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As for "Heroes and Villains,Part Two"(intended B-side of the unreleased "Smile"-era "Heroes and Villains" single), does it, or did it ever exist? This question may(or may not) be answered by the new "Smile" box set. The sequence of 8 segments  with "My children were raised..." as the 7th segment  and concluding with the Heroes and Villains chorus(which debuted on the Japanese T-2580 bootleg CD) has been widely thought to be "Part 2"

Brian was planning a double-sided 45 at one point, was he not?
Mark Linnett has confirmed that there is a longer version of 'Heroes' than the ones we know about.

I disagree that part 2 would have been just the "sections" that are found in your Big O collection.

I think part 1 was the Cantina mix that ends with a tag, and part 2 would have included more sections and concluded with the "boy/girl" and "sunny down snuff" bits.

i've always enjoyed the "MOK" 8 minute h&v mix.  if they made a mix incorporating that "the heroes the heroes the heroes and villains" and the "he gives speeches" "aaahhh duuum dum dum de do be doo" thing, then i'd be happy. 

In assembling my version of "Smile", I went by "the book"......Domenic Priore's 2nd edition of "Look Listen, Vibrate,Smile". Whether Priore was correct or incorrect, there's no doubt that I followed his "instructions"  exactly "to the letter". Priore's version of "Smile" would have fit onto two sides of a vinyl record, whereas BWPS wouldn't have, and doesn't.

I really wish I did not like your "Smile" stuff..

Brian had the concept in mind, with the tracks actually being slated in the control room as "part 2" or whatever, but I think the notion of a finished "part 2" may have fallen victim to Brian's 1967 tinkering and re-making/re-recording, after that brilliant burst of work energy in late '66 which saw a lot more of his more complete musical ideas realized. It seems the focus and energy shifted to repetitive short passages and unnecessary re-makes. Not saying there were not some brilliant moments...

Finding a new archived test edit of anything connected to "part 2" would be quite a holy grail of a find, if said test edit exists.

One of the boots, maybe archaeology, has a Brian edit of the heroes sections which is very similar to the Linnet edit on the GV box, except it is missing Gee from the start, and False Barnyard from the end. Interestingly you can hear on this edit that Swedish Frog has been spilced out - maybe to use for another tack, who knows?

My personal hunch was that the initial Heroes part 2 kicked off with Heroes Intro, plus maybe the minor key bicycle rider variations, and then subsequently Brian scrapped this and recorded Gee as the intro to Heroes part 2 and all the major key bicycle rider variations as the main body of it.

I would dearly love to see an unearthed, unbooted Heroes mix as part of this new box, although won't be holding my breath for any unbooted stuff.

Don't believe there ever was a "Part 2". Never have, never will.

The most convincing evidence for me is the existence of Heroes Intro. It's titled as an intro, but surely wouldn't have been an intro the main single, which only leaves the option of it kicking off a 2nd incarnation of H&V i.e. a B side.

Gee, to my ears, clearly sounds like an intro, but I very much doubt Brian ever intended to start H&V with it so that leaves another potential intro track for side 2.

My thought was "Part Two" only existed as being the second part of a song called "Heroes And Villains".  As I've said before, my guess on the mythical "long version" is the Cantina version, up through the tape explosion, right into the first chorus of the regular single version (with no "Barnshine").  I always thought the "Part Two" tag came from that section being the second half of the song, following the obvious split point for the single, if it were spread over both sides of the 45. 

I don't think anyone ever pondered over the writing or recording of a Don McLean song called "American Pie Part Two" even though that was the "title" to the B-side of "American Pie".

Hopefully that makes sense.  It is kinda late.

Also I think the intro, like the prayer, would have been an unlisted "hidden" track, beating the Beatles' "Her Majesty" to it by two years and even their "Sgt. Pepper Inner Groove" by several months

Reading what's been printed recently, I think you're wrong.

I, too, find the comments from Mark Linnet very heartening as regards stuff that even the bootleggers haven't got hold of, and also a longer version of H&V that he suggests is kicking about. However the pessimist in me is erring on the side of caution with all this. A) They may well have found unbooted material but it may not necessarily make the cut for the final tracklisting, B) the longer version of H&V that Mark describes caould just be the sections we already know and not necessarily an unbooted vintage edit (surely that would just be too good to be true!) and C) That Linnett interview is peppered full of typos so there's plenty of room for chinese-whisper-syndrome if you ask me!

