The Smiley Smile Message Board
Welcome,
Guest
. Please
login
or
register
.
1 Hour
1 Day
1 Week
1 Month
Forever
Login with username, password and session length
If you like this message board, please help with the hosting costs!
681076
Posts in
27629
Topics by
4067
Members - Latest Member:
Dae Lims
May 21, 2024, 06:18:36 PM
The Smiley Smile Message Board
|
Smiley Smile Stuff
|
General On Topic Discussions
|
Shut Down according to Philip Lambert
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
« previous
next »
Pages:
[
1
]
Author
Topic: Shut Down according to Philip Lambert (Read 3824 times)
Magic Transistor Radio
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 2974
Bill Cooper Mystery Babylon
Shut Down according to Philip Lambert
«
on:
October 30, 2009, 05:51:23 PM »
I just recently bought 'Inside the Music of Brian Wilson' by Philip Lambert. It seems like an interesting read. On Shut Down it kind of bothered me on his discription of Shut Down. Not that I would disagree with anything he said, but he failed to mention the bass/saxaphone sound. I thought I read somewhere that Brian wanted the bass to sound a certain way and Carl thought it sounded like Sh**. But later Carl agreed it was the right sound. I was kind of hoping for his thoughts on that.
Has anyone else (stupid question!) read this book? Any thoughts on it? I think its a pretty interesting read so far.
Logged
"Over the years, I've been accused of not supporting our new music from this era (67-73) and just wanting to play our hits. That's complete b.s......I was also, as the front man, the one promoting these songs onstage and have the scars to show for it."
Mike Love autobiography (pg 242-243)
metal flake paint
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 1376
This harmony kick
Re: Shut Down according to Philip Lambert
«
Reply #1 on:
October 30, 2009, 09:39:07 PM »
The only time I've read Carl disapproving of a certain sound was when Brian asked him to turn up his guitar to distortion point on "Little Honda". Carl indeed thought it was a sh***y idea until he heard the playback and agreed that it was what the song needed.
Logged
"Quit screaming and start singing from your hearts, huh?" Murry Wilson, March 1965.
grillo
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 725
Re: Shut Down according to Philip Lambert
«
Reply #2 on:
October 30, 2009, 10:47:57 PM »
I really enjoyed that book! I liked his interesting prospectives and he made me look at some songs in new ways. Cant think of any examples, but thats what I remember.
Logged
“You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.”
― Richard Buckminster Fuller
PongHit
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 1085
AVOID MISSING BALL FOR HIGH SCORE • JeffWinner.com
Re: Shut Down according to Philip Lambert
«
Reply #3 on:
October 31, 2009, 08:19:14 AM »
I've been slowly reading this book — guess I'm about 1/2 way thru it now. At first I thought I wouldn't finish it because I'm not a musician, & much of it seemed tedious & confusing to me. But I found that there's enough content that I can comprehend, & found interesting enough, that I've decided to finish it. I'm learning a lot of the context in which BW did his work; it illustrates, in great detail, the influences from other artists, & the 'borrowings'/re-workings from BW's own body of work. This book is not about BW's personal life, as the title suggests — it's about the music, not the man.
Logged
''Only more damage can arise from this temporary, fleeting image of success known as The Beach Boys.''
—MURRY WILSON
''People are thinking Mike Love is crazy.''
—MIKE LOVE
''Mike Love? He's Crazy.''
—BRIAN WILSON
Magic Transistor Radio
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 2974
Bill Cooper Mystery Babylon
Re: Shut Down according to Philip Lambert
«
Reply #4 on:
October 31, 2009, 11:06:21 AM »
Ok, so that was Little Honda. For some reason I thought it was the bridge in Shut Down. Even still he didn't really talk about that bridge. But I am really nit picking. A really good read so far.
Logged
"Over the years, I've been accused of not supporting our new music from this era (67-73) and just wanting to play our hits. That's complete b.s......I was also, as the front man, the one promoting these songs onstage and have the scars to show for it."
