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I think this is my third bout of posting here. Looking way back through the list of new arrivals it struck me that it's been pretty amiss of me not to have introduced myself at some stage, however briefly----for which my apologies. Perhaps I was waiting for Mike's 73rd birthday to do it. :=)

I'll be brief: It was getting Brian's "autobiography" as a birthday present a decade or so ago that reawakened my interest in the Boys (they'd always been on the edge of my radar----I'd grown up with their music). I then bought the Sunflower/Surf's Up! 2fer, as I was familiar with side two of SU. Several tracks in,  I was wondering what all the fuss was about (!) when I heard "All I Wanna Do". It was my on-the-road-to-Damascus moment. The next step was to find kindred spirits...

Thank you for your kind words, RRA1. :=)

I hope to stick around longer this time.

Before this post, there had been no change in this section of the MB for three weeks. Indeed, the last posting member to join was DrZombi on April 25. And for a board this active, that's odd. I can only assume it's part of an (excuse the pun) across-the-board stagnation brought about by the dreaded social media...

Still not sure about all this name-changing, some of which is truly bizarre. It must be more than a little off-putting (read: confusing) for folks trying to find their feet here or seeking out information by poster name.   

Hey John,  Not over here often myself (I don't think many posters check this area - or anything but the main board), but Josh's new "welcome" caught my eye.  Now I see you too, leaving a very late "I'm Here"..."again"..."attention!"..."Here to stay this time!" post. ;D

Thank you for your kind words, Will. Not sure my posts here are particularly enthralling----the words "out of my depth" often come to mind. As for "my" site: my philosophy is that those that like it there drop in from time to time and those that don't, don't, without me needing to sing its praises. Very cool that you posted in Bruce's birthday thread. :=)     

Curious to see RR's original post has inexplicably vanished. I'm not questioning anyone's motives----it's just curious, that's all... 

Very interesting.  She managed to do it on my Welcome thread as well.

The post on your thread seems completely harmless.  Why would the Mods find reason to delete it, leaving no foot-print?

It should be a ". post" at most.

There is a "Delete" button, I see (at top right), and it works----I just used it on a trial post. That's good to know!

I did suggest in the "Birthday Weekend!" topic that she should learn some manners. That might explain it. ;D   

Fair enough, RR, no offence taken. i have to admit there's a certain satisfaction in deleting superfluous posts. ;=)

Hey, I've passed the 1000-post mark! Now Brian will get to see my question next time there's a Q&A. :lol

I see the name-changing has started again. Most confusing. Just when I was at the point of discovering who Rei was, they decided to call themselves something else! So it's back to square one...

Re-reading this in the cold light of day, I would suggest that the main problem it poses is when you're looking up something somebody said using a previous alias. The pointlessness of name-changing is driven home by the fact that quoted posts retain the name at the time of posting, along with mentions of that name by other posters. So it's not even an across-the-board change (no pun intended). All rather messy.

You see? Four names before now! I did bump into bluesno1fann yesterday in someone's quote.

Thanks very much, RR. :=)

I've had... let's see here... Bubbly Waves; Wuvvly Babes; Bubba Waves; Bubs Waves; B Dubs; Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky; %100 Wrong; Mr. Research Guy; Schmubbly Schmaves; Smug, Condescending & Patronizing; Frasier Crane; Big Star is better than The Who; The Unremarkable Bubbly Waves; and a quick succession of XTC is a really good band, runnersdialeight, runnersBILEzero, runners is a swell guy, and then runners dials zero friends (cuz he doesn't have any). Now I'm Bubs.

If anyone else remembers any that I haven't listed, I would love to hear it.

Gonna hafta add A Bigger Loser to the list.

Good grief! No wonder I'm confused.

Wasn't there a brief time when a bunch of posters called themselves variations on the name Al Jardine? (Trouble is, there's no way of checking!) Maybe you did too...     

Yeah, a lot of posters went by Jarhead monikers. I didn't do it.
I remember Woodstock, Judd, Zach Wolfe, Rei, Halblaineisgood, Shady, Rab, Smile Brian, and even Billy got in on the Jarhead thing.

That's the one! :lol

Somebody mention me? Aha

Yup. It's more your topic than mine these days. ;D

Ironic, considering that I personally had nothing to do with this thread until now.....

And for the record, the past username I'm most fond of is BAmBU Dennis

So Golden Raisins is halblaineisgood. Sheesh.

(Agreed, O-LI, BAmBU Dennis was a very cool username.)

The current one is a reference to an Animals song, and is my username on Steve Hoffman.

As for reviving an old username, as fond as I am for some of my old ones I'm not really one that changes it back

You know, I do miss some posters who were pretty active (and most readably so) until recently and then... nothing.

I used to worry about folks suddenly disappearing (are they ill, or worse?) but I've since learned that things aren't necessarily that dramatic in this fickle cyberworld.

Just thinking out loud...

Does that 'delete' button still exist? Can't find it.

I have "quote", "modify" and "delete" buttons in the top right-hand corner of my own posts in this topic. And in the rest of this section of Smiley but nowhere else.   

To say nothing of Hüsker Düde. Brilliant! :lol

Instead of high-jacking the 2016 Music thread I decided to put this in the oops file.  Been wanting to post over here anyway.  So first...

Hey John,  Some of the things in this thread still strike me as strange to revisit.  I never did delete a post upstream, that maybe I should have.  I don't think we should just delete posts.  It's history.  I had to make some changes in my welcome due to not understanding what was going on.  Now it's stuff I no longer deal with, but there are clues to what went on behind the scene, in PMs.  It left holes in my welcome, which is a thread, and should have not been tampered with on the whim of a member.  I'm leaving the post here as a reminder to myself to be careful while on the internet.  I've only been doing this since 2005.  So a novice I am.  oops.

And there are thoughts in this thread I have given some thought to.  I too think about people who disappear, I mean long time posters, or someone with enough posts over a period of time, that you know they were one time a part of our club.  We don't usually know what happened.
  Some of them do die.  If their is nobody that knows about the fact that they were here, nobody to get their password, log into their account, and post that they are gone.  Then it's like they disappear...

Okay.  Josh and the name changing.  I think Josh, and Rei too, they are just having fun with it.  If it's anybody I read or post with, I can tell easily when they change their name.  Maybe all the people doing it feel different one morning and want to create a new "you."  Sometimes for a season, sometimes cause they are drunk, stoned, or whatever, and change it in the middle of the night, then wake up wondering "Now what did I, why did I think that was a good idea last night..."

