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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian AI Project.
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on: April 05, 2023, 04:17:17 PM
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I was listening to the "Feel Flows" set on a long drive today, and Carl's stunning live rendition of "This Whole World" from 1988 really knocked me out. CW sings it with such passion and ferocious energy, that it struck me as something that an AI bot can never completely replicate.
With that said, once the genie of any new technology is out of the bottle, then it's out of the bottle. For good or ill, if something is useful, then, by golly, it will be used. Let's face it. If Brian had been able to use AI bots for Smile vocals instead of the Boys in 1966, many unpleasant arguments over lyrics would have been avoided.
I'm enjoying these mock-ups. The possibilities are truly endless.
I agree, you're only gonna get the AI to replicate whatever you feed it - with maybe some variation, depending on how much it has to go off of. At least in the iteration of the technology we have at this point. And cool, glad you're enjoying them! I'm working on AIs for Carl, Dennis and Mike now. I'm in South Korea for 2 weeks and Google decided to lock me out of my Dae Lims account this morning without option to get back in, unless I log in from a previously known location... Enable 2-step authentication people! God Only Knows "1966 home demo" is pretty good. Does the tag use any of the authentic vocal from the released version? What seltaeb1012002 really should have done, is held off posting anything until April 1, and then on that day introduced the above mentioned "home demo" as a genuine long lost article. It would have been a cruel but interesting experiment and perhaps with a free pass if posting on that day Aww man, that would've been perfect! Yeah, I was too caught up in the matrix to think clearly enough about how to market the thing. But whatever, the cat's out of the bag, lol. And nope - that's all AI Brian. AWESOME work on the latest one! So inspiring! Can't believe this is where tech is... imagine how the geniuses of the era would feel listening to these "ghosts" Thank you! Yeah, I mean it's kind of a dream come true for fans. So much potential. And who knows, maybe one day these tools will be utilized for official releases. I could imagine a full AI concert experience featuring "live" vocals, holograms, etc. Imagine seeing Pet Sounds or SMiLE live, or Sgt. Pepper, the White Album, etc... Or even being able to sort of program your own concert at home. "Hey ChatGPT, play me Knebworth 1980, only replace all the songs with Love You in its entirety!"
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian AI Project.
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on: March 29, 2023, 10:57:55 AM
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This stuff definitely sounds "close enough" to Brian Wilson that when I hear it, yeah I do start to think, huh, what if we had the 1966 Beach Boys' voices singing the 2004 lyrics to "Blue Hawaii" or "On a Holiday"? Could a complete, seamless Smile LP be created with AI? And the answer to that question would appear to be "yes." But should it be done? I must admit that I'm a little uncomfortable with the idea, and we get into philosophical questions about whether something "artificial" can be an acceptable substitute for something "real"... and the extent to which the lines between "real"l and "artificial" are blurring. We're in brave new world
I definitely get that. I think it's important that anyone who does these labels them as "AI" so it's documented. Who knows, it could become illegal one day. I'm surprised deepfakes are still legal.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian AI Project.
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on: March 29, 2023, 07:03:19 AM
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What technology did you use to make this? It honestly sounds more like Carl than Brian but still not bad.
It's a script that analyzes samples of (in this case) Brian's voice and forms a sophisticated voice model that can be applied to previously recorded vocals. So basically, I'm singing the stuff - and after running it through the script, it spits out a Brian vocal. His consonants, vowels, breath sounds etc. I have a lot of years of doing Beach Boys covers (read: attempting to imitate Brian), so I can approximate the emotion he'd put into the vocal - and the AI takes care of the rest. There's a lot of trial and error to get the AI to, for instance get it to sing "softer" or go into falsetto. I've actually made two models already. The one you hear on "All I Wanna Do" is 2.0, which is smoother. "My Diane" is mostly 1.0, which had a bit more of a "shouty" tone and had more noticeable artifacts. I can assure you that there's no Carl in there - it's 100% based off of Brian's voice. Of course, it's AI so it's not gonna be perfect - but I think it's damn close. I've been living a dream over here. I realize this AI stuff could be a lot to take in (it has been for me), but I hope other people get a kick out of the results of my play time.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian AI Project.
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on: March 28, 2023, 09:23:00 PM
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Keep 'em coming. While still in its infancy, I could see this kind of technology used to make unfinished parts of Smile a reality.