Mike Love autobiography (pg 242-243)
Chris Brown
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 2014
Re: Shut Down according to Philip Lambert
«
Reply #5 on:
October 31, 2009, 11:00:03 PM »
I loved the book, it's probably my favorite Beach Boys book actually. I'm a music geek, so I loved the detailed musical analysis. It brought to light musical connections that I would have never known about.
Logged
The Heartical Don
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 4761
Re: Shut Down according to Philip Lambert
«
Reply #6 on:
November 01, 2009, 02:21:46 AM »
The Surfsiders' version of Little Honda is much, much better than the BBs one.
Logged
80% Of Success Is Showing Up
mikeyj
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 1825
Re: Shut Down according to Philip Lambert
«
Reply #7 on:
November 01, 2009, 02:33:22 AM »
Quote from: The Heartical Don on November 01, 2009, 02:21:46 AM
The Surfsiders' version of Little Honda is much, much better than the BBs one.
I always wished that the Surfsiders would have cut another dozen or so albums. Surely they are one of the most underrated bands ever.
Logged
The Heartical Don
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 4761
Re: Shut Down according to Philip Lambert
«
Reply #8 on:
November 01, 2009, 02:40:26 AM »
Quote from: mikeyj on November 01, 2009, 02:33:22 AM
Quote from: The Heartical Don on November 01, 2009, 02:21:46 AM
The Surfsiders' version of Little Honda is much, much better than the BBs one.
I always wished that the Surfsiders would have cut another dozen or so albums. Surely they are one of the most underrated bands ever.
I agree. They were much better than the Shaggs, actually. Imagine them having done a Rolling Stones or Doors covers album...
Logged
80% Of Success Is Showing Up
mikeyj
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 1825
Re: Shut Down according to Philip Lambert
«
Reply #9 on:
November 01, 2009, 02:49:24 AM »
I agree. The Shaggs are really great singers, but where is the feeling, you know? But yeah, that would've been awesome if they had done a Stones or Doors album or even a Shaggs covers album. I wouldn't mind hearing some originals either - just imagine how great they'd be?
«
Last Edit: November 01, 2009, 02:50:18 AM by mikeyj
»
Logged
The Heartical Don
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 4761
Re: Shut Down according to Philip Lambert
«
Reply #10 on:
November 01, 2009, 03:07:55 AM »
Quote from: mikeyj on November 01, 2009, 02:49:24 AM
I agree. The Shaggs are really great singers, but where is the feeling, you know? But yeah, that would've been awesome if they had done a Stones or Doors album or even a Shaggs covers album. I wouldn't mind hearing some originals either - just imagine how great they'd be?
Um... for some reason unknown to me I think that the world is a better place without these...
Logged
80% Of Success Is Showing Up
MBE
Guest
Re: Shut Down according to Philip Lambert
«
Reply #11 on:
November 01, 2009, 11:40:37 PM »
I think the book is fine in some respects but it's not even in covering his whole career. Surfin Safari is not more interesting then Friends to me.
«
Last Edit: November 02, 2009, 12:44:21 AM by MBE
»
Logged
The Heartical Don
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 4761
Re: Shut Down according to Philip Lambert
«
Reply #12 on:
November 02, 2009, 12:00:40 AM »
Quote from: MBE on November 01, 2009, 11:40:37 PM
I think the book is fine in some respects but it's not even in covering his whole career. Surfin Safri is not more interesting then Friends to me.
Basically I agree. 'Diamond Head' and 'Passing By' are jewels. The subtle shift to a minor key in 'Passing By' means the world to me, in a musical way. It is a pure 'oohh' moment. 'Diamond Head' is a rhytmical, um, diamond. It can be 'read' two ways: in a very complex meter, or in a ukulele waltz.