  The oops here is for Husker Dude.  I had heard of this cover band.  I had seen a couple of live clips with them playing with the original bass player.  I also figured it might be because you like Husker Du.  That turned out to be it.  Like I said, I never got into Husker Du's music, but they were popular in their day.  There's so much music now, and from back when - it's impossible to hear it all and keep playing it all, all the time.  I am still finding music from years ago that I didn't have the time for when I was living through it, but discover on youtube or somewhere.  Great music. To find after all these years.  I found some of that today.  Trouble is, I have to fit it into my heavy schedule of playing the stuff that holds my attention week after week.  I have records I've played hundreds of times, and some only a couple.  I can play the same few dozen records week after week for years.  The names don't matter, they're all different for each of us anyway.  I don't want to own things just to collect, but I do.  I think we get caught up in that with the ease of downloading.  I do like to collect boots.  My hard drive is full of stuff I haven't had the time to listen to even once.  Concerts especially.  I give up on some players, but if I like an artist, there is some era or favorite albums I will like forever, even if I stop playing them for a few years, they will eventually cycle back in.

It's getting late.  I'm gonna cycle out of here for now.  John, thanks for the use of your space to ramble for a while...   We will see where else this thread can go. 
-Will

John,  You got to your second page, man.  far out.

Will, thank you for your enlightened and inspirational post.

I think I have now caught up with who's who in the alias-changing department. This is mainly thanks to you, RRA1 and whoever else addresses others by their real name, and to Josh and Rei for their posts in this topic. If only all problems were this small!!

And yes, anyone who has something to say that to their mind doesn't require a new topic and doesn't fit into any old ones is most welcome to post it here. They say cyberspace is infinite but I'm not so sure.

Now all we have to do is somehow make it through the next couple of weeks before we know whether Billy has won the Burger Showdown... 

All the best to you, my friend. :=)

 

State of shock here. Not much else to say right now.

True, I do most of my posting in the general music corner but I do follow as much of what's going on in the main section as I can (or at least the topics that interest me). And generally, I'm quite content simply to read those topics. There's so much to learn there without chiming in. And now an important voice has been silenced. No idea whose fault it is, it's just a great shame it had to happen.

True, there is always his site, which I consult with great regularity, just to get things right. And it has an email address if I'm really stuck...     

Here we go again. Who the f*ck is Esoteric?:thud

Roger the Shrubber.  He should have kept it as such.  Does he still use the smeared cream cheese story in his signature?  I'd have to check, but that was always a tip-off when he changed names.  Many of his posts are cool.  Plays music too.

Thanks, Will. Sorry for the bad language. I guess I'm just not a fan of all this name-changing. It amazes me that people don't crack up because of it. Maybe they do.

And, on a positive note, hearty congrats on reaching your 1000th post. :=)
 

"Homeless clowns smear old cheese on my uncle's electric piano."

This was too good not to quote on "my" other board, so it's been saved for posteriority. 

RR, you take these plays on words too literally. It's the unlikely juxtaposition that makes it funny. Just try picturing the scene in your mind. It cracks me up.   

That said, humour is oh so subjective, so if it doesn't make you laugh, no problem. But there's nothing to explain, really.   

Yes, this topic is an oasis of freedom----anything goes.

The initial push to revert to my old signature (and avatar statement----atmosphere instead of palindromes) was seeing rab2591's hilarious parody of my "siggy" (I think he still has it). Mine used to be Mikie's old signature in lower case with some of the letters capitallzed as a comment to Andrew.)  This is rab's:   

"aruba jamaica oh i wanna take ya bermuDa bahama cOme on pretty mama key largo moNTego baby why don't we go jamaica off the FlORida keys there's a place called kokomo that's where you wanna Go to gET away from iT all bODies in the sand tRopIcal driNK melting in YOUR hand we'll be falling in lOVe to the rhythm of A steeL drum band down in kokomo aruba jamaica ooh i wanna Take you to bermuda bahama come on pretty mama key largo montego baby why don't we go oh I waNna takE you down to kokomo"   

The capitals spell out "DON'T FORGET TO DRINK YOUR OVALTINE"----I bust a gut when I saw that. It was a sign to clean up and move on. So back came  my old Bowie quote.   

Cereal----I'd say granola, the real crunchy stuff...

Yes, it's always a mystery when a name is changed....

Larry David, from Curb Your Enthusiasm

Hi, Labe. ;D

May I take this opportunity to say thank you, Bubs, thank you, Judd, for a wonderfully entertaining thread. I agree, that final post by Mr Rrats just doesn't belong there...

Yes.  The biggest Oops of the week was my missing the Friday night showdown on a street called SMiLE in the Judd`n'Bubs thread.  Reading the final five pages on Saturday morning, and after the thread had been locked, just wasn't the same as it would have been to experience the Fireworks live.

I need an alert bell around my neck when something like that happens.

My thanks to Judd and Josh for a wonderful wonder.

"Oops" is just fine. It's like an afterthought. This is a topic where everyone can post afterthoughts of their own.

Mine right now taking the form of a question: Has halblaineisgood's "Cots" topic been locked?   

So he locked it. (I would never lock a thread of mine----why would I?) "Coon Rapids" is a most inscrutable man...

Looking at the Calendar (after perusing the Upcoming Birthdays) I see that today is SMiLE-Holland's 42nd birthday.

When I first arrived on these cybershores it was Klaas (I believe that's his name) who graciously answered my questions.

Hartelijk gefeliciteerd, man, en nog heel veel jaren!     

I'm very glad to say I don't own it! (I often put "my" in inverted commas when describing it.)

It was launched when some members of the Capitol BB message board got fed up with how that board was being run (in 2009-2010). Now the Cap Board has gone and "my" board is quiet (although still active after six years)----which is why I make a nuisance of myself over here on a regular basis.       

This is all I can find on The Chase of 20 May, in which Andrew took part. Maybe there's more to follow on their channel, but quite frankly I doubt it. I must say he looks in good spirits, all ten seconds of him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2ziYKHbuKg

Just because Andrew was an integral part of the board doesn't mean the board was an integral part of him. Of course he's doing fine, it's just a message board at the end of the day, it's not like he got fired from being a BB historian. Wish they could've uploaded more of that show though.

They're more interested in the winner, which is understandable, I suppose...

Edit: There's a spot more AGD in this second clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SZOd1b8fPM

OSD lacks finesse.

Swedish Frog only runs to work off his frustration about not getting his you-know-what.   

I think skipping posts that feature more reading than you want to do is fine; but I would certainly hope that anyone who won't read longer posts (or only reads the first three or four lines) would typically refrain from participating in the discussion at hand. I would also say it might be hard then as well, if one is inclined to not read longer posts, for that person to post open questions to the forum as well (e.g. "Can anyone tell me which song this is?", etc.), because they're presumably, under those specific circumstances, not willing to try to research a possible answer with the search function on this board and have to read through posts to find an answer.

In the past, I've seen cases where it certainly appears debates are getting amped up in part because at least one side of the conversation is literally not reading the other posts (or all of the contents of the posts) before responding.

And what is written above is more than four lines, so here's hoping.....  :3d

I don't want to appear a killjoy (again) but that "moderation" thread is losing us good posters. As if we haven't lost enough already these past weeks. Now it seems drbeachboy has quit. One of the Voices of Reason.

In a just world that topic would close now and anyone wishing to push on further could do so by PM. 

