Four more years!

[hypehat]

I think people would have voted for him regardless, purely because they didn't want to be exposed as the racists they obviously are.

Yep. Clearly the only reason people would vote for a Democrat. To say nothing of the fact that he got the much higher percentages of minority voters than Romney. All racists, though. Do you even listen to yourself?

[Dunderhead]

One thing I don't get about these threads is why you're so giddy about Obama hypehat. I mean, I was under the impression that you were English, so I can't understand why you're so happy. Did you have money riding on the election or something? I haven't actually spoken to anyone yet that's as overjoyed as you are. I went to school in Chicago during the 2008 election, and in 2012, even my college-friends who were diehards 4 years ago, even the people that I know who dutifully voted for Obama *again* on Tuesday don't seem to be nearly as pleased as you.

Barely more than 50% of voters even care enough to cast ballots, and Obama only got 50% of that, and only half of *those* voters even rated themselves as being particularly enthusiastic about Obama in the first place. Democrats are only unified behind Obama when there's a few Republicans around, most of the time, nobody in America really thinks Obama is all that great. It's just the same old sh*t, and the only way the Democratic party even got the vote out this year was with the whole 'lesser of two evils' schtick.

[hypehat]

I'm happy because American conservatism is insane, socially inhibiting to anyone who isn't a straight white male, and just abhorrent in it's discourse. They are dumb people. I mean, when the right's discourse is something like this (I know The Corner is dumb, but people read this sh*t and this sort of stuff is parroted everywhere else enough - full article if u fancy a laugh http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/332979/bitterfest-2012-jay-nordlinger?pg=2)

Perhaps the current America simply would not and could not elect a Mitt Romney. He is, in a way, out of his time. Out of step. A throwback. That’s one reason I like him so.

In America today, we have 14-year-olds screwing like banshees. Everyone thinks that’s cool, or most people do. We have abortion on demand. Nobody gets married, except gays. Divorce is over 50 percent, I believe. It’s “no fault” divorce at that. “The culture is a sewer,” as my friend Mark Helprin says.

You know that Obama sex ad, the one appealing to the hookup culture? “When it’s your first time, make sure it’s with a really cool guy — but not your husband, ha ha ha!” I have paraphrased. But you know the ad I’m talking about.

If that ad doesn’t backfire but actually succeeds, Romney can’t win.

I really wonder what f***ing universe these people live in. So if that mindset, even in a watered-down Rombot version, doesn't get elected President I'm down with that. Aren't you? Not even a little? You can admit it, it's fine.

As an aside, I had £1 riding on Bam - some guy I work with thought Mitt would have an outside chance and we're both a bit broke so we did the fishermans bet thing. I'm not THAT happy about a quid, mind.  

It's nice to see that in some of the amendments and stuff the vote went more to the left too, what with that gay senator, the legalisation of pot, equal marriage in a few states. Sucks about the GM thing. Not bad, USA.

[BergenWhitesMoustache]

Interesting article I found, which goes some way to explaining the bun fight, and why all the brain washed right wingers spout such utter sh*t about Socialism (Obama is right leaning moderate, if anyone cares)

"Conservatism has became a faith-based ecosystem, resistant to any facts that complicate its version of reality. It is driven by apocalyptic terrors. The future of the republic itself is always in danger. The Constitution is destined for the shredder. The American eagle hangs its head. Ironically, the two issues that come closest to a real existential threat — climate change and the 2008 banking crisis — don’t trigger any anxiety in conservatives, while the phantasm of a socialist dictatorship has them trembling with fear and rage."



http://33revolutionsperminute.wordpress.com/2012/11/08/the-gop-delusion-how-conservatives-were-mugged-by-reality/

Despite the facetious comments earlier...I actually find it quite sad that so many political opinions have been bought by the rich right wing extremists.