Already started playing with it. I'd say SMiLE AI (follow up to SMiLE AD?) could definitely happen. In the meantime, I've got some stuff that I'm positive will blow people's minds. Brian circa early 70's singing a powerful vocal on "My Diane" is HUGE, but it's only scratching the surface...!
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's \
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on: December 29, 2022, 08:34:47 PM
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I've been meaning to mention that Billy made some good points about this track. I mean, I still don't really particularly think the song is that great (it's probably one my least favorite of all of Brian's solo XMas tracks), and my first impulse was to question why this was the song they picked to do the contest (even if they weren't going to just be obvious and pick like "Little Saint Nick" or something, I would have thought initially that even something like "Christmasey" or "What I Really Want for Christmas" would work a little better), but Billy is right that the actual lead vocal is weirdly not nearly as simple as a cursory listen might suggest.
The way Brian wrote and sang melodies in this era was pretty interesting, where he was writing to his own voice. He obviously had limits to his vocal range even 20+ years ago, but counterintuitively on a song like this, it does indeed make it surprisingly more challenging for other vocalists to try to re-create.
Listening to this song and other stuff from the early solo Brian era also reminds me that I wish Al had been working with Brian back then, as I think a lot of the stuff would have sounded good with Al leads.
I still do wonder if at least Ron Altbach should have maybe gotten a co-writing credit on this one, assuming he helped with the music on "Bells of Christmas/Belles of Paris" (and assuming Mike was only a lyricist, and Al as well as his name is only on the Xmas version).
I'd imagine they chose it because they can say "Written & Produced by Brian Wilson" , though you make a good point about Ron Altbach. It also gave them a new angle to promote the sessions video again.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's \
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on: December 24, 2022, 05:09:45 PM
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I absolutely loved this - you retained the best elements of the original while making it your own, and adding some great Brian/BB "easter eggs" that I'm sure Brian will appreciate!
Ayye, cheers! Funny, I did this off memory, and I just realized I mixed in some lyrics from "Bells Of Christmas" hahaha. Might be a deal breaker as far as the contest goes, but hey, if Brian gets to hear the "Shortenin' Bread" tag, it's a win! I thought this was a great take on it. Solid voice, and cool adaptation for a female range! https://soundcloud.com/rebeccaschneider/on-christmas-day
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set
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on: August 28, 2021, 07:34:14 PM
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And yet I still can't fully make out what Carl's singing at the end of "All I Wanna Do", lol. It's clear that the beginning bit is "If you get lonely in the night..." Anyone decipher what follows?
It's 'If you get lonely in the night I'd come and be with you' Yeah, it's finally clear to me after hearing the 'vocals only' track! Ooh, good ear!
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set
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on: August 28, 2021, 12:00:56 PM
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In the next couple of sets, we'll probably hear *that voice* for the last time. We have a good idea of when it happened (some point between the 1974 California Feelin' demo and the 1975 In the Back of My Mind demo), but it's going to be sad once we hear the last few unbooted recordings that showcase him losing it.
Do we know if there are any more unreleased/unbooted vocals from that time period? I definitely hope there's stuff that hasn't been reported on, but I think we've heard it all at this point. Well, minus the Sail On Sailor demo - which is from a few years earlier. But perhaps I'm forgetting something....
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set
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on: August 27, 2021, 10:57:03 AM
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Wow, Brian with the ghost-like whisper on the "Til I Die" alternate lyrics. Never heard that voice from him. You can feel the pain he was feeling when he wrote it. Chilling stuff.
Another "wow" for the "Won't You Tell Me" demo. Just when we thought we heard all of the golden-voice-era lead vocals from Brian, this pops up! When was this recorded? Pre-SOT sale?
Almost everything on this set is magic. I love how Mark stripped down some of the instrumentals for the "track and backing vocals" versions. So cool to finally hear alternate versions of these songs.
And yet I still can't fully make out what Carl's singing at the end of "All I Wanna Do", lol. It's clear that the beginning bit is "If you get lonely in the night..." Anyone decipher what follows?
Many thanks to all involved for putting this amazing set together!!
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set
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on: July 31, 2021, 10:45:16 AM
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The track at the end is not a re-recording, it's just what was on the tape after the master cuts off to go a capella. There's a big drum fill without any other instruments (thus the opportunity for Bruce to reharmonize here) and then I think they actually play another verse, but I might be misremembering that part.
I see, very interesting! Sorry, maybe I'm missing something, but how does that explain the G / Cm / F progression at 1:29? Is the instrumental here a different take from the original (or spliced in from a different section in the instrumental take)?
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