It doesn't matter to me what he said----the thread's clearly out of control. And that's bad news. Everyone is getting hot under the collar and maybe saying things they normally would not say. I think it's a crying shame. 

Even Brian and Mike would agree this board is too fractured.

I've been in that thread the last few days. 

I hate to so him go because, as you say, he is a voice of reason on this board.   

I think he objected to the thought held by rab, and some other posters on the board, that somehow a criticism of any of Brian Wilson's music is somehow an insult to Brian Wilson himself. 

In real life, not everybody is going to like every single song composed by an artist with a 50+ year long career. 

All I know is that the constant insinuations that Craig 'influences' every decision and I can't think for myself was quite offensive to me.

KDS- your sig is fine IMHO

Thanks Billy.  Figured I'd make it clear on every post from now on that my opinions on the music is in no way a disrespect to the artist. 

:)

Let me explain this just so you get it, KDS. rab said that he's OK with anyone who has differing view but added that for some, reviews that consist of bad language can be regarded as insulting to Brian. Just the way he sees it and what some others see. Then you find it strange and think it's not ever possible. Then rab again repeats his point and you again disagree but rather than respectfully disagree you mock his and bunch of others' reasoning for disliking others' negative album reviews. Instead of trying to understand them you make it signature to make fun of them. So what if they think so? Does it bother you too much?

The fact, KDS, that you even have such a retarded signature is proof positive of a rather pantywaisted sensibility that has sadly found its way here.

Yes, I don't like NPP. I love Brian Wilson. No agenda here. Not on anyone's payroll. People who don't agree with the prevailing winds of opinion on this board don't harbor some seething hatred of the man; they just don't like something.

Grow up and deal with it. Simple fucks.

I don't. And don't call me Shirley! :lol

Please tell me you seriously didn't post this... if I'm not hallucinating or having another stroke and you really did...please make this the last time.

It's not an attack on him; it's my feeling on the rather sad state of affairs that led him to even make it his signature. KDS and I get along very well, in fact.

I've said my piece.

Did I ever imply that KDS is lacking brains? As I stated once before, he and I get on quite well. He's one of the smartest folks here.

"simple fucks"?

Thanks Rangerover. I tried to make my point as clear as possible several times, but I guess either I'm not being clear enough or some are refusing to understand what I mean.

KDS, I don't see how my opinion on this matter is that ridiculous. To some people, calling some of the music "turgid, worthless, safe bullcrap", "a stupid fucking pop song", "a steaming pile of dogshit", or comparing Brian to a handicapped grandpa who is forced to make a speech at a family dinner is disrespectful to Brian...thus some Brian fans responded and defended Brian because Brian's personal talents were being seemingly mocked. I mean, I wonder why you thought the Bubs and Judd review was "fake"? - could it have been because it seemed a bit over the top? And thus other people possibly didn't notice any satire and saw the review as overly disrespectful to Brian and responded.

This is clearly what I wrote and tried to make clear in numerous posts. Sorry that you felt the need to change your signature over the opinion of one person. I know Bubs and Judd love this band and Brian Wilson very much...but some people took their comments as offensive...and I don't understand why it's that surprising that people took those comments as offensive.

Mild in nature, yet when they continually pop up even after being consisterly rebuked, I'm certainly left with the impression that the people who make such goofy statements are rather in the high end of simple fudginess. Your mileage varies. That's cool.

I don't hate Brian. I don't like everything he's done musically. How someone can end up reaching the conclusion that someone hates the man because of that is ridiculous from where I sit.

Horses for courses.

For the record(whatever that means), I agree with rab and KDS both, in certain ways. I agree with KDS in that whenever music is released to the public, people are free to say and think anything they want about it. That includes publicly posting these views on a public message board. But the "handicapped grandpa" thing is to far. It has nothing at all with the music. This is where I side with rab. You can insult, ridicule, and downright sh*t talk the music any way you want. But when it gets to talking about the man/woman/band, then it's going to far.

Criticizing the music is one thing. Criticizing Brian, Melinda, or people around them personally is quite another. However, considering a criticism of any of the music equal to criticism of the people involved personally or even hatred for them is kind of a reach.

KDS shouldn't even have felt like he needed to make that his signature. If one was going to criticize Brian as a person, why hide it in criticisms of the music?

Maybe I'm overthinking it. I hope I am!

Rei, I feel you. You have a filter. You're less impulsive than I am when it comes to posting. That's a good thing.

Not everyone is going to like the same stuff or have the same appreciation for it. Calling someone's fandom into question or claiming said individual hates the creator is ridiculous. Then again, Brian's the one with the success and acclaim...while people feel the need to defend the man from opinions. It's bloody ridiculous.

It was one opinion that he blew way out of proportion. The Bubs/Judd review was mostly favorable (given the range of posters who got a good laugh out of it, or agreed with it), and I (the person who actually entertained this ridiculous back and forth with KDS) didn't say one negative comment about the review in question...and again I'll say, I have no doubt that Judd and Bubs love this band and Brian. As rangerover said, it looks like KDS just made the signature to make fun of that opinion. An opinion I think is very reasonable: Calling an album dogshit, calling some of the music worthless, comparing Brian to a wheelchair bound person forced to do stuff is perceived as disrespectful to Brian. Not sure why this is even controversial....oh yeah, because it involves Guitarfool. Sigh.

You really have no idea why the bolded words are offensive?

*On second thought, nevermind*

Sorry to butt in uninvited but I don't really get why being sensitive or whiny about an opinion is 'pantywaisted' but being sensitive and whiny about an opinion about an opinion is not. Or why being sensitive or whiny about a negative opinion re: BW is and why being sensitive and whiny about an opinion re: ML is not.

I don't think people should be banned because other people don't like their posts and I don't think KDS 'had' to make that his signature because other people's opinions about opinions bother him

Eta: I think this is about as rude as I've gotten outside political threads or Pamplin, but the whining and counter-whining is tiresome.

I wanted an ignore feature here...issue is with the actual board itself. Like, the technical part.

But it wasn't GF's initial post that was a problem. It was when he kept challenging bubs, and trying to downright change his views and opinion. He wouldn't let it go.

That's not how I took it, but I need to re-read that thread again

I did t know that. I guess I really didn't think about that before posting. I apologize.

At least that's how I looked at it.

They might give someone else pause and possibly a reason to choose to be offended; for example, someone who'd hallucinate that people who dislike or even hate something Brian did musically translates to hatred for the man himself. My reply remains the same as it has many times over when I've been asked about my assumed ignorance of why something I say is "offensive" - if one chooses to be offended at what I've said, well, I find myself in the curious position between merely not giving a damn and apathy. One can expend the energy to choose to be offended or one can put on his big boy pants and move on with life. The sooner more of us do the latter, the better, I'd say!

One could also put on his big boy pants and not say things they know are uncivil.

I agree.

 ;D

Let's just say that being a mod here will force you to grow a thick skin.