But I've been proven wrong by your optimistic forecasts once already in the last week and am happy to be proven wrong again!  :)

I don't know anything about any new material discovered, so that may change things. But as things stand now it seems to me you can make a case for or against an H&V Part/Side 2.

I think the case for is stronger. You have two scenesters who claim it was intended or existed and you have tracks identified as Part/Side 2 with their own master numbers which are recorded concurrently with the H&V tracks not identified as Part/side 2 under a different master number. As far as I can tell now, coincidently all of the so far identified Part/side two tracks are samples of non-H&V SMiLE album tracks.

Interesting either way.

That's what I thought at first until I read Mark's interview.  He knows what's out there in 'Unofficial Cd land', and a lot of times in the past people have said 'there isn't anything new' or 'everyone pretty much has heard it all'. IIRC he didn't say anything like that this time around.  I'm pretty confident we will hear new stuff. It may not be the stuff we want, but it will be new.

he actually said most of it will be new.  which probably isn't true, but cool.

Am I wrong in remembering that there are/were several Heroes sessions where the track about to be recorded is slated in the control room as "part 2" or something similar? As I wrote above there seems to have been a part 2 at least in the concept stage.

There is the Heroes part that sounds like a precursor to Do A Lot that the engineer names as Part 1 Tag. It's a fade to the single as far as I can tell. Why would you name a piece Part 1 Tag, if you weren't intending to create a part 2? This debunks the argument (imo) that Brian often split single songs up into parts for the purpose of recording, and that is why some Heroes sessions are called part 2, not because Brian was actually recording a 2 part single. The fact we have a definite fade called Part 1 Tag seems good evidence for a two part H&V to me. Think about it - part 1 has a tag. There is a Heroes Intro, which clearly wasn't intended as an intro to the main single. It's a no brainer if you ask me.

I agree.  Who knows whether a part 2 would have ever actually ended up being released, but the evidence definitely suggests that the idea was in Brian's mind for awhile. 

I'd have to look over recording dates, but I think that perhaps part 2 was intended to be the second side of the single release, and not on the Smile album itself (thus allowing Brian to keep as much of Smile a secret as possible).  As fascinating as the sections that were supposedly intended for part 2 are, I'm not sure they could stand alone as a distinct album track.  I just can't see any other use for a lot of those sections, as they don't really seem to fit within any versions of the Heroes single we've heard.

Or maybe Brian was experimenting with two versions of the same song?

I mean, this stuff is basically impossible to pin down. For instance, on the 'Dum-Dum-Dum' session, Chuck calls out 'Version 4, Part 2'. Is that a 4th version of Heroes & Villains? the song? as in the entire piece? or just the chants? if it's just the chants, why is it part 2? Etcetera, etecera.

Sure, i think a 'Part Two' for Heroes & Villains existed. I think the acapella chants would have been an amazing b-side to the single, but he never finished the damn things and changed his mind! *mashes keyboard in frustration*  :lol

I agree  - a lot of those Heroes sections are quite repetitive. Beautiful, but repetitive in a sort of "look what we can do" way. I think that they were designed for the Heroes b side makes perfect sense. They are throwaway - an advert for the album, but not part of the album proper.

So your belief is those long "the heroes, the heroes..." and "dit dit dit, heroes and villains" chants were actually meant to be part of the A side at one point?  Because to me they have always sounded like a throwaway B side (as others here have said). 

I'm with Cam - there definitely were plans to do a Heroes Part 2 at one point.  Whether it was finished is unclear - Chuck Britz said it was finished and mixed, but we don't have it in the tape archive.

As another poster mentioned, there is a mixed edit of the Heroes "sections" on the Sea of Tunes boot which has the "Swedish frog" edited out but otherwise sounds like it could have been a Part 2 in progress.  We have reports of five and six minute versions of Heroes which sounds like Parts 1 and 2 together (not split into two parts yet) - I don't think Brian would have released a six minute Heroes single as it would be unlikely to get much airplay (despite the success of the long Dylan Rolling Stone).  Hopefully this is the longer version Mark is referring to - possibly the same as on Al's acetate (or Bruce's).

Regardless of whether the chants were intended for a B-side or not, they work really well as replacements for the "Bicycle Rider" chorus!

Exactly - they're really nothing all that complicated, just basically Brian showing off how many different ways he can present a really simple idea.  Hell, "Mama Says" is really a dumbed-down version of that very idea.  Even though that track ended up on an album, I can't imagine Brian wasting a track on his "teenage symphony to God" on some throwaway vocal experiments (not to knock them at all - I find them all quite fascinating).

