise is valid.

Yes, Andrew, and shockingly and successfully employed still by some politicians in government against apathetic, uninformed citizenry. The art of propaganda.

[ontor pertawst]

Cue bouncy educational film music.

"YOU are the manager... what would YOU do?"

The really good liars are fairly deluded and seem to semi-believe their own lies. That really seems to help sell a lie! Probably helps keep their stories in order, too.

[filledeplage]

Cue bouncy educational film music.

"YOU are the manager... what would YOU do?"

The really good liars are fairly deluded and seem to semi-believe their own lies. That really seems to help sell a lie! Probably helps keep their stories in order, too.
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Plenty of propaganda in education.  It is dangerous.

The truth is stranger than fiction, (but always more amusing! - my philosophy! ) Twain and Lord Byron have been credited for the former. 

I agree with your statement about delusional liars. 

How do they keep their stories straight?   

[The Shift]

Goebbels allegedly once said something along the lines of "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it". Very likely apocryphal, but the basic premise is valid.

Goebbels or Jeffrey Archer?

[SurfRiderHawaii]

Goebbels allegedly once said something along the lines of "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe ."

Has worked smashingly for Fox News!

[Andrew G. Doe]

To be a really good, successful liar, it's imperative to remember WHAT you said to WHO and WHEN.

I can.  

[SurfRiderHawaii]

To be a really good, successful liar, it's imperative to remember WHAT you said to WHO and WHEN.

I can. 

Be a successful liar or remember what you said? 

On an completely unrelated note, I find it odd there is so little discussion of MIC/like WIBNTLA and such. Is the board past the point of no return where nothing makes us jump in the air and click our heels?

[Iron Horse-Apples]

That's bullcrap!

It's not, it's just a different set of ethics. You're starting to annoy me now. I'm going to have to open a can of BergenWhiteMoustache on your sorry arse.

But I'll miss you so much when you get your sorry ass banned. Also, that is not different ethics, that is no ethics. Remind me never to hire you for a job, but I bet you'd be great selling snake oil.

Let's be done with this. I hate arguing over something that happened 40 years ago and like most things that we argue over, means nothing.

 , of course.

So can we at least agree that people's sense of right and wrong is as subjective as musical taste?

And that your right is no righter than my wrong is wrong?

[monicker]

This thread has taught me a few things:

1. Once someone lies, everything they say is a lie. EVERYTHING. Every single word.
2. Integrity and character are very important to fans of the Beach Boys when it concerns those in the band’s inner circle, but not when it concerns the band members themselves.
3. Lying on a CV is a slippery slope that can lead to embezzlement and potentially even masterminding a murderous cult or genocide. 
4. Sail On Sailor is a great song. 

[drbeachboy]

That's bullcrap!

It's not, it's just a different set of ethics. You're starting to annoy me now. I'm going to have to open a can of BergenWhiteMoustache on your sorry arse.

But I'll miss you so much when you get your sorry ass banned. Also, that is not different ethics, that is no ethics. Remind me never to hire you for a job, but I bet you'd be great selling snake oil.

Let's be done with this. I hate arguing over something that happened 40 years ago and like most things that we argue over, means nothing.

 , of course.

So can we at least agree that people's sense of right and wrong is as subjective as musical taste?

And that your right is no righter than my wrong is wrong?

No, I won't go that far, but if you think lying is the way get through life, then go for it!

[Mr. Wilson]

 3 songs come to mind right now..1) Liar Liar The Castaways  2) Lies The Knickerbockers  3) Lyin Eyes The Eagles.. Can anyone think of any others.?

[drbeachboy]

This thread has taught me a few things:

1. Once someone lies, everything they say is a lie. EVERYTHING. Every single word.
2. Integrity and character are very important to fans of the Beach Boys when it concerns those in the band’s inner circle, but not when it concerns the band members themselves.
3. Lying on a CV is a slippery slope that can lead to embezzlement and potentially even masterminding a murderous cult or genocide.  
4. Sail On Sailor is a great song.  

1. Yes, I will think twice before believing you again.
2. Has nothing to do with The Boys. Parents taught me that.
3. Not all the time, but if you have lie to succeed, then I'd say you don't have the talent to do the job, to begin with. We all lie, no denying that, but the liar and the one being lied to need to figure out its full effect. Two liars lying to one another probably has no effect, except both never fully trusting each other.
4. Indeed! Even the story teller don't like dealing with lying or sighing or dying.

[drbeachboy]

3 songs come to mind right now..1) Liar Liar The Castaways  2) Lies The Knickerbockers  3) Lyin Eyes The Eagles.. Can anyone think of any others.?

Liar by Three Dog Night

[ontor pertawst]

another tuneless racket:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubouVj4rAlI

[Mr. Wilson]

ooh .! 3 Dog Night thats a good one.

[bgas]

Queen-  Liar 
Killer-  Liar 
Beyonce and Shakira-  Beautiful Liar
Miranda Lambert-  White Liar 
Taking Back Sunday - Liar (It Takes One To Know One)
Profyle - Liar
Hunter Valentine-  Liar Liar 
Henry Rollins-  Liar 
Emilie Autumn-  Liar 
Sturm und Drang-   goshdarn Liar   
Sunnyboys-  Liar 
Adolescents - The Liar
We The Kings-  Don't Speak Liar   
Panic At The Disco-  Lying Is The Most Fun A Girl Can Have Without Taking Her Clothes Off   
Fall Out Boy-  The Patron Saint Of Liars and Fakes 
Escape The Fate-  Liars And Monsters
Never Shout Never-  Liar Liar
Florence And The Machine-   I Never Called You A Liar

[runnersdialzero]

PANIC AT THE DISCO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mr. Cohen]

People lie on resumes because interviewers tend to be ridiculously judgmental. Hell, even if you don't lie on your resume, you probably greatly exaggerate/lie about your qualities in the interview.

[Andrew G. Doe]

To be a really good, successful liar, it's imperative to remember WHAT you said to WHO and WHEN.

I can. 

Be a successful liar or remember what you said? 

Actually, I lied about that. 

[Jim V.]

"When I said that I was lying I might have been lying"
                                  -Elvis Costello


By the way, nobody mentioned "Little Lies" by the Macs of Fleetwood. Woulda thought that'd be one of the first mentioned.