Exactly. And, I don't know, but I was raised to respect others and the difference between others. But hey, that's just me apparently. 

To put it bluntly. ..

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,122.0.html

Rule 9.

Political correctness has a habit of being overly used. The issue over "the r word" is particularly silly, seeing as how the word originated(i believe) as a strictly musical term, and may need to be used as such. Of course, you wouldn't use it in front of develop mentally challenged adults or children. That's just common sense. But among others, I tend look at it as a typical school slang for stupid.

Edit: But It is a board rule. I forget to look at those sometimes.  ;D

So using the word "retarded" as a slang for stupid (which was how it was intended in reference to the signature discussed in my original post) is now against the rules? Good to know. I'll make sure it doesn't happen again.

The rule doesn't actually specify "words that might hurt your feelings", but I guess that's a given.

No, it was the 'pantywaist' comment, although you have used 'retarded' as a slur before here and, if you recall, several people here weren't happy about that, including an honored guest or two.

That'd end with just about everyone banned.

If we have a discussion on the comedian Jerry Lewis, are we allowed to talk about his movie, "The Patsy"? Or "Cinderfella"?   >:D

The British may be soft-spoken and polite but they didn't spread their empire by being pantywaists. :)

 :wave

Are you seriously mocking me?

No, I'm not mocking you. I was playing along with Ognir, not mocking anyone.

Ok, making sure.

Also, since pantywaists is mainly used as a slur these days (at least during 99% of our lifetimes), yeah, I'd strongly suggest against using it in the future.

CALLING ME NAMES NOW, EH? ;) (Kidding)

It was a request for clarification. I received it. End of story. :)

Ok gotcha

It is?

I've always known it to be analogous to "sissy."

That's hardly offensive though, just a childish insult.

Maybe so, but as the board's resident goodwill ambassador (a statesman, if you will) I intend to keep the peace henceforth.

When you think that of the fact that that and 'sissy' started off as insults towards a man who is not necessarily the stereotypical Brawny paper towel guy with the flannel and the axe, as for form of calling them 'gay' as an insult (as if someone's orientation was something to criticize), well...I'd have hoped in 2016 we'd have grown a little and be more tolerant of others.

Nope, I wasn't aware of the other Bachelors until after joining this board, they don't post often.

Well it's most gratifying to see this topic so well used (seriously, folks).

Particularly when the OP is in Dreamland----it's a shame to see valuable cyberspace going to waste. 

But next time please deposit your empty drink cans in the bin provided. Thank you. ;D

I took no offense as it was clearly not directed at me.   

Also, I fail to see the word "retarded" as offensive when describing an object. 

Rab,

I agreed with you about that handicap grandpa thing, but the steaming pile of dogshit or stupid pop song is a completely different thing. 

Firstly, I'm surprised so many people saw the signature line I added.

Secondly, I added the signature because I wanted to make the level of my fandom crystal clear:

I'm a huge fan of The Beach Boys and their members.  But, do I like every single note of music they, and their members, have released?  Nope. 

Since some of the board seem to believe that a speaking negatively about the music equals speaking negatively about the artists, I wanted to make perfectly clear that any even remotely negative thing I've ever said, or will ever say, about the music of The Beach Boys and their members, is NOT to be taken as an insult to the artists or anybody associated with them. 

Am I poking a little fun?  Maybe I am.   ;D

KDS, I have negative opinions about some of Brian's music. I try to be a bit more tactful and understanding about what I dislike. Never did I contradict myself - I clearly meant (and made clear several times) it's the WORDING some people choose that is disrespectful to a man who does have an account on this forum. Billy understood my point (whether or not he agrees with it). Yes, I think GIOMH is terrible and there are parts of NPP I don't like (hell, even Brian probably doesn't like GIOMH)....but I'm not about to compare it to canine fecal matter. Being tactful when you're writing negative opinion is more respectful to the artist than calling something a pile of steaming dogshit....this is and has been my point.

We can totally agree to disagree - but don't feel the need to change your signature based on a seemingly rational opinion of one person on the board ;D

I'll agree to disagree. 

@rab2591. Sidetracking here, but this is my topic (or it was):

When are you going to remove your (admittedly hilarious) parody of my old signature? As you see, I've removed mine and finally moved on. Just curious...

Ahh just noticed that you removed it. Will remove mine tonight after work!

Thanks, man.

Here we go again----Douche = the new Jarhead.

(http://jackcavanaugh.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83555153869e20120a55c162e970c-pi)

Who you callin' a Jarhead? :)

I don't know who you are (that's what name-changing can do) but maybe you were here when the "in" thing was to use the word Jarhead in one's alias. (Not everyone did it, of course.)

And now the same thing's happening with the word Douche. So you see, there's nothing personal in my remark.:hat     

John,  Ya gotta spend more time in the Sandbox!  Bullets came up with the idea, others followed.  Deadpool was even funnier, with his hitlist.  Hitlists are also popular recently.  Everybody is getting one.

Sure Rei is amused by your mention.  I saw someone confusing Rei the other day, saying there are other Rei posters.  So, where does that leave the Curb Your Enthusiasm guy?  They just want to make your life a mess.

Yeah, I borrowed Bullets' idea. Plus, "Douchepool" is one of Negasonic Teenage Warhead's nicknames for Deadpool in the movie.

Hi, Will. Good to see a familiar face these days. :=)

My social life is already a mess, so if it's me they're after they're wasting their time, hahaha.

As for the Sandbox, I probably spend too much time there already. Either posting in the "Cats" topic or casting a baleful eye at the "Moderation" thread. And... there's a new BB palindrome brewing. So it's "all systems go" over there right now. The Sandbox rocks! ;D     

Sheriff John Stone has cat (see your topic for details)...

This is one side of the Netherlands: http://www.eatingamsterdamtours.com/blog/traditionally-dutch/

And this is another: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXUgXehf-uI

Well then.

Which thread is this?

No idea, Labe. You'd better ask Will. Or... maybe he'll spot this and get in touch (or answer here)... 

I like Labe as a name. It has potential. And thanks for answering. :=)

Hey John,  I'm coming here everyday.  Posting, not so much.  My last two addressed to you actually.  I'm just hanging on the fringes of Smiley waiting for things to cool down.  That doesn't look to be any time soon.  Nearly three years since I joined, all that seems to be left is anger and hostility.  How can you talk about music (the reason I came here in the first place) with all the fist swinging going on?  We used to play fun games like Survivor, boy, those days are over.  There is too much duck-n-cover.  Too many hit lists.  I don't do well in that kind of environment.  Research?  Another of my favorite pastimes, hard to do with most of historians out the door, some eliminating the past as they leave.  Have you checked Steve Mayo's post history lately?  It's gone.  All those wonderful magazine articles and pictures going back to the 60's, poof.  Who else has or will do the same thing?  They read the same stuff I do.  The scariest thing I've read here since Andrew's ban is from the Chairman of the Board himself.  That he could and would brush everything away, close down Smiley with the wave of a hand.  That would include all my hard work sharing my research.