Particularly the fast one with the Hammer & anvil percussion!

Can you imagine how many minds here will be blown if the above is true!?

The press release on BW.com suggests that a tracklisting will be released soon (which conflicts somewhat with what Mark says in his interview about a bit of work still needing to be done). I wonder when we will get a tracklisting and whether we'll be able to glean anything from that about unbooted material, especially the presence of an unbooted vintage edit of Heroes?

The term "soon" might be relative when it comes to a 44-year project.

Those sections(in that sequence) were in Capitol's proposed 1988 "Smile" compilation, and as it has been stated, they were on a mono mix reel, in that order, but not yet spliced together.

And given that they were not spliced together suggests to me that Brian considered them fragments that could be edited into other tracks (maybe as choruses to "Heroes & Villains", maybe something else).

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Would care to expand on - As far as I can tell now, coincidently all of the so far identified Part/side two tracks are samples of non-H&V SMiLE album tracks. please

Thanks

Take 2. I typed out a response and fumble fingered it away into the ether. [sigh]

First: there are two eye/earwitnesses that testified there was two parts/sides to the H&V single, Vosse and Britz. Are far as I remember, they both gave this witness long before there was a controversy over the subject.

Second, the documentation: We have the documentation of a master for H&V and a separate master for an H&V Part 2. Two separate masters recorded concurrently. I take the notation as for a master as the normal meaning which would be recording or recordings collected and edited together as a stand alone recording which could than be collected with other stand alone masters as an album or on separate sides of a single.

Third: one of the recordings for the H&V Part 2 master is also actually identified as for "side 2".

So that is the main evidence in favor of imo.

Not evidence for but a coincidence that the H&V single was described by those who heard it at the time as longer than usual, especially the usual for the BBs singles.

My info here may be out of date since recent activity finding and identifying recordings but as far as I know some of the recordings for the H&V Part/side 2 master have been found and identified, some probably have not. Of the ones that have/had been found and identified as positively as possible, I noticed they share a coincidence, they all are modified samples from other non-H&V SMiLE album tracks. Correct me where my memory is faulty. There is the Jan 5 recording for the H&V Part/Side 2 master which is a sample of DYLW with DYLW lyric. There is the intro for the H&V Part 2 master number which is a modified sample of Fire. There is fade for the H&V Part 2 master number which is a modified sample of the fade for OMP. Did I miss anything or misstate? So far it is just another interesting coincidence until more is known about all of the recordings for the H&V Part 2 master number.

The main evidence against, I think, is that Brian said in February he didn’t want to give away too much about SMiLE on the  2nd side of the H&V single. Is that a deal breaker? Maybe but to me it is extremely pale compared to the over evidence. It also could be true when said and still not rule out a 2 sided H&V single. I would point out that in spite of what Brian said he also said he was going back and forth on the issue and sure enough, coincidently, he had been recording tracks for a separate H&V Part 2 master before that comment and more importantly he resumed recording tracks for a separate H&V Part 2 master after. And that post-February Brian comment, post February-March H&V Part 2 master recordings, but pre-Smiley version, of a two sided H&V single is what Britz was specifically referring to if  I remember it right.

Discuss, please.

Wow Cam - thanks so much for this - all new to these ears - but then I have been away for seven years - is what you are saying the following

H&V Part 2 was a sampler for other Smile album tracks - like we we now have in the 21st Century on the like of Amazon and iTunes - but freaked versions of those tracks. These samples consisted of

1. Modified Fire sample - H&V Intro?????
2. Modified DYLW sample _ BR theme???
3. Modified YAMS sample - Barnshine???

Plus anything else - anyone?? Are these available anywhere

I am stoked at this

Yeah, it looks like that might have been the deal, but that is based on a coicidence between some of the tracks for the H&V Part 2 master. One newly identified non-album sample track for the H&V Part 2 master would change things.

Another possible coincidence was the supposed existence of a PS album sampler side in the archives intended for a PS single but not used. Whether that really exists is under scrutiny, the source for it BE under suspicion. It is being looked into but confirmation or non-confirmation may be a while in coming. Even if it did exist and had been intended for a PS single, was it put together by Brian or Capitol? Does it really say anything about the H&V single? [shrug]

I don't believe there ever was a "Part 1". There you go!  ;)

I mean, there was a track "Shut Down, Part 2", remember? But no "Shut Down, Part 1", just a track "Shut Down" which had no resemblance or connection to "Shut Down, Part 2".  8)

Is this the re-record of the false barnyard fade with Carl's doo-be-doo scatting over the top? I always assumed that this was the 'fade' that would have followed 'Prelude to Fade' (western theme) and therefore this was to be the tag to part 1 of the single, usurping false barnyard (the cantina fade). Does the master no. suggest this was actually the fade to side 2 (if we accept the 2 part single idea)?