[Jason]

My problem with Obama (forget Romney, he's a lost cause) is that he's not the champion of civil liberties and liberty and justice for all that his acolytes think he is. He's the same man who signed the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012, which allots dictatorial authority to the president to detain American citizens without trial, due process, or charges. It was already reprehensible when the Authorization for the Use of Military Force Against Terrorists was used to detain anyone in the world minus American citizens without trial, due process, or charges...but now it's gone into a truly despicable realm of evil.

Obama is the same president who has a kill list and has assassinated American citizens without trial, due process, or charges. Now, I don't know what human rights treaties he or his illustrious predecessor has been privy to, but that sh*t goes back to the Magna Carta. Habeas corpus. Due process of law. Even the Constitution protects that fundamental right, and not just for Americans but ANYONE who is held by the United States government.

Those who think Romney would have been better are kidding themselves...he's just as bad.

So I was quite glad to "waste my vote" for Libertarian candidates because I'm sick and tired of these corporate stooges and terrorists that idiotic Americans vote in every two, four, or six years.

[hypehat]

Yo TRBB, you should probably explain how every Obama voter is racist.

[RadBooley]

It's nice to see that in some of the amendments and stuff the vote went more to the left too, what with that gay senator, the legalisation of pot, equal marriage in a few states. Sucks about the GM thing. Not bad, USA.

Gotta ask, what's with the support of labeling GM foods? I wasn't in a state that voted for it (cast my vote for gay marriage in in Maryland, though!) but I would have likely voted against it if given the choice.

[hypehat]

People like to know what they're eating? It's been standard practice for years over my end.

[RadBooley]

People like to know what they're eating? It's been standard practice for years over my end.

I can understand that, but virtually everything we've been eating here has been genetically modified to a degree. While I'm no fan of Monsanto or similar patent-happy agricultural conglomerates, the foods produced by GMOs have no negative impact on human health.  Mandating a label on foods that contain GMOs (which is a LOT of them) would send the message that they're somehow dangerous compared to organic foods.

Government mandates labels on harmful products like tobacco or alcohol. GMOs should not be in the same category.

[Jason]

Yo TRBB, you should probably explain how every Obama voter is racist.

Well, considering how the Democratic Party is the same party that led to the Ku Klux Klan, the Black Panthers, and morons like Jesse Helms and David Duke...I'd say there's plenty to back up that claim. In an effort to save face, the guilty white liberals of the Democratic Party decided to endorse Obama...you know, since he talks and looks like them. I think that's horrible and reprehensible. When Democrats hear about folks like Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton or Louis Farrakhan...let's just say they don't respond in kind. sh*t, there were a bunch of Democrats on the Huffington Post who referred to Allen West (GOP Congressman from Florida and NOT a guy I like) as "Uncle Tom" and "the plantation negro". Seriously? Because he doesn't belong to the "party of tolerance" he's just another ****** from the South? I think the way the Democrats exploit the so-called "minorities" is horrible. It's a backwards policy and it needs to stop. Then when people come along who say that they want to let the market work and let people have an equal shot, they're referred to as "racists". The War on Drugs is a race war, and the Democrats have escalated it.

I mean hey, believe what you wanna believe, but the Democrats need to stop going on like they're the party of tolerance. They're the party of tolerance as long as you toe their line.

[Amanda Hart]

Government mandates labels on harmful products like tobacco or alcohol. GMOs should not be in the same category.

While some GMOs are harmless to people, they do have the potential to be very dangerous. People have the right to know what they are eating. The information is out there, but the average American has no idea where to look. Giving Americans the tools to educate themselves about their own health will empower them to make better choices if they care to, which benefits the whole country in the long.

Besides, since the FDA doesn't allow any testing on humans, we really don't know what the long-term effects of GMOs (or basically, any other food additive) will be until it has already been introduced to the population. The changes that American consumers should be fighting in regards food labeling start with the loose FDA and USDA regulations and loopholes that put lobbyist interests in front of consumer concerns.

Your post also seemed to imply a concern for how GMO labeling would effect the market, and there have been studies that show that labeling GMOs do not either help or hinder product sales. About 5 years ago a study was published in the UK (where as Hypehat mentioned, they do label GMOs) where they actually overstated the dangers of genetically modified canned tomatoes and it had no effect on that products sales.