As for the Sandbox, after over a month of reading the arguments, I probably should not go there.  I did this morning to read Josh's goodbye note.  Others don't even leave notes, they just leave.  Most of my friends have moved on.  And I don't mean to PSF.  Many too many have stopped posting anywhere.  Like Ray said all those years ago, "Where Have All the Good Times Gone?"

I saw your post here the other day about me rushing through Welcomes at PSF.  Everybody is welcome there.  It's fresh starts all around.  I don't see that post anymore, another victim of the delete button so popular in this section. :lol  That might have been the one with your invitation to come to the Oops thread to discuss things calmly.  If so, I see why you would remove that.  Or did a mod do that for you? That kind of order doesn't seem to be possible right now.

I must sound down, but I am not out.  As I said before, I will still post here - in the General Music and Music Makers sections.  See you here in the Oops and there. -Will

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6uBHxCwdek

We can't delete posts.

Thank you, Chris.  I'm touched.  We'll make it through these rough waters. -Will

I don't know how much power you have.  I do know for a fact that mods have asked that posts Be removed.

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Ok I stand corrected...it let me delete the last post. Yet most of the if I try to do it, it gives me an error message.

No offense for the post deletion...I was just testing it out.

Billy, I quoted that post so that I could look back it.  The posts disappear in this section at an alarming rate.  I've known Mari since the day I joined Smiley, before really, as she was one my favorites in the years I just guested here.  Her name is in my very first post.  I don't think she would mind if I capture one of her replies, especially since it is directed directly at me.  I take no offense.  It took away a little bit of history, tho.   

I'm actually trying to restore it, and had been since I deleted ir

 


You had quoted that and responded with a period.  I'm actually trying to restore the actual post but am having issues

Yay!!! I did it!!!

 I found a 'hidden' board that was part of the board's coding but wasn't active. I was curious to see what it was so I enabled it. When I did I saw what I thought were duplicate posts. Nope...turns out when a post gets deleted, it moves there. So I merged it with this topic, and not only did it restore the post, it moved it to its original spot.

That's pretty cool.

Should we be worried that you're only discovering this now, ten years later?  ;D

:lol

What's the real thing is I also found the old Male Ego subforum that we had for a brief period of time. Man, all of this stuff is archived!

And what is darkly hilarious is I found this quite by accident, in a thread named 'oops'

You're your own " Way Back Machine".  ;D

Hey Billy, people have been saying that people leaving have been deleting their old material.
Two questions: is the board backed up regularly so the data that's been recently deleted can be recovered?
And, is there a way that you can set posts to be uneditable after a certain window of time so people can't go back to historical posts and delete their text/images?

Looks like EVERY post that has ever been deleted is there, dating back to 2006. 

No way to set posts to uneditable, sadly.

That's too bad. One person said people were deleting "threads". I don't know if that's possible. From what's said above it sounds like people are editing out images from old posts, like images or articles or other collectibles. Which, because they are editing, not deleting, I would guess would not end up on the deleted items board.

Correct.

Gone is gone.  History stored here that is gone.  Let's hope that nobody else decides to.  It could get hard on us researchers.  What Smiley was built on.  That foundation could easily crumble.  Think about it.  The thread where all the historians are sitting around discussing who sang what, where, and when on all the Beach Boys songs.  Just one example, I don't need a second.  If some of the participants are not banned, but still have open accounts...  All they have to do is log-on and go to work.

"I will now proceed to entangle the entire area."

And then there are the Guests Ghosts.  They have no history, unless you stumble upon one of their posts within a thread.  I call that almost gone.  You could try search, but how would you know what you are searching for.  Common names can be tricky to getting good results.  Next time you see one that says Guest, try to click on their post history.

Yeah, I've noticed that. Once an account is deactivated, you can't see that account's post history. It's frustrating.

Deleted.  ;D

In the moderation thread, someone referred to people 'deleting threads.' I don't know if anyone has; I hope not. Billy, would a deleted thread be on your deleted stuff board?
Referring to post deletions, I assume the reference above was to Steve Mayo deleting his excellent scans from this thread:
http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,10376.0.html

It might be. 

Old Times, Good Times.  And in this very thread.  My Welcome thread, which I am very proud of, the only thread I have ever made here at Smiley, had to be reconstructed.  I had to make some edits, so that it made sense.  When posts are deleted with no explanation it causes confusion, and changes history.  As you can see by this quoted reply, I didn't know how it was happening.

Tonight I found out it could be done.  I'm very glad my . post has been put back in it's proper place.  -thanks

. posts do say something.  puts my thoughts in a holding pattern, wondering why usually.  I don't labor the point, it is the way it is.  things change.

Wow. That's amazing. No end to what this thread is good for.

It also serves as a reminder to us to think before posting, as even the deleted stuff can come back to haunt us.

As for mentioning the newly created board: If I quote something from Bellagio or Steve Hoffman I acknowledge the source. After all, someone else has done the legwork and they should get the credit. But what I'll do is describe it as I described the Capitol Board after I'd left, as being "across the road". Vague for those who prefer it that way, quite clear for everyone else.

Will, great to have you drop in here and air your thoughts (even if they're . ). This is a safe haven----a place to discuss just about anything "in an atmosphere of calm". :=)

Respectively:
Maybe "wow" for some but I'm sure Billy just said it, he won't re-post it.

Ditto deleted stuff, I don't think he said he will re-post every deleted post in its place to "haunt" us. At least in my case, I didn't delete posts which were bad/offensive, I did it to minimize the post count.

Thank you, john, I knew we can work it out. Yes, describe it as "across the road". How about editing your post in the "What you listen" thread I replied to?

Better capture this one, too.  It's .(dot) that I don't care...  thanks for the invitation.  Did you get a kick out of all the commotion while you were sleeping last night?  And I'm always in an atmosphere of calm.  I lived through the 60's, man. :lol
-Will  We need one of those hiding under a chair emoticons. :brian  Will that do in a pinch?

The only person going back and modifying Steve's posts and threads is Steve, and the only one who was talking about it here was the mysterious "Forrest Gump" until Steve told everyone what he was doing on another forum.

Unless there is a bug in the system, as has been explained already the members here cannot delete a post or a thread, at least in the main forums and groups here. If there are sub-forums where this is possible, it could have slipped by and it will be looked at.

Hi John. Good to see you here. I think what RR was referring to was a call by the PS forum mods not to bring Smiley issues on board----sounds reasonable to me. Personally, I think the dual-board activity among posters is most encouraging. Another thing----no one has been dissed for not joining the PS forum.

Oh, and "across the road" isn't supposed to mean "across the track", lol. I'm just trying to satisfy all parties----which means they'll all be shooting at me before long. ;D 

And now I know why----you want a gold star! :lol

Hi, just to clear this up, there is no rule on PSF in regards to referencing Smiley Smile. What happened is, I personally asked a few people to refrain from negative posting, as it does neither forum any good. Other than that, anyone there can write the words as they please. We share a common membership, so of course both forums are going to come up in conversations.