So we'd potentially have had Western theme + False Barnyard rounding off side 1, and False Barnyard re-record rounding off side 2?

Does anyone know when the Tag to Part 1 (the prototype of Do A Lot) was recorded? When was that likely discarded as a fade to the single, or could it have still been in the running in 67?

Going by master numbers, the re-recorded OMP "insert"/fade of Feb 28 with Carl scat was for H&V Part 2 [master number 57045]. The "prelude to fade" of Feb. 15 was for H&V [master number 57020]. Not sure what was the fade for H&V [master number 57020] by early March '67.

As I remember, a version of "Tag to Part 1" was recorded by December but apparently there were at least 4? versions, or so...?...doesn't an engineer call out a take as version four or something?...but I'm not sure it is known when they would have been recorded.

I guess an interesting question is: What are the candidates to follow prelude to fade at that point? As I see it, likely options would be:
1. False Barnyard.
2. Minor key Bike Rider (which is the fade on the 45). Mark L sequences the minor key piano version after Prelude in the Heroes Sections track and it sounds perfect.
3. Tag To Part 1 (precursor to Do A Lot)
4. My Children Were Raised/Sunny Down Snuff - Could Brian have started this idea around the same time, or is this only something he worked on during Smiley?
5. Barnyard. I suspect this had been broken off at this point, maybe to be used with Great Shape or Old Master Painter, but there's no evidence that Brian wouldn't still have used it to close Heroes is there?


Version 4 is the one that has the Windchimes style piano embellishments, which would have been a beautiful fade to the single.

In response to your theory as H&V pt 2 as a sampler, there are many instances where H&V sections seemed to be representing specific Smile songs: The above version of the Tag = Windchimes is a good example, but I'm inclined to think Brian was just recycling left right and centre at this point and techniques from different songs were being replicated all over the place. That said, Heroes Intro seems to be a very deliberate nod to Fire, in that it really is quite out of place within H&V, so maybe Brian was saying "here kids, this is some of the stuff that will be on the album".

Truth be told, we cannot conclusively say that there would have been a "part 2" as its own track; we also can't say there wouldn't have been. Remember, Brian was constantly changing his mind back and forth...and even if there was an actual "part 2" mastered, acetated, announced by Britz during recording sessions, etc., that doesn't mean anything, when you consider:

1) how many people don't think "Our Prayer" is an intro, despite that Brian actually said during the recording sessions/rehearsals, "This is 'intro to the album,' take 1."

2) part numbers don't necessarily correspond to anything. Case in point: "Fire" was announced as "The Elements, part 1" -- all it means perhaps is that it was the second thing recorded, the second thing recorded under that title during the same session, or maybe the same day, the same studio, etc.

Basically, for every eyewitness/earwitness who swears one thing, there's another who swears another.

As for that string of H&V "sections," Linett himself said that he basically took every fragment labeled "Heroes and Villains" he could find (remember, this was many years ago and more have been unearthed since) and just sequenced them together...

And what we now know as the intro to "Mrs. O'Leary's Cow" intro was actually labeled "Heroes And Villains (intro)" on the tape box....does that mean it would have definitely been an H&V intro? Does that mean it was going to be part of H&V part 2? Was it definitively going to be the "Fire" intro? We don't know.

And we'll probably never know.

Mark also stated that the sessions them selves acted as a guide (or something to that effect) and if you listen to one of the H&V sessions boots (I forget which) you can indeed here them being called in order so Mark's task in stringing them together wasn't only made easier, but was also accurate. One of the SoT boots has precisely such a rough sequence mix though the part known as Swedish Frog is excised.

That interests me. Did Brian consider it too obscure? Or maybe - maybe  - it was sliced out because it wasn't the Beach Boys grunting. Maybe it was the Vosse posse. I say this because I listened to Psychedelic Sounds today and there's some remarkably similar grunting on there.

Swedish Frog also makes a good match for some of the SoT Vega-Tables/Do A Lot sessions, in which case that would fit with Cam's theory about each section representing a different element of SMILE.