[Jason]

Government mandates labels on harmful products like tobacco or alcohol. GMOs should not be in the same category.

While some GMOs are harmless to people, they do have the potential to be very dangerous. People have the right to know what they are eating. The information is out there, but the average American has no idea where to look. Giving Americans the tools to educate themselves about their own health will empower them to make better choices if they care to, which benefits the whole country in the long.

Besides, since the FDA doesn't allow any testing on humans, we really don't know what the long-term effects of GMOs (or basically, any other food additive) will be until it has already been introduced to the population. The changes that American consumers should be fighting in regards food labeling start with the loose FDA and USDA regulations and loopholes that put lobbyist interests in front of consumer concerns.

Your post also seemed to imply a concern for how GMO labeling would effect the market, and there have been studies that show that labeling GMOs do not either help or hinder product sales. About 5 years ago a study was published in the UK (where as Hypehat mentioned, they do label GMOs) where they actually overstated the dangers of genetically modified canned tomatoes and it had no effect on that products sales.

This is why government regulation is worse than letting the market self-regulate. GMOs are not good, but they're not terrible. People should know what's in their food or drink.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

May I ask what state you live in TRBB?

My folks live in Idaho (don't ask my why) and in a place like that, the line between the Democrats and the Republicans is extreme, to say the least. Go out to any local bar and it's angry white guys with Bud Lights screaming and yelling about that damn n**ger in the White House and all the poor n**gers and Mexicans who are trying to take away their freedoms..... And then these same people go cash their unemployment checks or get in line for food stamps..... And then you'll have a quiet table of Democrats who will shake their heads and keep quiet but go put in hours and $$ campaigning for Obama or whoever... I know these people. Both sides. It's somewhat scary to have such things we big city folk write off as stereotypical nonsense right in your face as 3D reality.....

I know you're talking about politicians/policy makers and not the common folk, but still.....

[Paulos]

Some of you guys voted for Johnson right? He did quite well.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/gary-johnson-ran-most-successful-libertarian-campaign-party-193500973--politics.html?fb_action_ids=

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Government mandates labels on harmful products like tobacco or alcohol. GMOs should not be in the same category.

While some GMOs are harmless to people, they do have the potential to be very dangerous. People have the right to know what they are eating. The information is out there, but the average American has no idea where to look. Giving Americans the tools to educate themselves about their own health will empower them to make better choices if they care to, which benefits the whole country in the long.

Besides, since the FDA doesn't allow any testing on humans, we really don't know what the long-term effects of GMOs (or basically, any other food additive) will be until it has already been introduced to the population. The changes that American consumers should be fighting in regards food labeling start with the loose FDA and USDA regulations and loopholes that put lobbyist interests in front of consumer concerns.

Your post also seemed to imply a concern for how GMO labeling would effect the market, and there have been studies that show that labeling GMOs do not either help or hinder product sales. About 5 years ago a study was published in the UK (where as Hypehat mentioned, they do label GMOs) where they actually overstated the dangers of genetically modified canned tomatoes and it had no effect on that products sales.

This is why government regulation is worse than letting the market self-regulate. GMOs are not good, but they're not terrible. People should know what's in their food or drink.

May I ask where you draw the line on this train of thought? .... If the airline industry self regulated, we'd have planes falling from the sky once a week because the suits would see it as cheaper to take a loss here and there than implement costly self-regulation and they'd be cutting every conceivable corner with safety.

[Dunderhead]

Oh no, Republicans, 50% of the country, they're so evil and racist, and they're going to destroy the country!

The country is already destroyed, Obama's been in office for a term already, stop acting like he's going to do anything to help our current situation.

[pixletwin]

Some of you guys voted for Johnson right? He did quite well.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/gary-johnson-ran-most-successful-libertarian-campaign-party-193500973--politics.html?fb_action_ids=

He got my vote!

[Jason]

May I ask what state you live in TRBB?