Okay----thanks for clarifying, Doc. :=)

Smb. in the Sandbox - iirc MarcellaHasDirtyFeet - said that there is rule set to not discuss Smiley - turns out he didn't mean it literally rule but as what drbeachboy says now. wouldn't be aware as I don't check that forum.

Regarding thread/post deletion - yes, you can't do it in the main board, Sandbox, Music & Music Makers. It can be done in Welcome & the Album, Reviews discussions. That's why I said "in some cases".

Doc,  Thank You very much for posting the facts about what is going on.  We are all Beach Boys fans, first.  I will continue to read here at Smiley, and post when I have something that may interest others.  Or just leave messages to my friends, like you John.

The Beach Boys were my favorite American band for many many years.  I still follow both Brian's currant band and Mike's Beach Boys.  I watch all three forums, and various other media spots.  I don't think many of us were ever confined to just one source of information.  The information is basically sourced from many sites, then lands here and there to be discussed.

John k,  This thread has become the strangest of all, alligators all around.  Posts appear, sometimes for a mere few hours before being deleted.  It's very hard to keep up with what's being said when nearly every reply is gone the next time you look.  You can't capture them all... and unless captured, the conversation can get fractured.  You and I have discussed this in this very thread.  For me to have time to answer, it is my hope you can at least leave yours up for a day, 24 hours.  It is after 8pm where I am.  Need to take a break right now.  Maybe some Tv or a movie, you know, normal stuff - life, be with the ones you love.  Not that I don't love my message friends who's faces are left to my imagination.  I do a lot of my writing late at night and into the early morning hours when I can sit at my desk and think. -Will

Yes, thanks to drbeachboy for explanation. If you say, feelsflow, that "We are all Beach Boys fans, first" what for did you referred to Smiley members "SS haters"? Esp. if you "will continue to read here at Smiley, and post when I have something that may interest others". You call john "friend", then reading there - this time I read it with my eyes, not smb. else said - your "SS haters" remark to up the new forum - it is very impolite & contradicting.

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Would it be too much to ask why members other than Steve Mayo have chosen to remove scans and other media from this board? Are they going to the other board for a reason other than what this appears to be about?

For members - fans here - with no skin in this or any other game, just my own two cents, that's a pretty crappy thing to do if it was done out of spite, unless the links simply expired and the URL's on the photo hosts changed and haven't been updated.

I see this has been moved to the Sandbox. Well then.

Maybe to prevent post deletion as you can't do it in the Sandbox. just edit. That & due to serious things being discussed.

2 feelsflow: what is that dot post? Agreement? "I'll save post then get back to it later"?

This was John k's Welcome thread.

john is easygoing; he wouldn't mind it being moved. & what you meant by that dot post?

Deleted.  8)

Hi Will. The only posts I've ever deleted were about issues (minor stuff, mainly between RR and myself) that had been resolved. I believe I did remove that remark about you welcoming all those new folks at PS when the subject of not mentioning PS by name came up and I edited a post. Which was remiss of me, in retrospect. From now on, PS is PS, period. It's a fact of life. And now the business of deleting is resolved as well.

It's great to see my innocuous topic being put to such good (and positive) use. :=)

john, I said many times but it fell on deaf ears that when this topic was in the Welcome, the posters deleted their posts. He implied it's done by the mods. & I told him you deleted your posts yourself. The way he talks to you "john k, this thread has become the strangest [...] Posts appear, sometimes for a mere few hours before being deleted" etc. as if he didn't think in the slightest that you could delete the posts too.
Besides, john, is it OK for you that Will referred to the Smiley members "SS haters"?

See, feelsflow? I was right, john is easygoing & he didn't mind it being moved here.

Please remind me where he said that.

:D

Only reference I can find to such a phrase was not by Will, but by monicker, five years ago – only it was in relation to the album Smiley Smile and the use of the Baldwin organ:

You really don't read very well, Mr. Manning, don't you? I said very clearly that it's said in the new forum.
john, feelsflow keeps silent because he knows he said that. Since you check that place, check his posts, go back to 3rd page, post from May 31, 2016, at 12:59am.

Charles, Billy and GF,  I don't know where she is getting this. If you don't mind, I would like to capture this.  I will try to sort this out.

Since I was mentioned previously:  
Think of them as pieces loaned to a museum exhibition.
I don't like the direction the current Board of Directors, so to speak, has taken the SS board, and I've decided to remove my mueseum exhibits
The pictures I removed are mine only. Ownership of them was never deeded to this board( Hey Jude), and as such, I've taken them back.
Whether you think what I've done is immaterial.
Images of my collection belong to me.
You want the images,HEY,  buy the collection. Then you can decide to post them yourself, or not

What's "Charles, Billy and GF" got to do with this? Seriously, at least if you quote my post, read what I *actually* said there. john said he checks the NEW forum & he asked me "Please remind me where he said that". I distinctly remembered that post re "SS haters". It was one of the 1st posts when that forum began. To make it clear, I tell you where to find it. coordinates, so to speak. feelsflow at the NEW forum goes by name "Will Harris". I checked his page & copy-pasted with no editing what he exactly said there to answer john's question.

Charles, Billy and GF,  I am about to contact the administrators of the Pet Sounds Forum, which is what I can only guess RRA1 is referring to as "NEW" forum.  Could you ask her to supply this "Quote" with an actual link, a clickable link.  If it lights up "blue" maybe I could find it.

I like how you quote my post & address this question to the mods here. This is link: http://beachboys.boards.net/thread/35/yknow?page=2

Well, here's your post, and nowhere does it mention the new forum. To be frank I wasn't aware you'd started visiting it, let alone monitoring it so closely.

cc

Coming from someone who came back on this board to post and call me "guitarstool" and accuse me of twisting the facts, I'm not surprised. Enjoy curating your museum.

But it's all about the music, right? Have fun with the liars, they're guaranteed to tell you what you want to hear.

That is a heartwarming thread to read, but considering who is behind the whole thing, I'm not surprised at all. At least there is a place to go if anyone wants to hear dirt about Brian and Melinda's kids, the source is holding court.

Thanks for posting that thread, very educational. I had not seen that until now.

This is the post tree in question, just to settle this as far as the discussion here. It definitely appears that Will used the term "SS haters", and if there are issues with formatting and the board's quote function, address it to the people who run that board. I mean those who actually run the board as in mods and admins, not the "higher ups".

Signed,
Your friendly neighborhood Super Moderator, wearing my mod gear as I type this message.

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Y'know what this place needs ?
May 30 2016 at 10:59am
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May 30 2016 at 5:11am Micha said:
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May 29 2016 at 6:57am johnmanning said:
I think it's very important that Supermod wears his underpants outside his baggies.
I think it's very important that Supermod wears mod gear. :)

And obviously, as the SS haters can register here, this board unfortunately needs an ignore button too.

