Carl had sung at least 4 leads ("Summer Time Blues" with Dave, "Louie Louie" with Mike, "Pom Pom Playgirl," and "All Dressed Up for School") by the time he got to GOK.

Also "I Should Have Known Better / Tell Me Why" with Al, and part of "The Little Girl I Once Knew".

We did do a definitive vocal credits thread so people would stop thinking Carl's first lead is Girl Don't Tell Me.

How can anybody not like 'it's getting late'

I don't.

Post-KTSA, I like Where I Belong, Getcha Back is okay, Somewhere Near Japan and Island Girl. And Wipe Out is okay.

Damn. I wish there was one picture with all six on.

I think I've heard Jeff Foskett do "Cryin'"

Sad question, but, in the home movies of them at the beach, is there a shot with all six of them in the frame? (i.e. The Wilsons, Mike, Al and Dave). They were all present that day, right?

Aftermath by the Stones was about 53 minutes long.

A lot of the Bob Dylan albums from 1963-1965 were 50 minute LPs.

Interesting. Glad I'm not the only one!

I like it too. Not too much, but I like Some Of your Love, School Days, Goin' On and Santa Winds enough that the whole album gets a pass. After a Mike/Al album and a Carl/Denny album, it's nice that this one is a little more integrated.

Emailed you already. Yay Manchester!

Additionally, while we're talkin' 20-20 as SMiLE, my fanmix dream would be this:

I'm not a big fan of "I Wanna Be Around". If Brian wanted to do an old standard, then it's a shame he didn't get the idea to do "Ol' Man River" then - first of all, it's got a few different sections to it, like the SMiLE material itself, secondly, it has the same lyrical motif as Cabinessence in a way, except the ethnic workers / slaves are black, not Chinese, and thirdly, it would be great running into an Elements suites where "Water" is placed first.

Fourthly and fifthly, it's a much better song and they do it so well.

Time To Get Alone has always reminded me of Cabinessence's little brother - they have a similar vibe, the same lead singer, and a similar theme - to the verses anyway, the idea of getting away with your loved one:

"Light the lamp and fire mellow / Cabinessence timely hello" always conjured up entering your vacation cabin for the first time, putting the light on and lighting the fire, and it's a timely hello because it was time to get alone, after all.

"Nestle in a kiss below there / It's so quiet, you can hear for a country mile, makes you want to sit and kiss for a little while"
These two lyrics kinda go together.

And of course, there's the SMiLE theme in the middle of the Hawthorne version of TTGA.

As I've said before, I just assumed the "like" came from the play on "dig" - meaning the act of digging but also digging as in liking stuff. It's one step from here to there.

Just one disc?
Okay:

1. Good Vibrations
2. Cabinessence
3. Heroes And Villains
4. Vegetables
5. With Me Tonight
6. Country Air
7. Darlin'
8. Wild Honey
9. Here Comes The Night
10. Let The Wind Blow
11. Little Bird
12. Meant For You
13. Friends
14. Wake The World
15. Time To Get Alone
16. Bluebirds Over The Mountain
17. Do It Again
18. I Can Hear Music
19. Forever
20. All I Wanna Do
21. Break Away
22. Slip On Through
23. Cottonfields
24. This Whole World
25. Susie Cincinnati
26. Tears In The Morning
27. Add Some Music To Your Day
28. Cool, Cool Water [edit]

I guess that'd fit.

And Little Bird, right?

When I said Brian's version of Surf's Up, I meant the 1966 piano "demo". It'd be interesting to try and create a "full" instrumental version featuring purely 1966-67 elements (pardon the pun).
(However it was BWPS' CIFOTM I was listening to originally).

Purplechick's CIFOTM works okay on youtube, if you start singing "Dove nested towers" from the start maybe slightly slower than average perhaps, then the trumpet "wah-wah" seems to come in as you finish the line. Might need some time correction etc, but I think using just that 2:19 track, you could cannibalize a fitting track to use for Part 2. Maybe.

Okay, indulge me with this:

So I was half-listening to Brian's version of Child Is Father Of The Man today, and as it started, I inadvertantly started singing "Dove-nested towers..." to myself over it, then I realised what I was doing. But in the timing and tempo I was singing it in, it kinda fit. This leads me to ask, even though it's pretty daft - has anyone ever lashed the instrumental of CIFOTM to the second movement of Surf's Up?

The actual bit where the BBs sing the CIFOTM refrain wouldn't work, but that's used as the coda anyway, so minus that. And yes, it might take some editing, and fixing as regards pitch and time, and a section might need to be repeated, but alas I don't have any kind of editing equipment and lost my place trying to fit in because I don't have the instrumental. But could it work? The main, slow figure with the guitar used at the beginning of CIFOTM on BWPS and the end bit, with that smoky trumpet, just before SU on BWPS...is it possible, just for fun?