Logged
80% Of Success Is Showing Up
Magic Transistor Radio
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 2974
Bill Cooper Mystery Babylon
Re: Shut Down according to Philip Lambert
«
Reply #13 on:
November 02, 2009, 09:43:03 AM »
Don't give it away! As if I don't know where the book is going
Logged
"Over the years, I've been accused of not supporting our new music from this era (67-73) and just wanting to play our hits. That's complete b.s......I was also, as the front man, the one promoting these songs onstage and have the scars to show for it."
Mike Love autobiography (pg 242-243)
LostArt
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 914
Re: Shut Down according to Philip Lambert
«
Reply #14 on:
November 02, 2009, 11:02:57 AM »
Quote from: The Heartical Don on November 02, 2009, 12:00:40 AM
'Diamond Head' and 'Passing By' are jewels. The subtle shift to a minor key in 'Passing By' means the world to me, in a musical way. It is a pure 'oohh' moment. 'Diamond Head' is a rhytmical, um, diamond. It can be 'read' two ways: in a very complex meter, or in a ukulele waltz.
While I agree completely with the first statement, I hear absolutely no complex meter in Diamond Head. The first section (after the reverb spring stuff) is a slow to mid-tempo 4/4 (79-80 bpm or so, or maybe a very fast 6/8, if you want to look at it that way...I don't, just a swung 4/4), the middle free-form section really has no time signature, and the last section a faster 4/4 that gradually slows 'til the end. Where do you hear complex meter or ukulele waltz (whatever that is)?
«
Last Edit: November 02, 2009, 11:28:07 AM by LostArt
»
Logged
Andrew G. Doe
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 17767
The triumph of The Hickey Script !
Re: Shut Down according to Philip Lambert
«
Reply #15 on:
November 02, 2009, 01:14:11 PM »
Quote from: LostArt on November 02, 2009, 11:02:57 AM
Quote from: The Heartical Don on November 02, 2009, 12:00:40 AM
'Diamond Head' and 'Passing By' are jewels. The subtle shift to a minor key in 'Passing By' means the world to me, in a musical way. It is a pure 'oohh' moment. 'Diamond Head' is a rhytmical, um, diamond. It can be 'read' two ways: in a very complex meter, or in a ukulele waltz.
While I agree completely with the first statement, I hear absolutely no complex meter in Diamond Head. The first section (after the reverb spring stuff) is a slow to mid-tempo 4/4 (79-80 bpm or so, or maybe a very fast 6/8, if you want to look at it that way...I don't, just a swung 4/4), the middle free-form section really has no time signature, and the last section a faster 4/4 that gradually slows 'til the end. Where do you hear complex meter or ukulele waltz (whatever that is)?
"Diamond Head" is, in essence, a studio jam. Hence the composer credit.
Logged
The four sweetest words in my vocabulary: "This poster is ignored".
The Heartical Don
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 4761
Re: Shut Down according to Philip Lambert
«
Reply #16 on:
November 04, 2009, 04:24:04 AM »
Quote from: LostArt on November 02, 2009, 11:02:57 AM
Quote from: The Heartical Don on November 02, 2009, 12:00:40 AM
'Diamond Head' and 'Passing By' are jewels. The subtle shift to a minor key in 'Passing By' means the world to me, in a musical way. It is a pure 'oohh' moment. 'Diamond Head' is a rhytmical, um, diamond. It can be 'read' two ways: in a very complex meter, or in a ukulele waltz.
While I agree completely with the first statement, I hear absolutely no complex meter in Diamond Head. The first section (after the reverb spring stuff) is a slow to mid-tempo 4/4 (79-80 bpm or so, or maybe a very fast 6/8, if you want to look at it that way...I don't, just a swung 4/4), the middle free-form section really has no time signature, and the last section a faster 4/4 that gradually slows 'til the end. Where do you hear complex meter or ukulele waltz (whatever that is)?