I don't know, but even though it's just grunting and such, it has a musicality that seems like it would only come from professional singers.

Swedish Frog was not a favorite of at least one Beach boy - Alan, who said (in Record Collector or Goldmine, I can't remember which) that is was  a humiliating session.  Maybe group resistance was the reason for excising it.

OR (and I like this reason better) he pulled it to go with Great Shape/Barnyard as another section - a bridge between the two parts maybe. Add Do a Lot and you've got the fabled "Barnyard Suite!"

The problem with the "sampler" idea is that usually a sampler uses the actual music from a bunch of different songs.  so then the listener wants to hear those songs complete and buys the album.  Having reworked sections of songs or musical sections (like intro) only reminiscent of other songs would not serve the purpose of having a sampler in the first place.  For me it's just Brian recycling ideas or variations on ideas in an attempt to complete the all important single followup to good Vibrations. 

All fair points (although I think Heroes Intro was erroneously connected with Fire by David Leaf and it's just one of those things that's stuck).

However, as a few have pointed out here, there is a vintage edit of some of the Heroes Sections (with Swedish frog spliced out). This suggests those sections were to run together. Do we really think that was work done for the main H&V single - one of the corner pieces of Smile? The existence of a B side does make sense of a lot of the more throwaway material recorded for H&V - Heroes Intro, Swdish Frog, the dit dit sections etc. It's so repetitive I just have a hard time believing that was designed for an A Side.


Yes, agreed' 'Part 1' is a pretty loose categorization and could refer to part of a session etc. but labelling something as an Intro, as in Heroes Intro, is far more specific. Likewise, how do you explain the naming of 'Tag to Part 1'. That, for me, is extremely suggestive of the existence of a two parted Heroes.


Ha ha - I am one of those people! However, although I think it may have been a closer, I also accept that when he was recording it he was considering it as an opener.

I do agree that we know nothing for certain with Smile, but some clues such as the name 'Tag To Part 1' seem too suggestive imo.

Right, but what we do know points very strongly to a 2 sided H&V single and very weakly away from it.

Except they released it without it being 2-sided, so that's very strongly the other way.  If it was "supposed to be" 2 sided, why not just put it out that way? Why use " You're Welcome" ?

You have to remember, things were very different in February '67 (when Brian was doing extensive work on "Heroes") than when the single came out in July.  Namely, the Capitol lawsuit happened in March (I believe), which probably put a damper on any immediate plans that Brian had for a two-sided "Heroes" single.  Moreover, we all know how excessively Brian was tinkering with the song throughout early '67 - but by the time summer rolled around, Smile as an album concept was no longer on the table.  At that point, I think the general feeling in the group was to just get something out, even if it was an overly-tinkered-with version of "Heroes" and a throwaway B-side.

The same reason the album it was to be a single for didn't come out I suppose: Brian changed his mind.

The question was, was there a two sided H&V and what we do know points very strongly to a 2 sided H&V single and very weakly away from it. What did doesn't change what was.

You make solid points; but, and it's a  huge but, There's no solid physical evidence to support the theory.
No Capitol paperwork, no memos.
If someone can get a lucid Brian to come forth with  real details about this period, that's the only way we'll ever know.
Endless speculation will never reveal anything.

This was my assumption for why Brian may have removed Swedish Frog, although the Boys' objections to it is equally valid. Great Shape + Swedish Frog + Barnyard would've made for an excellent track and works perfectly if you use the version of GS with the tape explosion: Mark and Alan, if you're browsing, you could do worse than this for a Great Shape mix!  :wink

I guess I'm not expressing myself well enough, I thought I was making it pretty clear all along we are talking about best evidence and not certainty.

There is physical evidence for it, the recordings and session documentation for a separate master recording of H&V Part 2. That does not seem to be as significant to many as I think it is. To me that is extremely strong evidence just by itself for the existence, let alone the narrative evidence from two independent witnesses.

Much better evidence then there is for a Surfs Up Part 2 for instance imo. 

Endless speculation is the reason we are here isn't it.  :)

"Heroes and Villains" is really an epic tale.

http://www.examiner.com/beach-boys-in-national/smile

That's a great little article ! Why haven't I seen it before? And more important: When will the next part be up ? Are these new interviews?

Michael Vosse, apparently.  ;D

I didn't know that "Bicycle Rider" referred to the playing cards of the Old West...

i see it as just another playful wordplay that are all over the smile lyrics. 

I think that Van Dyke says that in the last Priore book that came out about SMiLE.