My folks live in Idaho (don't ask my why) and in a place like that, the line between the Democrats and the Republicans is extreme, to say the least. Go out to any local bar and it's angry white guys with Bud Lights screaming and yelling about that damn n**ger in the White House and all the poor n**gers and Mexicans who are trying to take away their freedoms..... And then these same people go cash their unemployment checks or get in line for food stamps..... And then you'll have a quiet table of Democrats who will shake their heads and keep quiet but go put in hours and $$ campaigning for Obama or whoever... I know these people. Both sides. It's somewhat scary to have such things we big city folk write off as stereotypical nonsense right in your face as 3D reality.....

I know you're talking about politicians/policy makers and not the common folk, but still.....

I live in Pennsylvania. And I'm referring to a mix of both. It doesn't apply to ALL, but certainly many. And it's also not an endorsement of the GOP, either.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Got it!

[Jason]

Some of you guys voted for Johnson right? He did quite well.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/gary-johnson-ran-most-successful-libertarian-campaign-party-193500973--politics.html?fb_action_ids=

I was glad to waste my vote for him. He got about 1% of the vote. Not bad. Lots of Ron Paul write-ins, too.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Oh no, Republicans, 50% of the country, they're so evil and racist, and they're going to destroy the country!

The country is already destroyed, Obama's been in office for a term already, stop acting like he's going to do anything to help our current situation.

Who's acting like he's gonna do anything or help anything?

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Some of you guys voted for Johnson right? He did quite well.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/gary-johnson-ran-most-successful-libertarian-campaign-party-193500973--politics.html?fb_action_ids=

I was glad to waste my vote for him. He got about 1% of the vote. Not bad. Lots of Ron Paul write-ins, too.

Why doesn't Bruce just run already???

Think of all the mic adjusting chances he'll get during even a single state-of-the-union address!!!

[Jason]

"My name is Bruce Historical Pistol-Whippin' Johnston, and I WROTE THE SONGS!"

[RadBooley]

Government mandates labels on harmful products like tobacco or alcohol. GMOs should not be in the same category.

While some GMOs are harmless to people, they do have the potential to be very dangerous. People have the right to know what they are eating. The information is out there, but the average American has no idea where to look. Giving Americans the tools to educate themselves about their own health will empower them to make better choices if they care to, which benefits the whole country in the long.

Besides, since the FDA doesn't allow any testing on humans, we really don't know what the long-term effects of GMOs (or basically, any other food additive) will be until it has already been introduced to the population. The changes that American consumers should be fighting in regards food labeling start with the loose FDA and USDA regulations and loopholes that put lobbyist interests in front of consumer concerns.

Your post also seemed to imply a concern for how GMO labeling would effect the market, and there have been studies that show that labeling GMOs do not either help or hinder product sales. About 5 years ago a study was published in the UK (where as Hypehat mentioned, they do label GMOs) where they actually overstated the dangers of genetically modified canned tomatoes and it had no effect on that products sales.

I dunno, when I see what we're still a country where half the population still doesn't support evolution, I find it hard to be optimistic about people going out of their way to spend time to find unbiased, scientific sources regarding the safety of GMOs.

We've been genetically modifying foods since the dawn of agriculture, albeit through more primitive cross-breeding methods. Genetic engineering of plants essentially accomplishes the same goals, higher yields and longer shelf lives, just without the hassle of having to wait many generations for results. We've been at that for decades now. I've eaten GMO-containing foods all my life with no negative health impact, as have many others here. I haven't read up on how the FDA regulates GMOs, but from a biological standpoint, I don't see how making a crop resistant to herbicides would ever impact its safety. I'm not against rigorous testing of GMOs, I just fear that labeling them would result in a knee jerk reaction from a public that so often doubts science (global warming, anyone?).

Want to label your food as organic? GMO-free? Sure, be my guest. I just see mandatory GMO labeling as doing more harm than good, especially in an era where GMOs may be necessary to tackle the rise of global hunger.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

"My name is Bruce Historical Pistol-Whippin' Johnston, and I WROTE THE SONGS!"