Hmmm... in a sense you are right about the first part. If tapping foot in 4/4 and drumming the accents 'loosely' (shyncopated?), it can be done. But it is highly unusual for me, still. I am certain however that if you try to separate the string instrument from the rest in pt. 2, you suddenly hear a waltz. Either I am utterly, utterly wrong, or I really discern it this way. Bear in mind: I heard the second part for years as similar to the first. But then it dawned upon me that it can be heard as a nice waltzy thing too. Perhaps a real musician here (I am very amateurish) can shed some light?
Thanks for replying in any case!
Logged
80% Of Success Is Showing Up
LostArt
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 914
Re: Shut Down according to Philip Lambert
«
Reply #17 on:
November 04, 2009, 05:04:38 AM »
Quote from: The Heartical Don on November 04, 2009, 04:24:04 AM
Perhaps a real musician here (I am very amateurish) can shed some light?
I already did.
Don't let the syncopated percussion and ukulele parts fool you. Just tap your foot and count 1 2 3 4. Listen to the chord changes. The chord changes are basically the same in both parts of the song, but the tempo and the feel are different. The chords change on the 1 of each measure for the majority of the song (there are a few spots where the chords change on 1 and 3 of the measure, and the middle section is more free-form). As Andrew said, it's just a jam in the studio. Nothing fancy for the most part.
«
Last Edit: November 04, 2009, 05:14:41 AM by LostArt
»
Logged
The Heartical Don
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 4761
Re: Shut Down according to Philip Lambert
«
Reply #18 on:
November 04, 2009, 05:31:08 AM »
Quote from: LostArt on November 04, 2009, 05:04:38 AM
Quote from: The Heartical Don on November 04, 2009, 04:24:04 AM
Perhaps a real musician here (I am very amateurish) can shed some light?
I already did.
Don't let the syncopated percussion and ukulele parts fool you. Just tap your foot and count 1 2 3 4. Listen to the chord changes. The chord changes are basically the same in both parts of the song, but the tempo and the feel are different. The chords change on the 1 of each measure for the majority of the song (there are a few spots where the chords change on 1 and 3 of the measure, and the middle section is more free-form). As Andrew said, it's just a jam in the studio. Nothing fancy for the most part.
I kneel before you, sir... I thought I had discovered something special, and now I am back to square 1.
Logged
80% Of Success Is Showing Up
Andrew G. Doe
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 17767
The triumph of The Hickey Script !
Re: Shut Down according to Philip Lambert
«
Reply #19 on:
November 04, 2009, 11:46:57 AM »
Nothing wrong with a little genuflection... in moderation, of course.
Logged
The four sweetest words in my vocabulary: "This poster is ignored".
Pages:
[
1
]
Jump to:
Please select a destination:
-----------------------------
Smiley Smile Stuff
-----------------------------
=> BRIAN WILSON Q & A
=> Welcome to the Smiley Smile board
=> General On Topic Discussions
===> Ask The Honored Guests
===> Smiley Smile Reference Threads
=> Smile Sessions Box Set (2011)
=> The Beach Boys Media
=> Concert Reviews
=> Album, Book and Video Reviews And Discussions
===> 1960's Beach Boys Albums
===> 1970's Beach Boys Albums
===> 1980's Beach Boys Albums
===> 1990's Beach Boys Albums
===> 21st Century Beach Boys Albums
===> Brian Wilson Solo Albums
===> Other Solo Albums
===> Produced by or otherwise related to
===> Tribute Albums
===> DVDs and Videos
===> Book Reviews
===> 'Rank the Tracks'
===> Polls
-----------------------------
Non Smiley Smile Stuff
-----------------------------
=> General Music Discussion
=> General Entertainment Thread
=> Smiley Smilers Who Make Music
=> The Sandbox
Powered by SMF 1.1.21
|
SMF © 2015, Simple Machines
Page created in 0.164 seconds with 22 queries.
Helios Multi
design by
Bloc
Loading...