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Mr. Manning, I assumed that when you check a thread, you read every post. In Reply No.160, I mentioned new forum in connection to feelsflow's "SS haters" remark. I assumed reading that, you'd understand where that comment was said. & I don't know why john k asked me remind that as it's his thread & I assumed he would know what I'm talking about. I repeated it many times. As to your last bit, I, once again, read the new forum 1st few days since Charles Le Page started thread about it. & as I said, that post & topic was among the 1st there. It stuck in mind.

You and the russian are evidently both illiterate twats: following the thread on the PS forum back to page 1 you 'll find the original post by micha was the post mentioning ss haters.
 But of course you couldn't be bothered with checking the facts on account of you're the "know it all I won't let anything go without proving I'm right about everything and if you don't like it I'll sermon you to death,  and ruin the board for everyone" mod. 

>>  http://petsoundsforum.com/post/403 <<

Uncalled for.

I posted those quotes because it *looked* like Will posted it to people reading it, I did not say he DID, and I said specifically if there were issues with the quote function on that board, address it to the people on the other board who deal with those issues.

Now go back to talking with your insiders and get the new company line to spread around, since you've already beaten the issues that I post too long and have ruined the board into the ground. Get your own fact checker who can't seem to get his own facts straight to go over it first.

Illiterate twat? Real class, there, Chris. Real fucking class. I hope you give the bullshitters free admission coupons to your museum. Maybe you can get Mike's Beard and Mikie to give a lecture on how to treat people like sh*t.

I'll address it. I'm sick of guys like this acting like idiots and getting away with it, across the board(s). Give, and ye shall receive. Tired of this sh*t.

He could have been banned during any number of his blow-ups with Mikie in the past, but wasn't, so he's still at it. I guess it's a slow day at the museum.

That is not my quote, and it took me awhile to find it.  It is not in my post history at PSF.  She, and now you are looking at a thread that was quickly locked.  And rightly so.  Your post tree shows that I was using a post option, not making a post.  GF, did you go yourself to look at the post?  It was Micha, a poster who posts here under the same name, that made the post, and said what she is claiming I said.  If you can see what I see as a PSF member, it is very obvious what I did write, and you conveniently didn't quote it here.  My post was:  "Okay, that didn't work.  What I was trying to say... Well, he has a xtc button."  That was referring to Bubbly Waves, and nothing to do with Smiley.  Even that was not a post.  It is stuck down in a "Reason to edit box."  That was my only option, as I could not see where to post.  I think it was my first try at a post there.  I will discuss this with Dirk and Robert, maybe they can send you a better screenshot.  Charles is a PSF member, he should be able to see it the way it is.

I can only guess the reason John k's Oops thread has been moved to the Sandbox is so stuff like this can flourish.  In case you don't get it, and I don't know how you could, since I have kept it private, like the gentleman I am.   The reason I haven't spoken directly to RangeRoverA1 in over a year is that she wouldn't stop sending me PMs after I politely asked her to stop.  She won't.  She has some kind of fascination for me.  If the rule still stands, it is against board policy to continue to send someone PMs after they ask you to stop.  I didn't want to let the mods in to my PMs.  I didn't really want to cause her to get a ban.  But I do want her to stop saying nasty things about me, that she leaves up long enough, and in places where I will see them - Then deletes them.  My . posts were so I could capture them, nothing more.  She has taken this into the public realm to continue to get my attention.  I don't want to argue or discuss anything with her in public or private.  I can provide the PM where I said that to her if I need to.

And I'm saying again, if there is an issue with how quotes are lined up in the other board's mechanism, it should be taken up with them. When I saw the post with 3 quotes, it looked like you said it because of the board layout. It became an issue here, I addressed it here, and yes indeed if there is confusion due to how the other board stacks quotes to where it looked like you said it, then it's an issue they should address, it has nothing to do with this board.

Will: Regarding the PM issue. You can block anyone from sending you a PM. Let me tell you a funny story. Someone with "impeccable sources" and a devotion to fact-checking one time sent me a string of PM messages, then told me in one he was blocking my replies so I shouldn't bother trying. Then he sent a follow up saying he couldn't block my replies. So you can block anyone's PM's except mods and admins.

That would seem to be the best solution.

Now I feel stupid - I am sorry for attributing that comment to you, Will. The way that quote looked seemed to be yours, it is very distant from the 1st sentence of Micha's post. That forum looks very inconvenient. And apologies for sending pm's, I just wanted to talk & didn't like losing friendship but EDIT: aside from that, I sent them to defend myself against your accusations & dissection of my posts, that I possibly check your facebook, which you NEVER said you have. & let's not create stuff, OK? "She has some kind of fascination for me" - point me in direction where I showed this "fascination". This is a lie. The only nasty thing I said & deleted was this misunderstanding re "SS haters". What else did I say "nasty"? Are you getting paranoid or what?? Now it's your turn to bring apology.

Meanwhile, sorry,Mr. Manning & john k too.

I would take the pleas for peace from the other board more seriously if AGD hadn't taken a passive agressive shot at GF on the other board.

That is a reasonable attempt to resolve this. And it seemed to stem in this specific case from an issue with the other board's design and functionality regarding quotes, as I said originally, and if it's an issue then the mods and admins there need to do some plumbing so misunderstandings like this don't happen again.

That is who he is, that is what he does, that is what he has been doing since I didn't do what he wanted done regarding the moderation of this board and issues beyond. Did the same thing on BBB, got a whole thread going about how shitty of a mod I was and how I was ruining this board.

Pathetic, isn't it? For me, I look to how the great philosopher Thomas Petty (he of the Heartbreakers) once wrote "I won't back down", especially with this sort of crap.

deleted as being irrelevant to the latest inter-board poster issues.

One benefit is now all of the members who disrespected this board, people on this board, and ignored or disregarded the rules of this board repeatedly and were banned have been welcomed with open arms at another forum. So anyone who wants to whitewash or scrub down the past 10 years of history that led to whatever bans were issued and act like none of it happened, you know the address.

I'd skipped it, so far, other than to look once at the beginning and see who the members were.  "Guaranteed no trolls, f*ckwits and sh*tweasels" - that's hilarious, given the founding members of that place.  I'm still waiting for that personal invitation to join that others on SS were getting, though.  :lol

I understand they've been on their good behavior so far to attract new members.  I remain - shall we say - skeptical?

Well, I just read that link posted here just to see what the reference was and there I was, on that adorable board.  Good behavior?  Of course not, just ban anyone who disagrees.  Pathetic.

You mean Andrew Doe, John Manning, and Alan Smith never sent you an invite among all the invites they sent? Well, I'm shocked and stunned!  ;D

It's ironic, isn't it? That link spoke volumes. Ban those who disagree, which is what I caught major sh*t for doing here even though it was a lie and was proven to never have happened, but now it already happened on, what, the first week of the new forum.

Toe that line, over there. Gotta keep 'em in line.

But again, for those who want to whitewash all of the issues of the past that got these people banned, you know the address.