(I know I'm history's greatest monster, but I've never dug the track going into that sparse piano demo for the second movement).

I thought that, and a review of the time said it too. Looking at the angle he's at though, I think he's balanced the woo-woo machine on the keyboard to play. I think he used the keys as a brace for Good Vibes, because there's a mike there too, whereas for Wild Honey he didn't need to sing, right? So he played it sat on the floor as in the picture on the LP cover.

Dirty ol' Al! (Unless he's got mixed up and it was Mike, although I can't see Mike taking any sh*t from anyone 5'6")

Are you sure it's Bruce singing? I thought Al usually sang lead on Barbara Ann around that time.

Sure sounds like it's Bruce cutting in on the David Marks part. I guess Al sings the lead, though, but it's hard to hear what with the bad quality and all.

Al sang the high part, but the verses were usually all four "front-guys".

Laughed at? Do you mean like they were laughed at with songs like "Darlin", "Do It Again", and "I Can Hear Music"?

The wheel had turned or was about to turn by that point,, back to relative simplicity - John Wesley Harding, Lady Madonna, Jumpin' Jack Flash by the time these records were released.

I don't agree. Yes, you named a few exceptions by a few artists. But, you can't look at the music that was coming out of 1967 and 1968 and call it "simplistic". That was one of the most complex and creative periods in the history of rock & roll.

Ah, but the artists I named were THE prime movers. By early 1968, psychedelia was on the way down, and acoustic, bluesy, retro-styling were back in. The Boys were actually ahead of the pack by a month with Wild Honey. The Byrds were about to go country, and the Band were about to break big, causing Cream to split up as obsolete. The Who went Bo Diddley on "Magic Bus". There's nothing particularly "arty" on Beggars Banquet, or Revolution 9 aside, the White Album. Only cash-in one hit wonders like the Lemon Pipers were still messing around with phased sitars or mumbo-jumbo lyrics.

Laughed at? Do you mean like they were laughed at with songs like "Darlin", "Do It Again", and "I Can Hear Music"?

The wheel had turned or was about to turn by that point,, back to relative simplicity - John Wesley Harding, Lady Madonna, Jumpin' Jack Flash by the time these records were released.

I wouldn't have wanted to go from "California Girls" and "Good Vibrations" to "Do You Like Worms". How about you?

"Do You Like Worms" is just a funny name, that might well have changed. With the lyrics, it's a lot less weird, only about as weird as "Vibes" really.

I do love Mike, but the way I view it is this, Mike was at the time (by sunflower I feel he changed) a money obsessed tool, he had no musical vision, all he saw was chicks, fame and money. When he heard SMiLE all he heard was change, something that doesn't sound like regular Beach Boys, something not 'commercial', his support would of helped Brian, would it of saved SMiLE who knows.

One thing people never factor into these things I feel is that Mike, as well as Brian, is also really competitive. Of course, he is, look at his "R n R Hall of Fame" rant. He's not a stupid man, and I cannot believe that he'd think that doing fun-in-the-sun stuff while the Beatles pull out Revolver and Pepper would keep them where they were. It would be the experimental, not the usual old stuff, that would give them status. They'd seen the Marksmen, the Sunrays, all those guys fall away; if Brian - who hadn't steered them wrong yet during an era when the goalposts changed every two weeks - assured them that this would be the way to avoid going the way of those surf groups, he'd have listened.

He didn't want the old stuff. He wanted the new stuff, but he wanted it out in the stores. Not sat endlessly in the studio.

I don't understand how people can get on his back for that stupid HoF speech and all the jealousy and rivalry it contained, and then say, "Ah, but in 1967 he wanted them to do I Get Around Part II, that would've stood up to Strawberry Fields and Have You Seen Your Mother, Baby? LOLZ!!!". It's one or the other. And his objection with SMiLE was that it wasn't happening quick enough, not that it was. I'm sure of it.

Ha, I thought so!

Then, why was Smiley Smile released, and Smile wasn't? The former was finished, the latter wasn't. Sometimes answers ARE simple.

Right. And that shows that Mike wasn't a factor. As long as it's done, Mike doesn't mind. Mike is just Brian's necessary bogeyman these days, like Murry was. It's like all the BS about Pet Sounds - Mike has said forever that he dug it, but the story always is that he hated it. Badman even tries to claim that Mike hated the second side of Today! Mike vs. progression does not hold true to me.

The thing about Mike being pushed out is another good one - the guy (and I'm no huge fan of him and the attitue he projects) was humble enough that he sat there throughout Pet Sounds and the SMiLE sessions, as the non-instrument playing singer, and saw next-to-no vocals coming his way. There's some element of good grace there. I know I'd be pissed if I were minimized in that way.

Am I dreaming, or did someone once put up a copy of Beach Boys '85 "signed" by Denny?