It absolutely did. In the two-part interview that I conducted with Van Dyke in 2004-2005 we discussed almost everything that he and Brian envisioned and discussed about the history of America and the story they were trying to tell. Check out this link: http://www.esquarterly.com/merchandise.html#smile2004smile1967

I think Prayer was intro AND outro. There's that edited version of Prayer with one refrain missing. My hypothesis is that it would have been used at the end, not unlike what was done on BWPS.

“I’m doing the final mix on the A-side tonight, but I can’t decide what to do on the other side. The easiest thing would be to pull something off ‘Pet Sounds’, but I feel that that would be cheating the record-buyer. On the other hand, I want to keep as much of ‘Smile’ a surprise as possible. I may end up just recording me and a piano-I tried it last night in the studio. It would be an interesting contrast, anyway.”

That's what Brian told in February 1967.

It doesn't. Bicycle Rider is just some dude riding on a bike, nothing more, nothing less.  :lol

I guess people often forget that Brian talked quite a bit about SMiLE in 66/67. There's the H&V single quote above from February 1967. So at this point, there was no Part 2 supposed to be on a single. I know, most sessions for Part 2 took place later.

And this interesting statment from as early as late October 1966:

The song (H&V) is going to be a three-minute musical comedy. I'm using some new production techniques that I think will surprise everyone. This LP will include 'Good Vibrations' and 'Heroes And Villains' and ten other tracks, I've written them all in collaboration Van Dyke Parks. The album will include lots of humour - some musical and some spoken. It won't be like a comedy LP - there won't be any spoken tracks as such - but someone might say something in between verses."

Ok, GV was part of SMiLE, a 12 track album.

At the time Our Prayer was an opener, I bet it would've been followed by GV!


Any session correspond with "I may end up just recording me and a piano-I tried it last night in the studio"? What might this have been?

That's the question. "Surf's Up" comes to mind, but that was recorded mid December 1966 of course.

Speculation what that other 10 tracks beside GV + HV were and if Brian really wrote them all in collaboration with Van Dyke Parks. I mean, "Prayer" was wordless and "Holidays" for example didn't have lyrics.
I try:

1. H&V, 2. GV, 3. Wind Chimes, 4. Wonderful, 5. Surf's Up, 6. Home On The Range, 7. Child Is Father To The Man, 8. I Ran, 9. Do You Like Worms?, 10. He Gives Speeches

'All Day'?

Doesn't mean he ever did it. I don't take that sentence wordly, he probably just wanted to say, that he hasn't a plan what will be the b-side

Well, I don't think he necessarily means exactly what he says. He could have easily said of Pet Sounds, that "I wrote all the songs with Tony Asher" when several of the songs weren't written by Asher at all. I think he may be talking in short hand.

That being said, I think there's every reason to believe that the 12 songs he refers to here are probably the same 12 songs that are on the Capitol list, and nine of them would have been credited to VDP, which makes one more track than what Asher is credited for on PS.

The following was quoted on the Hoffman board from a 1974 nme interview with Bruce
"You know, I've got all these tapes up at my house. A seven minute version of “Heroes and Villains”, a lot of things from Smile. Not “Elementals” – that's better off not being heard, if you understand me. And I never play them to anybody, it never occurs to me."

Hopefully this is what Bruce still has and has handed over (I'm assuming he has or will). Personally as well as upgraded sound quality for the tracks we already have,  i'm really hoping for the feb/march long Heroes (which i assume is Bruce's acetate) and one pre cantina version perhaps with i'm in great shape and barnyard included. Maybe even a version between shape/barnyard and cantina (early january version ?) which may be the one Vosse referred to as recorded but not edited together in the Fusion piece. I don't think we've really had the killer version of heroes yet. I'll take a chance and suggest the long version is the one and we'll all get our minds blown and have world peace.

Does Brian have a personal tape/acetate archive ?  Did he give taped home  demos to van dyke to work from or did he record the tracks in the studio and then cut him acetates ? I hope there's been some movement in the Durrie Parks collection situation. It will be a desperate shame if they don't check out all possibilities although i'm confident Alan and Mark will do their best.

Bruce's attitude towards Smile has always bothered me. He seems even more patronizing than Mike about the music.

Elementals.

Time wise "Little Red Book" seemed to fit - purportedly recorded mid February - but hasn't Andrew said that alan's tape search identified this as Friends era?  It does have bass on it as well as piano.

Just Brian and a piano - what about the piano only Bicycle Rider theme?