.          Bottom of the Barrel Board would suffice so much better than PS.   >:D

Why do folks think they need an invite to join the board?  I'm only asking because it keeps getting brought up here and seems to be an issue.

Consider this too: Why were these members the ones sending invites and doing promotional posts on several media to get people to sign up there instead of the moderators and admins doing it for their own board? Then, at least one of those actively promoting that board and sending invites posts as one of the first discussions there a thread full of passive aggressive swipes at this board, and aimed at specific people here. Must be something at stake that's not being mentioned.

If a new burger joint opens, I'd expect the owners and those with some stake in the operation like the managers to be the ones spearheading the effort to promote it and invite others to come in before it opens. I wouldn't expect the regular customer off the street who came in for a burger and fries every week at the "old" burger joint in town to start sending invitations to the customers of the old place to come in and try the new joint, and start taking out ads on his own initiative advertising the new burger joint unless there was something more at stake than a new burger joint opening.

I haven't had a good burger for awhile, I'm overdue.

Craig, please, ease up before your blood pressure gets the better of you.

I was honoured to receive an early invite to the board shortly after it was foundered. I checked it out, liked what I saw, and invited a few folk I regard as friends and others I'd had pleasant dealings with here and elsewhere. I'd've invited plenty more if I'd had the time but I have a job, two young kids and four new copies of Pet Sounds to listen to, so time is limited.

I've no investment there, no vested interest. I'm not an admin or a mod, nor am I paying for hosting or a thing. I just like it there.

Debbie I'm really sorry you weren't one of those who received an invite from anyone but, as has been stated, it's a very open place and everyone seems to be made welcome.

Craig, have you considered joining? Without the burden of moderation, you might find it a chilled experience. I'm enjoying posting there without having to consider whether my posts will bring out a tirade of ridicule or abuse, or whether I might be added to a watch list.

Gotta go, the Mrs has chores for me.

Okay, I'm impressed with how you conveniently missed the irony in my comments about the new board, Lt. Manning.  It was meant to be humorous.  Yeah, I really want to hang out with Mikie, Mike's Beard, VJH, and others - no doubt Nicko is there under some new name, too.  What a fun group.  If there are pm's, I'll bet they're delectable.  I'll be skipping it. 

Why would I post there, John, or want to be a part of it? The fact remains that lies and malicious comments were spread here on Smiley to who knows how many people via PM about Brian's wife, kids, and marriage, along with disgusting comments about other board members. And now these people are being welcomed and embraced at this new forum?

I was also lied about and blamed for things I simply did not do, and guys like your new admin have simply refused to admit the truth is actually the truth after being told how things happened by the actual people involved repeatedly for months. Some of those also welcomed back were part of a fucking campaign to discredit me and bash me that went across several boards and social media, and ultimately the plot failed. And it will continue to fail because they're liars. So much for the campaign to have a free election for mods here, after one of those involved (also welcomed back) didn't use spell-check.

Now do you seriously think after being involved in all of this for over a decade with assorted boards and forums that I watched implode that I don't have an inkling at what's going on here?

If there were a bit of honesty involved in how it all suddenly came to be that a new board appeared after Lee Dempsey quit in a huff once he heard Andrew Doe was banned, after Steve Mayo and/or Forrest Gump started posting about deleting posts only to find it was all coming from the same place, after another regular poster registered as a fake name and account and basically lied to my face...

Then suddenly a new board shows up, where Andrew Doe was taking a role in promoting it and inviting people to it, both privately and publicly, where you and Alan Smith were doing the same things after being two of the most vocal critics against me and who were advocating for my removal or replacement, and after we now have Lee's partner in ESQ David Beard going on a radio interview and promoting both Andrew Doe and this new board as the go-to place for Beach boys information...after finding out what was found out with this PM campaign or whatever you want to call it to bash Melinda Wilson and anyone else who Andrew had issues with...

It's sick stuff, man. That's all I can say.

If you expect people to conveniently whitewash the history and forget about all that has gone down, and say "We have a new board which is *the* source for Beach Boys news and information", and among the contributors and most prominent members and posters are people who have been caught lying and gossiping about everything from people's marriages and personal lives to who they actually are versus setting up alias accounts on numerous fan forums, then they have to either go along with the whitewash and hit the "reset" button and suddenly believe all of this is clean, or ask how and why all of this suddenly came together after Andrew's ban on this forum and yet another failed attempt to remove what certain elements tried to blame as the reason why this board was "ruined".

If honesty has been the order of the day, that's fine. But these things do not just happen randomly. How about a little honesty that runs as deep as the whole thing actually runs versus trying to put a facade on everything to make it more palatable?

The go-to place for Beach Boys information? Hardly.

Whoa...did not know this...

Click on this link and listen: https://youtu.be/-2afqQbKySs?t=39m41s (https://youtu.be/-2afqQbKySs?t=39m41s)

Well, you tried.  And thanks for your support yesterday.  I've felt like I was in a Twitter flash-fire war these past few days at Smiley.

I will post here, PSF, John K's place, and maybe one of these days join BBB.  It is being made too big a deal of.  Enjoy life.  Get back to writing about the music you love.  That's what it's all about.

I'm spending too much time in the Sandbox.  Lately it has been my first stop when I log-in.  Out of necessity. -Will

I love the Sandbox: basketball, politics, MS Paint art, food, booze, all good stuff! Incessant bickering about controversies only a few people care about and fewer still even can follow (with all the "you know what you did" or "remember back when so-and-so said such-and-such")? Not so much. No, the threads about whodunit--which they all seem to become lately--make even those of us with no axes to grind feel less like hanging around.

I didn't get that far into the interview before just skipping it because of the nonsense about "Pet Sounds" that he was promoting.  Unbelievable.   

Great post, GF.  :thumbsup

What a surprise.  Well, not to anyone paying attention.  Congrats, Mr. Love on your new board.

 ::)

That's the thing that bothers me, especially the thing with the fake accounts. That sadly seems to be happening more and more often, and I'm tired of it.

Perhaps the ability t o register to this board should be temporarily disabled?

I dunno. I've gone back through the last four pages - which is all I can tolerate - and I don't see new posters or those posting under an alias that's the problem

It's not in this thread.  But, yes, these duplicate accounts are definitely becoming a problem, especially when said fake/dup account exists only to cause trouble. Taking Forrest Gump out of the equation (let's say he's telling the truth where every single post he made just so happened to be on a now-former member's computer), you have China Pig and ZenobiaUnchained, just to name two people (and yes, there are more).  One is a banned member, the other is one of the ones who was leaving by choice. You know what? I respect the former a whole lot more, because at least they got caught and fessed up to it. The latter type. to me, is cowardly. If you are leaving because you don't like the way the board is going, and you want to come back to let off a parting shot...do it under your known screen name. Own your words. Be a man/woman/whatever and claim it. Don't hide behind a different account like that.


That may be an option, but one I hope we never have to use. I really hate the thought of that.

Really? Now that explains a lot! ;D